Session 17 August 2024

[Puma]

"It's a way of thinking that we don't... we hardly can fathom" said Laura. Which reminds me of that passage in the Matrix between Neo and the Architect.​

You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

I think both Trump and Harris were pawns in this cosmic chess game between the STOs and the STSs. The program change may well have involved allowing Trump to win to speed up the process. I agree with @PopHistorian​

Trump being allowed to win could have been the PTB's plan because it may somehow enable them to engineer crisis and catastrophe (thus giant steps toward overt world government) more quickly than otherwise.

Without Trump's second coming to the White House, the meteoric rise of the Technocracy with a view to a brutal control of the population would not have been possible. Trump's popularity would make it easier for citizens to accept this new digital prison world and before the great (cataclysmic) changes on Earth. Harris, with her stupidity, seems to have been set up to lose, to elect the lesser of two evils. Harris by accepting the candidacy after the "unavailability" of Biden was also part of the change of program, that masterful and Machiavellian move.

Who is going to suspect the final emergence of the Machiavellian digital prison if it comes from eminent citizens like Musk for example, who has been tasked with bureaucratic efficiency (DOGE, Department of Government Efficiency) that will undoubtedly end with the digitization of every bureaucratic procedure and through the use of a single biometric digital ID.

"By their fruits ye shall know them" the Christ is said to have said.






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Donald Trump faces a second term with a possible majority in both Houses of Congress, in addition to favor in the Supreme Court. With this set of majorities, the tycoon could quickly push through his economic, immigration and social plans, as well as freeze court cases against him.
An all-powerful Trump: what's at stake in a second term with the board in his favor?​

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Here is Trump's immigration policy detailed during his 2016 campaign.

Point number 8 has led some to question what will happen next.

Free Prince via X

“We will finally complete the Biometric Entry/Exit Visa Tracking System which we need desperately. It will be on land, sea, and air. We will have a proper tracking system.”

Comment: "watch the land sea and skies" said the Cs

To those concerned with illegal immigration, this may sound appealing. It's more dangerous than you could ever imagine.

This kind of system is a surveillance state’s dream come true—a tool of unprecedented power that makes every movement, every entry, and every exit trackable and traceable.

The danger here is the normalization of constant monitoring, where every citizen, under the guise of “safety,” becomes a data point in a sprawling digital net.

Biometric tracking is the first step toward a society where privacy is a relic of the past and freedom of movement can be restricted at the push of a button.

Today, it’s “entry and exit”; tomorrow, it’s checkpoints, facial recognition, and geofencing, with government authorities holding full control over who moves and who doesn’t.

And once these tools are embedded into everyday life, they’re nearly impossible to roll back. The terrifying truth is that a biometric system on this scale lays the groundwork for a future where you’re not just tracked but managed, where your freedom isn’t a right but a privilege granted by a system watching your every move.

You shouldn’t be lulled into compliance because this is introduced in the name of "border security" or by a figure you may support.

This system, once established, will serve whatever regime is in power, making every future leader a potential warden of a digital prison.

Trump may well be a good man with good intentions or not, but he is certainly a tool, a pawn. TPTB did not violate any law, no free will, they gave you a choice. You chose your poison.



The Cs said the WEF plans are 60% complete in the US and 80% is expected, which is likely to be achieved in the Trump administration.​

Q: (Summerlite) What percentage of the World Economic Forum plans will come to fruition in the USA?

A: 80 or thereabouts.

Q: (Summerlite) Is resistance and exposure foiling their plans?

A: Largely, but people need to suffer enough to lose their fear of action.

 

[Laurentien2]

Was thinking about the "program change" mentioned in three sessions this year, starting in March, and wanted to try and understand it better because it's not exactly clear, at least to me.

Here is what I see
Bringing more control is the goal here so what has brought more control to any country in our recent history. I will go with 911, the most spectacular false flag that permitted the manipulation of human consciousness at an enormous level for the benefit of those neocons and their pathological proxy. But even if the control system extended to the global community to some level, it was still more localised to the western world. So what the C’s seem to say here is not USA (Trump) specifically or western world but affecting the whole world, something dwarfing 911 as we can’t event imagine. Remember the goal of the 4th density is total control so let not focus on the US but instead an even that will impact to the whole world.

They told us to watch the skies and land and oceans not on war around the world as their impact are mostly localised in specific region and wouldn’t bring more control on a global scale. I see an event large enough that it would affect the whole distribution chain, food supply, economy etc... That will force the global political establishment to implement control measure to contain the following crisis. In a sense it will advance and promote an intervention on a global scale and bring to the front the U.N. and may greatly help the globalist agenda in a time of great crisis. Crisis creates opportunity and the greater it is, the greater are the chance to make these change accepted by the population (see covid) or so they thing.

Why are those change happening now or in a near future maybe connected to the new world order offered by the BRIC. The U.N. and it influence is losing its grip on entire region and is challenged by this Easter power. So time seem to be of the essence as the more they wait the greater maybe the U.N. will lose it legitimacy to be the decision center for intervention on a global crisis.

What phenomenon, earth change and natural disaster on such a scale could happen in this scenario, I don’t know but, I have no doubt that if this scenario present itself, the western new world order will try to use it for it benefice.

 

[Puma]

But even if the control system extended to the global community to some level, it was still more localised to the western world.

Yes, in Mexico, for example, measures are already being taken towards digital ID, which will bring greater control over the population. Now we can see the future situation.

Currently to perform any procedure in a government agency is necessary an official ID, usually a credential to vote known in Mexico as INE.

President Claudia Sheinbaum announced from the beginning of her administration a new measure that her government will take: the creation of a Digital Transformation Agency whose objective will be to streamline government procedures and come on, who does not want to avoid lines and waste of time ... but this is just the hook.

Thus, progressively the document that will replace the INE will be the "unique population registration key" (known in Mexico as CURP) that already exists in a simple form but that from 2025 will be digital and people will be obliged to submit their biometric data. If a person, for example, wanted to enroll in a government pension, he/she would have to have a digital CURP.

Dimitry Orlov mentioned that the coronavirus provided TPTB with absolute control: restrictions on movement, restrictions on behavior, restrictions on what companies can operate and constant medical testing and he also spoke about the emergence of the Technosphere which he defined as​

"... an emerging global intelligence that hates all life forms, likes physics and chemistry, hates anything it cannot master or control, is adept at using humans for its own ends, but is quite ready to kill them when they are no longer needed or when they get in the way, which it can easily do because its most advanced and effective technologies are its killing technologies: conventional, nuclear and chemical weapons; germ warfare; and political technologies that send people into battle."​

Orlov also told us that the Technosphere uses disasters and crises as a means of disciplining the human resources that belong to the biosphere.​

...It becomes necessary for the technosphere to periodically apply some discipline, lest the dream of endless technological progress in the service of humanity begins to look a little worn out. The way this is done is by presenting any alternative to endless progress as an unmitigated disaster: it is total control or apocalypse. There are many different varieties of apocalypse, with various comabinations of asteroids, zombies, deadly viruses, aliens, waterspouts with sharks over Los Angeles ... the list is endless."​

Thus, it seems that major Earth changes or cataclysms must coincide with the reforms of the Technocracy and its technosphere for greater emotional impact, but above all for greater acceptance, since it will be a matter of life and death.​

 

[Bluegazer]

Yeah, I think this idea of 'weight' as related to free will is the most significant. It's like there's a 'law' that free will can be violated only to the extent that the free will is limited in terms of the objectivity of the information that it's comprised of. If the information that is the substance of a person's free will is not objectively true, or only partly true, then the ability to have the free will manifest is pretty 'weak'. Conversely, if the information is objectively true (based on some higher criteria) then it holds more weight and there is a natural response to infringing it. It's possible that there's some kind of mechanism by which this must be checked before anyone goes ahead with a free will violation.

This is interesting, as it reminded me of how gravity either concentrates or disperses. Information, knowledge and gravity are the substance or at least different names for the same thing. I think that as one becomes more objective and possesses knowledge (substance) the universe will not only respond, but will side with one, and effectively manifest a reality.

 

[Kmicic]

Was thinking about the "program change" mentioned in three sessions this year, starting in March, and wanted to try and understand it better because it's not exactly clear, at least to me.

So they brought up the change themselves in March.



So initially it was said the program change was related to geopolitics in Ukraine and Russia (although possibly not ONLY related to that) and also that we should "watch the skies and land and oceans", and at that stage they threw in the idea that Trump *might* be assassinated in a way that made it look natural, although that was not necessarily related to the program change. I threw in that question about Trump because I thought that that was what the "program change" involved.

Then in April we came back to it.



So here it was stated that it was NOT related to Ukraine losing on the battlefield and instead specifically related to Israel and Trump and distracting from the negative press Israel was getting on US campuses (and elsewhere we suppose).

Then it was discussed again in July where they volunteered that the Quorum was meeting and changes were coming. Note, this was one week before the attempt on Trump's life.



So the Quorum was meeting in July to "decide the future of earth" because "more resistance is needed for balance" so more control measures need to be exerted on the population. And this was being done with the intent of creating more control but in reality it will produce (at least some) resistance and therefore balance. And that the result of creating more resistance and balance is NOT what they intended.

Most importantly, this quorum meeting related only INDIRECTLY to the program change.

Then after the attempt on Trump's life, we revisited the "program change" thing.



Most of those excerpts make it sound like the "program change" was not related to Trump's assassination but to something bigger that has yet to happen "watch the land sea and skies". They also said that the quorum meeting which was "indirectly" related to the "program change" and was to "determine the future of earth" and that more control was going to be imposed because there wasn't enough resistance for resistance. Unless, of course, the assassination fo Trump would have produced much more serious knock-on effects than we thought for the world at large. In the end, in the Aug session, they said explicitly that the program change WAS the planned assassination of Trump, so I suppose we have to take that at face value.

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

Hi Joe,
Reading your post put into perspective a book I recently read and which I partially mentioned on the forum in a thread about “Barbara Taube”. It's hard for me to say if this lady's sessions somehow present a true picture, personally I think there may be something to it. Regardless of the form in which the information is conveyed, the conclusion I came to is that STS beings rule over us on the basis of a clever salesman - they push lies on us that we want to buy from them. Their power is based on how entangled we are in these lies, but we can also break free at any time if we know how because our primordial particles coming from the Divine Cosmic Mind are far more powerful than any bonds. “Adventures” taking place in Ms. Taube's sessions are like ‘no time’ which is conducive to the concept of C's. In these sessions, it is apparent that the most important thing is the individual's awareness of what is happening and how the individual is being deceived. The energy that is within us is the battery for the STS and they only have control over it when we do what they want us to do. Perhaps so far people have been going smoothly in the direction they were pointed, but Trump himself was such a spoke in the wheel that just happened to be there. He didn't break any laws of free will, he was himself and the people themselves decided with small gestures of awareness that they wanted to support him. There was so much support that without violating free will, Trump's superconsciousness could interfere.

Probably the lower parts of the STS pyramid did their best to “whisper in the ear” what was needed, but despite how hard they tried the energy did not change. The lower rungs of STS according to Ms. Taube's sessions are rather “machinic.” The reaction came to a head when they saw that they weren't going to stop the energy, and they met for that purpose. Given that for the C's years are like a couple of minutes' walk for us, the meeting a week before the attack was like our here-and-now reaction to a burning house. They probably wanted to draw energy through politics, but since that didn't pan out they will act on something they have the most control over, i.e. natural cataclysms so as to increase the suffering of the people hence it could be “watch the skies, seas and lands.” Looking from the perspective of the book I read the power of STS is like a TV Show. When viewership drops, they have to make changes to fit in, no matter how much they want to keep the show unchanged because the only thing that should matter to them is our attention i.e. the box office of viewership in the form of suffering energy.

 

[msasa79]

Most of those excerpts make it sound like the "program change" was not related to Trump's assassination but to something bigger that has yet to happen "watch the land sea and skies". They also said that the quorum meeting which was "indirectly" related to the "program change" and was to "determine the future of earth" and that more control was going to be imposed because there wasn't enough resistance for resistance. Unless, of course, the assassination fo Trump would have produced much more serious knock-on effects than we thought for the world at large. In the end, in the Aug session, they said explicitly that the program change WAS the planned assassination of Trump, so I suppose we have to take that at face value.

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

Well, the C's didn't say explicitly that the program involved only assassination of Trump nor that it was changed only because of that, i.e. that mass violation of free will related only to Trump being assassinated. Caesar was assassinated and obviously Quorum didn't stop that mass violation of free will at that time, and the C's didn't say that Quorum intervened on behalf of Trump, but his higher self did powered by mass prayers. In a sense, these mass violations of free will in the form of assassinations 'fall' on those who actually perform the assassinations in question, by their own free will, more or less, OSIT.

Aug 17th

Q: (Joe) So, and was it just luck, let's say, that made Trump turn his head?

A: Divine intervention.

Q: (Joe) Divine intervention by Trump's higher self?

A: Yes. Powered by mass prayers. [...]


Q: (Niall) Wow! Was the attempted assassination of Trump what the C's referred to…?

(Joe) They mentioned the program change...

(Niall) And the meeting with the Quorum.

(Joe) And they talked about program change upcoming. This was like in maybe February or March. They said it was in a timescale of months. Was that [Trump's assassination attempt] the anticipated program change, and it got subverted? Or is the program change still to come?

A: Program had to be changed to avoid mass violation of free will.

Q: (Joe) So the program was the planned assassination of Trump?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And... but it was changed to avoid mass violation of free will. And who made the decision to change the program?

A: Quorum.

Q: (Joe) Right. So they had a good think about it, and thought it was a bad idea.

A: Violations of free will on that scale are similar to violations of gravity in your realm.

Mentioning of Ukraine in the first reference to the program change, reminded me on the situation about Flight 370 disappearance.

Q: (L) You mean they had plans to be more aggressive and “in-their-faces”, and they... (Perceval) Why would the disappearance of the plane make them scared or make them back down? Was it "comedown", was that what was said? Like a retreat. So, basically the PTB backed down on Crimea and Russia and that whole situation because the plane disappeared and they were worried about...? (Pierre) So, if you lie too much, if you create too much chaos, like unjustified war, you might increase such a bleedthrough?

A: They have "advisors" and "interpretors" of such things.

....

Q: (L) I mean, we would all like to think that there would be some high and mighty power in the world that would tell the psychopaths, "Oh, if you keep creating chaos, you're gonna screw things up! You're a bad boy!" But that's not likely to happen because it would just be, ya know... (Perceval) You get into the idea of different levels of power here. People are doing the whole overt Crimea thing. And they have advisors and maybe they suspect that there's a higher power like the ones that blew up the Columbia space shuttle for Bush and stuff. They ascribe this plane incident to "them", and interpret it in some way like, "Let's back off" kind of thing. Like the way they alluded to this idea that there is a higher power that has vast technology and can influence the American government and its policies for example by sending a warning... So maybe the ones who take note of these things looked at this plane and said, "Maybe this is some kind of message to us."

A: There is likely to be a bit of interdimensional blackmail going on. How likely do you think it is for the "reality creating" US PTB to back down from their natural state of being the world's biggest bully?

Q: (Pierre) Why did those higher entities want the PTB to back down concerning Crimea and Russia?

A: They understand what the consequences are.

Q: (Perceval) So their whole thing is all about control... nuclear or global war, and that's the end of it. They've always wanted to control things and squeeze the people even tighter. (L) Well, the only thing that ever scares or stops a psychopath is a bigger psychopath. Um, I just have the feeling that somehow MOSSAD is involved in all of this business, like maybe even this plane thing. It's just too, um...

A: Maybe they live up to their motto?

Q: (L) "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." So that would suggest that, at some level, MOSSAD is involved with these advisors or interpreters, or somehow... (Perceval) They've said in the past that MOSSAD is near the top of the hierarchy. (L) So, at the top of MOSSAD, there's the interface with the hyperdimensional STS beings, more or less.

A: Yes.

And then later that year MH17 was shot down over Ukraine, which was linked to MOSSAD and put in relation to Flight 370.

Q: (L) Okay. We're going to change topics here. As you know, we just had this plane fall out of the sky over the Ukraine. Immediately the US blamed Russia, and then it started blaming the Russian-aided freedom fighters in East Ukraine. Meanwhile, the Russians say it was clearly the Ukrainians in conjunction with US/NATO/UK/Whoever. So, I guess the first thing we ought to ask is: What brought the plane down?

A: [Spiraling] Bomb on the plane placed there prior to departure.

Q: (Pierre) Schiphol airport, again! The famous Underwear Bomber place! So, MOSSAD?

(L) Who was involved?

A: Note change in altitude for "signature".

Q: (Perceval) From 35 to 33...

(L) 33. Is 33 the clue?

A: Yes. Consortium. And who is at the top of this STS pyramid??

Q: (Perceval) Figures.

(L) Who is at the top of this pyramid? And who is at the top?

(Perceval) MOSSAD.

(L) MOSSAD? The Israelis?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) It seems the goal was to further demonize Putin and Russia. But was it also to distract from what's happening in Palestine?

A: Absolutely!

Q: (Pierre) Is it only coincidence... before MH 17, there was MH 370, this plane that disappeared from the same company. Is it just coincidence that the two incidents involve the same airline company?

A: Another "signature".

Q: (Data) Why did the plane deviate from its usual course?

A: Instructed by ATC.

Q: (Perceval) Air traffic control at Schiphol?

A: Kiev.

Q: (Perceval) So, some agent...

(L) There was some control by MOSSAD in Kiev, and that whole Nazi business going on there...

(Kniall) They've been there for DECADES!

A: Yes!

Q: (L) I think that was answering Kniall there.

(Data) Why was it necessary to change the course with a bomb on board?

(L) So it would fall where it did. They had to change the course to put it in the middle of the war zone.

(Ark) The Russians were saying that the timing was a little bit miscalculated because it was supposed to come down closer to the Russian territory so that it would be easier to blame Russia.

A: Yes.

Q: (Pierre) It exploded too early.

(L) Yeah, they're so lazy, they never get anything perfect.

(Chu) Or too impatient.

A: But most people are so gullible it doesn't matter.

Q: (Perceval) You can say that again.

(Kniall) Another signature. That suggests some planning at a level behind the first Malaysian plane...

(L) No it doesn't. It's just like answering back to what happened to that first one.

(Pierre) It's like, "They removed the 370, so we'll bring down the 17!"

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Which is really screwed up when you think about it. The signal is strong, ya know? Okay, we make MH 370 disappear. And the only answer they have instead of behaving better is, "Okay, we bring down MH 17, and we increase even more the lies and suffering!"

(Perceval) So these signatures are used for what? Just for fun? For whose benefit?

A: Pride, hubris, warnings to those who know.

Q: (Chu) On the session when we talked about the interpreters and stuff, the plane {that disappeared, Flight 370}, if I understood correctly, was a message...

(L) It was a warning...

(Chu) To not go too far.

(L) And they've basically answered by saying, "Up yours!"

A: Yes.

....

(L) Well, let me ask this: 20 years ago, on 3rd December 1994, you gave a series of short little prophecies. Being so long ago, they kind of hit to the side, but one of the first was, "Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear". The second one was: "Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military." And those two were juxtaposed next to each other, and there was a semicolon and period, and then the next sequence began. The next sequence was a series of earthquakes in California, destruction of California, Mount Lassen, several other volcanoes along the west coast of the US erupting, the sea floor subsiding, and so forth.

{3 Dec 1994: Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. “Time” is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside.

Getting to my question: Was that “Hawaii crash” a reference to what has happened here recently, like for example with MH 370 and MH 17? Even though the original was Hawaii, I would say Malaysia is in the Pacific more or less, so it's kind of sideways... Was that a reference to these events, even that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (Perceval) So that was seen that far in advance as a marker, as a major event. There's been a lot of stuff that has happened since then that they didn't mention. So, why did that one stand out 20 years ago? Why did this event stand out so strongly? Are we all screwed?

A: Interpretation is key. The elements here are metaphoric. That far in advance it can only be approximate. However, note the confluence of major elements in terms of similarity.

Q: (L) So, Ukraine obviously has been known in advance as a flashpoint, and there is some awareness of... Could it be said that these sorts of things were already in the minds of some planners that far in advance?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, they change or shift their plans...

(Perceval) When you say planners...

(L) Do you mean human planners?

A: And 4D STS.

Q: (Perceval) The ones who jump around in time and stuff.

(L) So they change things to confuse things. Well, they once said something about how they can change things. They specifically said something about that: moving back and forth in time.

{7 Jan 1996: The forces at work here are far too clever to be accurately anticipated so easily. You never know what twists and turns will follow, and they are aware of prophetic and philosophical patternings and usually shift course to fool and discourage those who believe in fixed futures.}

It might be a bit of a stretch, but all this together brings an association to mind that the whole "program change" business, in relation to "watch the land sea and skies", and Israel doing its job in getting as many 'true Semites' checking out as possible, might also be related to "aliens coming back to Earth as long forgotten human brethren", where if Trump was assassinated the situation in the US could have turned into violent conflict within the country and possibly thwarted the plans for their "homecoming as our saviors". And if they would not be 'accepted' by human population at large, enforcing their control against the free will of majority of humanity would indeed be a huge mass violation of free will on the planetary or even cosmic scale.
Well, just some thoughts on this "complex and complicated" matter.

 

[ryu]

Was thinking about the "program change" mentioned in three sessions this year, starting in March, and wanted to try and understand it better because it's not exactly clear, at least to me.

So they brought up the change themselves in March.



So initially it was said the program change was related to geopolitics in Ukraine and Russia (although possibly not ONLY related to that) and also that we should "watch the skies and land and oceans", and at that stage they threw in the idea that Trump *might* be assassinated in a way that made it look natural, although that was not necessarily related to the program change. I threw in that question about Trump because I thought that that was what the "program change" involved.

Then in April we came back to it.



So here it was stated that it was NOT related to Ukraine losing on the battlefield and instead specifically related to Israel and Trump and distracting from the negative press Israel was getting on US campuses (and elsewhere we suppose).

Then it was discussed again in July where they volunteered that the Quorum was meeting and changes were coming. Note, this was one week before the attempt on Trump's life.



So the Quorum was meeting in July to "decide the future of earth" because "more resistance is needed for balance" so more control measures need to be exerted on the population. And this was being done with the intent of creating more control but in reality it will produce (at least some) resistance and therefore balance. And that the result of creating more resistance and balance is NOT what they intended.

Most importantly, this quorum meeting related only INDIRECTLY to the program change.

Then after the attempt on Trump's life, we revisited the "program change" thing.



Most of those excerpts make it sound like the "program change" was not related to Trump's assassination but to something bigger that has yet to happen "watch the land sea and skies". They also said that the quorum meeting which was "indirectly" related to the "program change" and was to "determine the future of earth" and that more control was going to be imposed because there wasn't enough resistance for resistance. Unless, of course, the assassination fo Trump would have produced much more serious knock-on effects than we thought for the world at large. In the end, in the Aug session, they said explicitly that the program change WAS the planned assassination of Trump, so I suppose we have to take that at face value.

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

I concur with those who believe Trump's elections will create more resistance from the american populace. A good chunk of the US sees Trump as their champion. Where there was apathy and resignation, there is now hope for the future.
We will see how it goes, but seeing the Deep State trying go stop the new administration will probably create much more resistance than it previously had. Also, if the Cs predictions are still correct, we should have at least a new scamdemic, economic turmoil and more revelations about UFOs during Trump's administration. Him being down to earth may help people not falling for the traps being set and fare better.

 

[ELT]

Dimitry Orlov mentioned that the coronavirus provided TPTB with absolute control: restrictions on movement, restrictions on behavior, restrictions on what companies can operate and constant medical testing and he also spoke about the emergence of the Technosphere which he defined as

My first thought was that if we think about us possibly being in a giant mice experiment run by 4D STS, it would certainly be very easy for them to already detain all those metrics of ours ; see the alien abduction narrative.
Hence, it would highlight the uselessness of the 3D PTD intents, if not to get their own piece of the "control cake".

However, I remembered about the inability for 4D STS to enter 3D for so long, which makes it look like a definite border over which they do have control, but within which still remains some form of free will.
What imports is indeed that the 3D PTB tries to implement control  in the control system, reducing that already restricted free-will of ours.

My point is that I'd tend not to worry too much about the importance of my personal data per se, but more about the control they can pull from it. It may lead to the same end, sorry for the noise, but the distinction refocused the energy on the right target, and kind of brought some piece of mind in me, somehow.

 

[Joe]

and the C's didn't say that Quorum intervened on behalf of Trump, but his higher self did powered by mass prayers

But they did also say that the quorum made the decision to change the program, and that the program WAS the assassination of Trump. That's what makes it a bit confusing.

 

[Altair]

But they did also say that the quorum made the decision to change the program, and that the program WAS the assassination of Trump. That's what makes it a bit confusing.

I understood like this: Quorum changes it's own programm (which was assassination of Trump) by not preventing Trump's higher self to intervene on his behalf. They knew his higher self would try to intervene anyway (due to massive support of people) and just let it happen by not taking any countermeasures.

 

[Wandering Star]

Quorum changes it's own programm

A program does not necessarily have to be planned by the Quorum.

There are powers (people) who wanted to carry out that program.

The Quorum met and decided that the program that these people were going to implement was too serious an infringement on free will.

Msasa79 mention the assassination of Julius Caesar and that it was allowed.

I suppose that at the Quorum level they see and know a few things more than we do.

 

[Wandering Star]

Msasa79 mention the assassination of Julius Caesar and that it was allowed.

And I have thought that the development of the legend of Jesus as a result of the assassination of Caesar may have favoured a learning process for the STS and STO sides, which perhaps would not have existed in such intensity if the event had been prevented.

For example.

 

[msasa79]

But they did also say that the quorum made the decision to change the program, and that the program WAS the assassination of Trump. That's what makes it a bit confusing.

You can say that again. In my case it makes it even a bit more than just a "bit confusing".

I understood like this: Quorum changes it's own programm (which was assassination of Trump) by not preventing Trump's higher self to intervene on his behalf. They knew his higher self would try to intervene anyway (due to massive support of people) and just let it happen by not taking any countermeasures.

Something like that was on my mind before, but I think there might be more to it.
It seems one thing is to 'convince' and manipulate somebody in doing something like pulling the trigger, in which case the manipulators would not be exactly breaking the free will of anybody per se, but it would be another case completely if those with know-how 'took a possession' of an OP for example (or greenbaumed the person against her own free will) and used the person as a means for accomplishing their desired deed. Changing the original plan to assassinate Trump might have also included 'releasing' Crooks from their string-pulling, leaving him on his own to proceed with the 'plan', removing the 'cloak' so that he was seen by a lot of people around that building roof which created additional pressure on him to 'hastily' do what he was intended to do, and making the 'cover teams' in the room below and building behind 'stand down'. If Crooks was a real professional and took into account the bullet trajectory elevation and shifting due to wind that day, and with other mentioned stuff, I honestly doubt that just moving the head slightly, as 'suggested' by his higher self, would have saved Trump from going down the JFK route.

Msasa79 mention the assassination of Julius Caesar and that it was allowed.

I suppose that at the Quorum level they see and know a few things more than we do.

JC was assassinated by multiple people, with high probability that at least some of them were souled humans who acted like that based on their own free will choice (regardless of being manipulated or not). If that was the case, it was not actually infringement of free will by higher density beings, but by those who in hard core 3d reality inflicted those 13 wounds. OSIT.

 

[msasa79]

JC was assassinated by multiple people, with high probability that at least some of them were souled humans who acted like that based on their own free will choice (regardless of being manipulated or not). If that was the case, it was not actually infringement of free will by higher density beings, but by those who in hard core 3d reality inflicted those 13 wounds. OSIT.

Correction (by AI):

Caesar wounds​

According to historical accounts and archaeological findings, Julius Caesar was stabbed 23 times during his assassination on the Ides of March (March 15) in 44 BC. Here’s a breakdown of the wounds:

1. Initial Wounds: The first few wounds were inflicted by Publius Servilius Casca, who struck Caesar’s shoulder and neck. Caesar, surprised and enraged, caught Casca’s arm and threw him away.
2. Fatal Wound: The second wound, inflicted by Gaius Servilius Casca’s brother, Publius, was between the ribs, which ultimately proved fatal. This wound caused significant internal bleeding, contributing to Caesar’s demise.
3. Multiple Stab Wounds: The remaining 21 wounds were inflicted by other conspirators, including Brutus, Cassius, and Decimus Brutus Albinus. These wounds were scattered across Caesar’s body, including his face, back, thigh, and groin.
4. Autopsy Report: The earliest known post-mortem report, attributed to a physician, concluded that Caesar’s death was mostly due to blood loss from his stab wounds. Only one wound, the second one to his ribs, was considered potentially fatal on its own.

Notable Contradictions and Debates​

1. Number of Wounds: While most sources agree on 23 wounds, some accounts vary, with Plutarch mentioning 24 wounds and Suetonius reporting 27.
2. Fatal Wound: There is debate about which wound was the actual cause of death. Some argue it was the first wound to the neck, while others believe it was the second wound to the ribs.
3. Sequence of Events: The exact sequence of events during the assassination is disputed among ancient sources, making it challenging to reconstruct a precise timeline.

 

[irjO]

Anyway, the whole thing left me wondering how such a supposedly high level group could have planned the assassination of Trump without realizing it would be a forbidden infringement of free will and therefore a no go and, as a result, give Trump a massive boost that essentially won him the election by a large margin. I know 'wishful thinking gets ya every time' but this one was a doozie that essentially got them the exact opposite of what they intended, and according to the Cs, the quorum themselves had to make the decision to not assassinate Trump, yet they obviously didn't actually pull the plug on the attempt because the attempt went ahead. Maybe an answer to this confusing matter is that one part of the quorum wanted to go ahead but another put the kabosh on it by manipulating Trump to move his head at the right time? Who knows. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

From our last session, it came to my mind the image of the Quorum being sort of like a big consul, like in the Star Wars movies where the councils of each planet or galaxy sector come together forming a “senate”. Of course, it just a basic vague idea, the real one would be more in an unknown 4D environment and not necessarily each planet having a specific representation, with chairs in a big building etc, but you get the idea.
It seems it’s like a consul compose by majority STO beings and a minority of STS beings, that discuss plans and information guided by 6th STO density beings, with the whole mission of protecting one of the big universal core structure: Balance.
Maybe on their meetings they plan things not just about earth but the entire galaxy sector perhaps? To maintain this rule across. Now, the same way we are STS beings talking to STO 6th density beings, could be the same for that minority STS in 4D being part of that consul.
They could agree and disagree on some subjects, or even have passioned debates on many topics I would assume, but always with a final consensus that can either affect us in a negative way or positive way and they would present it to 6th density to either validate it, find another more viable way or re-work on the plans.

For example, perhaps the idea of Kantek being terminated or facilitate the path of its termination, came from this Quorum because of the huge imbalance of that planet.

Yes, this all is speculations and might sound basic thinking, there could be more to it I’m sure, but so far, that is the general idea I gathered on how they could explain how they decide on things.