Session 23 August 2025
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Bernardo GA
Jedi
I'm glad you've provided a little more information. The more light on the matter the better.
That's what I was thinking about.
I for one am not a musician, I don't even know how to play an instrument (just a little bit of the drum and I'm not very good at it
), I have no idea how to read a score.Having said that, I now tell you that I find it quite easy to listen to and fully enjoy music when I like it.
As I listen to it, I'm not thinking about whether this or that note would be better if it were this or that note, or things like that.
I simply receive that gift as it is, letting those vibrations flow freely through my body, without the interruptions of an inopportune analysis. Therefore, I suppose that in the event that my choice of music coincided with the one that would be beneficial to me, I think I could receive the benefits of that music quite easily.
I wonder if for a composer, who is used to analyzing music while listening to it, perhaps doing so without realizing it on occasions, occasions when he intends to just listen and enjoy, but because of his craft, does he find it difficult to do so, or a little more difficult than for those of us who are not music composers?
I mean, I wonder if in addition to what we choose to listen to, it is also relevant to what we choose to listen to. the how we listen that music.
I suppose that many who do understand music, as is the case of many here, have no problem to listen to and fully enjoy music.
And it seems to me that they manage to do so because they must have come some way, in terms of Work.
Undoubtedly, only with work you can improve the balance between “give and take”. It's all a great learning process.
If learning to give is not as simple as we once imagined, learning to receive is not so simple either.
And both are equally important, as they are two aspects of the same thing.
And I am thinking that our state of health is directly or largely related to the balance between these two factors of the same equation, which we call “giving and receiving”.
One thing that does me a lot of good is to go to the seashore. Walking barefoot on the sand, walking along the water's edge from end to end of the beach, sitting for long periods of time either on the sand or on the rocks, without thinking too much.
The sound of the sea, maybe all the combination of things that take place in that situation, whatever it is, relaxes me a lot and I come back home refreshed.
I don't know what it is about the sea, I have no scientific knowledge of its properties, but I know I enjoy it and the cells in my body appreciate it too (if they could talk of course
).Just some thoughts for what they're worth, in addition to all the good things others have already said on the subject.
Musicinventor and Mrs. Peel, I hope everything gets better soon, may the Divine Cosmic Mind be with you all the way.
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Here is the full conversation:
(Joe) Is the Oumuamua space rock an alien spaceship or probe?
A: Just wait a bit longer and all will become clear.
Q: (Joe) It's funny because they've been talking about it again and again. The speeding up and slowing down was reported by these Harvard people at the beginning of this year. They started talking about it again. So they keep bringing it up.
A: Recall that a spacecraft leaving your solar system experienced the same effect though at a greater distance?
Q: (L) And what spacecraft was that?
(Scottie) I don't remember exactly. Voyager or something? I remember reading about how it was speeding up and slowing down and they didn't know why.
(Ark) Pioneer.
(L) So it happened to our spacecraft against its programming. I guess what you're trying to say is that possibly the same effects that were acting on the Earth-based spacecraft that was sent out were also acting on this rock. So, it's not evidence of its alien source, but more evidence of some kind of forces in our solar system that we do not know about or understand. Is that what you're trying to say?
A: Yes
Q: (Pierre) Any object - spacecraft or rock - will experience the same anomalies.
(L) There are things out there that we just don't know about.
(Joe) And it could be related to its shape and size. It's an unusual shape and size. It's very flat and thin.
(L) But just because it was speeding up or slowing down doesn't mean it's an alien craft.
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One example of such partnership between Mexico and Ukraine:
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On the topic of music - as a jazz pianist myself, I noticed that over time you develop a certain ego about the "superiority" of certain music due to its complexity. Jazz is complex, and you can absolutely say that many people just "don't get it" because it takes a lot of exposure and a trained ear, so to speak, to truly appreciate the more nuanced solos and progressions. However, what I learned over a few decades hence is that it's actually a self-imposed blindness and a false superiority. Yes, there is lots of "trash" music out there - generic uninspired pop songs made by the music industry. But that doesn't make every pop song, or country song, or rock song, or any genre inherently bad or "inferior". It completely depends on the song and the artist.
For example, you mentioned you don't listen to blues as one of the styles that no longer interest you. Yes a standard blues is only 4 chords or so, a simple progression with a simple blues scale. From the standpoint of pure "complexity" it may seem rather simple. And yet, there are entire layers of complexity that you disregard by focusing on only one type, the technical or mathematical, and that's a blindness. A really experienced and skilled blues player or singer will play/sing relatively few chords and notes, but those chords and notes will be hit in such a way that they sing to your soul, and have an emotional impact that no amount of complexity could ever do. It's "when" you hit the right note, how you hit it, and sing/play with your entire soul, that it what resonates with the listener.
So instead of thinking of the average person as a musical simpleton, consider the possibility that you're missing something very important because of your obsession with a very narrow aspect of music. Maybe something that the average "simpleton" understands intuitively goes right over your head? I'm not discounting this complexity, it can be a lot of fun to try to layer some nuanced stuff, but there's a lot more to music, and a lot of beauty in simplicity. And not just beauty, but the absolute kill involved in hitting 3 notes "just right" vs 1000 complex notes is often underappreciated by musicians whose focus on something else. So there is nuance that you miss by focusing on entirely different nuance.
So maybe ask yourself - what is it that intrigues and touches people from a guitar solo that hits like 5 basic notes when you'd prefer 1000? Is it because they are just "simple" unwashed masses and are impressed by simple things like children impressed with toys? Or is there more going on that may require some humbleness for you to consider? I'd wager there's far more going on - and a truly skilled artist can hit those 5 notes in such a way and with such timing, grace, and control that it gives you goosebumps. Have you ever experienced goosebumps from something you played or produced? Or something someone else played or sang?
Consider that maybe what seems simple is not actually simple if done "right" by a skilled musician. If it comes from the soul, I think it has to be received by a soul, and the analytical mind is not always the right tool for the job.
For example, you mentioned you don't listen to blues as one of the styles that no longer interest you. Yes a standard blues is only 4 chords or so, a simple progression with a simple blues scale. From the standpoint of pure "complexity" it may seem rather simple. And yet, there are entire layers of complexity that you disregard by focusing on only one type, the technical or mathematical, and that's a blindness. A really experienced and skilled blues player or singer will play/sing relatively few chords and notes, but those chords and notes will be hit in such a way that they sing to your soul, and have an emotional impact that no amount of complexity could ever do. It's "when" you hit the right note, how you hit it, and sing/play with your entire soul, that it what resonates with the listener.
So instead of thinking of the average person as a musical simpleton, consider the possibility that you're missing something very important because of your obsession with a very narrow aspect of music. Maybe something that the average "simpleton" understands intuitively goes right over your head? I'm not discounting this complexity, it can be a lot of fun to try to layer some nuanced stuff, but there's a lot more to music, and a lot of beauty in simplicity. And not just beauty, but the absolute kill involved in hitting 3 notes "just right" vs 1000 complex notes is often underappreciated by musicians whose focus on something else. So there is nuance that you miss by focusing on entirely different nuance.
So maybe ask yourself - what is it that intrigues and touches people from a guitar solo that hits like 5 basic notes when you'd prefer 1000? Is it because they are just "simple" unwashed masses and are impressed by simple things like children impressed with toys? Or is there more going on that may require some humbleness for you to consider? I'd wager there's far more going on - and a truly skilled artist can hit those 5 notes in such a way and with such timing, grace, and control that it gives you goosebumps. Have you ever experienced goosebumps from something you played or produced? Or something someone else played or sang?
Consider that maybe what seems simple is not actually simple if done "right" by a skilled musician. If it comes from the soul, I think it has to be received by a soul, and the analytical mind is not always the right tool for the job.
Another way to put it, maybe there's not a formula for it, or at least not one that we know of? And focusing too much on the formulas we can discern may not give us a complete picture, or even the right picture. If you zoom in on a beautiful photo or picture, you just see pixels. You don't see the beauty that way, you don't even know what's going on. And beside the pixels, you can try to apply color theory, and all sorts of "rules" for why a picture is great. And maybe some of it is partly useful, but somehow the art that touches a person seems to be greater than the sum of its parts. Trying to break it down into parts isn't useless, but that's like trying to explain logically why you love your partner. Oh she's pretty, she's kind, she is giving, she's hard working, she's smart, etc etc. Those are not useless or unimportant things. But I don't think we have the whole banana when it comes to understanding what makes us feel happy and comfortable around a certain person. There are connections above/beyond what we can explain or even understand rationally. Sometimes those things can be negative - like manipulation, co-dependence, trauma bonds, etc, and yeah we can fail to identify those or interpret them as something magical or positive. But sometimes the actual connection IS positive and simultaneously beyond our ability to put into words fully.
So I guess in a way I'm asking you to believe in magic - that there are things beyond our mind's ability to explain, break down into parts, formulate, rationalize, or measure. But they are still real, and maybe 3rd density is just not the level where we can explain them fully, and that's ok! It's a materialistic mindset to insist that you can always explain or understand something analytically. And not just materialistic, but egotistical - kinda like explaining the ocean by scooping a bit of it into a cup and analyzing it. There's nothing wrong with trying - because that's how we learn and grow and understand more. But never ever think you got the whole banana - always leave the door open to being wrong and to missing parts of the picture. In fact, consider the possibility that some things will NEVER be explainable in this lifetime, but nevertheless they exist, and are real, and they have an effect/influence on you if you don't close yourself off to that possibility.
Maybe read or re-read this:
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And I'm not trying to invalidate your studies or experience. Only to suggest that it is incomplete, and may even be deceptive in some ways by keeping you from investigating other avenues entirely and maybe even closing yourself off from "higher influences". And perhaps your cancer is that "feedback system" that is trying to tell you that you need to really step back and do some soul searching and re-evaluation.
Here's something else the C's said about cancer:
So I'm not saying the topic of music is the whole shebang in terms of your cancer. But I might suggest that your attitude towards music might also be a clue in terms of your attitude toward other things in life? Maybe you're really identified with your knowledge/abilities and may have a superiority complex in other areas? It seems like putting your ego aside and having an honest reflection and analysis may be very useful.
So I guess in a way I'm asking you to believe in magic - that there are things beyond our mind's ability to explain, break down into parts, formulate, rationalize, or measure. But they are still real, and maybe 3rd density is just not the level where we can explain them fully, and that's ok! It's a materialistic mindset to insist that you can always explain or understand something analytically. And not just materialistic, but egotistical - kinda like explaining the ocean by scooping a bit of it into a cup and analyzing it. There's nothing wrong with trying - because that's how we learn and grow and understand more. But never ever think you got the whole banana - always leave the door open to being wrong and to missing parts of the picture. In fact, consider the possibility that some things will NEVER be explainable in this lifetime, but nevertheless they exist, and are real, and they have an effect/influence on you if you don't close yourself off to that possibility.
Maybe read or re-read this:
The Wave Chapter 13: All There Is Is Lessons (Some Further Remarks)
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And I'm not trying to invalidate your studies or experience. Only to suggest that it is incomplete, and may even be deceptive in some ways by keeping you from investigating other avenues entirely and maybe even closing yourself off from "higher influences". And perhaps your cancer is that "feedback system" that is trying to tell you that you need to really step back and do some soul searching and re-evaluation.
Here's something else the C's said about cancer:
So I'm not saying the topic of music is the whole shebang in terms of your cancer. But I might suggest that your attitude towards music might also be a clue in terms of your attitude toward other things in life? Maybe you're really identified with your knowledge/abilities and may have a superiority complex in other areas? It seems like putting your ego aside and having an honest reflection and analysis may be very useful.
From Grok: According to Louise Hay's book 'You Can Heal Your Life,' lung problems are associated with psychological and emotional factors such as depression, grief, fear of taking in life, and not feeling worthy of living life fully. These factors reflect an underlying resistance to fully embracing or receiving life's experiences.
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I wasn't going to comment any more, but I do think you are reaching here. You turned "most people don't understand music" (which they do not) into him believing everyone is a musical simpleton? Do you understand German, French, Italian? Then perhaps you are a language simpleton. Do you see what I mean?
I see nothing wrong with a person not enjoying a particular style of music. I despise country. And I also see nothing wrong with not finding a particular style musically interesting. Would Ark find adding 2 + 2 constantly mathematically interesting? Why is it "egotistical" to have your own opinion?
What "attitude" is it you keep referring to? It seems that some have turned him saying that certain styles of music he does not find particularly interesting, into some sort of slight against themselves because maybe they do like it and feel slighted or insulted themselves? Interesting...
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I do not think SAO is reaching too much with that comment. Actually, I had similar thoughts, and I think this is something Musicinventor you might want to ponder and process. The thought occurred to me as I read what and how you wrote:
During my career as a singer, I've learned that the audience is always the ultimate expert, no matter what the style of music is. They may not have the slightest idea of music theory, composing, complexity or singing technique, but they do always know and show it when the music/singer/instrumentalist touches and moves them. And when this happens it usually coincides with the performer(s) having felt that they succeeded in terms of composition, interpretation, emotional content/delivery and also technical aspects. Isn't that what music is ultimately supposed to do, its purpose? To move people, awaken emotions and induce unexplainable awe? This effect can be reached even with a simple melody like 'Twinkle, twinkle' when done in the right way – genuinely and from the heart, and without any 'technical mastery'.
As a side note, Bach and Beethoven may not be from a music theoretical perspective the most complicated, but personally I find their compositions extremely 'complex' regarding their perfection and beauty. Just to add, but I've read of several concert pianists who've said that they started as children by playing Mozart and when 'on death's door', they returned to playing Mozart, because Mozart's music was in their opinion the purest and most soothing. C's said that Mozart channeled music direclty from 4th, 5th and 6th density, so no wonder!
ADDED: There is of course the whole 'can of worms' of the music industry, how they manipulate people into liking an artist for all the wrong reasons, not the reasons I mentioned above. But that's off topic and a topic for another thread.
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Moine
Padawan Learner
Mmm. I'm not surprised... To shorten the possible scope of inquiry of every potential thing of issue, to maybe the exact thing of issue, let me ask one question regarding this:
@Musicinventor you have given us all here the a posteriori "reasoning" of your professional career, your academic erudition, and your musical opinion. What I have not seen described, is your a priori "passion" for wanting to become a professional musician in the first place. I say that, since as we "grow up", we tend to lose that factor of mystery, spontaneity, and even baseline enjoyment of trivial things, that we eventually "learn of" as being unsophisticated, or whatever, in life. The stuff just turns out into mundane, drab, dis-interesting "work", because we "know, or expect" better, right? Yet there is nothing in this world that would stop me, for instance, from banging out random, weird, and goofy rhythms, should I come across a drum of any kind, anywhere. I'm no professional musician, but I would find such a distraction to be extremely fun.
I would love to read like a 300 page autobiography from you, but you did offer a few words on your site as a bio, and you listed Roundabout, by Yes, as being the song/experience that "blew you away" and got you hooked on the music thing.
(yes, it's that song used in some YT memes these days, yet alone an oldie)
Idk -- what have you not tried out on an experiential basis? Moonlighting at some venue, playing with a band, an orchestral/symphonic position, self-produced covers or revisions that are posted online? There's quite a lot to do....
Even composition wise -- music is just one technical craft of transposing a series of emotional scenes, into a meaningful sequence. It has its own set of theorems, techniques, aesthetics ..., much akin to writing, poetry, painting, gymnastics, acrobatics, and the like. There's just so many ways to be expressively creative, at pretty much any age.
Of course, I don't expect an answer. Personal things are just that, known to the person of particular note, themselves -- even though they may have become oblivious to the thing in question. That's what time does -- it makes us used to things....
@Musicinventor you have given us all here the a posteriori "reasoning" of your professional career, your academic erudition, and your musical opinion. What I have not seen described, is your a priori "passion" for wanting to become a professional musician in the first place. I say that, since as we "grow up", we tend to lose that factor of mystery, spontaneity, and even baseline enjoyment of trivial things, that we eventually "learn of" as being unsophisticated, or whatever, in life. The stuff just turns out into mundane, drab, dis-interesting "work", because we "know, or expect" better, right? Yet there is nothing in this world that would stop me, for instance, from banging out random, weird, and goofy rhythms, should I come across a drum of any kind, anywhere. I'm no professional musician, but I would find such a distraction to be extremely fun.
I would love to read like a 300 page autobiography from you, but you did offer a few words on your site as a bio, and you listed Roundabout, by Yes, as being the song/experience that "blew you away" and got you hooked on the music thing.
(yes, it's that song used in some YT memes these days, yet alone an oldie)
Idk -- what have you not tried out on an experiential basis? Moonlighting at some venue, playing with a band, an orchestral/symphonic position, self-produced covers or revisions that are posted online? There's quite a lot to do....
Even composition wise -- music is just one technical craft of transposing a series of emotional scenes, into a meaningful sequence. It has its own set of theorems, techniques, aesthetics ..., much akin to writing, poetry, painting, gymnastics, acrobatics, and the like. There's just so many ways to be expressively creative, at pretty much any age.
Of course, I don't expect an answer. Personal things are just that, known to the person of particular note, themselves -- even though they may have become oblivious to the thing in question. That's what time does -- it makes us used to things....
The analogy to languages is a bit off - you can't enjoy or listen to a language if you don't speak it. It's very easy to enjoy and appreciate music without knowing any theory as most people do just that. No one sits around listening to German talk radio who doesn't speak it. So obviously most people understand music at a level that is enough to enjoy and appreciate it, and that's my point - that the average person's intuitive understanding and appreciation of music, without any knowledge of theory, is being minimized or disregarded. Only "intellectual knowledge" of music is being regarded as true knowledge or important. And yet most musicians make music for non-musicians. No Germans write german poems for people who don't speak German.
Ironically, I don't speak Italian or Portuguese or French, but I really enjoy them when listening to songs in those languages. There's a sort of musicality to them I enjoy!
As for not enjoying particular styles, there's nothing wrong with it and we all have our preferences, but it's the *why* he doesn't enjoy it that is very different than most people's "why". Musicinventor said:
So it's not just a personal preference, he's suggesting that the more knowledge/experience one has, it leads to loss of interest in those genres. Otherwise why add "Due to my education.." part at all? This is a non sequitur because plenty of people have similar and probably greater knowledge/experience in music, and yet they enjoy and work with those genres. Or are you suggesting that if they like those genres they just don't understand music as well as Musicinventor?
He could say it's just a personal preference, which is fine, but then why add the "Due to" part? Clearly this was an important part of his "why". And that's why I'm suggesting he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There is an ego and a blindness involved here, and the non sequitur is a clue that he may benefit from taking a step back and considering why he holds this view. And does he hold the same view in other areas?
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The following comments from the session might offer a further clue:
I find the word ’direction’ interesting in that context. Maybe a clue of where to direct your ’flow’, attention and intention (of the music you compose)? Inwards vs outwards? I might be off, just trying to help.
I find the word ’direction’ interesting in that context. Maybe a clue of where to direct your ’flow’, attention and intention (of the music you compose)? Inwards vs outwards? I might be off, just trying to help.
John G
The Living Force
Well I know my interest in Ark's physics made Discover magazine much less interesting to me. I used to get all excited when a new issue showed up then my niche interest in mathematical physics made the magazine less exciting, then I stopped reading it at all so I cancelled my subscription. If it becomes a research of some niche-based excitement then you do kind of stick to your niche and think of it as a profound place to be.
That said all niches probably have profound feeling research of some sort. For those supposedly simple guitar solos, AI has this to say about my favorite guitar soloist:
Innovation is kind of everywhere and different people like to innovate in different areas. The touchpad I'm using following in the footsteps of the mouse may not seem like a rocket science launching of innovation but somebody could have really liked doing it.
Excellent session, much appreciation to Laura and Andromeda at the board and everyone who contributed their energies.
I’m not at all surprised about Trump being blackmailed using his family as the hook, seemed pretty obvious from the very beginning that this was the case. What a predicament, and we know how ruthless and sick these Israelis are, I can only imagine what they told Trump what would happened to his family.
So what would you do if someone was going to cut off you eyelids and make you watch your family be raped, tortured and murdered unless you do as they say? Even if it costs the lives of millions or billions of innocent people and turns the rest of us into transhuman autobots.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I feel bad for the guy.
And I say, yeehaw, about that increased protection, what a horrible few months June and July (may be a bit of August too) were.
I hope y’all stay safe, keep holding that light in your hearts and minds.
I’m not at all surprised about Trump being blackmailed using his family as the hook, seemed pretty obvious from the very beginning that this was the case. What a predicament, and we know how ruthless and sick these Israelis are, I can only imagine what they told Trump what would happened to his family.
So what would you do if someone was going to cut off you eyelids and make you watch your family be raped, tortured and murdered unless you do as they say? Even if it costs the lives of millions or billions of innocent people and turns the rest of us into transhuman autobots.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I feel bad for the guy.
And I say, yeehaw, about that increased protection, what a horrible few months June and July (may be a bit of August too) were.
I hope y’all stay safe, keep holding that light in your hearts and minds.
