Shooting at mexican school

[mabar]

Student opens fire at Mexican private school; gunman among 5 injured
By Porfirio Ibarra The Associated Press

MONTERREY, Mexico – A 15-year-old student opened fire with a gun at a private school in the northern Mexican city of Monterrey on Wednesday, seriously wounding himself, a teacher and three other students, state officials said.

Nuevo Leon state security spokesman Aldo Fasci said four of the injured, including the shooter himself, had bullet wounds to the head and were in extremely serious condition.

Fasci said a school video showed the male middle-school student first shot the 24-year-old teacher, then shot a 14-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy in the head, and a 15-year-old classmate in the arm. He then pointed the gun at classmates before shooting himself in the head.

“This had never happened” in the state before, Fasci said.

He said the boy had been suffering from depression, but that the motive was under investigation.

The spokesman attributed it to “the situation that is happening everywhere. The children have access to the internet. This has happened in other countries.”

The website of the American School of the Northeast says it offers bilingual education for students from preschool through ninth grade.

Fasci said the boy brought the gun from home. It was unclear how he got the .22 calibre pistol into the school. Mexico had once had a program to checked book bags at school entrances, but in many places it has fallen into disuse.

Mexico had been largely spared the phenomenon of school shootings that has hit the United States. In one of the few previous incidents, a 13-year-old student shot a 12-year-old classmate in the head at a Mexico City middle school in 2004, seriously wounding her.

At the height of Mexico’s drug war between 2008 and 2011, schools in northern Mexico had considered a much greater threat the possibility that stray bullets from drug gang gun battles outside schools might enter classrooms. Some schools conducted “duck and cover” drills to combat that possibility.

Enough drama, pointed at the head? ... According to other sources (_http://www.proceso.com.mx/470591/confirman-cinco-lesionados-en-colegio-monterrey-cuatro-balazo-en-la-cabeza)
there were more students injured, and that the boy -other sources mention 12 years old- was depressed and in medication...
https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/228836-monterrey-momento-alumno-le-disparo graphic images--spanish

 

[Luis Miguel]

I just read the news mabar, what a tragedy. I also saw the video (very shocking), and it was difficult to conceive that a 15 years old kid did that, and it does seems that he know what to do and how to do it - as you said, he aimed to the head and he was very fast! This kind of shot and committing suicide events are very rare here but much more common in the US, it does seems like the ponerization is deepening its roots in Mexico. This events in the past have been perpetrated by very disturbed individuals that get triggered by the environment or programming. Now, I'm maybe connecting unrelated things, but Monterrey has been protesting a lot since the rise in gas prices and there has been a lot of conflict with the police - maybe it was just a disturbed kid, but there's also the ongoing fear tactic of the government, and this event would be useful for them... who knows.

Also, after the event, the government officials repeated part of the now common narrative of the US government after this kind of tragedies: "firearms destroy, they take away the tranquillity and the peace to anyone". This is also interesting given that groups as the "auto-defensas" in Michoacan are getting more angry, as well as people in general.

 

[mabar]

I just read the news mabar, what a tragedy. I also saw the video (very shocking), and it was difficult to conceive that a 15 years old kid did that, and it does seems that he know what to do and how to do it - as you said, he aimed to the head and he was very fast! This kind of shot and committing suicide events are very rare here but much more common in the US, it does seems like the ponerization is deepening its roots in Mexico. This events in the past have been perpetrated by very disturbed individuals that get triggered by the environment or programming. Now, I'm maybe connecting unrelated things, but Monterrey has been protesting a lot since the rise in gas prices and there has been a lot of conflict with the police - maybe it was just a disturbed kid, but there's also the ongoing fear tactic of the government, and this event would be useful for them... who knows.

I think the ponerization is deepening, I remember Columbine Massacre movie comments from back then, "this will not happen here because whatever", kids playing video games that are not for their age at cyber cafes you can see them daily, if they have them at home with their parents unaware, worst...

Also, after the event, the government officials repeated part of the now common narrative of the US government after this kind of tragedies: "firearms destroy, they take away the tranquillity and the peace to anyone". This is also interesting given that groups as the "auto-defensas" in Michoacan are getting more angry, as well as people in general.

Surely this week the US narrative sounds good, there was other shooting in Cancun at prosecutor's office, was attacked yesterday by an armed group, the shooting at the Blue Parrot in Playa del Carmen on Sunday, the findings of dismembered bodies at Acapulco, we are experience violence everywhere ... but I understand is a narrative and there is always more behind it ...

And people will get angrier, the gas will rise again in February, the dollar is rising as well, it reached 22.50 today, and politicians seem to be undisturbed ...

 

[Alejo]

I saw this, and was shocked and I'm reminded of all the shootings in the US. There's so many they barely make the news anymore.

In regards to the current events and state of affairs in Mexico, I can perhaps draw a link between the environment and the event. Not only inspirational as in, people are so used to violence that it makes sense for them to go in that direction. But I'm thinking of these kids in the US who somehow had ties to army or intelligence agencies and who seemed programmed to go off at some point but went off early.

Of course I could be completely off.

 

[DreamGod]

I live in Mexico and this was a tragic event, not only because of what happened itself but because the circumstances that motivate the incident. As i said, I live in Mexico and because of that I recieve more information from other sources than the news itself. There is a FB group called Legion Holk, with more than a million followers, these was a premedited situation, they were encouraging teens from 10 to 18 years to do this kind of things, but nobody had never done it, so this was the first kid who did it, he also wrote on his whatsapp chat (some kids from his classroom) that he advice not to go to school because we has going to do a shooting. The classroom has a videocamera recording everything (i dont have any link because this things were passed to me by whatsapp) were you can see that some kids already knew, they didnt shocked and it seem to be encouraging this kid to start the shooting.

This Legion Holk kids are starting to send messages threatening to repet this again, this will encourage other kids to do it, this is a serious thing.

:(

 

[mabar]

I saw this, and was shocked and I'm reminded of all the shootings in the US. There's so many they barely make the news anymore.

In regards to the current events and state of affairs in Mexico, I can perhaps draw a link between the environment and the event. Not only inspirational as in, people are so used to violence that it makes sense for them to go in that direction. But I'm thinking of these kids in the US who somehow had ties to army or intelligence agencies and who seemed programmed to go off at some point but went off early.

I live in Mexico and this was a tragic event, not only because of what happened itself but because the circumstances that motivate the incident. As i said, I live in Mexico and because of that I recieve more information from other sources than the news itself. There is a FB group called Legion Holk, with more than a million followers, these was a premedited situation, they were encouraging teens from 10 to 18 years to do this kind of things, but nobody had never done it, so this was the first kid who did it, he also wrote on his whatsapp chat (some kids from his classroom) that he advice not to go to school because we has going to do a shooting. The classroom has a videocamera recording everything (i dont have any link because this things were passed to me by whatsapp) were you can see that some kids already knew, they didnt shocked and it seem to be encouraging this kid to start the shooting.

This Legion Holk kids are starting to send messages threatening to repet this again, this will encourage other kids to do it, this is a serious thing.

Ponerization is what I still think of it, video games and so FB sites encouraging kids to do this kind of stuff, what are parents doing or not doing, education begins at home, parents giving cellphone to kids since 3 years old??? not ever supervising what they see/read, not talking with them, I saw the video as well, to me it was sad that the kid being depressed -that's what we were told by the news- and being alone at the classroom??? there is still too few information about it, but one google violence in Mexico "kid kills" and there are many, this kind of horrors had happend before, _https://noticias.terra.com.mx/mexico/estados/alumno-de-secundaria-dispara-y-mata-a-companero-en-el-edomex,7619bc4048a46410VgnVCM4000009bcceb0aRCRD.html, _http://www.zocalo.com.mx/seccion/articulo/nino-de-12-anos-atropella-y-mata-a-nina, _http://sipse.com/mexico/la-nina-precoz-planeo-el-asesinato-de-sus-padres-32511.html, _http://yucatan.com.mx/mexico/delincuencia/por-venganza-a-los-16-anos-mata-a-una-nina-de-13, _https://nuestrotiempotoluca.wordpress.com/2015/03/12/los-ninos-sicarios/, _http://expansion.mx/nacional/2014/05/21/maestra-que-ya-no-me-molesten-pedia-joven-que-murio-en-tamaulipas etc...

We/I should become shocked with every of this kinds of news, not getting used to ...

 

[Ca.]

For what ever reason Mexico is going through a "Full Tilt Boogie", {1} The more recent and escalating violence seems to be nearing a crescendo. There is no letting up.

Aurelio Nuño entrega plaza a maestros de Ayotzinapa Video 2017 Published on Jan 19, 2017

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Cancun: 4 Killed in gun attack that may relate to Club Blue Parrot killings
Wednesday, January 18, 2017
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2017/01/cancun-4-killed-in-gun-attack-that-may.html
Quintana Roo: Llegando a las motocicletas, un grupo armado de comando de al menos 10 hombres armados, entró en las oficinas del Procurador General en las avenidas Xcaret y Kabah Rojo Gómez y abrió fuego al fuego Humberto Mora Ochoa, un oficial de policía ministerial.

Quintana Roo: Arriving on motorcycles, a heavily armed commando group of at least 10 gunmen, entered the offices of the Attorney General on Xcaret and Kabah Rojo Gomez avenues and opened gun fire killing Humberto Mora Ochoa, a ministerial police officer.

Enlace para videos en español

Full Tilt Boogie is a 1997 documentary film directed by Sarah Kelly that chronicles the production of the 1996 film From Dusk till Dawn.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Tilt_Boogie

 

[Oxajil]

Ponerization is what I still think of it, video games and so FB sites encouraging kids to do this kind of stuff, what are parents doing or not doing, education begins at home, parents giving cellphone to kids since 3 years old??? not ever supervising what they see/read, not talking with them, I saw the video as well, to me it was sad that the kid being depressed -that's what we were told by the news- and being alone at the classroom??? there is still too few information about it, but one google violence in Mexico "kid kills" and there are many, this kind of horrors had happend before, [...]
We/I should become shocked with every of this kinds of news, not getting used to ...

Very sad. And I agree, parents should be taking more responsibility, and be as aware as possible about what their young children are spending their time on. They should be outside, playing with other kids. Nowadays, most of them have smartphones and spend most of their time on social media and the internet, and possibly influenced negatively with what they expose themselves to. And of course, parents should be there for them in difficult times and take action if needed (when they're being bullied etc.).

Also, the police should immediately be up to date on the Legion Holk FB group or follow developments, take charge and prevent these things from happening. It's unfortunate that they don't. There is also the possibility that those who become violent and start shooting others could be the ones who are ''programmed'' and ''triggered early'' as Alejo noted.

Have you noticed violence increasing each year in Mexico? If so, perhaps it's another sign of the increase in ponerization on pretty much all levels. Hope you're all staying safe!

 

[Windmill knight]

Have you noticed violence increasing each year in Mexico? If so, perhaps it's another sign of the increase in ponerization on pretty much all levels. Hope you're all staying safe!

Absolutely! Mexico is very ponerized at many levels and it wasn't like that when I was a teenager. However, the increasing violence has always been related to crime, most notably organized crime committing kidnappings or, depending on the state and region, related to drug gangs. Occasionally there will be scandals of government or police forces involved in the death of protestors in smaller towns or rural areas, like the infamous case of the 43 'disappeared' students a couple of years ago. However, spontaneous crazy violence in places you wouldn't expect and for no apparent reason, like school shootings, are a relatively new thing. But with the negative atmosphere that prevails in the country I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Cyre2067]

Such a sad event. It's becoming more and more commonplace, extreme violence among the youth and I agree - it's a symptom of ponerization. It's even more twisted to think that kids were using social media to encourage this - such a sad state of affairs.

 

[Navigator]

I live in Mexico and this was a tragic event, not only because of what happened itself but because the circumstances that motivate the incident. As i said, I live in Mexico and because of that I recieve more information from other sources than the news itself. There is a FB group called Legion Holk, with more than a million followers, these was a premedited situation, they were encouraging teens from 10 to 18 years to do this kind of things, but nobody had never done it, so this was the first kid who did it, he also wrote on his whatsapp chat (some kids from his classroom) that he advice not to go to school because we has going to do a shooting. The classroom has a videocamera recording everything (i dont have any link because this things were passed to me by whatsapp) were you can see that some kids already knew, they didnt shocked and it seem to be encouraging this kid to start the shooting.

This Legion Holk kids are starting to send messages threatening to repet this again, this will encourage other kids to do it, this is a serious thing.

:(

I also listened to an audio from a girl on WhatsApp mentioning this FB page, saying that awful things were shared and requested there, things like child pornography. Now, I found three different pages with that name and two had ~100,000 each, the other ~14,000 members. If that is the case, and such content was indeed shared, I'll say that Facebook would have banned the page well before reached the 100,000 members marked.

One of those groups/pages is open to see the posts, and its nothing near to what I heard, nor I saw an overt attempt to entice kids to perform criminal acts. What I think is that such places are indeed brewing grounds for predators who then move to Inbox messages to continue luring young kids there. Also, WhatsApp groups tend to be way more vile and, correct me if I'm wrong, uncensored, that's where such behavior could be more overt I think.

 

[Navigator]

Another bit of information is that the government now says the kid suffered from depression, though no violent behavior was detected by schoolmates and teachers.

 

[neema]

Well this week has hit very close to home for me, literally. I’ve been living in Cancun now for 2 years, and I teach at a private school here. The gun fight happened 5 minutes down the road from where I live. If it wasn’t for my afternoon nap I would have been right in the middle of it. I was planning to go grocery shopping. I can tell you that this incident has frightened many locals here. The day after, half my students did not come to school because the parents were afraid for their safety. Though it seems calm now many of the stores here have been closing really early and the police have closed many streets involved with the shooting. It’s very eerie to see the streets so empty as I’m used to the city being very busy at nights. The news is that a local drug dealer was arrested days before this incident, connected with the club shooting in playa del carmen and that her gang were trying to bust her out of the local jail here.

There is definitely no respect for the authorities here as the social contract in Mexico has failed big time. It’s a good preview of what can happen in the future to the rest of north America, as more and more trust in the authorities are lost with each passing day.

As for the student shooting near Monterrey, some of my students were asking me about it. Thankfully at the school I’m working at there is a large emphasis on psychological health. Students have mentorship programs and full time psychologists that they can talk to.

Although the diet here in Mexico is loaded with sugar. Coke and other "soft" drinks here are more popular then water! They just love sugar here to degrees I’ve never seen anywhere else I have lived in before. I’m sure that has an impact on the psyche of the population.

Also, something here that I find very telling, is that the police leave on their strobe lights 24-7. There is no sound but the lights are constantly on day and night with or without an emergency. When I ask people about it, no one has a definite explanation. I’m just told, “hey its Mexico! You have to check your logic at the door”. Its interesting because of what we know about the effects of strobe lights.

As I said, all and all it has been an interesting week and it’s not over yet.

 

[Ca.]

As I said, all and all it has been an interesting week and it’s not over yet.

Thanks Nima. Good to hear that you avoided this issue. Hope your inner voice and your continued awareness keeps you safe. It is the land of confusion.

Stay safe Amigo.

 

[Voyageur]

Well this week has hit very close to home for me, literally. I’ve been living in Cancun now for 2 years, and I teach at a private school here. The gun fight happened 5 minutes down the road from where I live. If it wasn’t for my afternoon nap I would have been right in the middle of it. I was planning to go grocery shopping. I can tell you that this incident has frightened many locals here. The day after, half my students did not come to school because the parents were afraid for their safety. Though it seems calm now many of the stores here have been closing really early and the police have closed many streets involved with the shooting. It’s very eerie to see the streets so empty as I’m used to the city being very busy at nights. The news is that a local drug dealer was arrested days before this incident, connected with the club shooting in playa del carmen and that her gang were trying to bust her out of the local jail here.

There is definitely no respect for the authorities here as the social contract in Mexico has failed big time. It’s a good preview of what can happen in the future to the rest of north America, as more and more trust in the authorities are lost with each passing day.

As for the student shooting near Monterrey, some of my students were asking me about it. Thankfully at the school I’m working at there is a large emphasis on psychological health. Students have mentorship programs and full time psychologists that they can talk to.

Although the diet here in Mexico is loaded with sugar. Coke and other "soft" drinks here are more popular then water! They just love sugar here to degrees I’ve never seen anywhere else I have lived in before. I’m sure that has an impact on the psyche of the population.

Also, something here that I find very telling, is that the police leave on their strobe lights 24-7. There is no sound but the lights are constantly on day and night with or without an emergency. When I ask people about it, no one has a definite explanation. I’m just told, “hey its Mexico! You have to check your logic at the door”. Its interesting because of what we know about the effects of strobe lights.

As I said, all and all it has been an interesting week and it’s not over yet.

Just curious, Nima, as I've been following the effects of vaccines and depression and more. Are kids in Mexico on a vaccination regime via their public (or private) school systems like the U.S. or Canada?

Very glad you were not in the path of this, keep aware!