Session 30 May 2009

In this transcript, there is the section about two old dogs on medication that were put down, but before the excerpt first are some thoughts about pets:

A pet can serve a function like guarding the house or the grainery on a farm, guiding a blind person, finding lost objects or people, tracking game or even pulling a sledge if one is an Innuit hunter or lives in northern Siberia. It can also have a social function of being a comon meeting point for a family or group of people; it can be a way to learn something about ourselves. To train a horse or a dog, one must have some idea of using ones authority. I even came across an expert teacher that recommended prospective teachers to get a dog, as it would help them learn and deal with the behaviour of their students in class. There was also a book written for women comparing the qualities of five breeds of dogs to those of men as partners, and on that basis advising them how to identify types of men according to their taste and deal with them the way they wanted - very clever done with drawings and all, but somewhat soulless. A dog can be a consolation for a lonely person or a lonely child coming home from school before the parents and not having three or four siblings of similar age to play with, it can be an excuse to get out and exercise, or a protection when walking,, as a person is not really walking alone when walking "alone" with a dog. Pets can also help to develop some social skills and a sense of responsibility. Girls (it is mostly girls it seems) who have had a horse are often more responsible than others, I have noticed, or is that just a coincidence in my experience? A pet can also be a bird; someone I met, felt that her 10 canaries can also protect against negative psychic influences. Maybe, but I also recall that from the sessions, that 2D can get psychic attachments, though of course we as humans carry them around too, it is said, so it probably depends on the case. At least a canary will not be able to attack you like a a couple of pitbulls or similar dogs. In some cases a pet, or too many of them can perhaps also be a way to avoid dealing with the world or make one tired, I recall a story about a woman who lived alone in a house surrounded by 11 cats and wondered why she felt so drained from energy. That was an extreme case, but here is the excerpt from the present transcript that I had in mind, which made me think, that if I should get a pet, I would need a really good reason:: Session 30 May 2009
Q: (L) {First question} L*** A*** just had to have her two old sick doggies put down yesterday partly so she could start her new life, but also because there is simply no other choice considering the situation. {Note: The individual is moving to a new city where she has an offer to live and work, and the apartment does not accept dogs. Both of them were quite old and on various meds so not good candidates for adoption.} She's very upset and missing them. Is there anything I can say or anything you can say to give her any kind of pointer as to whether or not this was the right thing to do?

A: Right 5D for pets

Q: (L) Okay. Is there any particular goal for her to focus on at the present time?

A: Getting well will be facilitated by focusing on others as the reason to get better. Giving her life to dogs didn't give much to the world nor did it bring much return except subjective illusion. As Gurdjieff said, you get back what you give to life.

Q: (L) Well, for a long time she didn't have anything except the dogs, and now the dogs are gone. I think she's feeling pretty bereft. And you're saying the doggies went to doggie 5D so to speak...

A: One day she will have a dog that will return the favors.

Q: (L) She made the remark that since her dogs were old and sick and on medication, and she was sick and on medication, that maybe she wasn't worth keeping alive either.

A: Apples and oranges. Dogs are subjective and personal and a human can be objective in terms of what can be given to others.

Q: (L) So you're saying that keeping a dog alive {by extraordinary means} is just keeping alive something that's subjective and personal to you, while a human can be kept alive and give a great deal that's objectively beneficial to other people {depending on the individual, of course}. Is that it?

A: Yes
 
I don't know if this post belongs here or to its own post as a Hit for the C's (it would depend on what you make of the overall argument) but I recently read this book by Peter Novak called The Lost Secret of Death: Our Divided Souls and the Afterlife which reminded me of what the C's said about Jesus and soul division.

From the book description:
Novak investigates a belief called the Binary Soul Doctrine (BSD) which states simply that humans possess two souls which split at death, the conscious going on to reincarnate again and again, while the unconscious ends up in a type of limbo judging itself for all eternity.
He goes on to explain that long ago the BSD was the primary belief of a single world religion, which since has been broken into more and more fragments. However, he claims that twentieth-century findings, including the work of Freud and Jung, as well as findings of modern neuroscience and Near-Death research, has marked a resurgence of belief in the veracity of the BSD.

Novak argues--just as those long ago did--that it is essential for humans to integrate these two souls together before death to avoid the nightmare of being split in two at death. He even offers a few steps to help readers start the process of integration.

It's a while since I read the book but I do remember an interesting hypothesis he made (or I read it as such) at the beginning, that the confusion of tongues referred to with regards to the Tower of Babel, might have been a confusion of religions, rather than tongues. This to me would fit in with the idea of an ancient religion which united humanity rather than the many we have now that divide us in the Golden Age.

Anyway, the part of the transcripts that sprung to mind as I was reading the book was the following:



Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?
A: No.
Q: There was no crucifixion and no resurrection after three day? Is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what is the truth on that matter?
A: He spent 96 hours in a comatose state in a cave near Jerusalem. When he awoke, he prophesied to his disciples and then exited the cave. 27,000 people had assembled because of mother ship appearance and he was taken up in a beam of light.
Q: (L) When did he go into this sleep state? Did he just go in one day and go to bed and go to sleep and then a ship came and picked him up?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So he appeared to his followers to have died?
A: They thought this.
Q: (L) Did he get up and say anything to anybody before he left on the ship?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did he come back to life... so to speak...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And then he told them things he had seen in his extended meditative sleep, is that what happened?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what happened?
A: Told prophecies then proclaimed eventual return.
Q: (L) Was this information he got during this period of 'extended sleep?'
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How long was he asleep, or in this state of semi-death?
A: 96 hours.
Q: (L) And then, a ship arrived and took him away, is that correct?
A: Yes. Upon pillar of light.
Q: (L) Is there any special power or advantage in praying in the name of Jesus?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, if he didn't die and release his spirit into the earth plane, how is this power conferred?
A: Prayers go to him.
Q: (L) And what does he do when he hears the prayers?
A: Determines their necessity against background of individual soul development.
Q: (L) You say that when a person prays to Jesus that he makes some sort of a decision, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, how can he do that when millions of people are praying to him simultaneously?
A: Soul division.

Q: (L) What do you mean by soul division?
A: Self explanatory.
Q: (L) Do you mean soul division as in cellular meiosis where a cell splits and replicates itself?
A: No.
Q: (L) Does Jesus' soul divide?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How many times does it divide?
A: Endlessly as a projection of consciousness.

Q: (L) And what happens to this piece of soul that is divided or projected?
A: Is not a piece of a soul.
Q: (L) What is it?
A: It is a replication.
Q: (L) Is each replication exactly identical to the original?
A: Yes. And no.
Q: (L) In what way is the replicated soul different from the original?
A: Not able to give individual attention.
Q: (L) Are any of us able to replicate in this manner if we so desire?
A: Could if in same circumstance. The way the process works is thus: When Jesus left the earth plane, he went into another dimension or density of reality, whereupon all "rules" regarding the awareness of time and space are entirely different from the way they are perceived in your reality. A "Time warp coccoon, if you will. At this point in space time his soul which was/is still in the physical realm, was placed in a state of something akin to suspended animation and a sort of advanced form of unconsciousness. From that point to the present his soul has been replicated from a state of this unconsciousness in order that all who call upon him or need to be with him or need to speak to him can do so on an individual basis. His soul can be replicated ad infinitum--as many times as needed. The replication process produces a state of hyper- consciousness in each and every version of the soul consciousness.
Q: (L) So, you are saying that Jesus is in a state of suspension, voluntarily, in another plane of existence, having chosen to give up his life on this plane in order to continuously generate replications of his soul pattern for other people to call upon for assistance? A sort of "template generator?"
A: Yes. Precisely.
Q: (L) If one calls upon him more than once, does one get a double dose?
A: Define.
Q: (L) If one repeatedly calls upon Jesus does one get repeated replications or additional strength, power or whatever?
A: No. Once one has truly made the connection, that's all that's needed.
Q: (L) This is an interesting concept. Has any other soul volunteered to perform this work?
A: Yes. 12 at the present "time."
Q: (L) Can you name any of the others?
A: Buddha. Moses. Shintanhilmoon. Nagaillikiga. Others; Varying degrees; Jesus is the strongest currently.

The chapter relevant to Jesus is chapter 15 and here's an excerpt. It's a bit out of context if you haven't read the rest of the book but interesting in relation to the whole "division" matter. Also, I don't remember if the author is aware that an historical Jesus as has been received by the majority of humans didn't actually exist but I don't think it affects his arguments as he is referring to a more esoteric version in any case.



(Excerpt from chapter 15)

Forging a New Path to Immortality: Christ's Mission to Save the Human Race

For this reason faith came, it did away with the division.
—The Gospel of Truth 34:29

As good as it was, unfortunately the old path was not enough to solve humanity's problem. While it was effective on the level of the individual, the old path was a miserable failure on the level of the collective. It worked wonderfully when people tried it, but it was a path few ever started down, and fewer still completed. And even though generation after generation also produced healers who valiantly struggled to beat back humanity's ever-increasing division with various types of soul retrieval or soul-rescue techniques (whether shamanic, OBE, psychological, or ghostly), there have ultimately been too few of these spiritual warriors to make any meaningful impact on the pathology affecting our species. OBE pioneer Robert Monroe recognized this dilemma, as also does ghost rescuer Robert H. Coddington, who admitted: “We consider rescue of unaware souls a beneficent objective unto itself, even though aiding them, one individual at a time, may be like draining a lake one drop at a time.”

Alas, we may win a few minor battles now and then, but the real war seems all but completely lost. For every individual these soul retrieval specialists help, millions more slip by untouched, lost, and trapped in a merciless downward spiral of unconscious self-destruction. So, instead of getting closer to conquering the pathology that has gripped our species, humanity has kept inching inexorably closer to seeing it finally conquer us. Day after day, lifetime after lifetime, we slice off more and more fragments of our-selves, endlessly indulging in insane acts of self-betrayal that violate our integrity and endanger our health and safety, ignorantly drop-kicking shards of our being into the garbage dump we call the unconscious.

Everything has a price, so we probably shouldn't be surprised that we now find ourselves standing together at the ultimate precipice, wondering if our divisions will now finally be the end of us. There seems to be every reason to assume they might. When cells don't integrate with the rest of the system in a biological organism, it is called cancer. Left to their own devices, such pathologies inevitably destroy the whole organism. As Luke (11:17) warns, “Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall.”

At one time, the old path was believed to hold great promise. All the world once embraced it, believing it to be the answer to humanity's problems. People everywhere built huge monuments to it, but in the end it failed us. Despite the entire old path, despite all the binary soul religions, shamans, soul retrieval specialists, psychologists, and ghost-hunters, humanity is still imprisoned inside this pathology. Yes, from time to time a scattered few have been able to escape via the old path; but the vast majority of the Earth's tired, insecure, misinformed, and perpetually distracted population have never even tried to climb out of the trap on their own.

And that could very easily have been the end of the story.

Humanity needed help. Like an infant that had wandered into dangers it didn't understand and had no chance of coping with, humanity needed to be rescued. We had attacked the problem the best way we knew how, and had come up embarrassingly short. Despite a unified worldwide commitment to the old path, we failed in the end. Humanity came away from that sociological experiment as pathologically divided as ever, leaving nothing left to be done but humbly admit our inadequacy and hope for a miracle. We needed a savior.

The Ultimate Soul Retrieval
In The Division of Consciousness, I suggested that Jesus Christ not only mastered the old path (Ephesians 2:14), but figured out how to do something new, taking the old path one step further than anyone had ever done before. His perfect integrity made it possible for Him to delay the activation of His “Fire from Within” transformation until after His physical death. Thus, when He finally underwent this transformation, He did it out of the body, which released awesome, never-before-seen forces that catapulted His soul throughout space and time like the light of an exploding supernova, filling every nook and cranny of the universe with His presence. The Bible reports something similar: “He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe” (Ephesians 4:10)...



...Jesus is credited by Ephesians 2:14 with having “made the two one.” the same goal emphasized again and again in the Gospel of Thomas and other gnostic works, a goal that would have been extremely relevant and meaningful to the BSD-saturated cultures of the Mediterranean. For centuries afterwards, Christian art commonly displayed Christ making an obviously symbolic gesture—holding up two fingers held close together—as seen in this 6th century icon. Christian scholarship has long been divided on the original meaning of this gesture; some have maintained that it refers to Christ's double nature as God and man, while others have taught alternate explanations. But if this gesture dates from Christ Himself, perhaps it was not intended as a declaration of Christ's nature, but as a command to the viewer: “To those who have eyes to see, here is the whole secret: make the two one!”

One consequence of such an unprecedented maneuver was that Christ's unconscious soul became permanently conjoined to all other souls in the universe. He thus came to intimately and directly share in the psychological existence, experience, thoughts, feelings, and identity of every man, woman, and child throughout history, something that presumably only God Himself had previously done, something that would indeed earn Jesus the title “Son of God.” “On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you” (John 14:20).

Such a forced universal mind-meld would have been just what the doctor ordered, providing a perfect solution for the problem plaguing humanity. Discovering our minds inside His own, Jesus would have found Himself in an unprecedented position of power, in the perfect position to single-handedly attack the whole pathology.

Our pain had become His pain. What we had collectively rejected, denied, ignored, and refused to experience consciously, He could embrace. He could now directly confront, and therefore finally release, all humanity's repressed pain and buried memories, everything we had stored up since the beginning of time (or at least since the beginning of the Division). “I remembered your tears and your mourning and your anguish; they are far behind us” (The Secret Book of James 10:9-10).

Jesus could finally release humanity from its ancient fear of this inner pain, a fear that had trapped and enslaved the whole species for millennia. He could finally integrate all the repressed pain and memories, finally fulfilling the evolutionary purpose to become integrated, integrating all the pain and memories by incorporating them all into His own conscious awareness. What we cowardly refused to integrate into ourselves, He bravely chose to integrate into Himself.

All this repressed material was essentially a debt we owed ourselves, a psychological debt that had grown so large it was threatening to destroy the whole human race. He paid this debt for us; or, as His followers put it 2000 years ago, He “paid for our sins.” With trepidation, and with faith, but most of all with love for His fellow human beings, He used the Fire from Within to “take our sins upon Himself,” just as the Christian Church has maintained for millennia.

What few realize, however, is that even if He did pay our debts for us, that would still not actually release us from our indebtedness. There's no such thing as a free lunch, even for Christians. When one bank takes over another, assuming all its debts, the accounts of the first bank's debtors are not wiped clean, but transferred to the second bank. In the same way, when Jesus paid our debts for us, we did not simply become debt-free, but now, instead of merely owing ourselves, we now owed Him.
He now had leverage over us.

We never imagined that such a thing was even possible. We didn't realize that we had this vulnerability, because we had hidden these debts from our own view. To be unconscious of a debt is to be unconscious of a weakness and a vulnerability. But He knew they were there, and realized that if He could pay off these debts for us, He would be, in effect, taking over the whole human race.
And once He did, the only choice we had left would be whether to look at it as a friendly bail-out or a hostile takeover.

Of course, I can offer little proof for this hypothesis other than a handful of ancient scriptural passages from the Bible, from the Gospel of Thomas and from other sacred scriptures (which many scholars now suggest are actually older and more authentic than the canonical texts). However, Jesus' solution, as described in such scriptures, fits right in with the pathology described by modern psychology and the binary soul doctrine. The expansion of Jesus' perfectly integrated mind throughout the universe, melding in the process to all other human minds, would have provided a perfect and elegant solution to humanity's ancient spiritual dilemma. His perfect integrity would have become our own. “Jesus said, ‘He who will drink from My mouth will become like Me. I myself will become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him’” (The Gospel of Thomas 108). But instead of revisiting those arguments here, I will merely point the interested reader to my earlier work, The Division of Consciousness, which explores this hypothesis in some depth.

I will say here, however, that we all ought to hope mightily that this hypothesis is correct, for the old path is not enough. The old path, which required us to individually achieve personal perfection and complete integrity, the path that Judaeo-Christian tradition calls “The Law of Moses,” or “The Law,” has plainly shown itself inadequate to our needs. Like communism, it seems like it would work if everyone followed it faithfully, but alas, that's the whole problem. We're not even faithful with ourselves, so how can we be expected to be faithful to anything else?
 
@Don Genaro ,

The concept of soul division is really something to ponder for me too. Also, the concept of "group sou"l is a reoccurring part of the sessions.

What few realize, however, is that even if He did pay our debts for us, that would still not actually release us from our indebtedness. There's no such thing as a free lunch, even for Christians. When one bank takes over another, assuming all its debts, the accounts of the first bank's debtors are not wiped clean, but transferred to the second bank. In the same way, when Jesus paid our debts for us, we did not simply become debt-free, but now, instead of merely owing ourselves, we now owed Him.
He now had leverage over us.

It is interesting that Peter Novak would use the same phrase that Laura emphasizes so many times, "There's no such thing as a free lunch".

The bank analogy is also an interesting way to look at who pays the debts. In this 3D duality, we are looking for a way as you put it to "integrate" the negative and positive parts of our souls. 1D through 4D seems to be where the dualities are acted upon and sorted out.

This integration/unity concept has been a central theme in many threads. I think and it touches on the meaning of such things as law vs love and division vs unity.

One example of this lack of integration seems to have been described by the Cs as the lack of a "magnetic center" as mentioned by Gurdjieff. Perhaps it is the lack of that central foundation that pulls together the negative and positive aspects of our being into a unified balanced whole that divides us and perpetuates strife and divisions among us.

Session 7 September 2013
Q: (L) Alright. I think probably what our group members, at least on the FOTCM forum, would be interested in knowing is: What was the deal with {name redacted}?

A: Personality clash.

Q: (L) Personality clash with me personally?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And what was the nature of this clash?

A: She wanted to dominate.

Q: (L) Weird way to dominate. Was her way of dominating by manipulating pity and all that sort of thing?

A: Isn't that usually the way? But notice the pity was reserved for the self.

Q: (L) Are you saying that it's something like narcissism?

A: Rampant!

Q: (L) Anything further than that, or deeper than that?

A: Usually a sign of those lacking a magnetic center.

Q: (L) Hmm. Is it kind of like this article I was re-reading the other day about endoskeletons versus exoskeletons where exoskeleton-type people according to this guy's theory are kind of like people who need rules on the outside because they're unable to integrate anything on the inside? {See: Moral Endo-skeletons and Exo-skeletons: A Perspective on America's Cultural Divide and Current Crisis -- Sott.net }

A: Close. What is inside is so infantile it cannot see beyond the self.

Perhaps it is not a problem that is easily solved without The Work on our internal "magnetic center". Without this internal regulation, we often seek to project our own will onto others or require external "laws" to keep us in check it seems. Love for others would perhaps have to start from our own balanced "magnetic center". Doing this "Work" is perhaps a way to pay for our own "lunch" and find that at some point we can also love our own being and project that outward to others.
 
Beautiful session!

Unification, especially in times like this, would seem a little far fetched, seeing how people are still falling for the old “ divide and conquer” trick. What will happen will be interesting none the less but I do believe that everyone will play their roles in this coming change and there will be balance. I often struggle because I am no saint ( no one is really) but I know what is in my heart and made my choice to walk this path, and boy is it hard!

Its sessions like this ( all sessions really) but this among the many is a good reminder of what we chose to be a part of. We are all making progress in what is called the “ work” and through this we are making a difference.

Thank you Laura & crew! Much love and blessings to everyone here!
 
Q: (J) Is swine flu going to make a comeback this winter?

A: Sure. They are working on drastic reduction of the population before climate change goes too far. Can't have all those starving people after their heads now can they?

Q: (J) I wonder if it's going to affect us?

A: With your diet?!?! Toxicity makes many more susceptible than during other pandemics. Why else do you think that such toxicity is allowed and even encouraged?
The gravitas of this cannot be overemphasised in the context of the coronavirus plandemic. @Pierre's excellent series of articles goes into more detail about this. However, it seems thus far that the data regarding the PTB's nefarious coronavirus activities points not to a drastic reduction of the population, but rather to population control 'tinkering', and trying to make people more obedient. Given that it's very possible, even probable, that dramatic climate change will occur even before the complete passing of the "Baby Boomer" generation, let alone "Generation X", this suggests that the PTB are now reliant on the push for 'vaccine passports' and a digital ID as 'Plan B' for maintaining control as things get increasingly more chaotic here on the BBM, osit.

Q: (L) Okay, what is the importance of Paleochristianity?

A: The only hope for the survival of your realm and species.

Q: (L) In what sense do you mean that?

A: Unification of aim: survival and avoidance of the destruction hanging over your heads as a consequence of the machinations of psychopathy.

Q: (L) So in other words, some of the thoughts and discussions that we've had over the past week or two {about the global situation} are pretty much on the money?

A: Yes. More or less. There has also been some nudging from this side. Time is getting "short" even though there really is no time. Remember what we said about being wise as serpents and gentle as doves.
Note that the C's referred to the importance of Paleochristianity as a "unification of aim" for "avoidance of the destruction hanging over [our] heads as a consequence of the machinations of psychopathy." This implies that we should study Paleochristianity as if our very lives depended on it, which they well might. @Laura's book, "Paleochristianity: From Paul to Mark" is therefore a must-read in order to understand at the deepest levels some of the details of this Aim.
 
However, it seems thus far that the data regarding the PTB's nefarious coronavirus activities points not to a drastic reduction of the population, but rather to population control 'tinkering', and trying to make people more obedient.
It could be worse, but more than tinkering, at least it seems they are moving in the direction of reduction:
Best of the Web: Study finds life expectancy of US men dropped by over TWO YEARS since lockdowns were introduced - 6 month drop recorded in other Western countries
The effects of what they have done in terms of the economy and the lives of people are far, far from over. At the same time, there is:
Q: (Pierre) When we asked months ago about the next big economic crisis, they said that it will start as usual with a manufactured crisis, but it will get out of hand. I was wondering if this pattern will be synchronous with the current sanitary situation? Fake pandemic, fake economic crisis, and then real pandemic and real economic crisis?

A: Sure. That's elementary dear Pierre!
And Session 18 September 2021
(Joe) There's a lot of articles in the past two weeks about rumors of food shortages this winter due to various reasons. It's not just high food prices, but food shortages. Lots of reasons are given: the Covid thing, destruction of business, fuel shortages, etc. Is that something that's likely to...?

A: Weather destruction of food sources has been covered up by fake news.

Q: (L) So it's worse than they let on?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) They're just holding back a flood, ya know? But it's gonna reach a breaking point.

(L) So, it's time for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse!

A: You can hear the hoof beats in the distance.
 
Something that may not even be noticeable to many, balance. If achieved, would be a worthy celebration that would resonate throughout the universe. And, would also send the Rats scurrying for cover.

October!
 
A: How about "Paleochristianity"?

The current definition of 'christ' means 'anointed'. I found it interesting that one is baptized with water but is anointed with oil. 'Paleo' also made me think of the 'paleo diet' which made me think of ketogenesis and a high oil diet.

Then:
A: People need to know about pathology as you call it. In former times it was often referred to as demonic possession. In some cases, they were right.

In @Pierre's 'virus book' thread he talks about "defective syncytin":

Schizophrenia is a documented effect of defective syncytin and there’s a growing body of scientific literature[30] [31] [32], seriously wondering if schizophrenia is not, at least in some cases, demonic possession: ...

So:
A: Yes. Hyperdimensional influences are often the cause of pathology. This can be due to influences at this level of reality including dietary and nurture.

A: Just as detoxing the body can lead to abundant health, so can detoxing the mind and environment lead to abundant life and happiness for all. But as was the "fall", it must be a group decision and the differences and pathological blocks to objective understanding must be removed.

By ingesting oils, do we lower our risk of susceptibility to hyperdimentional influences towards pathology and pathological blocks resulting in Schizophrenia?
 
Wow this session is so 2022. As they said there is no time but now time is short. I'm of two minds about I try to get through to those I know to see reality in a more objective way. At the same time I'm not sure I want to compromise any bodies free will. Not sure how much to press.
p.s. Just started reading Laura's book on Paleochristianity, my mind is spinning! If you haven't ordered the book I suggests you do!
 
I collapse and cry, everytime I ponder the sacrifice Christ Jesus made for us. GOD gave two invaluable gifts to Children of GOD: Life and Free-will. Life, to exist and Be. Free will, so we may learn truth and Never Never Ever Ever be interfere with the learning process, even by The Most High: GOD.

As GOD watched the Children turn to debauchery and self deception that would end their world over and over again; GOD prayed to the Children and Jesus was born. Jesus saw and experience the turmoil GOD was being put through, so he worked and became Christ. For the first and only time, I know of, Christ and GOD in communion of Free-Will with All, reminded us Forever(timeless) of our connection with The Most High; and also the possibilities of Truth, objective truth, our importance to a parent.

Someone might ask, didn't GOD violate Free will by having Jesus? I would say: No. As far as I know, if there was a rulebook for Free Will, it should have not much say in a child being born, and works his way up in a demented world, and "see's" the objective truth, and prays for guidance. What is the free will violation in part imo, was that Jesus became Christ'ed, and literally became the closest thing to GOD decending in our realm, thus the violation. One might even surmise, that someone being Christ in any given reality is almost a certainty then. A causal effect of self always serving self, and thus always creating and existing in a world of lies: aka evil. And those that would be on the receiving end of individuals serving self always. Once enough violations of others free will accumulates, the truth becomes how to serve self by also serving others always? fwiw
 
I collapse and cry, everytime I ponder the sacrifice Christ Jesus made for us. GOD gave two invaluable gifts to Children of GOD: Life and Free-will. Life, to exist and Be. Free will, so we may learn truth and Never Never Ever Ever be interfere with the learning process, even by The Most High: GOD.

As GOD watched the Children turn to debauchery and self deception that would end their world over and over again; GOD prayed to the Children and Jesus was born. Jesus saw and experience the turmoil GOD was being put through, so he worked and became Christ. For the first and only time, I know of, Christ and GOD in communion of Free-Will with All, reminded us Forever(timeless) of our connection with The Most High; and also the possibilities of Truth, objective truth, our importance to a parent.

Someone might ask, didn't GOD violate Free will by having Jesus? I would say: No. As far as I know, if there was a rulebook for Free Will, it should have not much say in a child being born, and works his way up in a demented world, and "see's" the objective truth, and prays for guidance. What is the free will violation in part imo, was that Jesus became Christ'ed, and literally became the closest thing to GOD decending in our realm, thus the violation. One might even surmise, that someone being Christ in any given reality is almost a certainty then. A causal effect of self always serving self, and thus always creating and existing in a world of lies: aka evil. And those that would be on the receiving end of individuals serving self always. Once enough violations of others free will accumulates, the truth becomes how to serve self by also serving others always? fwiw
It's hard to say but Jesus is a legend not real person. You may not accept this, I will understand. For many years of my life faith that Jesus is a son of a God and he is listening my prayers was only hope for me. I grew up to the "hard" truth, but "not all is lost" - search threads about Jesus on this forum - it will help to understand and accept reality.
 
It's hard to say but Jesus is a legend not real person. You may not accept this, I will understand. For many years of my life faith that Jesus is a son of a God and he is listening my prayers was only hope for me. I grew up to the "hard" truth, but "not all is lost" - search threads about Jesus on this forum - it will help to understand and accept reality.
Thanks for the lead, I've been meaning to catch up more and only got bits/threads from recent posts. I think my diatribe probably drown out what I was thinking to put on pen. The true unknown and unknowable is GOD, I believe, until/unless you have a complete All is One experience...not sure how that is possible, but GOD does. Christ is the journey, I think that is probably the simplest way to put it for every person and situation ever. To be able to live up to and exceed, knowing your parent unconditionally had no such limitations/expectations. I gush with pride, how I could live and be a individual example, of a child of GOD.
 
Being wise as serpents and gentle as doves,
is a variation of a saying from Matthew 10.16 which in the New Revised Standard Version reads:
See, I am sending you out like sheep into the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
In this Session 30 May 2009, the saying appeared at the end of the following discussion:
Q: (L) What's next?

A: How about "Paleochristianity"?

Q: (laughter) (L) Well since you brought it up... (J) You should respond with, "Now that's an interesting question!" (laughter) (L) What do you mean by Paleochristianity? (laughter) (L) Would you define Paleochristianity for us?

A: The knowledge of realms that all men comprehended before the "fall".

Q: (L) Why is it called Christianity? Isn't Christianity strictly related to Christianity as we know it?

A: Oh no! The word was co-opted and everything you know of as Christianity is distorted. For example, the earliest "Christ" was a woman.

Q: (L) Okay. Were the Bogomils and the Cathars - as I have surmised - close to understanding this original reality?

A: They had some very close approximations, but they were still influenced by many of the distorted religious ideas of the time.

Q: (L) Okay, what is the importance of Paleochristianity?

A: The only hope for the survival of your realm and species.

Q: (L) In what sense do you mean that?

A: Unification of aim: survival and avoidance of the destruction hanging over your heads as a consequence of the machinations of psychopathy.

Q: (L) So in other words, some of the thoughts and discussions that we've had over the past week or two {about the global situation} are pretty much on the money?

A: Yes. More or less. There has also been some nudging from this side. Time is getting "short" even though there really is no time. Remember what we said about being wise as serpents and gentle as doves.
The above "Remember what we said about", probably refers back to the following from Session 22 June 2002
A: It should be noted that the STS system can only be penetrated by becoming "wise as serpents and gentle as doves." There is nothing negative about networking. Details of a network include the necessity for those who are involved to invest "energy" in the exchange. If the individual comes upon the life work of another and expects to benefit and gain by that work, they will naturally wish to have their own position balanced by putting forth a commensurate amount of energy. Otherwise there will be an imbalance of energy. This then leads to an STS pyramid. An example of this principle in reverse is a teacher who demands payment for no real work on their own part.

The fact that both of you have devoted yourselves to this work for not just a short time, but literally your entire lives, and have not asked for the support that this intensive labor earns has, in effect, created an imbalance for those who are benefiting. Many of those who are experiencing blocks in their own lives would find those blockages dissolved by the action of opening the flow of energy in the exchange. In your world, money equals energy!!!
The Apostle Paul exemplified someone who was "being wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove":
Session 11 October 2014
(L) Was Paul the author of those things where he advised people to pay their taxes, render to Caesar and all this kind of stuff?

A: Partly, yes. But he was being wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove. What he wrote in his letters was the "milk", he only gave the meat in person.
Next, an excerpt that further illustrates the ability of Paul to be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove:
Session 7 February 2015
Q: (Perceval) What was the nature of Paul's vision?

A: He saw Caesar and thought it was a Jewish individual. However, he soon sorted things. Paul was desperately trying to save people and transform the world and so he "became all things to all people" when it served the aim. The group in Jerusalem were as much in his sights for salvation as anyone.

Q: (L) So if I get this right, what you're saying is that he may initially have thought that he was seeing a Jewish individual, but he quickly realized that it was not a Jewish individual because he was no dummy. And he knew that Simon of Perea had not died on the cross, that it was Caesar on the Trophaeum?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Nevertheless, he blended his Caesar with a Jewish guy for the sake of...

(Perceval) The group in Jerusalem?

(L) So in other words, he did this consciously?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) He had to tailor the message to the masses.

(L) So when he did this where the Jews were concerned, was he giving the same message to everybody?

A: No

Q: (L) Well, he clearly says that he becomes all things to all peoples. When he's with Jews, he's a Jew. When he's with Gentiles, he's a Gentile. But his main thing, and he said it: All he knows is Christ was crucified. And he develops his theology, which was a vision of a 4th density world, and he spends almost ZERO time whatsoever talking about any human being or historical person. I guess that was deliberate, that his focus was on the 4th density manifestation, and he completely ignored or de-emphasized deliberately any human individual? Is that kind of what he was doing?

A: Yes
 
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Q: (L) So if I get this right, what you're saying is that he may initially have thought that he was seeing a Jewish individual, but he quickly realized that it was not a Jewish individual because he was no dummy. And he knew that Simon of Perea had not died on the cross, that it was Caesar on the Trophaeum?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Nevertheless, he blended his Caesar with a Jewish guy for the sake of...

(Perceval) The group in Jerusalem?

(L) So in other words, he did this consciously?

A: Yes
That's surprising. If this bit of confusion had been cleared up soon after it happened then the "Judeo", would be gone from Judeo-Christianity and perhaps we would not see so many Jews in influential positions in governments worldwide, chief of these being the US. What a different, nearly unimaginable would this would have been. I can't help but wonder if some strange 'influence' pressured things toward this result - like all the seeming kismet in Reed's "The Controversy of Zion" at times when the Zionists needed a break. Nevertheless, without maintenance and vigilance, good things and ideas tend to be more and more distorted in this STS realm.
 
Being wise as serpents and gentle as doves,
is a variation of a saying from Matthew 10.16 which in the New Revised Standard Version reads:
Always interesting when a 10+ year old session jumps to current.

I thought about the above quote not origination version from the religious text but from the Cs sentiment. We don’t have to be at war or in the jungle as it is classified today to heed advice as its applicable to waking life in this time period (Ive been realizing the importance of time periods lately) but I do believe in order to understand/follow and practice what is said we need time living…not only to grasp the words put together in the quote but to apply them properly all why having a somewhat clean machine to also grasp the importance and to have the aptitude to remembering and will to integrate.

To me it’s a quote about how to properly plug in
 
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