Session 6 December 2025

It’s actually quite amazing that there’s a difference in what happens with energy if the two people having sex are in love and psychically connected.

I mean, so many dynamics and interactions in our reality are meant to drain our energy to 4D STS.

And here you have a biological practice between the sexes that can actually go either way. And the thing that determines which way it goes, is love.

It’s quite mind blowing. I think it’s easy to feel powerless and at the mercy of the lizzies. You know, they feed off us, we’re their food source and energy source. And yet, when two people are in love, then the lizzies can’t have the energy from their sex.

I guess the reason is because they cannot experience love of another, and so the energy that’s generated between the lovers is of a frequency that the lizzies are just not compatible with.

Fascinating.

Yes, I agree. It is amazing.
More than this, it is I think a potential opportunity to practice being STO (as much as is possible).

Love gives everything

Q: (T) You talk about both STO and STS. Yet you tell us that we need to learn to be STO. Why is there a difference between what we have to do and what you are doing?

A: STO is balance because you serve self through others.

Q: (T) You have said a couple of times that you are STS by being STO. Is this not true?

A: Yes. Already answered.

Q: (T) Kind of like: what goes around, comes around?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is STO a means to an end for STS?

A: No. STO is balance. STS is imbalance.

Q: (T) How can you be STS through STO if STS is imbalance?

A: STO flows outward and touches all including point of origin, STS flows inward and touches only origin point.

Q: (T) Well, they refer in the material that I am reading through, that they are STS through STO. (L) They serve self BY serving others. (T) Is that what they mean? (L) Yeah. (T) Is that what we're supposed to do, serve ourselves by serving others? (T) Yeah! Because what goes around, comes around. If you serve others then you get things back. (F) Because when you serve yourself, all there is is an infinite number of individuals serving self. (T) There is no energy exchange, no synergy within the group; there is no exchange. (F) Everything moves inward. (T) There is no sharing, no growth, there is no nothing. (F) No interconnecting. (T) Right! There is no learning.


Q: (L) Okay. Well, we have people working on this breathing and meditation program, and some people are having some unusual experiences physically, and other people are having extreme tiredness, and there's just really the whole gamut going on there. I guess there's really not a clear question about that because that's more or less what we expected: each person is in individual, and the way that they apply the program I guess depends on their level of knowledge...

A: It would be best if you could teach it directly. But under the circumstances with so many in such great need, and the system often restricting their funds and thus their ability to travel and compensate you for your time and energy, it is the best way so far. Some will find their creativity expanding and thus their ability to make more direct connections as a result of the practice!

Q: (L) Why do you say "their ability to compensate me for my time"?

A: We have spoken before about the necessity for energy to be balanced. It is correct for you to make this program available according to the individual ability to compensate. But all must remember that it is STO to GIVE [planchette circles board] ALL to those who ask. You have given all REPEATEDLY and many still do not understand the value nor do they compensatorily give in return. Those who have difficulties with the program may find that they are not giving "all". And that does not always mean money either. It can also mean commitment.
 
Open question to all: how much, in your opinion, does this imply a jeopardizing of the Chinese government?

I am unable to answer that question myself, but "above" means "above", so there is a hierarchical aspect at the level of power dynamics. I can't ignore this.

I understand that the session refers to a transnational network of individuals, and I know that this network acts via infiltration; it's usually found in banks, show-business, and "elite" positions. Where money and power are.

So, I was pondering the degree of independence of the Chinese government in regard of this "structure".

I feel comfortable with the idea that it is not proper than to bind the CCP with those events. The stuff is external to it, but the problem is that there may be infiltration.
It's mysterious to me too. In the West, especially in recent times, we have developed a fairly good idea as to how "eyes wide shut" activities take place. Back in the 90s, the Dutroux scandal in Belgium exposed the entire upper echelon of those in govt, media, the judicial system, police, the royal family, the wider aristocracy, secret societies, intelligence agencies (domestic and foreign), bankers, EU apparatchiks, etc.

'Scandal exposure' has since seen the pattern repeated in countless Western countries. And that's the just the really extreme 'sacrificial' stuff. This 'pan-Western deep state', pretty much, no longer operates from the shadows, regularly intervening in national and international affairs to publicly assassinate people, start and fuel wars, move mountains to obstruct and publicly humiliate Trump and other leaders, manipulate weather (in order to maximize terror and damage, the opposite of Chinese policy on that score), 'send messages' to leaders via terror attacks, conduct brazen 'pandemics', rig elections, etc.

In China, ostensibly, the CCP is all-powerful, and, today, the Chairman, Xi Jinping, is a particularly powerful head of the CCP. Corrupt party officials and billionaires who stray into 'unwanted' politics are ostracized, jailed, and even executed in China.

How does a perverse death cult "above the government" work in China? We'd have to get an idea of the extent of secret societies in China, and which institutions (government and/or private) they're known, or suspected, to work through. I guess a starting point is the 'Triads' organized crime syndicate? However, I'd have imagined the CCP has long since infiltrated those, not the other way around.

I would disagree with your statement that the CCP is not linked to those events: they are involved neck deep.
If they were not involved, why would they censor the whole thing as much and as deeply as they did?
They, or some clique within the CCP, could well be, but you're assuming that their 'complicity in the cover-up' implies participation and guilt. Is the Trump White House "neck deep involved" in the New Jersey 'UFO-drones', the L.A. 'wildfires', the assassination of Kirk, the mass shootings, the Epstein blackmail/pedo-ring scandal? No, but they're doing their damnedest to keep a lid on information about them from coming out.
Wouldn't they want to find the guilty and prosecute them? It would make them look good in the eyes of the population, don't you think? Showing themselves as the savior and upholder of justice. That's what they do when it fits their agenda. But in this case, they had to shut everything down as fast as they could, because the case blew up like a powder keg
Wouldn't Trump exposing the CIA death cult for all its crimes, past and present, make him and MAGA look good in the eyes of the population? But we know he doesn't because he can't. Similarly, maybe the problem is that the CCP isn't as powerful as we assumed it is?
Some CCP members are complicit with the murderers by being their right hands, their eyes, their ears, their money, and their law. Above the government means those secret societies hold the government like a puppy on a leash, and the puppy must obey. Some individuals in the CCP are corrupted to the bone and yield so much power that they think they are above everything and everyone. Some might even be part of those societies...
This, for me, is the mystery. What secret societies?! What does a 'deep state' in China look like?

And, if it, or they, are "above the government," do they intermingle with, and maybe even 'interbreed with', the transnational elite we know sits atop the Western world? Or is it, more or less, 'just Chinese' and simply 'does sacrificial stuff' because that's what STS-loving elitist pervs are programmed to do the world over?

Also, does this network stray beyond 'following a sacrificial calendar' and meddle in Chinese government policy? Is this influence significant? What might that mean for the (outwardly-appearing) titanic clash of 'US as STS HQ forever' vs 'multipolarity'?

Maybe a starting point is to get an overview of Chinese netizens' most popular conspiracy theories? How do they 'see the unseen'?
 
This, for me, is the mystery. What secret societies?! What does a 'deep state' in China look like?

Probably similar to the West/elsewhere. Unelected career bureaucrats, often called Whitehall "mandarins" in the UK. Why that term? Because it draws a direct analogy to the mandarins of imperial China - highly educated, meritocratically selected scholar-bureaucrats who formed a powerful, permanent administrative elite.

Grok says

The modern British civil service was reformed in the mid-19th century by the Northcote–Trevelyan Report (1854), which introduced open competitive examinations to replace patronage with merit-based recruitment. This reform was explicitly inspired by the ancient Chinese imperial examination system (known as the keju), which had been admired by British observers for promoting talent over nepotism.

As a result, senior UK civil servants — permanent, politically neutral, highly educated administrators who provide continuity and policy advice across changing governments — came to be nicknamed "mandarins" in the late 19th or early 20th century. The term highlights parallels in selection by exam, intellectual rigor, influence behind the scenes, and perceived elitism or insularity.

That said, there's no reason to automatically assume that the faction in China interferes with Chinese govt. policy to the extent they do in the West. The Cs have said that the "center of STS" is in the USA. Outlier factions elsewhere may not have the ability to exert as much control as those in the West. Doesn't mean they don't engage in some depraved acts though.
 
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Do they mean that killing him released some form of energy, and it's that energy that triggered all those 4 weird weather/animal events?

Probably the opposite, the negative energy on the planet reached a peak then (or something like that) so those aligned with that energy "decided" that was a good time. The natural events were a natural environmental symptom of that negative energy.
 
meadow_wind said:
Do they mean that killing him released some form of energy, and it's that energy that triggered all those 4 weird weather/animal events?

Probably the opposite, the negative energy on the planet reached a peak then (or something like that) so those aligned with that energy "decided" that was a good time. The natural events were a natural environmental symptom of that negative energy.

A bit of wild speculation, but for all we know, the environmental events could have been worse if the sacrifice hadn’t happened (or at least, maybe the perpetrators justify it to themselves that way).

Hmm. Isn’t there something in the transcripts (or it might have been a different source than the C’s) that talked about STO refusal to be manipulated by STS, and it was like a contradiction because in that scenario the STO side aren’t giving what is asked, and so there’s a loss of energy.

I wonder if the sacrifice ‘down here’ (an innocent person losing their life) is a reflection of something happening ‘up there’ (4D battle with STO losing energy through refusal).

In that sense, the weather events down here would be indicative of the battle in general.

(Added) If this idea is anything close to true, it may give us a deeper understanding of things like the Palestinian genocide, or the deaths of innocent individuals, for that matter.
 
I have little questions about bibliography.

Does Albert Pike's “Morals and Dogma” give a deep, valid and complete introduction to Freemasonry? Why does it contradict Yarker's “The Arcane Schools?”

Arthur Edward Waite (1857–1942) has written “A New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry,” a big one should I say, and another book: “The Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross.” Do you know if he was in both Orders?

@Possibility of Being: In the former book, on p. xxxv of the introduction it says:



We thus enter into a curious contradiction with what I.F.H. claims about the membership of the Liberators, unless we make the bold assumption that José de San Martín was the only Rosicrucian and Bolívar the Latomi.

@LVX in Tenebris: in the latter book, with vast chapters dedicated to Alchemy, it does not name Fulcanelli, Pierre Dujols and ignores the guiding Adept behind the plural author. Could it have something to do with Canseliet's suggestion that Fulcanelli was a Knight Templar?

BTW, is it known the authorship of “A Proposal for Humbling Spain?” It was a British pamphlet wrote by a “Person of Distinction,” outlining a strategic plan for Great Britain to seize control of Buenos Aires and the Río de la Plata region to cripple Spanish power, dominate South American trade, and control the routes from Potosí, significantly weakening Spain's economic and colonial dominance.
Hi @panoptix,

There are so many questions here, so I will do my best to answer them all.



1) Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma​

Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma is only about the AASR (Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite) in the United States. In Freemasonry, it is well known that there are two AASR jurisdictions in the US that oversee different states: the Northern Jurisdiction, which oversees 15 states, and the Southern Jurisdiction, which oversees the remaining 35 states. To my knowledge, Pike’s Morals and Dogma relates to the Southern Jurisdiction, and it must be remembered that although the AASR is broadly similar worldwide, there are certain differences not only between countries but also between jurisdictions.

For example, an AASR Mason in the Northern Jurisdiction may have experienced Freemasonry slightly differently from an AASR Mason in the Southern Jurisdiction.

Also, in the US it is known that the AASR system in general differs from what we have in the UK or Europe. Therefore, I don’t think it would be my place to comment on how complete Pike’s work is. However, since he is a “popular” Mason in the US, I hope his work is helpful and relevant to the truth.

There is one more important point that everyone interested in Freemasonry should know: Freemasonry is NOT only about the AASR. For example, in England and Wales there are many other orders that differ from the AASR (or what is called the Free and Accepted Rite here):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...nic_appendant_bodies_in_England_and_Wales.jpg

Therefore, another reason why Pike’s work does or can not give an overall perspective on Freemasonry is simply because his work is heavily focused on the AASR. Lastly, another reason I believe Pike’s work may not provide a complete introduction to Freemasonry is that the AASR or Free and Accepted Rite is not part of Antient and Pure Masonry. I know the Cs told us that the 33rd degree is over 7,000 years old, but still that means only the 7th class (Supreme Council) is that old:
AASR

This means (in my opinion) that since the AASR is not part of Pure and Antient Masonry and was officially introduced in the 1800s, Pike’s work may not give an overall picture of Pure and Antient Masonry. Simply put, the AASR is not as old as the Craft or the Holy Royal Arch. Hence, a book about AASR will not cover Pure and Antient Masonry.

Regarding John Yarker’s book (The Arcane Schools), as I understand it, he talks about how Freemasonry was formed and its history. Since I haven’t read his book, I can’t comment directly on his work, but he seems a bit “romantic,” as we call it. This usually means a Mason who believes Freemasonry is related to Ancient Egypt or even older traditions. If that is the case, it is always recommended to be careful, as there is a lot of speculation about the ancient antiquity of Freemasonry.

FYI, there are different types of historians within Freemasonry. Although not official terms, Romantics are those who link Freemasonry to ancient mystery schools of Egypt, Sumer, Greece, and so on—and some even go further back to Atlantis, Lemuria, etc. These claims should be taken with a grain of salt (as you would agree).

The rational or academic historians usually trace Freemasonry back to the medieval guilds of operative masons and their written records, such as the Regius Poem or Cooke Manuscript. This makes more sense, as most of the earliest teachings and records of Masonry come from these operative guilds (There are still some older ones, but we aren't sure if they are Masonic or not).

There are also, if I remember correctly, Revisionists, who argue that Freemasonry as we know it today was formed in the 18th century with the 1723 Constitutions (as @MJF would probably agree). They claim that modern Speculative Masonry has little or nothing to do with the ancient operative masons.

So, long story short: I haven’t read The Arcane Schools, but if you do, keep in mind that there are many competing claims about the origins of Freemasonry—and as you and many others would agree, the further back you go, the blurrier it becomes.




2) About A. E. Waite and his affiliations​

A. E. Waite was a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and as you probably know better than I do, he was one of the creators of the famous Rider–Waite Tarot deck.

Since he was part of the HOGD, we can reasonably conclude that he was a Rosicrucian, and based on his work and mindset, that assumption would not be wrong.

Also, based on information available online, he was a member of SRIA (Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia), which only accepts Master Masons. This means he must also have been a Freemason.

Regarding the books you mentioned, I haven’t read them, but again, I would advise caution—especially when it comes to claims about the history of Freemasonry. Do not forget that he was also a Rosicrucian of the SRIA (which is a small and relatively unpopular Masonic order in England and Wales), and his writings may be heavily influenced by his personal views rather than strict historical facts. You may find more information suggesting he is a bit “shady” here:
The Masonic Career of A. E. Waite

Lastly, since the Cs have said that Rosicrucians and Illuminati are essentially the same, we should be extra vigilant about what Rosicrucians say:

Cassiopaean Session Transcripts Search

Q: (L) Are the Rosicrucians connected to the Masons?
A: In a roundabout way.

Q: (L) Are the Illuminati connected to the Rosicrucians in any way?
A: Same.

Interestingly, the Rosicrucian–Illuminati connection is also known among Masons, and as I mentioned in my reply to @MJF, more Masons are aware of and admit this than people might expect. Below are screenshots from one of my favourite books, written by Alistair Lees, a member of my Mother Lodge and also a member of SRIA.

Please see the screenshots below to understand what he says about Freemasonry, SRIA, the Illuminati, and Theosophists (apologies for the image quality). Even as a Freemason and Rosicrucian, my brother Alistair admits the connections of Illuminate and Rosicrucians and how much influence they had in Freemasonry.

Lastly, remember what the Cs said about how the Illuminati were corrupted (infiltrated) by Frankish Cabalists (also note that they said "yes" to some Freemason lodges being infiltrated, but NOT all):

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Q: (Pierre) About the French Revolution: behind it, was the main ideological force Frankish Cabalism?
A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Did Frankish Cabalists infiltrate Weishaupt’s Illuminati and some Freemason lodges?
A: Yes

Lastly, although I sometimes disagree with him (and find him weird, LOL), you may wanna watch the video of Leo Zagami on Youtube. He was a Freemason too (and still is I think) and he talks about how many times and how the Freemason lodges were derailed or infiltrated by the Illuminati. For example, wathc this one:
and here is his English channel


3) About South American “Liberators” and esoteric orders​

I don’t have much knowledge about Latin American liberators or how they were connected to Freemasonry or the Illuminati.

That said, in my humble opinion, Latin America seems to have a much more active esoteric scene than people would expect—especially Brazil (for example, research the mindset of Dom Pedro II). I also believe the Illuminati mindset is quite active in Latin America, with many Hermetic, Rosicrucian, and other so-called mystery schools.

Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these so-called “liberators” were actually agents of the Control System, and that their actions helped shape Latin America into its current state (again, Cs would probably agree as I remember from some of the transcripts- "they are in kahoots").




4) About Fulcanelli’s absence in Waite’s work​

I haven’t read Waite’s books, so I can’t comment definitively on why Fulcanelli is missing. However, it may simply be because Waite did not know of him at the time. Waite lived from 1857 to 1942, whereas Fulcanelli only began to appear in the 1920s. Also consider Fulcanelli’s secrecy, his lack of concern for fame, and the fact that his first book was published in 1926 by Eugène Canseliet.

Since Fulcanelli has no confirmed real name, no image, only two books, and originally wrote in French, it’s not surprising that Waite may not have known about him—especially since Fulcanelli is not as historically established as figures like Agrippa or Flamel.

Lastly, since Waite appears “a bit” shady and perhaps even a con artist, similar to Count St Germain (as Laura has suggested), it may simply be that he didn’t know what he was talking about in this area. If so, it’s not surprising that he lacked knowledge of the “real alchemists.”

As for the claim that Fulcanelli was a Knight Templar, I truly have no idea. However, if we assume Fulcanelli was a genuine alchemist (as suggested in The Secret History of the World), then even if he wasn’t a Templar, he probably had some knowledge of them.

That said, I’m also unsure how we should view the Templars themselves. According to some non-Masonic and Masonic historians, the Templars were founders of the Illuminati. So I don’t know whether it would be good or bad if Fulcanelli was a Templar—but that’s another topic entirely.




5) Author of “A Proposal for Humbling Spain”​

Sorry, mate — I have no idea about that one.
 

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@LVX in Tenebris: Thank you for your attitude and contribution to the forum.

I'd like to share with you what I've learned about Freemasonry's structure, doctrines, and internal variations. Kindly correct me any bias you see. (There is a large one more explanatory in the thread of @MJF about Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucian, which is based on a few vis-à-vis exchanges with members and “knighted ones” of the Order.)

The initial three degrees (referred to as Blue or symbolic) serve as a superficial initiation, conveying generic or biased information without revealing core Masonic teachings. True doctrinal knowledge is accessible only to a small minority —less than 10 percent of members— who advance to higher branches: the York Rite (described as “left,” with Royal Arch elements, emphasizing secrecy, Gnostic influences, intellectualism, and a pro-British orientation) or the Scottish Rite (described as “right,” with 30 degrees, more published materials, often used for networking, and aligned with pro-French democratic ideals).

Approximately 90 percent of Freemasons remain unaware of the organization's deeper content, functioning primarily as a support base for the elite few. But each Orient, each Grand Lodge, and each Lodge tends to be a world apart, and people can acquire different amounts of knowledge; so, is it correct to speak of “Freemasonries” in the plural? This emphasizes the diversity within Freemasonry, influenced by factors such as location, leadership, and lodge specifics, leading to variations including deistic, secular, Gnostic, Hermetic, speculative, operative, Christian-oriented, anti-ecclesiastical, or Islam-influenced forms.

As for the claim that Fulcanelli was a Knight Templar, I truly have no idea. However, if we assume Fulcanelli was a genuine alchemist (as suggested in The Secret History of the World), then even if he wasn’t a Templar, he probably had some knowledge of them.
If you can read Spanish, a few years ago appeared: Una lectura masónica a las enseñanzas de Fulcanelli. And in 2016, appeared the digital edition of “Las Cuatro Alas del Mercurio” from Apiano León de Valiente and Sandra Maitri.

That said, in my humble opinion, Latin America seems to have a much more active esoteric scene than people would expect—especially Brazil (for example, research the mindset of Dom Pedro II). I also believe the Illuminati mindset is quite active in Latin America, with many Hermetic, Rosicrucian, and other so-called mystery schools.
Yes, we agree. In fact, Willy Schrödter's “Geheimkunste de Rosenkreuzer” (1954) was published as “A Rosacrucian Notebook” (1992) in English and was first translated in Brazil as “Escritos Rosacruzes” by the Eleusi publishing house in 1995. Meanwhile, the Spanish edition only appeared in 2022 as “Un Cuaderno Rosacruz” with the addition of the long-lost French work Le Rapport Fulcanelli: ou la fin d’un mythe.

BTW, Jacques Vallée wrote in Confrontations (1990) the deadly activities of the “Chupas,” in Colares (Pará, Bahía de Marajó) which once I translated from the original in English to Spanish (and now again to English, sorry if it isn't exact, but my digital copy of the book isn't OCRed):
Confrontations - ch. XV - Ground Truth - pp. 220-226 said:
There was nothing elusive about these objects. They were not the ephemeral aerial phenomena commonly described in North American literature; nor were they dreamlike experiences of contactees. [...] What was seen in Colares was simply a monumental display of advanced technology, and all humans could do was film it and watch it in awe. [...]

The evidence now obtained from powerful nations was so clear and had such devastating consequences for the future of military systems that the final decision was to keep everything under wraps and entrust the study to highly specialized groups with rigidly compartmentalized access. In my opinion, the work of these groups is destined to fail, as it has been since 1953, despite all the resources invested and despite the absurd disinformation campaign that surrounded the matter to keep the truth from the public. Fundamental truth: what happened in that village in Brazil can happen again anywhere, tomorrow. I hate to think that it will find us unprepared. Again.

And the Cs reinforced it:
Q: (L) Well, anyhow, if y'all try to find it, by the time we get to that question, I'll have a map to look at, because I am always curious when people make these declarative statements and they claim they attach proof. Okay, Altair again:

(Altair) There is a book 'UFO Danger Zone: Terror & Death in Brazil' by Bob Pratt. He writes, "Since the 1970s and probably much earlier, terrible things have been done to people in Brazil, perhaps more so than in all other countries combined. And these cosmic muggings are still occurring. To my knowledge, it is only in Brazil, not neighbouring countries or the United States or any other nation in the world that UFOs have been so overtly hostile." My questions: Why were 4D STS so aggressive with Brazilians? Several people were injured or killed.
A: There are many Brazilians involved in questionable practices that attract and give permission for such violations in the specific areas.


Q: (L) Questionable practices, such as?
(Chu) Black magic.
(L) Is some of it black magic?
A: Yes

Q: (L) Stuff like voodoo?
A: Yes

Q: (L) Stuff like spirit worship or calling on spirits?
A: Yes

Q: (L) Anything else?
A: Drugs.

Q: (L) Drugs like ayahuasca?
A: Yes

Q: (L) Does using ayahuasca leave a person open to violation by 4D STS?
A: Can.
 
How does a perverse death cult "above the government" work in China? We'd have to get an idea of the extent of secret societies in China, and which institutions (government and/or private) they're known, or suspected, to work through.
Geopolitics is not my forte, so I'm far from a specialist in this branch of information. You guys are much more knowledgeable than I am. But, from the little research I've done on Yu's case, the people linked to it, and the structure of things, I would say you can do a "copy-paste" from the West and apply it to the East, that should be close to how things are, with slight variations, but overall, humans are all the same (they want money, power and sex), and the illuminaties run the show worldwide.

Why would 9 actors from the same agency die in similar obscure circumstances?
That agency is the only state-owned agency.
This agency is also a money laundering machine: many actors, such as Yu, are/were used to register as many as 50 companies under their name. The phone # used for the registration is always the same number and refers to someone else from that agency.

Long story short, 2 names kept coming up in discussions before being scrubbed from platforms almost immediately. Both are suspected of being the illegitimate sons of Cai Qi, one of China's 7 most powerful officials (the guy is in charge of ideology, propaganda, and censorship for the entire country). One of them managed (controlled) Yu's career, trapped him under restrictive contracts, and much worse...
List of people allegedly involved in Yu's murder.
 
Hmm. Isn’t there something in the transcripts (or it might have been a different source than the C’s) that talked about STO refusal to be manipulated by STS, and it was like a contradiction because in that scenario the STO side aren’t giving what is asked, and so there’s a loss of energy.
Perhaps I didn't understand your question correctly; so, I hope this helps: in Dark Robes, Dark Brothers (1981), Hilarion said that in order to get the “Gift of the Soul,” Humanity had fallen from the Edenic State.

In illo tempore, according to this source, Humans did not know death. The discussion traces the origin of the Fall to astral entities that interbred with early humans hundreds of thousands of years ago, resulting in mutations including the acquisition of individual souls, which introduced death and permanence to human existence (the reincarnational scheme). Prior to this, humans lacked dense physicality (so, was the Edenic State a class of 4D existence?), sustained indefinitely by atmospheric Xenon (Hilarion, like Walter Russell, places great importance on noble gases as restorative agents of body health) and the absence of negative emotions (Robert Monroe's Loosh), which are identified as primary causes of aging and illness.

In order to interfere, chapter II provides examples of such negotiated exchanges to illustrate the structured approval process between White and Black orientations, emphasizing that interference is not unilateral but requires balanced concessions:
In order to allow the Dark Brotherhood to carry out its function, it is necessary to allow its members –under certain conditions– to gain access to other planes and regions that are normally denied them. The permission, however, must be properly requested and then granted. The matter is never solely up to the Dark Brothers themselves. When the Dark Brotherhood asks to be allowed into a given plane, it must present its reasons, and it must offer something in return to the White Brotherhood, which is the broad term defining the Spiritual Hierarchy of this planet. [...] Generally, any specific request coming from the Dark Brotherhood and which involves actions or access normally not allowed them, must be accompanied by an offer of equivalent advantage for the White Brotherhood. These offers are then considered by the Hierarchy, which may or may not give its assent to the exchange. The final decision is made at a very high plane, effectively beyond the level of any commitment to one side or the other.

It looks like a chess game, doesn't it? And the Cs have said:
Q: (L) I want you guys to know that I sometimes feel a wee tiny bit like a pawn on a chessboard!
A: You should, you inhabit 3rd density STS environment.

Q: (L) I was at least hoping that if I was a pawn, that some of the players were good guys. Is that asking too much?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) To which statement?
A: Good guys don't play chess.

But if you see the highlighted text, it said: “The final decision is made at a very high plane (6D?), effectively beyond the level of any commitment to one side or the other,” so we can infer that STS has more than one faction, but it is the Forces of Balance (STO) that ultimately give the final verdict and approval.
 
(so, was the Edenic State a class of 4D existence?)
3D with some bi-density according to transcripts.

Session 14 September 2022 :

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Q: (Atriedes) They once said something about bi-density beings. They were like hybrids between 4th density beings and a 3rd density being. Or could such an individual be a genetically enhanced human?

A: Humans were once "bi-density." And some may be again in the natural way. Those of 4D STS "manufacture" are similar. Just think of them as a type of OP with souped up engines.

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