Smoking is... good?

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yes, i smoke tobacco, but i mix it as explained. it is a direct response to "american spirit is a little dry" posted there.

please quote what you consider to be "subjective thinking" and I will attempt to objectify it. I appreciate any and all feedback, thanks.
 
abbyjo said:
yes, i smoke tobacco, but i mix it as explained. it is a direct response to "american spirit is a little dry" posted there.

please quote what you consider to be "subjective thinking" and I will attempt to objectify it. I appreciate any and all feedback, thanks.

abbyjo, it was your statements about the benefits of cannabis smoking - the statements were subjective and such discussions are prohibited by forum guidelines. Please re-read the guidelines.
 
I sincerely and deeply apologize if I have offended anyone. They were subjective comments made in response to equally subjective comments from "Guest" I have no cannabis agenda I wish to push here...I do mix American Spirit tobacco with other herbs and resins/oils because otherwise it IS DRY as you pointed out, but only because the chemicals are missing....I compared with cheaper brands and feel jittery when I switch away from American Spirit tobacco...also felt same jitters when i rolled one using a paper tube...I think the paper is the problem and one MD said the same, I can probably find other MDs...

That having been said, the comments that "Abstract" posted appear to be unfair undeserved attack which violate forum guidelines, please post something about that, we need to be clear and fair. I would be happy to post the private message, I re-read, it's not an attack on abstract at all and I do see what he or she took offense to exactly, there were no quotes of mine....I am not pushing any particular herb, device, etc. I am just a sick person trying to get well. This appears to be a sensitive topic and point taken. Are we okay now? I am not hiding at ALL, I do occasionally send private messages to people when I think it might embarrass them to post in public, I have very very few secrets...and have been writing and posting on the web for a couple of years now.

abbyjo
 
abbyjo said:
I sincerely and deeply apologize if I have offended anyone. They were subjective comments made in response to equally subjective comments from "Guest" I have no cannabis agenda I wish to push here...I do mix American Spirit tobacco with other herbs and resins/oils because otherwise it IS DRY as you pointed out, but only because the chemicals are missing....I compared with cheaper brands and feel jittery when I switch away from American Spirit tobacco...also felt same jitters when i rolled one using a paper tube...I think the paper is the problem and one MD said the same, I can probably find other MDs...

That having been said, the comments that "Abstract" posted appear to be unfair undeserved attack which violate forum guidelines, please post something about that, we need to be clear and fair. I would be happy to post the private message, I re-read, it's not an attack on abstract at all and I do see what he or she took offense to exactly, there were no quotes of mine....I am not pushing any particular herb, device, etc. I am just a sick person trying to get well. This appears to be a sensitive topic and point taken. Are we okay now? I am not hiding at ALL, I do occasionally send private messages to people when I think it might embarrass them to post in public, I have very very few secrets...and have been writing and posting on the web for a couple of years now.

abbyjo

Hi abbyjo,

Please understand that the forum rules referring to substance use and pm's to members are there to protect the forum against attacks (substance abuse) and to protect forum members (pm's). This is for your protection as well.

For what it's worth, I didn't see an attack in Abstract's post to you. I felt he was pointing out that a good portion of your post was off topic in addition to it being a breach against forum guidelines. Some of us here (and I include myself in this) can be quite direct. We are all striving to See and work on our various issues. You will come to understand this more clearly as you spend more time on the forum.

As someone who is new to this forum please realize that we are not like many forums you may be used to frequenting. This is a learning environment. No one is exempt from this. This is also an environment where we all work very hard to maintain a standard that is respectful to all so that it is the most conducive to learning.

I ask that you not take this as a reproach or judgement on you but rather try to see it in terms of an opportunity to understand us better and in turn be better understood. One great step you can take (if you haven't done so already) is to read the links posted in our intro to you in the newbies section.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to share. :)
 
truth seeker said:
abbyjo said:
That having been said, the comments that "Abstract" posted appear to be unfair undeserved attack which violate forum guidelines, please post something about that, we need to be clear and fair. I would be happy to post the private message

For what it's worth, I didn't see an attack in Abstract's post to you.

This is for your protection as well.

For what it's worth, I didn't see an attack in Abstract's post to you. I felt he was pointing out that a good portion of your post was off topic in addition to it being a breach against forum guidelines.


If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to share. :)

Of course I am here to learn, Of course it's not personal, it's STS! (lol)

I think the word "[expletive deleted]" is an attack. I think the words to the effect of kicking me out for what was at worst missing something in the guidelines is a bit much since I am doing my level best to read all words with an open mind.

I can post the email I sent to abstract, I think abstract is stressed now about other issues, I just responded with what I intend as empathy to abstract, who seems to need understanding and empathy as do we all.

I need a definition of "subjective." I need some examples. Were the other posts in that thread violations also? The ones about which tobacco feels best, and the ones posted by "guest?" I am trying to be clear, not perpetuate bad vibes, believe me.

I was also commenting on the subjective I suppose experience that the nicotine polycrix replacement drug marketed by Target, CVS and others was making me feel worse (subjectively!) than tobacco and that when I mix tobacco with natural resins and oils it's not dry and not only that, but I do not cough as much or have asthma, and I have had asthma, that part's not subjective.

If there is a specific forum guideline I need to read, or re-read, please point it out to me privately or publicly.

what is this about emailing privately, i can't do it? it's not about secrets so much as exposure. STS is still very much focused on us, I can document that statement with objective proof, events, dates, emails sent before events, etc. some of it is attitude, and projections, reactions of mine, some of it is not. when we make progress, we all become targets...

peace,

abbyjo
 
Hi abbyjo,

abbyjo said:
I need a definition of "subjective."

Here are the definitions: objective vs subjective


If there is a specific forum guideline I need to read, or re-read, please point it out to me privately or publicly.

The forum guidelines are here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13777.0
Two: Please don't post messages about your illegal pastimes and habits. Cassiopaea.org does not wish to appear to condone such practices, for reasons that should be pretty obvious if a little common sense is applied. If you do post such stuff, expect it to be deleted immediately. It is also inadvisible to post about illegal pastimes from yesteryear, drug use for example, (unless you are disavowing all such usage). The reason is that by doing so you run the risk of attracting lurker "drug buddies", which you probably don't want to do.
 
Hi abbyjo,

I think I was misunderstanding some of what you wrote. For that I apologize. I thought when you were referring to an attack, you meant the post Abstract made in this forum as opposed to a pm sent. If you are referring to pm's, please note that moderators don't read members pm's. If you'd like to, please send me the relevant pm/email. Thanks much.

edit: actually, you can send it to any moderator. :)
 
abbyjo, in the Newbies Forum, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=39.0 , you will find (at the top) the following threads:

Forum Guidelines

Comprehensive Guide for the Serious Reader

Important threads


In the "Important Threads" list of threads you will find:

Forum Personal Messages and Predators

and:

Tips and advice for Newbies


... and a few other things that are good to know.

We sort of figure that since there is a "Newbies Forum" that Newbies will check it out. And since there are stickied topics that declare they are expressly FOR Newbies, that they will read them.

Also, the Forum guidelines are brought up when you sign up for an account and we generally figure that people will read those before finalizing their account.

If you had done these things, you would not be having any problems at all! As the Cs say: "Knowledge Protects" - but you have to get it before you can apply it!
 
Laura said:
abbyjo, in the Newbies Forum, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=39.0 , you will find (at the top) the following threads:

Forum Guidelines

Comprehensive Guide for the Serious Reader

Important threads


In the "Important Threads" list of threads you will find:

Forum Personal Messages and Predators

and:

Tips and advice for Newbies


... and a few other things that are good to know.

We sort of figure that since there is a "Newbies Forum" that Newbies will check it out. And since there are stickied topics that declare they are expressly FOR Newbies, that they will read them.

Also, the Forum guidelines are brought up when you sign up for an account and we generally figure that people will read those before finalizing their account.

If you had done these things, you would not be having any problems at all! As the Cs say: "Knowledge Protects" - but you have to get it before you can apply it!

thanks and I will read again, obviously I need to review. i think it is resolved except the [explitive] is still there.

this is good learning, here today!
 
abbyjo said:
what is this about emailing privately, i can't do it? it's not about secrets so much as exposure.

Actually, it's about situations that lend themselves to feeding and predation. Please read this thread in its entirety: Forum Personal Messages and Predators

All discussions here should take place on the public forum, that protects everyone, including you.
 
Since Abbyjo brought up the issue, I thought I would address it.

In session date 14 Jan 1995 there is the following exchange:

Q: (L) Jan and I are very curious about artistic expression
at 4th density. We experience art and music in a very
positive and moving way, most of us, in this realm, and
sometimes music can be very sublime and very transforming.
It can move one in a lot of very unusual ways. What is it
like in 4th density?
A: In 4th, you can "see" sounds and "hear" colors, for
example.
Q: (L) Is this, now you guys just calm down when I ask this
question... (F) I know what you are going to ask... (L)
No remarks, okay? Many years ago when I was a child of
the 60's and 70's, I tried some LSD. (T) I know exactly
what you are going to ask, yeah, because I've seen it too!
(J) Yes. (L) In a major way! Geometric patterns and
colors manifested with music. (T) Yes! (L) Is this what
we are talking about here?
A: Bingo!
Q: (L) So, in other words...
A: The answer to your next question is yes, you experienced a
bleedthrough of 4th density.
Q: (F) In other words an acid trip is like a glimpse into 4th
density. (L) Do you recommend this method for accessing
this type of reality.
A: Open.
Q: (T) Well, the problem is that some people would want to do
that all the time and not work on doing it in a natural
way.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) And other people would use it and abuse it and use it
as an excuse. (J) And damage themselves. (L) Yes, it is
obviously something that has to be very carefully handled.
We can't encourage this.

Now, let me emphasize that "many years ago" and the fact that I was about 19 years old. Let me tell you about that trip. It was probably the most horrible experience I ever had. After 16 hours of non-stop viewing of a seething, feeding, STS reality underneath and interpenetrating our world, I actually drove myself to my doctor's office and he gave me an injection of some sort of sleeping medicine and put me on a cot in an examining room where I slept for about 5 hours. I woke with a splitting headache and had flashbacks at the most inconvenient times for several years.

A few years went by. I was 22. I asked a spiritual teacher I knew and respected his opinion of such things. His response was that the levels of consciousness that are achieved by such means are like being in the hall of a big house, unable to enter any of the rooms. Not only is there a block in place doing it that way, but you are forced, by the nature of the chemical, to stay in that "between state" for the duration of the chemical action. In other words, you have to stay at a level of consciousness that is of no advantage to you for longer than that level deserves.

He then said that, when the body is ready, it produces its own chemicals and they are quite different.

That made sense to me.

Many years went by, during which time I was a teetotaler (that experience scarred me for life and any state of altered consciousness that I was NOT in control of or did not occur naturally was not my idea of a good thing to do) . I wouldn't even drink beer (hate the stuff anyway).

Fast forward to later questions about such activities put to the Cs:

23 October 1999

Q: I want you to know you have lost a fan because he was not happy with what he considered to be "internal inconsistencies" in that you were NOT favorably disposed toward hallucinations produced by substances such as Mescaline and Ayahuasca, but yet you recommend Melatonin because it is a hallucinogen. Then, you said that spiritual powers could not be obtained through chemicals or plant type means, but then said that Melatonin exercises psychic abilities. Could you comment on this?

A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.

Now, those of you who have read "The Wave" and "Secret History" are aware of the lengthy discussion of brain chemistry and the principles extracted from the study of ligands etc. This is very important because the example of caffeine and the adenosine receptor captures the situation rather closely.

My observation of the many people I grew up with who smoked pot is that basically none of them ever did anything significant with their lives. I do not know of a single one. And when I say "significant," I mean that in the sense of their lives making a difference to the Universe in a positive way. I noticed that they all used pot to buffer their emotions. None of them - NONE - ever made any progress in personal growth or development. The only ones who did were the ones who saw pot as the crutch it was and threw it away. Pot distorts your perception of reality in a significant way; it is an attempt to shut out the world. And, as the Cs say:

Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."

I know that Abbyjo wants to promote pot smoking. Well, not on my forum. And, by the way, Abbyjo, how's your life?
 
Laura said:
My observation of the many people I grew up with who smoked pot is that basically none of them ever did anything significant with their lives. I do not know of a single one. And when I say "significant," I mean that in the sense of their lives making a difference to the Universe in a positive way. I noticed that they all used pot to buffer their emotions. None of them - NONE - ever made any progress in personal growth or development. The only ones who did were the ones who saw pot as the crutch it was and threw it away. Pot distorts your perception of reality in a significant way; it is an attempt to shut out the world.

It's been my observation (and past experience) also. I remember a person in particular who smoked pot regularly (that is, daily) and she had memory gaps, almost like a senile person - she would tell us something and then repeat the same thing 10 minutes later. Definitely no good for the mind :/
 
Lúthien said:
Laura said:
My observation of the many people I grew up with who smoked pot is that basically none of them ever did anything significant with their lives. I do not know of a single one. And when I say "significant," I mean that in the sense of their lives making a difference to the Universe in a positive way. I noticed that they all used pot to buffer their emotions. None of them - NONE - ever made any progress in personal growth or development. The only ones who did were the ones who saw pot as the crutch it was and threw it away. Pot distorts your perception of reality in a significant way; it is an attempt to shut out the world.

It's been my observation (and past experience) also. I remember a person in particular who smoked pot regularly (that is, daily) and she had memory gaps, almost like a senile person - she would tell us something and then repeat the same thing 10 minutes later. Definitely no good for the mind :/

I agree completely, based on observations of lots of people I know, and myself... I smoked it for years..even now, 2 years after stopping, my emotions aren't working properly yet.

I've known people like that too, Luthien.. but even for people who don't smoke it heavily enough to suffer from that extreme memory loss, it still has this negative effect, only more subtle. It gives you massive blind spots in your perception. I know lots of people who smoke pot who are "productive members of society", intelligent, nice, pretty much normal people, but who somehow have certain areas where they simply can't see others' points of view AT ALL, or even that there could be another point of view.
 
About this discussion of illegal "smoke". I must ask why have a glass of wine? Why have a beer? Why take a valued prescription medication that can be mortally toxic and kill you? My only point in this matter is I "THINK" that too much of a good thing can be detrimental to the body and/or "soul", and possibly small amounts of toxin may be beneficial. I can be wrong but I was taught and still think that much benefit can be derived from moderation. My gramma did not drink liqueur, but she did get a tablespoon of moonshine for a youngsters' sore throat. I leave the legal issues alone and abide the law to avoid confrontation and keep person freedom.
I hear absolute verbiage of absoluteness while thinking of the Third Man Theme .
 
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