Session 6 December 2025

[flashgordonv]

yes i do; i see it bothers you. lol


absolutely ! ... but it's an opinion, SocioA, so who gives a flying fart ? besides you ? in fact if you look back a few months where i expressed an opinion about Charlie you will read where i followed up with an admission that opinion was formed without the awareness of additional evidence - to wit, i further revised that opinion after even more evidence was provided.

have you, SocioA, considered that you've bitten off more than you can chew here trying to make me look like a bad guy just because i've challenged a statement on this forum ?


anything ? anything

dude you're projecting and speculating about my rational for stating my opinion. sounds like you have a very strong opinion about my opinion ! hahahha !


strongly attached ? do you mean, like with glue or duct-tape ?
you've never been involved with research, investigation, or any field work, have you SocioA, because if you had, you'd realize what you just said, given the scope of the question and the resulting answer. good try.

what about those occasions, for example, when the questioners were asking about Caesar - there were follow up questions then ? there are likely many many more examples. another good try bud !

"food for thought" ?? what is that ? do you mean a condiment ... like ketchup ? (you see what i did there SocioA ? hahaha)

reservations ? like, at a restaurant ?
good grief man ! i said "over a decade ago" ! this means, SocioA, that prior to that date i did not have any qualms about the material, sooooo... why would that change, eh ?


i gave an opinion based on my observation over three decades.

and i stand by it.

there were no personal or familial accusations, just your attempt to put words in my mouth; what you infer from my comment is what you infer - and i said "creative fiction", so get it right.

have you heard the saying: " there are two types of people:1) those who can extrapolate from incomplete data " ? which one are you ?



have any other of my posts shown i was critical of the C's comments ?
no.
i'm curious, SocioA, are you some kind of professional intellectual ?



whoa, hang on, you've just been beating me up and now you're telling me that my comments are "fine" ? wtf dude ???


it's like Costco, i come here for the freebees.
soooo ... you... don't want me here ? ...



oh fffs dude. do you realize what an utter jackass you look like because you didn't like that i disagreed with the narrative ?

i can't give this anymore energy, so good night SocioA ... i better quit before the 'ol lady yells at me to take this to some other forum.

SocioA, most times it's best to keep your stick on the ice, and your gloves on, cheers bud, i admire your attempt to stand up for your others.

Well, that was rude and abusive. Not how we normally discuss matters on the forum. Clearly you are super invested in your opinion, enough that you would try to disparage somebody pointing out where you might be off. And yes, your comments about the C's and Laura are enough to make one wonder why you are still here. This could be a great opportunity for you to re-read your post and learn something about your self - self -observation in action. Or, you could ignore it and remain confident that you are right and all who disagree are wrong.

 

[flashgordonv]

Well, that was rude and abusive. Not how we normally discuss matters on the forum. Clearly you are super invested in your opinion, enough that you would try to disparage somebody pointing out where you might be off. And yes, your comments about the C's and Laura are enough to make one wonder why you are still here. This could be a great opportunity for you to re-read your post and learn something about your self - self -observation in action. Or, you could ignore it and remain confident that you are right and all who disagree are wrong.

Or what you could do is , first work out a list of questions that for you would clarify matters around the moon landing and submit them for inclusion in the next session. Then you could attend the next session and be available to ask ancillary questions based on the Cs answers. That would be a respectful path forward, assuming you were prepared to make the effort.

 

[life]

that was really interesting Brewer, thank you for sharing the photos too !

 

[life]

Or what you could do is , first work out a list of questions that for you would clarify matters around the moon landing and submit them ...

sounds like a great idea, thank you for the suggestion

 

[Ghazi18]

Thanks for the session Laura & crew! This was very informational!

 

[Professor Chaos]

I never delved particularly deep into this topic but it interested me enough to read the stuff I bumped into and snoop around it a bit. But I've never heard or read of any reports, hints, or anything that would imply the astronauts revealed anything about it. I wonder how they silenced them to keep this hush so successfully. And I'm also super curious to know what that altered reality was!

I think Buzz Aldrin was the one who mentioned life being 'something that probably exists in the depths of the universe'. So if they had seen aliens, he would have been using a white lie. But maybe he also denies that he could have seen anything. Though he claims believing in their existence.
It probably wasn't difficult to convince them - even without threats. Look at the panic caused by the broadcast about the Martian invasion (later parodied in the Tim Burton's comedy 'Mars Attacks!' as if it had really happened): Orson Welles' famous 'The War of the Worlds' radio play, which was mistaken for a true account of the invasion. Mass hysteria ensued. Even if it's exaggerated, I think that argument might have been enough in the '60s/'70s. Space travel fired the imagination. I think for the astronauts themselves, especially if they were unprepared, such a sight was mind-blowing, because they didn't expect them to actually be there, and just a stone's throw away (nomen omen). Maybe we haven't been pushing ourselves into space since then because of that, after all?
The question is whether NASA knew about the aliens. Then again, who would know if not they? But just recently, during a UFO conference, they were spouting nonsense that they hadn't detected any contact. I think some sections of the staff might not know – something like yellow and red access levels, etc. Some are probably in the know, others are being lied to. So, technically speaking, they're not lying when they say they didn't detect anything.The astronauts - perhaps they were psychologically tested. Perhaps they were adequately prepared for the eventuality.I think there was an audio recording of them seeing something - Aldrin later attributed this to a part of the rocket.The same Aldrin punched someone in the face because of allegations that the landing was a hoax. By the way, nowadays officials no longer call them UFOs; they call them UAPs. That means if you Google anything, you'll see old information.
My information suggests that (taking into account conferences on aliens and increasingly frequent statements from active officials and the military) we'll hear more officially within a year. This will likely coincide with the peak of artificial intelligence development. This is just speculation, but I've been interested in this long enough to believe so. Besides, I've heard hypotheses that alien vehicles are largely created by artificial intelligence. After all, the grays themselves are, to a certain extent, AI. This is taking place on Earth in the Pacific Ocean - our 'dark side of the Moon', which no one takes into account. And the increased observations are linked to global events, such as the end of World War II, the formation of the European Union, the war in Ukraine, perhaps even a world war.

 

[Daf]

Thank you guys for the session. What I found interesting is the confirmation that they really went to the moon... I was certain that they did not or at least not with the advertised 1960 technology with missing blueprints... So the truth seems to be somewhere in between.
Merry Xmas all and stay strong.

 

[Bernardo GA]

T.C. said:

Pages 9-10:

[Quoted text removed for shortness]

This whole quote is full of red flags.

Thank you for pointing out. Definitely, networking is a plus.

Not only is it an advantage, but networking may be the only way we have to grow in knowledge.

Okay, I understand why you mentioned the book, now. It might have been a good idea on your part to reference the specific area or areas of the book that you thought were pertinent to the discussion, since when I started to read it, I was then obligated to warn and inform the other forum members of the kinds of ideas it contained.

No, I hesitate to being spoon-fed or spoon-feed others. Here we have a phrase that I find difficult to translate, but its essence would be: “gold shines brighter when it's removed from the mud.” I think the Cs in the session of 5 December 1994 told the same in their very diplomatic way:

Laura said:
A: Please understand, we are not here to lead you by the hand, because, that would interfere with your free will, which is how you learn, which is how you progress.

First of all, thank you Panoptix for sharing material that you consider interesting to study, or useful in some way.
I think that the comments by TC and others here regarding this material do not detract from the learning of others, that is, others who have not read this material.
In fact, any of us is free to read it and draw our own conclusions.

The point I want to make regarding your comment, in my opinion, is that in this case it is not a matter of giving others everything on a silver platter, or leading them by the hand.

Simply put, networking includes helping each other preserve our energy. In every sense, but in this case I am referring to the energy required to read, read a lot, study, analyze, discern, etc.

And a team is a team. A group that lives and develops as a single organism or body.
Therefore, if a member of that team has put a lot of their own energy into, for example, reading extensive materials, reflecting on that material, etc., by sharing the fruits of their efforts with the group, the whole group benefits.

One person alone cannot read everything there is to read.
In short, to make better use of our work energy, it is always good to take into account what is said here in the forum about this or that material. Especially what is said by those who are clearly more advanced in knowledge.

Regarding the specific topic being discussed here, I read something many years ago. I can't say for sure if I read all of that material in its entirety, because in my memory it's all mixed up with a lot of misinformation.
That was at a time when a lot of New Age stuff made me believe that I was awake.

What I basically remember is that the author claimed to belong to a group called “The Invisible College” (the good guys). According to him, this group is the opponent of another group called “The Theocrats” (the bad guys).

As this discussion progressed, with contributions from TC, Pop Historian, and others, I began to remember quite a bit about that reading from years ago.
I fully agree with the observations and warnings they are making about the material in question.
And I cannot judge the author, much less know his intentions, since any of us can be used when we don't work in a network.

I myself suspect that I was a useful idiot before joining this forum. And the deprogramming continues.
Knowledge protects!

 

[MJF]

I think Buzz Aldrin was the one who mentioned life being 'something that probably exists in the depths of the universe'. So if they had seen aliens, he would have been using a white lie. But maybe he also denies that he could have seen anything. Though he claims believing in their existence.
It probably wasn't difficult to convince them - even without threats. Look at the panic caused by the broadcast about the Martian invasion (later parodied in the Tim Burton's comedy 'Mars Attacks!' as if it had really happened): Orson Welles' famous 'The War of the Worlds' radio play, which was mistaken for a true account of the invasion. Mass hysteria ensued. Even if it's exaggerated, I think that argument might have been enough in the '60s/'70s. Space travel fired the imagination. I think for the astronauts themselves, especially if they were unprepared, such a sight was mind-blowing, because they didn't expect them to actually be there, and just a stone's throw away (nomen omen). Maybe we haven't been pushing ourselves into space since then because of that, after all?
The question is whether NASA knew about the aliens. Then again, who would know if not they? But just recently, during a UFO conference, they were spouting nonsense that they hadn't detected any contact. I think some sections of the staff might not know – something like yellow and red access levels, etc. Some are probably in the know, others are being lied to. So, technically speaking, they're not lying when they say they didn't detect anything.The astronauts - perhaps they were psychologically tested. Perhaps they were adequately prepared for the eventuality.I think there was an audio recording of them seeing something - Aldrin later attributed this to a part of the rocket.The same Aldrin punched someone in the face because of allegations that the landing was a hoax. By the way, nowadays officials no longer call them UFOs; they call them UAPs. That means if you Google anything, you'll see old information.
My information suggests that (taking into account conferences on aliens and increasingly frequent statements from active officials and the military) we'll hear more officially within a year. This will likely coincide with the peak of artificial intelligence development. This is just speculation, but I've been interested in this long enough to believe so. Besides, I've heard hypotheses that alien vehicles are largely created by artificial intelligence. After all, the grays themselves are, to a certain extent, AI. This is taking place on Earth in the Pacific Ocean - our 'dark side of the Moon', which no one takes into account. And the increased observations are linked to global events, such as the end of World War II, the formation of the European Union, the war in Ukraine, perhaps even a world war.

Right from its inception, NASA may have known about the existence of aliens since the US military, the CIA and the FBI had been collecting data on UFO (now UAP) sightings for many years prior to NASA's creation, although the official response had always been to debunk such sightings (e.g., through the US Air Force's 'Project Blue Book' and the 1968 Condon Report - which concluded that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis (ETH) was not useful in explaining the sightings). However, NASA had evidently considered the wider issues surrounding the possibility of discovering aliens or alien artefacts during their missions and the potentially negative effect disclosing such evidence might have on the general public when it commissioned the 'Brookings Report' in 1960, otherwise known as the Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs. Quoting from the Wikipedia entry for the Report:
​

The report has become noted for one short section entitled "The implications of a discovery of extra-terrestrial life", which examines the potential implications of such a discovery on public attitudes and values. The section briefly considers possible public reactions to some possible scenarios for the discovery of extra-terrestrial life, stressing a need for further research in this area. It recommended continuing studies to determine the likely social impact of such a discovery and its effects on public attitudes, including study of the question of how leadership should handle information about such a discovery and under what circumstances leaders might or might not find it advisable to withhold such information from the public. The significance of this section of the report is a matter of controversy. Persons who believe that extra-terrestrial life has already been confirmed and that this information is being withheld by government from the public sometimes turn to this section of the report as support for their view.​

It seems that many NASA astronauts had sightings of UAP's during their space missions but these were always covered up and never reported officially.​

 

[panoptix]

First of all, thank you Panoptix for sharing material that you consider interesting to study, or useful in some way.
I think that the comments by TC and others here regarding this material do not detract from the learning of others, that is, others who have not read this material.
In fact, any of us is free to read it and draw our own conclusions.

The point I want to make regarding your comment, in my opinion, is that in this case it is not a matter of giving others everything on a silver platter, or leading them by the hand.

Simply put, networking includes helping each other preserve our energy. In every sense, but in this case I am referring to the energy required to read, read a lot, study, analyze, discern, etc.

And a team is a team. A group that lives and develops as a single organism or body.
Therefore, if a member of that team has put a lot of their own energy into, for example, reading extensive materials, reflecting on that material, etc., by sharing the fruits of their efforts with the group, the whole group benefits.

One person alone cannot read everything there is to read.
In short, to make better use of our work energy, it is always good to take into account what is said here in the forum about this or that material. Especially what is said by those who are clearly more advanced in knowledge.

Thank you. That's why, a few months ago, I opened this thread.

 

[Professor Chaos]

It seems that many NASA astronauts had sightings of UAP's during their space missions but these were always covered up and never reported officially.​

As I mentioned, the topic of space travel was somewhat forgotten for over 50 years, and the first person to take it seriously again was Elon Musk. And he, as we know, is a visionary and on the autism spectrum. He doesn't have access to all the documents and doesn't care about certain things. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I won't delve into NASA's exact (apparent or not) plans for space travel at this point. If we were to approach it purely from the perspective of the media facade covering up what was really happening, the topic seemed to have disappeared. It began to boil down to traveling into orbit and observing galaxies. The agency's conference was ridiculous - they made it seem a bit like a Disney conference. We don't know anything, we didn't see anything, and we didn't hear anything. If they actually saw aliens, spaceships, etc., they might have been very surprised and terrified. Something like Neo in The Matrix being shown a mechanical bug from his navel, and yet it's true. After all, it had previously been a topic in comics, books, and sci-fi films. It turns out that works of art, like anything else, can convey knowledge based on intuition. And of course, they had to somehow prepare the astronauts for contact as one of the possible scenarios. Even if at first they treated it like the Titanic and the iceberg (icebergs, they won't hurt us). In other words, they simply dismissed the issue as unrealistic. Later, they had to either deliberately keep the cosmonauts uninformed or create some kind of protocol.
You can talk about the military, such as the air force, the ground force, NASA, and various services and agencies of different countries. But remember that even within a single country, these institutions are governed by their own rules. They have their own boards and classified zones. It's not like the flow of information is completely transparent just because of one country's flag. Some know this, others that; sometimes they hate each other, sometimes they operate independently, in secret, etc. Therefore, it's worth taking them into account, drawing from where the leaks are coming from. Look at other countries, because increasingly, officials in power are deciding to speak out. Currently, this coincides with the development of AI: we'll have a peak next year, something like a leap from Web 1.0 to Web 2.0. Compared to just a year ago, artificial intelligence has already developed significantly. It's not taking the first steps, it's not crawling - it'll be running soon. (It kinda sounds like the Beast or Lilith lol) Why would this be connected to the alien information? I don't know, but I feel like it runs parallel somehow.
PS. I'll take your comment into consideration later.

 

[panoptix]

So in a sense, you can speak of Freemasonries (plural), but they are still essentially doing the same thing, with slightly different curricula and methods of presentation.

Thank you for answer the questions. You have been very clear in your answers. Having said that, little changes regarding my understanding of Freemasonry, except with respect to Yarker's The Arcane Schools, in which I do indeed see a romantic (or mystical) bias.

About the links you provide me, I take the chance to politely download (one document per minute) all the articles in order to review them. And I've pending of read the article about The Masonic Career of A. E. Waite. (Sorry: Too much workload due to the end of the year.)

I have a few more authors that I'd like your opinion.

The first is Paul Naudon: He has written « Les origines religieuses et corporatives de la franc-maçonnerie, L'Influence des Templiers » and « Rabelais, franc-maçon. » Right now, I'm reading the former (at first gear speed due to my poor French) and I value its historical approach and support in factual documentation.

The second is Alain Desgris « Jésus & la Gnose Templière: L'autre vision des Écritures & du procès qui s'ensuivit. » He appears to be a neo-Templar spokesman, but since he is listed in the bibliography of a favorite author, Juan García Atienza, I want to give him a chance.

Last but not least, Gérard Galtier « Maçonnerie Egyptienne, Rose-Croix et Néo-chevalerie » (1989). It caught my attention because of a paragraph quoted in Fulcanelli's biography (and I translate from the Spanish edition):

On the other hand, according to a secret report by the Austrian police in Italy, dated December 1, 1818, in Venice, a Masonic order called the “Egyptian Secret Society” was formed in Egypt under the protection of Pasha Mehémet Ali. This order practiced the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite; however, its originality lay in the fact that it was open to both women and men and that the Worshipful Master assumed the title of “Grand Cophte.” We can also assume that it was at least spiritually, if not actually, affiliated with the ancient Rite of Masonry of Upper Egypt of Cagliostro.

It had two main lodges, in Alexandria and Cairo, and branches in various Mediterranean ports, especially in Italy and the Ionian Islands. This society professed great veneration for Napoleon and pursued certain political objectives in a liberal vein, opposed to the power of the Ottoman Empire. We found no mention in the Austrian police report of any individuals known to belong to the Rite of Misraïm or Memphis, but it is possible that, originally, under the Napoleonic Empire, certain links existed between the Egyptian Secret Society and Misraïm, in Venice and the Ionian Islands. Although his name is not mentioned in the report, we can assume that Mathieu de Lesseps (1774-1832), diplomat and father of Ferdinand de Lesseps, was one of the driving forces behind this society. Mathieu de Lesseps was secretary of the French legation in Morocco from 1791 to 1797, minister for commercial relations in Egypt from 1803 to 1806, consul general in Livorno (Tuscany) from 1806 to 1809, imperial agent in Corfu from 1809 to 1814, consul and commercial advisor in Aleppo (Syria) from 1821 to 1827, and in Tunis from 1827 until his death in 1832. A devotee of high esoteric degrees, he was initiated into the Scottish Philosophical Rite as well as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, including the Rite of Misraïm. He was a fervent admirer of Bonaparte and one of his most devoted high-ranking officials (serving as prefect of Cantal during the Hundred Days). Furthermore, he was a close friend of Pasha Mehmet Ali (protector of the Egyptian Secret Society). Finally, it should be noted that the Grand Cophte of the Alexandria lodge in 1818 was Domenico Drovetti, of Piedmontese origin, former French consul in Cairo, which clearly demonstrates this society's ties to Napoleonic diplomatic activities in the Mediterranean basin.

Here we have the Venetians (Rosicrucians), Napoleon: One who emerges from seeming obscurity to “make a mark” on history, and de Lesseps, direct relatives (or indirect relatives, depending on how you look at it) of Joseph Paul Cyrille Decœur.

“What a predicament, Mr. Frodo!” Sam Gamgee would say.

 

[nature]

Hello everyone, following this session, I would like to know if anyone living in France has any advice on dietary supplements for detoxifying the body of heavy metals and preventing iodine, copper and vitamin C deficiencies, based on the C's recommendations. What is the C's recommended dosage for an individual? I am referring to products that can be purchased in France. Thank you all very much for your support. ​

Hi EricLux! For those in France, I can provide some supplements I bought directly from manufacturer, at the time when it was still possible, pure products (no additives) for pharmaceutical preparations. Those interested can send me a PM. Fot detox, I have chelators like EDTA. I have Zinc supplément, magnesium, B vitamins, melatonine, iodine, and others...

 

[gottathink]

Then you could attend the next session and be available to ask ancillary questions based on the Cs answers.

@life, at this stage, is not able to attend a session but most certainly putting a list of questions together and posting in the C’s question thread is a good idea. @life also FYI keep in mind the questions will be discussed in the forum thread before making the list. This is to ensure that we don’t already have the answers available somewhere.

 

[MJF]

Thank you for answer the questions. You have been very clear in your answers. Having said that, little changes regarding my understanding of Freemasonry, except with respect to Yarker's The Arcane Schools, in which I do indeed see a romantic (or mystical) bias.

About the links you provide me, I take the chance to politely download (one document per minute) all the articles in order to review them. And I've pending of read the article about The Masonic Career of A. E. Waite. (Sorry: Too much workload due to the end of the year.)

I have a few more authors that I'd like your opinion.

The first is Paul Naudon: He has written « Les origines religieuses et corporatives de la franc-maçonnerie, L'Influence des Templiers » and « Rabelais, franc-maçon. » Right now, I'm reading the former (at first gear speed due to my poor French) and I value its historical approach and support in factual documentation.

The second is Alain Desgris « Jésus & la Gnose Templière: L'autre vision des Écritures & du procès qui s'ensuivit. » He appears to be a neo-Templar spokesman, but since he is listed in the bibliography of a favorite author, Juan García Atienza, I want to give him a chance.

Last but not least, Gérard Galtier « Maçonnerie Egyptienne, Rose-Croix et Néo-chevalerie » (1989). It caught my attention because of a paragraph quoted in Fulcanelli's biography (and I translate from the Spanish edition):



Here we have the Venetians (Rosicrucians), Napoleon: One who emerges from seeming obscurity to “make a mark” on history, and de Lesseps, direct relatives (or indirect relatives, depending on how you look at it) of Joseph Paul Cyrille Decœur.

“What a predicament, Mr. Frodo!” Sam Gamgee would say.

You mention the Venetians in your post and link them with the Rosicrucians. I would be grateful if you could expound upon this link in more detail since most be people link the 17th century Rosicrucians with Germany and with Sir Francis Bacon and his followers in England and not necessarily with Venice.

The Venetians are though normally linked to what is known as the 'Black Nobility' families that came to dominate Western Europe and especially banking and finance - for more see: Who are The Black Nobility?.

The C's, however, linked the modern Rosicrucians with the ancient Rosteem who were originally based at Rostau in what today is known as the Giza Plateau in Egypt:
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Session 7 March 1995:

Q: (L) Who were the Elohim of the Bible?
A: Transdefinitive. And variable entities. [...] First manifestation was human, then non-human. [...]
Q: (L) Well, what brought about their transformation from human to non-human?
A: Pact or covenant.
Q: (L) They made a pact or covenant with each other?
A: No, with 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Well, that is not good! Are you saying that the Elohim are STS? Who were these STS beings they made a pact with?
A: Rosteem, now manifests as Rosicrucians.
Q: (L) What is their purpose?
A: As yet unrevealable to you.​

And as far as I am aware, the C's have still not revealed what the Rosteem's purpose is, although I stand to be corrected.

My own understanding is that the city of Venice was originally established by wealthy families who fled from Rome upon the approach of Atilla the Hun and his hordes. They reasoned that Atilla would have no interest in what was marshy swamp land and this was therefore a good refuge place from which the city state of Venice would eventually emerge. The question is, how Roman were these wealthy families who sought refuge in Venice? By the time of Atilla the Hun, much of Rome was inhabited by people who were descended from freed slaves. A good proportion of these were Assyrians who were in turn descendants of the ancient Babylonians who were renowned historically for their commercial and banking acumen - see, for example, David Astle's ground breaking book The Babylonian Woe - The Babylonian Woe: Amazon.co.uk: Astle, David: 9781910220238: Books. Astle's book delves into the history of money, examining how monetary systems have shaped societies from ancient Babylon through various civilisations, including Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Astle argues that these systems have often been manipulated by powerful entities to control economic life and influence political authority.
​

Every conclusion arrived at as a result of study of the fragments of information available in respect to money and its creators in the world of the Ancient Civilizations, indicates the existence of a far reaching conspiracy in respect to monetary issuance influencing the progression of man's history in the earliest times of which written record exists. It is also outstandingly clear that it was parent to that acknowledged and most obvious conspiracy such as exists today. Hence was able to develop that conspiracy against mankind most exemplified by a continuous propaganda of hate against all authority: in pre-antiquity and antiquity against the many city gods, and in relatively modern times against the kings that rose out of the ruins of that which had been Rome. As those controlling totally the economic life of a state through monetary creation and emission, must have felt that kings and gods were more of a nuisance than anything else, the instigators of this conspiracy in whatever place and era, obviously were those who first did the business of bankers; the controllers of values, and consequently the economic life of the states wherever the precious metal standard was used.​

I would add that ancient Babylon is also considered to be the originator of modern day magical workings too. It should also be recalled here that the Jewish people were exiled to Babylon after the conquest of Jerusalem in 586 BC. Although Jewish law forbids the practice of usury, the Jews have been connected with banking for many centuries. Could they have learned the craft of monetary alchemy, otherwise known as banking, during their long years of exile in Babylon?

But the Jews and Venetians are not the only groups linked historically with banking since the Knights Templars of the early Middle Ages were also renowned as bankers and are credited with the creation of the first travellers cheques and the invention of the double entry accounting system that underpins modern accountancy practice. It is also known that the Knights Templar were close allies of the Venetians and even spearheaded the Venetian-backed sacking of the city of Constantinople in 1204 AD, which marked the culmination of the Fourth Crusade and left the Byzantine Empire fatally wounded, paving the way for its eventual conquest by the Turks in 1453 AD. The Templars also acted as the eyes and ears of the Venetians who would be forced to create their own intelligence service after the suppression of the Templars in 1314 AD.

The Templars are also credited with establishing modern Freemasonry in Britain after their suppression in what is known as the Templar Transmission Theory. If so, what arcane and gnostic knowledge did they transmit to Freemasonry? Well the C's said that the Masonic creed was intertwined with the ancient order of Essenes, arising out of ancient Egypt from the secret knowledge stored at the base of the Sphinx, as left there by "Atlantean" survivors:​

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Session 26 July 1997:

Q: Now, all these Masons are very hot on the Sinclair family and the Rosslyn Chapel. They are certain that their guys came to America, because in this chapel, built supposedly by a Master Mason, there are carvings of corn, as in maize, and aloe vera plants. This is evidence, to them, that Prince Henry the Navigator and all the Templars and all that...

A: Nonsense!

Q: Well, then, what IS the explanation for these carvings in Rosslyn Chapel?

A: Visitors yes, but the Masonic creed is intertwined with ancient order of Essenes, arising out of ancient Egypt, from the secret knowledge stored at the base of the Sphinx, as left there by "Atlantean" survivors.

Q: Does anybody in the Masonic order know anything?

A: Yes.

Q: Well, how high do you have to go to get to know anything?

A: Page 33. Blond and blue-eyed, of course! Before genetic alteration, one branch stood eleven feet tall.

Q: Speaking of these tall guys, William Wallace's life was sort of symbolic, in my mind, and he was supposed to have been over 6 and a half feet tall. During the time that all that mess was going on over in Scotland with Wallace and the Bruce, the Templars were being dissolved in France...

A: Dissolved?!? We think not! They merely went "underground." [MJF: which make me wonder about potential Templar links with the undergrounders]

Q: Is that literally or figuratively?

A: Why not both?

Q: Well, there are Templar organizations that some Mason's claim to be in contact with.

A: And where do you suppose these are?

Q: Underground?

A: Bingo!

If the Templars passed this ancient Essene-based knowledge on to their Masonic successors, where did they get it from themselves? The answer may lie with a fellow religious military order based in the Middle East with whom the Templars had close contact and that group is the Assassins.
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Following-up on Gardiner’s comments, I have been reading Andrew Sinclair’s book ‘The Sword and the Grail’ which deals with his St. Clair or Sinclair ancestors’ links with the Knight Templar and subsequently with Freemasonry. One of his St Clair ancestors had supposedly been present at the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, which for 12th Century Christians represented, literally, the centre of the circle of the world for in legend it was here that Adam, the first man, was buried on Golgotha (the Hill of the Skull) and where in Christian belief Jesus Christ would die upon a Cross thousands of years later. For Jews, Jerusalem was also the centre of Israel and the world, and the centre of the Holy City was the foundation stone of the Temple of Solomon (leaving aside here the C’s assertion that there never was a Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, or anywhere else in ancient Israel for that matter, or an Israelite king of that name) before which lay the Ark of the Covenant. Sinclair points out that the Christians had an alternative navel stone for the universe, the omphalos under the dome of the church of the Holy Sepulchre, where the True Cross Christ died on (which by legend was found by Emperor Constantine’s mother Helen) was sometimes kept. It was a pillar of marble two feet high, on which was set a vessel containing a stone, which would appear to be another source of inspiration for the Grail romances and for the Gnostics and the alchemists, one of whom wrote: “Make a round circle and you will have the Stone of the Philosopher”.

Indeed, Sinclair argues that the Grail Castle (think of Chretien de Troyes and Wolfram von Eschenbach’s grail romances here) itself was based on the idea of the heavenly and perfect Jerusalem, an orb that was at the heart of faith and existence (is this mirrored in the orb which Christian kings carry at their coronation?). To the Crusaders, Jerusalem was both an actual and a visionary city, a walled palace in Palestine and a Paradise in the Holy Land. Such an idea would later carry over into Rosicrucian thinking with their vision of a New Jerusalem, a perfect city both physically and socially (MJF: think here of Sir Francis Bacon and his writings on this subject). One can argue that it was this vision that inspired the creation of the United States of America, the New Atlantis, as the shining city on a hill. Sinclair thus argues that the pilgrimage to Jerusalem was also a quest for the Grail Castle.

Sinclair advances the view that one of the influences on German descriptions of the Grail Castle was historical as well as oriental. In the medieval romance of The Young Titurel, the Temple of the Grail stood on an onyx Mount of Salvation. It was built in the round beneath a golden dome on which jewelled constellations blazed above a mechanical gold sun and silver moon. In the early 7th Century, the Persian King Chosroes II, had built a similar palace on the holy mountain of Shiz, where there had been an earlier circular sanctuary of sacred fire in memory of Zoroaster, whose Manichean beliefs influenced Gnostics and alchemists (and the Albigensians or Cathars as well as the Knights Templar for that matter). Chosroes circular palace of precious metals and stones showed the heavens, which were rotated by teams of horses pulling ropes from sunken pits below. Mineral deposits from a local crater lake made the mountain gleam like onyx. This example of an early planetarium was called The Throne of Arches, the Takt-i-Taqdis: twenty-two ornate arches surrounded the central round, which is the same number of lesser temples that encircled the main hall of the Grail Castle in The Young Titurel. Unfortunately, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius defeated Chosroes and then tore down the Takt and took back the True Cross, which Chosroes had removed from Jerusalem after his seizure of the city and placed at Takt. This early Byzantine crusade to recapture the True Cross was well known in medieval Europe and served as material for the songs of the medieval troubadours.

Like Gardiner, Sinclair notes that the Templars were particularly influenced by the Muslim warrior Shi’ite/Ismaili sect of the Assassins, who held castles and lands in the mountains near the Caspian Sea and in Syria, being supporters of the Fatamid Caliphs in Egypt. As fellow warriors and initiates, they may well have shared a common ancestry perhaps rooted in the ancient Israelite warrior monks, the Levites and perhaps also the Jewish Essenes and Sicarii (see my earlier article on the Sicarii).

Sinclair adds that Missionaries trained in the Grand Lodge of the Ismailis in Cairo preached a doctrine that negated most of the orthodox Islamic beliefs. In essence they were dualists (Manichaeans) like the Christian Gnostics of North Africa, who saw evil not as the absence of good but as part of the essence of both the world and its creator, who may in turn have been an emanation of an ultimate and unknowable God. Like the Gnostics, they believed that man possesses slivers of the divine spark which, given the possession of the secret knowledge (gnosis) can reunite man with that unknown God. They held that Muslim law and scriptures was only known to the imams. They taught that there were only seven prophets: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and the imam Ismail (MJF: I am sure they would be horrified to learn from the C’s that Abraham and Moses were in fact one and the same person). In the order of creation, the prophets stood at the level of Universal Reason, second only to God. Last in the seven-fold chain of creation stood man. Though God Himself was unknowable, a man could work through these grades as far as Universal Reason, and a new aspect of the teaching would be revealed to him at each level.

We should stop here to consider where such notions may have originated from. First, Cairo stands today where the Pyramid complex at Giza (MJF: formerly known as ‘Rostau’ or ‘Red Cross’, which may provide a link to the Rosicrucians) was constructed. Moreover, we learned in my earlier article on The Egyptian Pilgrimage of Initiation about the initiation ceremonies of the Egyptian adepts of Osiris where initiates and adepts progressed through a system of seven levels or degrees, which were conferred successively at seven different ancient Egyptian temples, each one representing the seven chakras located within the human body. I drew parallels between these initiation ceremonies and degrees with those of today’s modern Freemasons, who themselves (including Andrew Sinclair) claim to be successors to the medieval Knights Templar, who had their own initiation ceremonies and degrees. The C’s in the extract set out [above] mentioned a link between the Freemasons and the ancient order of Essenes (not the later Jewish Essenes who may well have been an offshoot though of these earlier Essenes), revealing that the Masonic creed stems from the same knowledge as that which was inherited by the ancient Essenes (and perhaps by extension the Hebrew Levites).
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A: Visitors yes, but the Masonic creed is intertwined with ancient order of Essenes, arising out of ancient Egypt, from the secret knowledge stored at the base of the Sphinx, as left there by "Atlantean" survivors.

This led me to state:

“Since the C’s have previously said that the origins of Freemasonry are to be found in the Osirians, does this mean that with this additional reference to the Essenes we are looking at two different ancient Egyptian traditions or are the Essenes and the Osirians one and the same? If the answer is the former, could we be seeing an early distinction between the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons perhaps?”

Returning to the possible links between the Osirians and the later Rosicrucians of Sir Francis Bacon, I noted that there were also “seven stages of alchemical transformation [MJF: cf. here with Sir Francis Bacon’s alchemical Ladder of the Intellect from his Formula of Interpretation]”. This would also be reflected in Bacon’s seven-fold steps to illumination (as depicted in Freemasonry by the image of Jacob’s Ladder, as shown on Masonic tracing boards). And then there is the link to the Illuminati, which can be found in the seventh and final degree of the Osirian rites:

“Admission to the ultimate mysteries of Saphenath Pancah, revealed at the seventh and final degree, was granted at the twin temples of Behedet and Heliopolis which represented the dual attributes necessary for the awakening of the crown chakra. These were the ultimate centres of illumination into the pure knowledge of God that was held to be beyond all understanding. Attainment of this degree was far from automatic; the candidate had to be of such outstanding merit that he could be invited by the pharaoh with the full consent of the Inner Fraternity. There was a grand reception for the invited candidate, followed by a public procession, after which an assembly of the initiates was held during the hours of darkness in purpose-built houses called Maneras. Here the new member of the Illuminati [MJF: Is this, therefore, the origins of today’s Illuminati?] was given an ambrosial drink of the gods known as Omellas and was told that he had finally arrived at the end of all proofs. He was invested with the insignia of the Ankh [MJF: ref. the C’s - “Ankh is ancient symbol of this planet (D'Ankhiar). Is a female symbol. Stands for mother planet”], dressed in a white striped robe and had his head shaved [MJF: N.B. a common feature in most forms of monasticism].

Moreover, Bacon established a seven-step process for the scientific method too, which is still used by scientists today. I would suggest that his use of these seven methodical steps as well as his seven stages of illumination is no coincidence but quite deliberate on his part, drawing a parallel with the seven degrees of the Osirian rites.

Finally, there was the Seven Liberal Arts supposedly established by the Greek god Hermes (although more likely by the Egyptian Hermes Trismegistus) of which the greatest for the Greeks was geometry, as promoted notably by the Pythagoreans and Euclid.

Hence, is it really so surprising that the Assassins, drawing on the teachings of the Grand Lodge of the Ismailis in Cairo, should have a seven-fold chain of creation where a man (an initiate) could work through these grades as far as Universal Reason, and a new aspect of the teaching would then be revealed to him at each level. Are we seeing here a survival of the ancient Egyptian Osirian rites, which would be embraced over time by the Knights Templar through their close and prolonged contact with the Assassins (see more on this below)?​

This close esoteric connection between the Templars and the Assassins may now make more sense of what the C's said here:​

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Q: What is the relationship between Perceval, Paran Sikarios*, the Assassini, and Ishmael, the son of Hagar, at the well of the mirror?

A: Spear of Destiny.

Q: Are the Ishmaelis the carriers of the true bloodline, and the line of Isaac and Jacob, the Supplanter, the carriers of the monothiestic covenant, are the false line?

A: Close.

Q: Are the Ishmaelis also the carriers of the knowledge of levitation, the cult of the head or the skull...

A: Try to connect to the Templars.

Q: Did the Templars discover the secrets of the Ishmaelis, the Assassini, and is this what they carried into Europe, and then underground?

A: Buried in Galle.

*Laura subsequently made a potential link between Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus Christ in the Gospel stories, who was "from Sikarios and the Paran Sikarios or the Assassini, who were the infamous dagger man of the Jewish Zealots'​

Session 6 September 1997:

Q: Okay, change gears: I read the other day that the word "Iscariot" means "from Sikarios," and this connects the Jesus story directly to my Paran Sikarios... the Percys, piercing, PS, etc. Could you comment on the fact that Judas Iscariot was "from Sikarios." Was he a member of the Paran Sikarios, the Assassini, a dagger man?

A: You are not to be told some things yet, because of your tendency to share before realizing the ramifications it can bring to your doorstep.

As to the "cult of the head" Laura refers to above to, this is epitomised by Baphomet, an artefact which the Templars possessed and the C's referred to as being a pure crystal skull [MJF: which I think may be the Grail or Mother Stone referred to elsewhere in the transcripts].

But what of the link between the Essenes, the Jewish Sicarii (or "dagger men") and the Assassins and subsequently the Knights Templar? This link may possibly be found in the ancient Syrian city of Damascus famed for its "Damascus Steel". I set out below what I wrote about this link in an article entitled The Copper Scroll:​

The Damascus Connection

Many scholars believe the Essenes may have had several communities occupying different sites in Judea. There are others who believe the Qumran site was unique and the Essenes main or only settlement. Benz and Riesner fall into the former camp and mention other Essene sites associated with Qumran at places like En et-Turabe, En el-Juwer and En Fasha. I don’t know if any of these sites are located near modern-day Haifa where the C’s suggested in the transcripts that an Essene monastic community had been established. The Qumran site itself seems to have been occupied from the second half of the 2nd Century BC up to its destruction in 68 A.D. by the Romans during the Jewish revolt with a short gap in occupation during the reign of King Herod the Great (37 B.C. – 4 A.D.) who was responsible for redeveloping the Second Temple in Jerusalem. However, we have had references made to the Damascus Document and the Damascus Rule, so was there a connection between the Essenes and the Syrian city of Damascus?

Benz and Riesner point out that scholars have been increasingly assuming, with full justification, that the ‘land of Damascus’ which the Damascus Rule speaks of is not a code for Babylon or Qumran but in fact refers to the ancient city in southern Syria. It seems the Essene community had been in exile in the ‘land of Damascus’ for a while at the beginning of its foundation and after that some of its members evidently remained in the neighbourhood of Damascus. This is an important point for us since of a group of Essenes had remained behind in Damascus, this suggests they may have survived the Roman inspired second Jewish diaspora and continued to have a presence in the vicinity of that city perhaps even after the Arab conquests of Syria (A.D. 634–638). If so, it might explain the following excerpt from the transcripts:​

Q: Okay, what is this P-S related to that appears on the stone slab from the Rennes le Chateau churchyard? Everybody is talking about the "Priory of Sion." But, what does this P-S mean? Is that it?

A: Look into ancient tongues...

Q: Ancient tongues? Get me a little closer to it!

A: Swords, daggers pierce...

Q: Is this P-S something about "Percy?" Swords, daggers, pierce... Damascus? Damascus steel?

A: Search for learning.

The reference to swords here may be an oblique reference to the Knights Templar and daggers may in turn be an oblique reference to the medieval secret order of the Assassins, whose preferred weapon of assassination was the dagger. The Assassins certainly had a presence in Damascus during the era of the Crusades and the name “Damascus” is also associated with a finely made steel from which swords and daggers were fashioned (see: Damascus steel - Wikipedia). Although, as I have explained in an earlier article, the Assassins looked to the Fatimid Ismaili teachers at the university mosque of Al Azharin in Cairo for their philosophy and doctrines as a secret religious order, they may have had a much older pedigree and could originally have been founded by surviving Jewish Sicarii (“dagger men”) who may have sought refuge in Syria with their Essene kinsmen after the Roman victories in the Roman-Jewish Wars of the 1st and 2nd Centuries A.D., eventually converting to Islam for reasons of self-preservation. Consider how many Jewish families in Spain remained secret Jews even after outwardly converting to Catholicism during the 16th Century. The Ismailis had become an identifiable sect in the 9th century A.D. based primarily in Syria. In 969 A.D., a Fatimid army conquered Egypt, which now became the centre of a kingdom stretching the length of the north African coast. A new capital city was founded called Al Kahira ('the victorious'), now known in its western form as Cairo, which became the capital of an empire which would at its height include Sicily, the western part of the Arabian Peninsula (with the holy places of Mecca and Medina) and the Mediterranean coast up to Syria. In 970 A.D., the Fatimids established in Cairo the university mosque of Al Azhar which has remained ever since a centre of Islamic learning.

However, the authority of the Fatimid Ismaili caliphs would crumble in the 12th century A.D., when Saladin, the famous Saracen commander, subsequently became leader of the Islamic world deposing the last of the Fatimid line. The collapse of the Fatimid caliphate did not mean the end of the political influence of the Ismailis though. There had been a dispute in 1094 A.D. over who should be caliph. The Fatimids in Egypt selected one of two brothers. However, the Ismailis in Persia and Syria preferred the other brother, by the name of Nizar. The followers of Nizar became the Nizari who, from the late 11th century A.D., began seizing territory in northern Persia. They made a religious virtue of terrorism and murder in pursuit of their ends. It is this group who became the feared Assassins of the medieval Middle East.

So, can we see here a line of esoteric transmission involving variously the Rosteem of Rostau, the Osirians, the Egyptian Illuminati, the Essenes, the Sicarri, the Ishmaelis or Ismailis, the Assassins, the Knights Templar, the Freemasons and the modern day Rosicrucians?

For those who may want to learn more about the tentative links between these secret societies, I am attaching my article on The Truth About Secret Societies to this post.
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