so what's up with knees anyway??

[clerck de bonk]

Last night I woke up with my kneecap dislocated, relocating it hurt like hell!
Well, whats odd with that You might think. Nothing, except this:
- it's never happened to me before(always gotta be a first, i know ;))
- weekly sauna made me feel very sleepy(it has had that effect on me lately :()
Before going to sleep, early, I was reading the Wave pt 4(second time reading) and I came upon a passage about something that I didn't 'get' the last time I read it.
Suffice to say I didn't 'get' it this time either . What it was about? The KNEES of course! What else!
- I tumbled and fell scraping my same knee earlier this week, while carrying tyres.
- otherwise I had a very good (k)nights sleep :)

what am I missing here? Or am I just venting? I am dense so no need to go there...

 

[truth seeker]

Wow, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? What's the passage? I remember reading a passage that referred to coming apart and physical sensate but unfortunately can't find it...

edit: clarification

 

[clerck de bonk]

The passage was this one (Chapter XXXII The Priory of Sion and The Shepherds of Arcadia):

"MN: Because as you will find out later, as you read on, you will see that Sauniere's doings have (very) little impact on the solution I found. ...What I want you to comment on is symbolism...

LKJ: There are some significant symbolic images that are far more ancient and "in your face" in that painting than what you described. Every thing has multiple layers... question is: which layer do we extract from? An example is your use of the "knee" as a means of selecting "seven." Well, the knee has some very deep meanings and is used symbolically in a rather different way in numerous sources, the oldest I have found being the Sumerian Texts... And it is not chance that "knee" is from the same root as "knead as in bread, knight, juga, yogi, conjugal, genes, genetic, gonads, etc.

Also, the hand positions... there was in use, at the time of the painting, a "hand alphabet" which could signify either letters or numbers or both ... it could also symbolize a mathematical "operation." "

By the time she got into the handsignals I was sound asleep

Wow, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? What's the passage? I remember reading a passage that referred to coming apart and physical sensate but unfortunately can't find it...

I'm okay now, thanks for asking, feels like nothing ever happened...

 

[truth seeker]

Thanks for the passage.

By the time she got into the handsignals I was sound asleep Embarrassed

I totally understand!

Not sure if this helps or even applies here, but I found this passage in Bringers of the Dawn (pages 56/57?):

Your DNA is a filament; a scientist would describe it as a connective filament. Scientists, doing the best
they can up to this point, have found certain codings within certain portions of the DNA. They have also
found superfluous portions of the DNA. In other words, there are portions that they cannot translate or
figure out, so they think these portions of the DNA are just there for the ride, and they call them "junk
DNA." They are off track.
We have talked about how all of you were built by the creator gods. You were built like houses that
were going to be expanded or added on to in the future. You are now at that juncture when those who
designed you are adding on to who you are. What the scientists call "junk DNA" has been dormant in
your body for a long time, and it is now becoming activated. In our teachings, we always emphasize the
importance of oxygenation, because oxygen feeds the coding and awakens the junk DNA in your body
(which certainly isn't junk at all).
What scientists are calling "junk" houses the perceptions deep inside of your body that will allow you to
become an entire perceiver, a fourth-dimensional being. This awakening DNA will allow you to change
your eyesight, change your hearing, increase your life span, and so on. This dormant part of the DNA
that has baffled the scientists is now coming to life.
You are mutating so quickly now that certain scientists call the process a disease. Some are very
concerned about it. They have persuaded the government to invest billions of dollars to research DNA.
What is occurring in your body is certainly not a disease: you are being naturally mutated and
rearranged. This mutation occurs most often while you are sleeping, so you may be waking up in the
mornings noticing that something feels a little different in your body. You can expect that the changes
will begin to show themselves and that you will develop new abilities. You will automatically know,
many things.
The original designers of the human body were benevolent beings. These original creator gods were
very generous in endowing you biogenetically with a tremendous vitality of spirit and a tremendous zest
of capability. Much of this information is stored within your body in the light-encoded filaments that are
scattered and are coming back into alignment. Your bones and skeletal form correspond with that
information. When your skeletal form is in alignment, the energy from sacred power sites is released,
the cosmic rays are pulled into your body, and the light-encoded filaments inside your cells begin to
reorder themselves, you will find that you are in the change. The change will be mirrored to you everywhere you look.

 

[clerck de bonk]

Mayhap You're right truth seeker, but I would prefer having my ligaments and joints and such not coming apart like that ;D

My own theory to the direct cause how this happened would be that my sleeping position was such that it put pressure(sideways) on my knee during a prolonged period when asleep(there was also numbness). I remember my feet and legs being in an awkward position when waking up...

 

[Ollie]

clerck de bonk, this may or may not help, from Louise Hay, in You Can Heal Your Life:

Knee: See Joints - Represents pride and ego.

Joints- Represents changes in direction of life and ease of these movements.

And from Lise Bourbeau, Your body’s telling you: Love yourself!

KNEE PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL BLOCK
Knee pain, stiffness or inflexibility reflects inflexibility in your perception of the future. It occurs more often in those with an arrogant or stubborn personality who are unable to bend to new ideas or t the ideas of others. An inflexible attitude keeps you from finding easier ways to face your future and guarantees dis-ease going forward physically and psychologically. …

MENTAL BLOCK
Your body is providing a painful reminder that you are not as flexible as you want to believe. Remember that your body will warn you of things you are not conscious of. You don’t have to fear losing control by bending to the will of others or accepting new ideas. Allow yourself the flexibility to see things from another perspective. … You may have some latent fear of being too flexible related to one of your parents. Address this and realize that you are distinctly different from either of them and, although the apple may not fall far from the tree, your life is your own. It doesn’t hurt, however, to be a little flexible and accept some help once in awhile those who care.

KNEE MISALIGNMENT
… misalignment of the knee indicates difficulty in standing up straight and in moving in a straightforward direction towards goals or future endeavours.

 

[anothermagyar]

[quote author=ClerckDeBonk]Last night I woke up with my kneecap dislocated, relocating it hurt like hell!
Well, whats odd with that You might think. Nothing, except this:
- it's never happened to me before(always gotta be a first, i know Wink)
- weekly sauna made me feel very sleepy(it has had that effect on me lately Sad)
Before going to sleep, early, I was reading the Wave pt 4(second time reading) and I came upon a passage about something that I didn't 'get' the last time I read it.[/quote]

Wow, this must hurts like hell!
Get well soon!
Btw, I think sauna make muscles and joints very loose and we have to be careful what we do afterwords.
When you sleep it's difficult to control your move though.
I wish you feel better soon! :)

 

[Nević Nenad]

Trevrizent, I must say I don’t believe in that what Lise Bourbeau says (or I just didn’t like how that sounds, somewhat new ageish), but in my case it seems to be accurate. I am meaning about the knees, that is my problem too

 

[Cyre2067]

Hey Clerk - One of the little stretches I use helps me keep my knees loose and well lubricated with blood/oxygen. I found it in one of my chinese chi books, and it really helps me warm up before a walk outside or a bike ride commute into work.

Basically you stand up, bend down and put your hands on your knees. The idea is to then gently bend and rotate your kneeds 10-30x clockwise, then the same # counter-clockwise.

I also do the 'touch your toes' stretch and a gentle 'lean backwards from your hips' to open up my lower back. You can also throw in a hula or 5-10 in each direction to open up your hips.

As for the significance of knees problems... knees bend, they help you move. Perhaps knee problems signify inflexibility that's preventing movement or growth. As for what a dislocated knee cap can represent....

 

[Hildegarda]

I had a similar knee problem a few years ago, out of the blue, too. Was diagnosed with patellar-femoral syndrome, something having to do with knee caps misaligned due to weakness of connective tissue and leg muscles. A series of physical therapy exercises did wonders. I really should be doing those exercises for maintenance, now that I'm thinking about it. You might want to check into that. It's important that a therapist shows you how to do the exercises exactly right.

For immediate joint pain relief, try massaging it with cold-pressed peanut oil. My husband swears by it.

As to what it may mean ... all the ideas sound right on the mark, but it's only you who can fill it in with the specifics of your particular situation and see whether it applies or not. You were thinking a lot about Laura's writing; so, does what you have been reading about have a direct connection to your life right now? just wondering ...

 

[alphonse]

Hi clerk de bonk

I fell in Feb this year and ruptured my quad tendon clean off the kneecap. They drilled four holes in my kneecap and reattached it with wire. Was in an ankle to hip plaster cast for 8 weeks and had a brace that bent a little more each week for 6 weeks. Two weeks before the op and a few weeks after, I was horrible. Grumpy, sore headed, sorry for my self. My poor wife was doing all the running around with our children, and still had me to look after !


But the point of this clearly self-pitying tale, is that my wife gave me a Louise Hay book open at the “knee” page, and to sum up LH said that knee problems were about a reluctance to change, and an inflexible approach. My Mr Angry programme kicked in and my reaction was “No it’s not, it’s about needing to loose some weight and not falling badly and not ripping your quad tendon off the bone” (obviously I thought I was the only person that ever suffered a knee injury!) Mrs Hay could justifiably have felt very smug if she witnessed my reaction. My family just suspected the surgeon finished my knee and went straight on with a "sense of humour" by-pass.

But actually – it changed a great deal for me. We were having huge problems at work at the time, and the time that I had to reflect on things helped me to focus and make the changes at work that were long overdue and really needed to happen.
On the days I couldn’t get a lift in, I actually re-found my ability to read and to focus on what I was reading. It is then that I started to feel more confident on the forum, and I even read my first Gurdjieff book during that time.

I’m still in physio, and my wife has given me a yoga routine to strengthen the muscles in my legs, but as much as I hated the experience I think the Cosmos was sending me a message. I hope I remember it. Luckily, I have a family that don't let me off the hook, and if I do get lazy give me a kick (metaphorically of course, although they all do have 2 "good" legs 'gawd love 'em!)

Wishing you a more restful night tonight

 

[clerck de bonk]

Thanks for the response Y'all!

clerck de bonk, this may or may not help, from Louise Hay, in You Can Heal Your Life:

Knee: See Joints - Represents pride and ego.

Yeah, that one hit home

And from Lise Bourbeau, Your body’s telling you: Love yourself!

KNEE MISALIGNMENT
… misalignment of the knee indicates difficulty in standing up straight and in moving in a straightforward direction towards goals or future endeavours.

Hrmh yees.

Btw, I think sauna make muscles and joints very loose and we have to be careful what we do afterwords.
When you sleep it's difficult to control your move though.

That is true

As for the significance of knees problems... knees bend, they help you move. Perhaps knee problems signify inflexibility that's preventing movement or growth. As for what a dislocated knee cap can represent....

I don't think I like the direction of this :/

For immediate joint pain relief, try massaging it with cold-pressed peanut oil. My husband swears by it.

Thanks for the tip Hildegarda!

As to what it may mean ... all the ideas sound right on the mark, but it's only you who can fill it in with the specifics of your particular situation and see whether it applies or not.

They are on the mark mostly and you could add lazy for good measure...

...my wife gave me a Louise Hay book open at the “knee” page, and to sum up LH said that knee problems were about a reluctance to change, and an inflexible approach. My Mr Angry programme kicked in and my reaction was “No it’s not, it’s about needing to loose some weight and not falling badly and not ripping your quad tendon off the bone” (obviously I thought I was the only person that ever suffered a knee injury!) Mrs Hay could justifiably have felt very smug if she witnessed my reaction. My family just suspected the surgeon finished my knee and went straight on with a "sense of humour" by-pass.

... but I still think Mr Angry was right! :D

The thing is those(pride and lazy foremost) are known modes of the predator in me... which of course doesn't mean that they are in check...
Well, my spouse gave me a new tidbit of info.
It seems that my sleeping position isn't what I thought it was i.e. sleeping on my stomach. When asleep I obviously turn on my back and put my feet in a position I previously thought I used only when resting occasionally...
If you can picture "the Hanging Man" from the tarot cards and you pull up the straight leg(the leg which he hangs from) so that they form a threesided pyramid, that's how I sleep
I don't see myself as high strung or anything like it and the position is quite restful and comfortable when awake...

 

[Kel]

I cannot remember where I heard this, but years ago, somebody said that as we move closer to 4th density we'll be seeing this reflected in the knees; there will be more and more knee problems and knee pain.

Forgive me that I do not know who or when or why, but it's worth considering and possibly looking into. Was this co-intelpro? some whacked-out channeler? I just can't remember.

But I've gone through my share of knee problems. I used to do A Lot of hiking. As in mountain climbing. I could go up hill all day, but after about a year of this, the downhill was brutal on my knees. In fact, sometimes the only way I could go downhill was to go backwards. LOL. Well, I eventually found that stretching out the ITB (iliotibial band) before, during and after it helped a great deal.

 

[Kel]

From the Law of One:

Questioner: Will you expand on the positive and negative polarizations in general and how they apply to individuals and planets, etc.? I think there is a correlation here, but I’m not sure.
Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field. The lines of force in both cases may be seen to be much like the interweaving spirals of the braided hair. Thus positive and negative wind and interweave forming geometric relationships in the energy fields of both persons, as you would call a mind/body/spirit complex, and planets.
The negative pole is the south pole or the lower pole. The north or upper pole is positive. The crisscrossing of these spiraling energies form primary, secondary, and tertiary energy centers. You are familiar with the primary energy centers of the physical, mental, and spiritual body complex. Secondary points of the crisscrossing of positive and negative center orientation revolve about several of your centers. The yellow-ray center may be seen to have secondary energy centers in elbow, in knee, and in the subtle bodies at a slight spacing from the physical vehicle at points describing diamonds about the entity’s naval area surrounding the body.
One may examine each of the energy centers for such secondary centers. Some of your peoples work with these energy centers, and you call this acupuncture. However, it is to be noted that there are most often anomalies in the placement of the energy centers so that the scientific precision of this practice is brought into question. Like most scientific attempts at precision, it fails to take into account the unique qualities of each creation.
The most important concept to grasp about the energy field is that the lower or negative pole will draw the universal energy into itself from the cosmos. Therefrom it will move upward to be met and reacted to by the positive spiraling energy moving downward from within. The measure of an entity’s level of ray activity is the locus wherein the south pole outer energy has been met by the inner spiraling positive energy.
As an entity grows more polarized this locus will move upwards. This phenomenon has been called by your peoples the kundalini. However, it may better be thought of as the meeting place of cosmic and inner, shall we say, vibratory understanding. To attempt to raise the locus of this meeting without realizing the metaphysical principles of magnetism upon which this depends is to invite great imbalance.

 

[Johnno]

I cannot remember where I heard this, but years ago, somebody said that as we move closer to 4th density we'll be seeing this reflected in the knees; there will be more and more knee problems and knee pain.

Forgive me that I do not know who or when or why, but it's worth considering and possibly looking into. Was this co-intelpro? some whacked-out channeler? I just can't remember.

But I've gone through my share of knee problems. I used to do A Lot of hiking. As in mountain climbing. I could go up hill all day, but after about a year of this, the downhill was brutal on my knees. In fact, sometimes the only way I could go downhill was to go backwards. LOL. Well, I eventually found that stretching out the ITB (iliotibial band) before, during and after it helped a great deal.

Knees are ruled by Capricorn, so there's a few Caps with knee problems.

It's also used quite a bit in the Freemason's symbology and I've heard that a knee is bared and a noose is put around one's neck when they are being initiated into the lodge. The bent knee and loop has a similarity to the Capricorn sigil BTW. Idries Shah in his book "The Sufis" has a bit to say about this and its origins in Sufism. I'll dig it up.

It is also used a bit in old "esoteric" art. For example you quite often see old paintings with the knee bared.