Shortness of Breath

[emilien512]

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I don't eat greens or veggies. Mostly eggs, bacon, fatty meats such as ham, ground beef in sour cream, etc and accompanied fat sources most of those being butter, cream, and coconut oil/milk. Would it be recommended to incorporate specific greens and veggies or other foods?
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Since I was born thru my 21y , I used to like dairy (mostly milk every morning) a lot, but when I got older (around 16y) I began to have Anemia. Look at the symptoms here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemia#Signs_and_symptoms
There is shortness of breath, if you have some other symptoms as well, I would say this is beacause of dairy products, you should suppress them all. A few days would be enough to cure if you add more meat to your diet.

 

[Voyageur]

[quote author=cdh4r ]
I have been incorporating more dairy butter in my diet since the beginning mostly as a result of being unable to find lard that has not been partially hydrogenated and containing plant fats. I just started using cream on Saturday. [/quote]

As for butter, perhaps try making Ghee out of butter if you've not tried this yet; a good higher heat cooking medium, too, if fats are are not available. When making, ensuring the casein's are properly removed is something to consider during the cooking-off and straining process.

 

[emilien512]

This might be late but still useful.

If Shortness of Breath is the same as Respiratory Depression (=hypoventilation) in your case then it might come from the Opioids in wheat and dairy as they are present and very concentrated. Also, as a side note, it also explains slow bowel/colon movement because it acts just like a painkiller on those organs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid :

An opioid is a psychoactive chemical that works by binding to opioid receptors, which are found principally in the central and peripheral nervous system and the gastrointestinal tract. The receptors in these organ systems mediate both the beneficial effects and the side effects of opioids.

Opioids are among the world's oldest known drugs; the therapeutic use of the opium poppy predates recorded history. The analgesic (painkiller) effects of opioids are due to decreased perception of pain, decreased reaction to pain as well as increased pain tolerance. The side effects of opioids include sedation, respiratory depression, constipation, and a strong sense of euphoria. Opioids can cause cough suppression, which can be both an indication for opioid administration or an unintended side effect. Opioid dependence can develop with ongoing administration, leading to a withdrawal syndrome with abrupt discontinuation. Opioids are well known for their ability to produce a feeling of euphoria, motivating some to recreationally use opioids.

Although the term opiate is often used as a synonym for opioid, the term opiate is properly limited to the natural alkaloids found in the resin of the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum). In some definitions, the semi-synthetic substances that are directly derived from the opium poppy are considered to be opiates as well, while in other classification systems these substances are simply referred to as semi-synthetic opioids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_depression

 

[trendsetter37]

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I don't eat greens or veggies. Mostly eggs, bacon, fatty meats such as ham, ground beef in sour cream, etc and accompanied fat sources most of those being butter, cream, and coconut oil/milk. Would it be recommended to incorporate specific greens and veggies or other foods?
...

Since I was born thru my 21y , I used to like dairy (mostly milk every morning) a lot, but when I got older (around 16y) I began to have Anemia. Look at the symptoms here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemia#Signs_and_symptoms
There is shortness of breath, if you have some other symptoms as well, I would say this is beacause of dairy products, you should suppress them all. A few days would be enough to cure if you add more meat to your diet.

I was just wondering whether or not you were insinuating that eggs should be grouped with dairy? Or were you implying that the affect on us is biochemically similar to dairy?

 

[emilien512]

Well eggs are also part of dairy but because it is not a refined product and not containing agents (hormones, anti-bio, anti-infla, ...) that are directly fed to the animal, that then pass on to the end-product, it is much safer that all other dairy. I also had an episode where i tried to eat strictly only eggs for 3-4 days, I felt quite good at first but began to get bad sensations at the end, so I just concluded that it should be a food strictly as an alternative, not main food source.

In the KD or LWB topic, someone said that the fat get oxidysed (or another word) when eggs are eaten raw or cooked and the proper way to eat is hard boiled. Also, because it contain carbs, it is not so much recommended for ketosis.

 

[trendsetter37]

Well eggs are also part of dairy but because it is not a refined product and not containing agents (hormones, anti-bio, anti-infla, ...) that are directly fed to the animal, that then pass on to the end-product, it is much safer that all other dairy. I also had an episode where i tried to eat strictly only eggs for 3-4 days, I felt quite good at first but began to get bad sensations at the end, so I just concluded that it should be a food strictly as an alternative, not main food source.

In the KD or LWB topic, someone said that the fat get oxidysed (or another word) when eggs are eaten raw or cooked and the proper way to eat is hard boiled. Also, because it contain carbs, it is not so much recommended for ketosis.

Ah Ok I thought we were avoiding dairy or products produced by the mammary glands from other mammal species
because of the casein and other constituents inherent to dairy. I'll have to look into the egg thing I thought it was a misconception that they are sometimes referred to as dairy. I do prefer them hard boiled as well.

What kind of sensations were you experiencing?

I also don't know that eggs would have everything needed (nutrition wise) to sustain the body by themselves. Maybe bone broth and eggs. What prompted you to try an all egg diet?

Edit: Upon further inspection it seems as though dairy and eggs should not be in the same food group as their nutritional make-up differs along with them coming from two different organs or areas of the body. Dairy such as butter, cheese, yogurt, icecream should be avoided but eggs on the other hand, if one is to avoid them, would not be for the same reasons as actual milk products. And in the OPs case if he is having respiratory issues with dairy or milk products alone then cutting out dairy and keeping the eggs could still be a viable option in that scenario.

 

[emilien512]

What kind of sensations were you experiencing?

I also don't know that eggs would have everything needed (nutrition wise) to sustain the body by themselves. Maybe bone broth and eggs. What prompted you to try an all egg diet?

A feeling that the blood was becoming more and more contaminated with toxins, brain was affected also, not the same as the mucus-glue like-effect of cow milk.
Just wanted to try if eggs could work on the long run, did not!

 

[Nienna]

Well eggs are also part of dairy...

I disagree. Dairy products are anything that comes from milk. Like butter, cream, cheese, yogurt, etc.

There are a lot of people who are allergic, or just plain sensitive to eggs. This can cause a lot of problems for those who are not aware that they are egg-sensitive or allergic.

In the KD or LWB topic, someone said that the fat get oxidysed (or another word) when eggs are eaten raw or cooked and the proper way to eat is hard boiled. Also, because it contain carbs, it is not so much recommended for ketosis.

Eggs are very much a part of the Ketogenic diet. There are very little carbs in an egg. Eggs are mostly protein and fat. Also, if I remember correctly, you can eat fried eggs, you just should not break the yolk while cooking. I am sure that someone else can explain this better. I did not pay a whole lot of attention to this as I am one of those who are allergic to eggs. :)

 

[trendsetter37]

That was my thinking as well Nienna. I also couldn't find anything, in the threads referenced, that illustrated how or why some components in eggs would undergo heavy oxidation.

_http://www.aeb.org/food-manufacturers/egg-nutrition-and-trends/nutrient-composition

Some things that might oxidize would be lutein ( lots of double bonds) which is actually thought to be antioxidant that aids in vision (-http://www.naturalnews.com/033323_lutein_LDL_cholesterol.html also _http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697302) and maybe choline. Lutein is apparently present but in minuscule amounts (0.5 milligrams for whole liquid eggs and 1.3 mg for dried).

Lutein has been shown to be protective against age-related macular degeneration; however, the antiinflammatory and antioxidant effects of this carotenoid in aortas are less known. Guinea pigs were fed a hypercholesterolemic diet (0.25 g cholesterol/100 g) and randomly allocated to a control group (n = 9) or a lutein group (n = 10) (0.1 g/100 g lutein) and fed the experimental diets for 12 wk. Plasma LDL cholesterol and TG did not differ between groups; however, the lutein group had lower concentrations of medium size LDL (P < 0.05). As expected, guinea pigs from the lutein group had higher concentrations of plasma and liver lutein than those from the control group (P < 0.0001). Aortic cholesterol and malondialdehyde concentrations were lower in the lutein group (9.6 ± 2.8 mmol/g and 1.69 ± 1.35 nmol/mg protein) compared to the control group (15.5 ± 2.3 mmol/g and 2.98 ± 1.45 nmol/mg protein) (P < 0.05). Hematoxilin and eosin staining indicated that aortas from the control group presented focal intimal thickening, whereas either less thickness or no visible thickness was present in aortas from the lutein group. Oxidized LDL (oxLDL) was lower both in plasma and aorta in the lutein group compared to the control group (P < 0.001). Aortic cytokines were also lower in the lutein group (P < 0.05). Plasma lutein and oxLDL (r = -0.79; P < 0.0001) and plasma lutein and aortic oxLDL (r = -0.64; P < 0.0001) were negatively correlated. These data suggest that lutein exerts potent antioxidant and antiinflammatory effects in aortic tissue that may protect against development of atherosclerosis in guinea pigs.

Choline (apart of B-complex vitamin / nitrogen salt) is inherent to all meat which are cooked regularly so I don't suppose we would notice a significant difference in an egg environment. osit. I could be wrong though. Sorry if this got really off topic.

Edit: spelling

 

[emilien512]

I can't find the posts which talked about this oxidation thing, sorry guys.

 

[Voyageur]

I can't find the posts which talked about this oxidation thing, sorry guys.

There is some talk about oxidation in this thread http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28799.msg370448.html#msg370448 I try very hard never to break them if frying (bacon fat), yet there are some tricks to cooking i've just not mastered and eggs are one of them.

However, just to digress for a moment to help with eggs, here is my recipe for poached eggs which goes something like this: in a large pot of water (3/4 full) with a little vinegar. Once boiling take a wooden spoon and spin the waters clockwise or anti clockwise (vigorously in speed) and slowly pour in the eggs (from a separate bowl) into the middle, turn down heat and let cook for a 3 - 4 minutes (monitor). Use a perforated spoon to remove. Usually they come out great.