Session 18 November 1995

Laura

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November 18, 1995
Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan

This is another session that is far more interesting in retrospect, after 9-11-01 when all of the elements discussed herein appear to have come into play. Plus, I would suggest that the direction this session took was triggered by the words “terrorist bombings”.


Q: (L) Hello.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us?

A: Rindr.

Q: (L) And where are you from?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) We have several questions... are we ready?

A: Certainly.

Q: (L) Is there any relationship between all of the terrorist bombings that have been taking place in Paris recently, and any stepped up alien activity?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there anything we can obtain on that subject by formulation of correct questions?

A: USAir-194 crash; United Air crash, Colorado Springs; Connection? Get voice recorder tape transcripts.

Q: (L) Is this in some way related to the question about the Paris bombing?

A: No.

Q: (T) This is related to what they were talking about last week, the bases turning 4th density, a plane flew into it and crashed.

A: Assumption! Strobe lights are used for 3rd density mind control.

Q: (L) Strobe lights located where?

A: Not a question asked with much thought!

Q: (L) You are right. I was just trying to open the subject. (T) What does strobe lights used for mind control have to do with the air crash?

A: Just let it flow. As you will see, past sessions of this nature have yielded best results for you. We have picked up your thought waves, which are progress oriented, and are trying to assist you in your increased learning and progress frequency wave. You see, this increases the energy level!!

Q: (L) Okay. We will just let it flow, then.

A: It is advisable to ask questions, but be unconcerned with the nature or content of the answers beforehand.

Q: (L) Do you wish us to go back to the statement about strobe lights being used to control minds, and pick up and go from there?

A: Best not to continuously ask us for advice on how to ask the questions, or if this or that is okay, but rather just "shoot from the hip."

Q: (L) Okay. You mentioned the strobe lights. Are these strobe lights that are used to control minds, are these something that we would or might come in contact with on a daily basis?

A: Do you not already know? We didn't say: some strobe lights, we said: strobe lights, i.e. all inclusive!

Q: (T) Strobe lights come in many forms and types. TV is a strobe light. Computer screens are a strobe light. Light bulbs strobe. Fluorescents strobe. Streetlights strobe.

A: Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks... How long has this been true? Have you noticed any changes lately??!!??

Q: (F) Twenty years ago there were no strobe lights on any of those vehicles mentioned. They had the old flasher type lights. Now, more and more and more there are strobe lights appearing in all kinds of places. (L) And now, they even have them on school buses! (T) And the regular city buses have them too, now. (L) Okay, is the strobing of a strobe light, set at a certain frequency in order to do certain things?

A: Hypnotic opener.

Q: (L) Can we say that this is something we are being acclimated to, so that other things that happen to us in terms of our interactions... it just keeps one in a continual state of hypnosis?

A: Assumptions restrict the flow!

Q: (L) What is the purpose of the hypnotic opener being used in this way?

A: You don't notice the craft.

Q: (L) Ohhhhhhhh! So we may be being continuously flown over by alien craft...

A: Assumption!

Q: (L) Sorry! (T) Okay, we don't notice the craft because we see the strobes. They are hypnotic openers and are inducing a hypnotic effect...

A: Assumption!

Q: (T) Okay, continue, then.

A: Well, ask a question, then!

Q: (L) Okay, they are telling us not to assume, but to ask. (T) Okay, what craft are we NOT seeing?

A: Opener. Is precursor to suggestion, which is auditory in nature.

Q: (T) What suggestion?

A: Put on your thinking caps. Networking is not making assumptions. Bold unilateral statement of "fact" is.

Q: (T) Oh. Phrase your statements in the form of a question! I'd like "Hypnotic Openers" for $200, Alex! Cosmic Jeopardy! (L) Okay, you said the "suggestion is auditory in nature." If this is the case, where is the suggestion coming from auditorily?

A: Where do you normally receive auditory suggestions from?

Q: (L) Radio, television... (T) Telephone... (L) Is that what we are talking about?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If you encounter a strobe while driving, or you are sitting in front of your television, then the suggestions can be put into you better because of this hypnotically opened state? Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What are these suggestions designed to do, to suggest? In a general sense?

A: Review.

Q: (L) Not see the craft?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Do we get these signals from the radio in the car even if it is turned off?

A: Depends upon whether or not there is another source.

Q: (T) Another source such as?

A: ELP, for example.

Q: (L) What is "ELP?"

A: Extremely Low Pulse.

Q: (T) ELF, Extremely Low Frequency, and ELP, Extremely Low Pulse - is this the same thing?

A: Sometimes.

Q: (T) This would be an external pulse or frequency?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Would it be originating from the source of the strobe?

A: No. They act in unison.

Q: (T) Two separate sources acting in unison?

A: Close.

Q: (L) And this process prevents us from seeing something, such as craft flying in our skies at any given time?

A: Or maybe see them as something else.

Q: (L) Now, we have to stop for a minute because I want to tell you something. In the past few months, I have really been watching the sky carefully every opportunity I get. On 3 or 4 separate occasions I have seen what I thought was an ordinary airplane, and I would watch it carefully and then scan to the left or right, and when I looked back at the place where this plane should be, based on observable speed and direction, there would be NOTHING there. I have stood there and searched and searched and found nothing. These things just VANISHED. I knew I had seen it, I knew I wasn't crazy, I knew it couldn't have gone away that completely - and having it happen several times has just really unsettled me. What are the implications of this, other than the fact that we could be completely overflown at all times for any number of purposes and be, as a mass of people, completely unaware of it?

A: Yes, monoatomic gold!

Q: (L) And what does the reference to monoatomic gold mean?

A: Total entrapment of the being, mind, body and soul.

Q: (T) That's what Hudson said... on the video.

A: Strobes use minute gold filament.

Q: (L) How can that compare with taking monoatomic gold internally?

A: What composes minute filament, do you suppose? Hint, it ain't from Fort Knox!

Q: (T) Monoatomic gold.

A: Bingo. You see, this has extraordinary properties.

Q: (T) I'm sure it does! The thing is, if it does what Hudson says it does, the power structure would have shut him down - he wouldn't have gotten this far with it. So, if they are letting him do it, it's because it doesn't do what he says it does, it does the opposite. Which is what he said. When you take the stuff for so many days, you complete the program, it restructures your genes. Isn't that what happened to us before? Do we want to do it again? (L) And, wasn't it said that LIGHT was used to cancel certain DNA factors? (J) Exactly! (L) Okay, how do we block this kind of control?

A: You don't.

Q: (L) Let me ask this, Chuck D volunteered to act as my bodyguard and went with me to do the lecture down in St. Petersburg last night. He asked an interesting question. It was, if we know what he thinks we know, and if we are building the kind of strength that he thinks we are building, and getting factual information about all such things, why hasn't somebody, either on 3rd density or 4th density, seen fit to stop us, or block us, or whatever. Of course, I did explain to him the level of attack and obfuscation and many other things we have had to face... but, in another sense he was asking very plainly why has something physical not been done to, as he put it, "take us out?"

A: The powers that be want slow release of information.

Q: (L) Does this include the 4th density STS?

A: No, but they don't see that which they do not wish to see.

Q: (L) They don't see us as a threat?

A: More like an annoyance. By the way, why is not Chuck more participatory???

Q: (L) Is that a rhetorical question? Or, are you asking me?

A: Either, or.

Q: (L) Chuck is very curious. But, why don't you tell us?

A: Be more direct in your informational campaign, Laura, rather than trying to stimulate reactions by way of roundabout actions and statements.

Q: (L) Are you saying I should be more direct with Chuck, specifically?

A: Direct appeals always work much better, but you have a fear based aversion to them, which is related to early childhood interactions with your mother. We are trying to aid you with a bit of insight to assist you in your progress.

[break]

Q: (L) Okay, I want to ask about the experience I had the other night - are you still there?

A: Why do you always ask that, do you expect us to take a coffee break?

Q: (L) Okay, I had what seemed to be an OBE the other night. Was I actually having one?

A: Was an "all intensive ooze" of the solar realm.

Q: (L) What? (T) You asked! (F) Well, now THAT'S completely clear! (L) Sarcasm will get you nowhere, guys! (T) That's about as clear as ooze! (L) Okay, what is an "all intensive ooze" of the solar realm?

A: Realms are compartmentalized at graduated levels, like everything else. The root basis of the study of Astrology is the "unified entity realm," which relates to the effect that local cosmic bodies have upon the body and soul of third density beings in any given locator.

Q: (L) So, what does this mean in terms of what I experienced? I felt that I was moving in and out of my body over and over, sort of like doing an exercise.

A: Solar activity occurring when your experience took place was such that, based on your "solar return," had the effect of partially separating your soul from your body. Now, just for fun, why not check your chart for that day, and see if the aspects were a little more favorable for expiration of the body potential than usual?

Q: (L) Now that I have been able to play with it a little, will I experience it again, or can I?

A: Well, it is always experienced at least once in the lifetime of a human being, but for most people, it occurs at the conclusion.

Q: [much laughter] (L) You mean I died? Or was this what people experience when they die?

A: Yes, but you got to come back in time for dinner!

Q: (F) I guess that's mirth! (L) So, that wasn't just an OBE, it was a separation of the soul from the body? Is that the same as astral projection?

A: No.

Q: (L) Do people who have OBE's experience this?

A: With "astal projection" the consciousness level is not as intense because of "the silver cord" and the shroud of third density awareness.

Q: (L) You guys just don't know how intense this experience was. I was SO conscious of EVERYTHING. (T) More conscious than you have ever been before, right? (L) I have to say yes. I was playing with what was happening to me and having fun. I noticed every little sensation. The separating from the body produces a sizzling sound, a sort of electrical sizzle, and it changes as you move in and out of the body. I knew what I was doing. (T) In astral projection, the soul is still connected to the body. In this case, was Laura's soul completely separated from her physical body?

A: Not completely, but the part that was, was.

Q: (L) Well, I did sort of keep a toe in. (T) This is almost the same thing that Dannion Brinkley described in his book. So, if Laura had lost complete connection, would she have died at this point?

A: Yes.

[break]

Q: (L) I had a safari dream. I dreamed we all went to Africa, and I got some information there, something was given to me, and I put it in my pocket on the right side. And then, just a few days later I had the experience where I felt a danger, something probing in the direction of my mind, and a protective device shot up out of my lower right abdomen, like a rocket. And the next day, I noticed a small, deep, wound at that spot. What was this?

A: Energy surge.

Q: (L) Why out of the area of the ovary?

A: Magnetic plane weakness there.

Q: (L) So, is it beneficial to be able to do this.

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Is this something I learned in this dream, that we can all learn to do in some way?

A: No need.

Q: (L) Well, it seems that having the body automatically erect defenses when a threat is felt is a pretty handy talent to have.

A: Sure, in 4th density.

Q: (L) Was this a 4th density action, or ability?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Did something actually exit my body and leave that wound?

A: Already answered.

Q: (L) Okay, it was an energy surge. Did this energy surge leave a wound in my body?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where did the energy surge emanate from?

A: Learn naturally as you evolve. Good Night

End of Session
 

mrtn

Dagobah Resident
i just want to link that recent SOTT article here, because it seems to be related to 'strobe light' mentioned in the session:

english article: "Mind control lasers turn mice into killer rodents with the flip of a switch":
https://www.sott.net/article/339509-Mind-control-lasers-turn-mice-into-killer-rodents-with-the-flip-of-a-switch

german article: "Zu welchem Zweck? Forscher lösen mit Laser gezielt "Killer-Instinkt" bei Mäusen aus"
https://de.sott.net/article/27728-Zu-welchem-Zweck-Forscher-losen-mit-Laser-gezielt-Killer-Instinkt-bei-Mausen-aus

the scary thing is it looks rather plain and simple, though maybe drugs are involved and those mice probably never had a natural life etc.

here is another read:
"Nonvisual photoreceptors of the deep brain, pineal organs and retina."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11962759
 

Lathyrus

Padawan Learner
Q: (T) This is related to what they were talking about last week, the bases turning 4th density, a plane flew into it and crashed.

A: Assumption! Strobe lights are used for 3rd density mind control.

[...]
Q: (L) Okay. You mentioned the strobe lights. Are these strobe lights that are used to control minds, are these something that we would or might come in contact with on a daily basis?

A: Do you not already know? We didn't say: some strobe lights, we said: strobe lights, i.e. all inclusive!

Q: (T) Strobe lights come in many forms and types. TV is a strobe light. Computer screens are a strobe light. Light bulbs strobe. Fluorescents strobe. Streetlights strobe.

A: Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks... How long has this been true? Have you noticed any changes lately??!!??

Q: (F) Twenty years ago there were no strobe lights on any of those vehicles mentioned. They had the old flasher type lights. Now, more and more and more there are strobe lights appearing in all kinds of places. (L) And now, they even have them on school buses! (T) And the regular city buses have them too, now. (L) Okay, is the strobing of a strobe light, set at a certain frequency in order to do certain things?

A: Hypnotic opener.

[...]
Q: (L) What is the purpose of the hypnotic opener being used in this way?

A: You don't notice the craft.

[...]
Q: (L) Okay, they are telling us not to assume, but to ask. (T) Okay, what craft are we NOT seeing?

A: Opener. Is precursor to suggestion, which is auditory in nature.

[...]
Q: (L) If you encounter a strobe while driving, or you are sitting in front of your television, then the suggestions can be put into you better because of this hypnotically opened state? Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What are these suggestions designed to do, to suggest? In a general sense?

A: Review.

Q: (L) Not see the craft?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Do we get these signals from the radio in the car even if it is turned off?

A: Depends upon whether or not there is another source.

Q: (T) Another source such as?

A: ELP, for example.

[...]
Q: (L) And this process prevents us from seeing something, such as craft flying in our skies at any given time?

A: Or maybe see them as something else.

About these comments on the use of strobe lights making us either not see anomalous flying craft or making us see them as something else more ordinary, I had read a couple things recently that make me think about the rather concerning power of hypnosis. The first comes from the reported contacts of Billy Meier; I was skimming this document when I'd gone over a section where it said that, if "Semjase" were milling about in the human world, Billy wanted to know what she would do in the event that she were stopped by some authority figure for her (nonexistent) identity papers. On that subject, she had this to say:

The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Contact Report 031
Billy:
That was quick, however we have the so-called police, who often for whatever whim, will check on people. How will it be, if someone asks for your identity papers?

Semjase:
25. You have many questions, but don't worry about it.
26. We don't have identity papers of your kind, because we don't need such things in that form.
27. Should it happen however, that we get asked for such documents, then we are able to adjust this by influencing thoughts.
28. This adjusting takes place through the power of our thoughts, by which a mock appearance is created for the concerned questioner and information from actual persons of your world are simulated for him/her.
29. An eventual police officer, etc., would thereby get the impression that he/she had some documents in hand, etc., and that he/she was verifying them.

Billy:
That is deceit, Semjase.

Semjase:
30. No, it deals only with the creation of a hallucination, if you want to call it that.

It's rather funny in the way that she puts it, but it seems to basically amount to a sort of 'Jedi mind trick' in the end, using a telepathic power or something similar to induce the subject to see certain specific things. I'm not sure how STO this is exactly, but I imagine it could at the very least be justified as being for a good purpose, I suppose.

The second account comes from a very sketchy document that some on here probably already know about called "the Lacerta Files", which recounts the purported interactions between some guy in Sweden and a female reptilian going by the name of "Lacerta". In it, this er, creature makes various claims about various subjects that, in the event that this document is not a forgery of some kind, are very spurious at best IMO. However, there is one thing relevant that pops out here in respect to this hypnosis topic, which is the manner in which this creature is able to move about in the human world undetected. There are various comments spanning the document here relating to it, but I will try to keep things brief:
When we are on the surface and we meet human beings (even a large group of them - this makes no difference. All of your minds are like one mind) we are able to "touch" their mind and induce them via telepathy the command "See us as one of your kind" and the weak human mind will accept this order without re-fusion and they will see us (despite our reptilian look) as normal humans.

I've done this many times and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-haired woman, because I have created this special "mimicry image" in my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without problems. I've needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of the mimicry correctly, but then it worked nearly automatically and I can even walk among a group of yours and nobody will recognize what I am.

There is a simple switch ("See us as we really are / See us as we want you to see us") in your consciousness which was placed there from the "Illojim" when they created your kind and we can use this switch to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens use this switch, too).

It is easier as you think. When there are meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings with man-like aliens can be also explained with meetings with my kind.)

When I met E.F. the first time, he saw me also as a normal human woman and I remember that he was very frightened and shocked when I revealed him my real appearance.​
(I'm not sure what the copyright status is like on the Files, so I've decided not to link them.)

The main distortion here is, aside from the general theme of ambiguous benign-ness and un-involvement of the lizard beings, that of the "Illojim" (which I presume are meant to be like the "creator gods" of human beings) doing this or that which it tends to phrase in withering terms. But, we find basically the same type of idea as expressed in the Semjase account, where this creature is able to interact with the mind of the human being (here describing it as a sort of "switch") and thus change the manner in which it is perceived. So, it is apparently a common enough thing, that beings like this can do this kind of operation, which (if they are both true) would lend credence to the idea suggested by the C's that a similar thing or an effect of similar magnitude is happening to us as well involving things like strobe lights and hypnotic inductions.

The fact that we see the same thing recurring in multiple, independent places is what tends to indicate the veracity of this idea here, that's what I'm intending to get at. Those are my thoughts on the subject.



This is almost totally unrelated to the above, but about the comments in this session about monoatomic gold being used for the "Total entrapment of the being, mind, body and soul", I had an idea. This is kind of a brain fart but I was thinking like, in symbolic terms, this was significant due to the fact that in more ordinary conditions, "gold" as in the sense of the rampant pursuit of material wealth leads to the "total entrapment" of the soul into the dark systems of our world. So, the use of monoatomic gold as a filament in these technologies has kind of a symbolic connection to this sentiment in the ways that it otherwise "entraps the being".

Uh, does that make any sense? Anyone get what I'm getting at?? Maybe not, but I'm just thinking aloud, haha.
 

taratai

Padawan Learner
About these comments on the use of strobe lights making us either not see anomalous flying craft or making us see them as something else more ordinary, I had read a couple things recently that make me think about the rather concerning power of hypnosis.
I'm not so sure this "craft" was supposed to mean a flying craft. To me, it was more like craft, as in, craftsmanship. Thus, we don't notice the craft (of being manipulated).

But then, i do think that in those early sessions, Laura had a tendency to.. obsess?... about certain things and keywords, so the conversations were sometimes going in circles. :P

This is almost totally unrelated to the above, but about the comments in this session about monoatomic gold being used for the "Total entrapment of the being, mind, body and soul", I had an idea. This is kind of a brain fart but I was thinking like, in symbolic terms, this was significant due to the fact that in more ordinary conditions, "gold" as in the sense of the rampant pursuit of material wealth leads to the "total entrapment" of the soul into the dark systems of our world. So, the use of monoatomic gold as a filament in these technologies has kind of a symbolic connection to this sentiment in the ways that it otherwise "entraps the being".
I'm sure the symbolic is part of the issue, but definitely not the only thing. Humans use gold in electronics for a reason, and that reason might be why it is sought so much on 4th density. We simply do not understand why gold has such high conductivity and resistance to chemicals, while it might be all apparent to the entities on that level. Perhaps it comes with other drawbacks, just like electronics use blue light because it uses less energy, but it also makes us sleepless (and suffer more, thus, make us better food).

Also, it might be simply that we were made to crave gold so much because it makes us hoard it, so then it is easier to take all at once when it's needed.
 

Lathyrus

Padawan Learner
I'm not so sure this "craft" was supposed to mean a flying craft. To me, it was more like craft, as in, craftsmanship. Thus, we don't notice the craft (of being manipulated).

But then, i do think that in those early sessions, Laura had a tendency to.. obsess?... about certain things and keywords, so the conversations were sometimes going in circles. :P

Well, that is definitely true and an interesting interpretation of the term, but I do think they were specifically talking about the flying variety here. The questions revolve around them in any case.

Q: (L) And this process prevents us from seeing something, such as craft flying in our skies at any given time?

A: Or maybe see them as something else.

I'm sure the symbolic is part of the issue, but definitely not the only thing. Humans use gold in electronics for a reason, and that reason might be why it is sought so much on 4th density. We simply do not understand why gold has such high conductivity and resistance to chemicals, while it might be all apparent to the entities on that level. Perhaps it comes with other drawbacks, just like electronics use blue light because it uses less energy, but it also makes us sleepless (and suffer more, thus, make us better food).

Also, it might be simply that we were made to crave gold so much because it makes us hoard it, so then it is easier to take all at once when it's needed.

I'm sure there are technical reasons for why gold is significant here aside from electrical conductivity and other more 3rd density-type properties, but in lieu of that kind of answer I am just spitballing as it were. The part about craving gold makes a lot of sense though yeah, and would explain the historical urge through the ages. Very interesting, and very clever too if it were true.
 

goyacobol

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
This subject of the strobe lights and the use of gold in the devices to control us in an almost hypnotic way is something I too have been thinking about. It seems unlikely that the patrolmen in police cars or school bus drivers driving strobe-light-equipped buses would be consciously desiring to control anyone. If that is the case then who is doing the controlling and how is it done?

Surprisingly gold is mentioned many times in the transcripts. Perhaps the symbolism is worth considering when one approaches the subject as you both have expressed.

This is almost totally unrelated to the above, but about the comments in this session about monoatomic gold being used for the "Total entrapment of the being, mind, body and soul", I had an idea. This is kind of a brain fart but I was thinking like, in symbolic terms, this was significant due to the fact that in more ordinary conditions, "gold" as in the sense of the rampant pursuit of material wealth leads to the "total entrapment" of the soul into the dark systems of our world. So, the use of monoatomic gold as a filament in these technologies has kind of a symbolic connection to this sentiment in the ways that it otherwise "entraps the being".

Uh, does that make any sense? Anyone get what I'm getting at?? Maybe not, but I'm just thinking aloud, haha.

I'm sure the symbolic is part of the issue, but definitely not the only thing. Humans use gold in electronics for a reason, and that reason might be why it is sought so much on 4th density. We simply do not understand why gold has such high conductivity and resistance to chemicals, while it might be all apparent to the entities on that level. Perhaps it comes with other drawbacks, just like electronics use blue light because it uses less energy, but it also makes us sleepless (and suffer more, thus, make us better food).

Also, it might be simply that we were made to crave gold so much because it makes us hoard it, so then it is easier to take all at once when it's needed.

Gold and it's symbolism seems to be the first temptation that got us into our 3D mess in the beginning. It does not explain exactly how gold is used in strobe lights but it may be good to see the symbolic meaning of gold. Later in November of 1995, the Cs talk about the "pot of gold" and The Wizzard of Oz. This leads to a brainstorming discussion about what it all means.

Session 3 November 1995:
Q: (L) All those people there were people with just a little bit of an open mind. I mean, you almost can't deal with metaphysical people because they are generally closet fundamentalists. (F) Yeah, they seemed to be more balanced than some of these "New Agers." (J) Why was there so much interference when we had the group here a couple of sessions ago and there was no interference today?

A: Grooved better.

Q: (T) It was also good practice for doing it with a larger group of people.

A: Did you notice the heightened openness?

Q: (L) Yes we did notice. What was the reason for that?

A: Grooving provides for less interference among other things.

Q: (T) When GB {former regional director of MUFON} and the others were here that was the first time we had that many people here who were all directing the energy at the channel, so that opened the channel and grooved it wider. (J) The more new people we bring in with the right attitude, the more grooved it will become.

A: No, it happens as a natural circumstance of events.

Q: (L) Am I correct in thinking that one of the things that happened today was that we explained quite clearly what was going on, put up the parameters, and told the people what we would accept in the way of questions, and that this set up the protection?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) AB wanted us to ask what were the original number of chromosomes the human being possessed?

A: 135 pairs.

Q: (T) And we now have 23 pairs. So, we lost quite a few chromosomes. (L) A lot! (T) Will we get them all back?

A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) I want to ask about the fellow with the Coral Castle. We went over to see Hillard, as you know. He had an accident after we saw him, the very next day, in fact. Was this accident caused to prevent him from communicating with us any further?

A: Open. Call him and press for details if you like.

Q: (L) When we were talking to Hillard, he told us about the man who built the Coral Castle {Leedskalnin}. This fellow had, apparently, in his private quarters, three objects: a bed, a table, and a swing made of an airplane seat suspended from the ceiling by a chain, complete with seatbelts. Is this...

A: You got it right because you are learning and rebundling DNA as a result of this and other activities.

Q: (L) Okay, so what SV and I were hashing out about this mystery, that was a process of understanding how this man performed these remarkable feats of engineering and construction, is that it?

A: Hypnotize SV if you wish.

Q: (L) Will SV be able to access this knowledge through hypnosis?

A: What do you suppose has happened to SV in her life, and why does she have nagging thoughts about her personal reality which she chooses not to disclose?

Q: (S) I think you better hypnotize me. I have nagging thoughts, but... (T) Does this bring anything out? (S) About my personality, I doubt myself, I don't know. It's like a great big question mark. (T) Do you want to follow up on this? And, they started out with "Real UFOs, SV." What does that mean?

A: What does it mean, indeed!

Q: (S) I guess as opposed to projections? (L) Okay, guys, let's connect our brain cells here!

A: No need to connect "brain cells," using your chakras will do!

Q: (L) Don't connect your brain cells, connect your chakras? How do we connect our chakras? (T) I didn't know that you could connect them? (S) They are all connected always. (L) But I mean how do we connect them with each other? (S) Think it, I guess.

A: Discover.

Q: (L) Can you give us a clue on this? (T) Meditation?

A: You are missing the point, don't search, just let it happen when it is ready.

Q: (T) That's easy enough. (S) What does "real UFOs" mean? (L) Yes, you opened with that, what does it mean?

A: Ask SV!

Q: (L) Well, we certainly will ask SV. (S) I have never seen a UFO that I know of. Maybe I have but I didn't know it. Does it have anything to do with the fact that I am adopted?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Maybe you are an alien, SV. (T) Are you an Orion Federation member? {Laughter} (S) Am I?

A: Mirth.

Q: (S) You have to hypnotize me soon, I am dying of curiosity. (L) You won't die, I promise. (T) Yeah, you are living in Curiosity City. (S) I have had some really strange, fragmented dreams lately. They are only like glimpses... (T) Lately? Jan or I haven't had any strange dreams lately since the last one we talked about, but Jan had the visual thing with the eye the other night. (L) Yes, what was this phenomenon Jan experienced with her eyes the other night? (T) This is like the third or fourth time this thing has happened to her over the years.

A: Strand development in progress.

Q: (J) That's what I thought.

A: If that is what you thought, why hold back, don't you see your increasing abilities?

Q: (T) You have just gained knowledge on what you should be thinking about the next time it happens. I have been telling her that when it started that she should just relax, get past the stress and the fear, and just watch it and see what it does. (L) Yes, well, we have all had some strange experiences. (T) Yes, it is easy for me to say but hard for me to do and the same is true for all of us. (L) And with each of us, it is different.

A: Yes.

Q: (J) What kind of abilities are you talking about?

A: Psychic!

Q: (J) Okay, good...

A: Stop resisting UFO phenomenon, just accept.

Q: (L) What is this? Are you resisting, Jan? (J) I think I am still skeptical, yes. (L) You're kidding! I guess you need to see one, I guess. It sure cured me. {Laughter} (J) I have not had any assurances at all. (S) Neither have I, as far as we know. {Laughter} (J) I mean, I know all this stuff... (T) Can we arrange for something for all of us to see where you are?

A: You can arrange any time. Laura, more caffeine, please.

Q: (T) Do you guys want some coffee? Let me ask, could it be that you guys are hooked on caffeine and you can only get it through us?

A: Open. How does a 6th density light being go about being "hooked" on anything from 3rd density?

Q: (S) Okay, Terry, you'd better explain it to them! (T) It is coming through on the frequency we are transmitting. (L) Are you guys getting the caffeine when I drink it?

A: No.

Q: (T) Are you getting the shot of frequency change it provides?

A: If so, oh well! {Laughter}

Q: (L) I think what it does is make us able to stay up with them.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Oh, come on! You get a little out of it! Yeah, you do! (J) Do you like flavored or non-flavored coffee?

A: Terry, what have you been smoking?

Q: (T) Oh! They want some of that too! Ho-ho-ho, mirth, mirth. (S) It's those cigars you smoke, Terry!

BREAK FOR COFFEE

Q: (L) I assume that you/us have been listening to our/your conversation on finances...

A: As always.

Q: (L) Now, what we would like to know is, can you give us pointers in this regard, or reassurances, because we are still 3rd density and need reassurance in some respects, as to how to deal with this situation.

A: You are still 3rd density enough to need a lot of things, my love!

Q: {Oooh!} (L) Yes, but you didn't answer the question! (T) They are good at that.

A: RTB Review memory.

Q: (L) Okay, you said you were making financial arrangements for us...

A: RTB RTLTHEBSHS

Q: (L) Is this a code?

A: RTL, THE, BSHS...

Q: (Laura and Jan) RATTLE THE BUSHES! {Groans}

A: As you are doing, network!

Q: (L) So, we need to get more stuff and send more stuff out, and do like Frank said and look for sponsors and so forth.

A: Ask GB about money, he will not likely give, but may know someone who will! Do you now see the process?

Q: (S) A government grant? {Laughter}

A: Nyet.

Q: {Much laughter} (T) Let's ask Newt! (L) Nyet on Newt! (T) Ask GB?

A: Nyet on Newt! Mirth.

Q: (T) So, there are no Republicans on 6th level... now, what happened, Laura, when you were looking for the correct Reiki teacher? (L) I asked if I knew someone who knew someone who knew the correct Reiki... (T) And the Cassiopaeans said HD. And, when they said that, you said: "Well, Helen doesn't believe in Reiki." Yet Helen knew the person with the correct lineage and teachings.

A: Trust.

Q: (T) But, you didn't know she knew someone, yet she sent you to the person you needed to find. (L) Right. (T) And, now they are suggesting GB. He won't give us the help, but he will tell us someone to go see. Is it not the same? (J) He forks out every month to pay for the MUFON Newsletter and it costs about $150 a month to print that out. (L) Jan, didn't you have a question you wanted to ask? (J) Yes... I wanted to ask about that "psycho-power" (L) Where's the envelope the ad came in? There it is... there is the psycho-power thing... (J) Yes, and how come they misspelled my name... {Laura waves envelope with ad in air} (L) You see this guys? We would like to know if this is...

A: "Karnak the Magnificent"

Q: (J) OH! (L) What's the matter?

(J) Well, that's confirmation enough for me!!

(L) What do you mean?

(J) We were talking about Karnak in the car on the way up today! You know, the Johnny Carson skit. (L) Oh! (T) Karnak gave the answer to questions that were sealed in envelopes. It was always a joke. He would give a straight answer to a question that turned out to be a joke. "Humpty Dumpty had a great fall," is the one I remember, and the question was "What happened to Humpty Dumpty when Misses September, October and November moved into his apartment complex." {Groans} Bad jokes.

(F) He would frequently use a play on words for that skit. If there was someone whose name was in the news a lot, he would say something like: "Alexander Haig" and then they would open up the envelope and the question would be "who is the father of the son of Alexander Haig." {Groans}

(L) Well, we can save our money on that one.

(J) Guys, I am still skeptical of this...

(L) What do you mean?

(J) This whole thing... I really am... and for that to come through like that after Terry and I were joking about that in the car on the way here, and they picked that out specifically... just blows me away... I am sorry. {Gets tearful.}

(F) That's okay. Until you get something that you can literally put trust in, it isn't really real for you.

(J) Yes, like Laura's was...

(L) Actually the biggest one was...

(J) George R. Kidd...{Name of my son in his previous incarnation. See Tom French’s article, The Exorcist in Love, St. Pete Times, for details.}

(L) Actually there have been several... the 666 thing was not in anybody's subconscious, I know... none of us could have known about the Coptic number-letter relationship... and the thing about...

(J) I think we each have to have our own personal thing...

(L) And I have had to have so many of them, and still, with so many of them piling up, every once in a while I still go into my doubt mode...

(J) We all do....

(L) What is this, are we deluding ourselves, is this a master deception by some entity? Our own minds?

(J) My friend Ann over in Palatka, who publishes that newsletter, the UFOlogist. We played around with the board one weekend when I went to stay with her. We got this really strange entity, and it didn't really go much of anywhere, but one phrase came through that was very clear that I had seen on a TV episode several days before, and the other one that came through that got me was the night before we went to that charity event and the first word that came up was “Poinsettias”, and we asked what it meant and the Cassiopaeans answered that it just came to mind. Well, when we went to that event the next night, there were Poinsettias all over the place.

(T) Yeah, that country club was just filled with Poinsettias.

A: Hand on.

{Laura had hand off while looking for papers and puts hand on planchette when requested.}

Q: (T) Okay, what...

A: Put your hand in the hand of the Cassiopaeans! Put your hand in the hand of the "Man" who rides the wave! {Laughter}

Q: (T) Oh, I like that one. (L) We need to get to our questions... (J) GB thinks we need to put a book together on predictions... (L) I think the words of Jesus on that matter are appropriate: "It is a weak and faithless generation that seeketh after a sign." (T) We were talking about that earlier in the car... that the predictions are minor things compared to what we are actually getting, and that if you have the knowledge, you don't need the predictions because you already know that something is going to happen and you know that things are not necessarily "set" until just before they happen...

A: Ask.

Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came into being at the "time" of the "Fall" in Eden, and this was said in such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into place at that time...

A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.

Q: (L) Okay, what other illusions?

A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.

Q: (L) What is another one of the illusions?

A: The need for physical aggrandizement.

Q: (L) The focus on the physical as the thing one needs to hold onto or protect. (T) Is separate the key word in regard to Monotheism?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is another of the illusions?

A: Linear focus.

Q: (L) Anything else at this time?

A: Unidimensionality.

Q: (L) The veil... (J) The perception of only one dimension... (L) Were these illusions programmed into us genetically through our DNA?

A: Close.


Q: (L) Are there any others we should cover at this point?

A: Are you finished with the concept?

Q: (L) Well, I don't know. Can you tell us a little bit about how these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?

A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do you worry whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view, before you reach for the pot of gold?

Q: (L) What does the gold represent?

A: Temptation to limitation.


Q: (L) What does the door represent?

A: Opening for limitation.

Q: (L) Was limitation presented as a pot of gold when, in fact, it was not? Was this a trick?

A: What is snake?

Q: (T) The Lizards? (J) Danger. (L) Okay, who opened the door. (J) We did. (T) No, what is the snake.

A: No.

Q: (L) Does that mean we did not open the door?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who opened the door?

A: Lizards.


Q: (L) So, we were, literally... (T) Who was the snake? (J) The Lizards, they are danger...

A: No!

Q: (L) Who was the snake?

A: Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping before looking.


Q: (J) So we should exercise caution. (T) Okay, what was the snake? (J) The result of giving into temptation. The snake represents the classic... (L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...

A: Giving into temptation.

Q: (L) And this was a trick...

A: No! Tricks don't exist!

Q: (L) There is an issue here. (T) Okay, no trick, a trap?

A: No! Traps don't exist either. Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.


Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the "Fall?"

A: 3rd density STO.


Q: (T) Didn't you tell us that 3rd density beings could not be STO? (L) No. They said there are 3rd density STO beings. (T) We are STS at this point because of what happened then?

A: Yes.


Q: (T) Okay, now, we were STO at that time. The Lizards opened the door, we are using this as an allegory, I guess, the Lizards opened the door and showed us a pot of gold hoping that we would reach in for the pot, or walk through the door, when they were waiting for us on the other side in order to take us over in some way. Am I on the right track?

A: Hoping is incorrect idea.

Q: (T) Okay, what was it they were trying to do by enticing us?

A: Trying is incorrect idea, continue to probe for learning opportunity.

Q: (T) We were 3rd density STO at this time. Was this after the battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to before?

A: Was battle.

Q: (L) The battle was in us?

A: Through you.


Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through this doorway... (L) The battle was fought through us, we were literally the battleground. (T) I got that, but I want to get back to this analogy to make sure where we are in the overall picture. The battle was going on when the door was opened. Was the battle over whether or not we walked through that door?

A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.

A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it's "when" you choose that counts!

Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? What I am trying to find out is... there is something important here... (L) Let's back up and ask it this way: Prior to this event, humankind was or was not...

A: Prior to?

Q: (L) Okay, not prior. But, we are still talking about somewhat of a historical event in a sense even though it is all simultaneous. This event, somewhere on the cycle, was humankind all one soul, so to speak...

A: Backsliding.

Q: (T) We are moving backwards here. Okay, let's ask it this way...

A: Closer. You were with the thought waves, perhaps better to defer to him for this one.

Q: (L) Okay, I'll shut up. Carry on Terry. (T) I need all the help I can get. (L) It's a tough one. (T) This must tie into why the Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are STS. (J) Yeah, right.

A: Yes, continue.


Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion. The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was opened by the Lizards.

A: No temptation,
it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby slippers?

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We didn't have to step through. (F) But, wait a minute now, they keep saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time Terry says: "They tried to get us through..." (L) They said no... (F) It was always there. (J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged. (T) They didn't do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not. (J) I still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the door... (T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us, just opening it and showing it to us...

A: Provided? ! ?

Q: (L) They didn't provide it... (J) It always existed... (T) It's always there.... (J) It's there now... (T) The Lizards...

A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???


Q: (J) You can always go home. (L) You have always had the power to go home...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?

A: Yes.


Q: (L) How does a 3rd density STO being conduct their life?

A: Discover.

Q: (T) I want to go back to the analogy of the door. The door has always been there. The temptation has always been there... (J) Is there... (T) Has, is, will be... is always.

A: "When" you went for the gold, you said "Hello" to the Lizards and all that that implies.


Q: (T) Okay, that was what I was trying to get at. You said that the Lizards, or the forces of STS opened the door.

A: No. Shouldn't say opened. We said "opened" only to introduce you to the concept, so that you would understand.


Q: (L) So, let's let go of the part that somebody "opened" the door. (T) The door was always there and always open. I was just trying to work with the analogy. So, the concept is that, as STO beings we had the choice of either going for the gold or not. By going for the gold, we became STS beings because going for the gold was STS.

A: Yes.


Q: (T) And, in doing so, we ended up aligning ourselves with the 4th density Lizard Beings...

A: Yes.


Q: (T) Because they are 4th density beings and they have a lot more abilities than we at 3rd density...

A: You used to be aligned with 4th density STO.

Q: (T) And we were 3rd density STO. But, by going for the gold we aligned ourselves with 4th density STS.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And by doing so we gave 4th density STS permission to do whatever they wish with us?

A: Close.

Q: (T) So, when they tell us that we gave them permission to abduct us, it is this they are referring to?

A: Close.


Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: "Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged." (T) We, as the human race, used our free will to switch from STO to STS. (L) So, at some level we have chosen the mess we are in and that is the Super Ancient Legend of the Fallen Angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the door, the serpent bit us!

A: But this is a repeating syndrome.


Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?

A: It is the latter.


Q: (L) Is this a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation simply because it is the cyclic nature of things? Or is it as the Indians call it, Maya?

A: Either or.

Q: (T) Now, you keep referring to the movie, "The Wizard of Oz." You have been saying...

A: 6th density inspired.

Q: (T) You have good filmmakers up there in 6th density. (S) What other movies did they inspire? (T) Before we go off on a sidetrack like that, I'm still trying to grasp something here... okay, you keep referring to the movie, and that we have an ability within us that is something like the Ruby slippers that can take us back to STO any time we wish.

A: Yes.


Q: (T) So, all this stuff we have been talking about, the realm border, the wave, raising the frequencies...

A: Realm wave is the "tornado."

Q: (T) That is the rough wave moving.

A: Subjective.

Q: (L) In the analogy of Dorothy and the whole thing, the place where she started out was Kansas, i.e. STO? (J) It was in black and white...

A: Not really.

Q: (L) Was going to the land of Oz the STO state?

A: STS.

Q: (L) So Oz was STS. And Kansas, not necessarily the physical surroundings, but the state of mind of Dorothy prior to the Oz experience, was the STO state.

A: Yes.


Q: (L) So, we don't need necessarily to look at Kansas or the fact that it was filmed in black and white, it is just the state of mind. The going to Oz...

A: And Elvira Gulch.

Q: (J) The lady that turned into the witch.

A: The witch is the Lizards.


Q: (T) Yeah, okay. Tornado. Dorothy fell from the STO to the STS state through the tornado. Is this true.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) The realm wave you equated to the tornado... (L) Did a realm wave interact with...

A: Analyze more carefully, suggest break to do so.

BREAK

(T) They are equating the tornado as the shift from STO to STS.

(L) Maybe it also is a shift from STS to STO.

(J) Yes, a shift from one to the other would be dramatic.


(T) Was it a density shift also? The realm wave is supposed to be a density shift. A window between densities. Is there also a shifting between STO and STS. Is there a gateway that you go through? A door?

(F) Oh God! There are so many possibilities here.

(L) And if you switch into STO do you find yourself on a different Earth?

(T) They said this tornado is representative of Dorothy going from STO to STS state. She also went from her reality to a totally different reality.

(F) That's true.

(J) But switching from one to the other is going to be traumatic.

(T) They have been talking about a realm wave...

(F) I don't think it matters which way, I just think that in that particular story it was laid out that way.

(T) But what they have been telling us so far is that the realm wave is a window to move between densities.

(J) Right.

(T) But they just said to us that the tornado is an analogy of a realm wave. But the tornado was a passage from STO to STS, not from 3rd to 4th density.

(J) Two different things.

(F) True, however, a realm border passage may represent any kind of sudden shift?

(T) That is what I am wondering. Can it also mean that not only would we shift from 3rd to 4th, but also would we shift from STS to STO and start out in an STO state there? And then have, again, whether or not we shift back to an STS state in 4th density? Do you always start out in an STO state?

(L) Okay, let's stop.

(F) No, because if a realm border is coming now, and they have told us over and over again that we are STS, and what they have actually told us is that the realm border is a shift from 3rd density to 4th density, and they never said it was a shift from STS to STO, they have said that it is our choice.

(T) Yes, but they just referred to the tornado as this realm wave, and, in the Wizard the tornado was the symbol of shifting from STO to STS.

(J) Is it?

(T) I don't know. I'm just trying to get a handle on what they are trying to tell us here because it is something extremely important.

(J) They have been saying "Ruby Slippers, Ruby Slippers," not "tornado, tornado."

(T) Yeah, they said that just now, that the wave is the tornado.

(F) I think that is a different subject, there.

(T) But now it is the same symbology. The tornado took her from one point to another and the slippers took her back to point A again. Two different concepts.

(F) Wait a minute.

(L) They said that Kansas wasn't the STO state.

(F) There are all kinds of intricate little things here, somehow there must be a way to connect it. You know what it is, remember the slippers, they said, meant that the pathway was always there for her to go home.

(J) Yeah, but she had to kill the witch to get the slippers.

(F) No, she thought she had to. Don't you remember Glenda telling her "Ooh, no dear, you can always go home. All you have to do is say 'there's no place like home.'"

(J) Yeah, but you had to be wearing those slippers...

(F) No, no... remember, that was an illusion.

(L) You've always had the power to go home.

(S) Now, you know what, the tornado could be 5th density, as she was looking out the window all these things passed by...

(T) Yes, her life passed by her.

(F) Yes, but they have told us that the realm border passage itself is going to result in all kinds of hairy stuff going on.

(J) Like I say, switching from STS to STO or back, or from 3rd density to 4th density, it's going to be a violent... it is not going to be an easy passage either way.

(F) Right.

(J) It is a radical change in reality.

(T) Yes, but for Dorothy, in the movie, it was violent in the fact that it was a tornado, though it did not physically hurt her.

(J) Yes, and that is what we have been told, too.

(F) She was scared...

(T) Yes, but that was a mental thing... it was up here {pointing to head} where the hurt was. She didn't get hurt physically.

(F) There is also another thing to speculate about, throughout the entire movie, she was never hurt physically. Through all the threats, she was never actually hurt.

(T) It was also 1939, if the movie had been made in 1995 they would have had machine guns, missiles, chainsaws, and there would be body counts all over the place. And she still could have gone home anytime she wanted. You know, "Dorothy Meets the Terminator."

(L) "Dorothy and the Chainsaw Massacre."

(S) "Dorothy Goes to Elm Street." {Laughter}

(T) It's the cross between a children's fairy story and a Stephen King Nightmare.

(F) You know, the fundamentalists have attacked the Wizard of Oz.

(L) They have? Why?

(T) Because it is Satanic.

(F) Yeah, they say it's Hollywood's effort to pull people away from Christianity and fundamentalism and all that jazz.

(T) The Wizard of Oz is evil. To the fundamentalists.

(F) Yes, because you don't need the celebration of Christ to get back to Kansas.

(L) Yes, and Cinderella is politically incorrect.

(T) Because she didn't sleep with one foot on the floor like all the sitcoms.

(J) Excuse me?

(T) I don't know.

(S) We went from Oz to sitcoms?

(J) I think you are mixing your metaphors.

(S) That was Sleeping Beauty.

(T) Yeah, that was Sleeping Beauty in the box.

(J) And one foot on the floor.

(L) No, Snow White was in the box.

(T) Snow White was in the box. Yeah, Disney took all the things that had Beauty sleeping in them...

(L) Did you ever stop and think about that symbology: Sleeping Beauty? Being awakened by a kiss?

(F) Who turns into a frog.

(L) No!

(F) Oh, that's right, the frog turns into a prince.

(L) That's another analogy. Being awakened from the illusion into which one has been put by the evil witch...

(F) And Cinderella...

(L) And also, in all of these fairy tales it is because of some choice and lack of knowledge...

(J) Rumplestiltskin...

(S) The Ugly Duckling...

(T) Yeah, all of Grimm's fairy tales were really pretty grim. They have been cleaned up a whole lot.

(L) Yeah, in the original Cinderella, the step sister cut off part of her foot to get it to fit the slipper and the Prince found her out because of the dripping blood.

(Jan and S__) Ooooh! Yuck!

(T) Must have been the glass slipper, cut my foot!

(L) Yeah, it's pretty grim. One cut her heel off and the other cut her toes off.

(T) Are we getting anywhere? We got the idea that when we fell from STO to STS we gave the Lizzies the right to do what they are doing. So, when they make the statement that we said they could, we did.

A: Okay.


Q: (L) We are having a bit of a puzzlement here because we are wondering if the tornado which represents the realm wave is something that moves one from an STO state to an STS state while still remaining in 3rd density?

A: Okay, that is one way. Okay...


Q: (T) The realm border is not only a way of transferring from one density to another, but it is also a way of transiting from STS and STO and back?

A: Can be.


Q: (T) So, those who transit on this pass may transit from 3rd to 4th density and come out as an STO being?

A: In some of the passages.


Q: (L) Okay, so people can either go from STO to STS in 3rd or 4th density... any of these choices are open at this passing of the realm wave?

A: Any of the above according to the orientation of the wave.


Q: (L) And what is the orientation of the wave that is coming? Is it strictly to move us from 3rd density to 4th density? Is this a function of this wave?

A: We have told you this.


Q: (L) And they have told us that this is a wave from 3rd to 4th density. Some of the waves, apparently, can move from STO to STS... (T) Not the wave, the person passing through the wave. As this wave passes by, does the orientation of the wave depend upon the individual?

A: Compare to sea waves. Waves are a part of the fiber of all nature.

Q: (T) Is it going to depend on where on the wave you are relating to the cycle, the crest and the trough? As to which way you transition on it?

A: No.

Q: (T) In other words, a wave that is going to transition from 3rd to 4th density will do so no matter where you are on the wave when it passes?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) A wave that is aligned to transit people from STS to STO or vice versa will do that also?

A: Or you could "go under" instead.


Q: (T) Under the wave? (J) Under the water. (T) Then you wouldn't move at all. (L) You could be pulled under, you could drown and become part of the primordial soup! (T) Is that Minestrone?

A: Chicken Noodle. {Laughter.}

Q: (L) Am I right that if you go under you get sucked into the ocean and start cycling all over again?

A: It is not that simple.

Q: (J) I didn't think that was simple at all. (T) Let's not even start on that one. I'm still trying to work out this movement from STO to STS. You keep referring to the movie about Dorothy. In the movie she was told she could go home any time she wanted just by saying I want to go home, or whatever. That is a lot easier than going through all the conniptions and contankerations waiting out this wave that comes only once every so often. Is there a way for us to go back to STO that is easier and simpler than hanging out for 300,000 years waiting for this wave to come around?

A: Sure!


Q: (T) Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Where are we going? (L) Well, they already told me to shut my mouth. (T) But now you have caffeine, you can assist me. {Laughter} So, there is another way of doing this. (J) Visualization?

A: Now wait a minute, are you ready to just go to 4th density right now?


Q: (J) Well, probably not. I don't think I'm finished yet. (T) Yeah, I am ready. Right now. Let's roll! Jan, feed the cats when you get home! (L) Even the idea of just taking off and leaving and abdicating your responsibilities and agreements is an STS thing. (T) Yeah, but I'd be 4th density STS. (S) You and the Lizzies! (T) Now, now, I wasn't saying... I'm not ready to go now because I'm wanted here! Anyway, what you are saying is that the realm wave is not the only way to make the transition, is this correct?

A: One idea presented.


Q: (T) That idea is the wave is the way of moving a large group of beings, is this true?

A: Off center.

Q: (L) Well, the wave is just part of a grand cycle. (T) And we are here to set up a frequency to pull as many beings through the wave, when it passes, and that is the whole purpose of why we are here... Is this so?

A: That implies interference with free will.

Q: (L) So, we are here to set up a frequency so that others may join with us... (J) And when we get to 4th density we make the choice or change from STS to STO... (L) Who do the munchkins represent?

A: 2nd density beings.

Q: (L) Do the monkeys represent the Grays?

A: If you wish.

Q: (L) Who do the Witches soldiers represent?

A: The Nephalim.


Q: (L) Who does the Wizard represent?

A: Think, learn, discover.

Q: (L) I think we have had enough on this subject.

End of Session

I know this is a large section of the November session but I hope it gives some food for thought. I think there are many ways the issue of going from STS to STO might be seen. Regardless of what phase in life it seems like it can go either way depending on the person and it is always a choice if one believes in free will choices (I tried to highlight parts to emphasize the questions and answers to them).
 
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