Some questions about "Active Side of Infinity" book

[riclapaz]

Hello riclapaz, I didn't understand the bold part of your sentences, would you please explain more? thx!

Is there a link to download Laura videos about it? Can I learn from them?

Hello MoonSun, here is the link to the videos of Laura: https://www.youtube.com/user/cassiopaeaorg/videos

How to stop Karma?

I think the best thing to do is work on ourselves, control emotions, diet, etc. not anticipate, participate aquien forum if you have to balance karma, being a natural process, with the help of constant input of knowledge, cushion the blows, so to speak. the end not forget, learning is fun.

How to know my own programming?

Here in the forum are several threads about programs:

Programs.. and how to get rid of them
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8129.msg60188.html#msg60188

What programs have YOU discovered?
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,7077.msg497499.html#msg497499


Wait helps a little

Hi MoonSun, sorry for the confusion, I had an error when using the google translator, I'll try to be clearer: the comment is regarding the participation here in the forum, this network allows us also to gain knowledge, have a feedback on ourselves, we help being a mirror, meet some of our programs, sacred cows, self-importance, and much more, basically I mean all this to make the comment about the participation here in the forum, and the importance of not anticipate here one Laura extract wonder what the Cs:

August 11, 1996 Laura,
Frank, Terry & Jan
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34941.msg496949.html#msg496949
Q: (L) OK, we've been talking earlier this evening about intent, and of course, our own experiences with intent have really been pretty phenomenal. We've come to some kind of an idea that intent, when confirmed repeatedly, actually builds force. Is this a correct concept, and is there anything that you can add to it?

A: Only until anticipation muddies the picture... tricky one, huh?

Q: (L) Is anticipation the act of assuming you know how something is going to happen?

A: Follows realization, generally, and unfortunately for you, on 3rd density.

Q: (L) Is this a correct assessment of this process?

A: Both examples given are correct. You see, once anticipation enters the picture, the intent can no longer be STO.

Q: (L) Anticipation is desire for something for self. Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) OK, so it's OK to intend something, or to think in an intentional way, or to hope in an intentional way, for something that is to serve another, but anticipation defines it as a more personal thing.

A: And that brings realization.

Q: (L) So, desire to serve others, and to do something because it will help others, brings realization...

A: But, realization creates anticipation.

Q: (L) Well, how do we navigate this? I mean, this is like walking on a razor's edge. To control your mind to not anticipate, and yet, deal with realization, and yet, still maintain hope... (J) They said it was tricky... (L) This is, this is, um...

A: Mental exercises of denial, balanced with pure faith of a non-prejudicial kind.

Q: (L) OK, so, in other words, to just accept what is at the moment, appreciate it as it is at the moment, and have faith that the universe and things will happen the way they are supposed to happen, without placing any expectation on how that will be?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) This is, and I'm not asking about Ark, this is something that he has talked about in terms of shaping the future. He talks about shaping the future as an intentional act of shaping something good, but without defining the moment of measurement. In other words, adding energy to it by intent, but not deciding where, when or how the moment of measurement occurs. When the quantum jump occurs, it occurs on it's own, and in it's own way. Is this the concept he's dealing with here?

A: Anticipation.

Q: (L) In other words, is what he's talking about anticipation?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, what do you mean, anticipation in response to what I said?

A: That is the key to shaping the future... Avoiding it.

Q: (T) OK, because we're not anticipating in what we're doing...

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What we're doing is not anticipatory, it's just happening. We were talking about it on the way up, that with interactions with others, we are facilitating, we are creating reality. This is what they all say about reality.

A: When it hits you, it stops.

Q: (L) When what hits you? (J) The realization. (T) The fact that it's happening.

A: Yes unless you cancel out all anticipation.

As for karma, my idea is that I do not think that you must stop, rather a see you start to work on yourself, you begin to stop deceiving yourself, you begin to see things with objectivity, then you can change your reality, and yet, I think the karma would have to somehow be balanced, if any, that the soul has come to that.

To handle the problems come, it is necessary, in addition to the entry of knowledge, this network, are tools that will serve mattress for what has to live.
I hope to help a bit

 

[SeekinTruth]

SeekinTruth, thank you! Would you (or any other one) please explain a bit more about discipline? Is it the same “calming mind” or something more/different?

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Well, discipline is, like I said, doing what "it", i.e. the predator's mind / the collection of our programs / small I's etc., does not normally like to do. These things tend to be what's actually good for us and our AIM in the Work. For example, regularly doing EE, making the most important diet changes, regularly reading and keeping up on what's going on on the forum, on SOTT / around the world - regular knowledge input, in other words, etc. If we don't struggle against the inertia of the predator's mind, we wouldn't do much of the above because it isn't necessarily what makes the predator feel good normally, and if done properly, in a disciplined and intentional way, actually helps to loosen the grip the predator has on our minds and mechanical habits. If we don't struggle between yes and no, as Gurdjieff said, nothing will change in our lives. We have to put efforts into not dissociating all the time and only doing what feels good / staying in our comfort zone, or what gives short-term chemical feel-good rewards, etc. After long struggle against these entropic tendencies, the predator's control over us lessens, and eventually this foreign installation, as Castaneda says, flees as it can no longer feed on our self-centered worries and inanities. That's when we're on our own and the real work of a warrior of knowledge begins.

 

[MoonSun]

riclapaz, SeekinTruth many thanks to you two!
Smiles

 

[MoonSun]

The way to get rid of the "predators mind", also mentioned in The Active Side of Infinity by Castaneda is discipline. The input by others above are all examples of discipline, or as Gurdjieff used to say doing what "it" does not like to do - which is what is of most benefit for our Real Self. FWIW.


@ Iron. I think the boycotting remark was probably in reference to Iran sanctions.

Hello SeekinTruth, I'm back after awhile , I'd like to start again to enhance my awareness and not to waste my life anymore. You must be experienced in the Work, may I ask please where do I begin from? I know bits and pieces from every thing but it's made me confused, that's why I wush to restart but this time from the first step that I should learn and walk step by step. You or anybody else can help please? I' d like to be a student of the Work. Bye for now

 

[Buddy]

The way to get rid of the "predators mind", also mentioned in The Active Side of Infinity by Castaneda is discipline. The input by others above are all examples of discipline, or as Gurdjieff used to say doing what "it" does not like to do - which is what is of most benefit for our Real Self. FWIW.


@ Iron. I think the boycotting remark was probably in reference to Iran sanctions.

Hello SeekinTruth, I'm back after awhile , I'd like to start again to enhance my awareness and not to waste my life anymore. You must be experienced in the Work, may I ask please where do I begin from? I know bits and pieces from every thing but it's made me confused, that's why I wush to restart but this time from the first step that I should learn and walk step by step. You or anybody else can help please? I' d like to be a student of the Work. Bye for now

In the year that you've been inactive on the forum, have you at least read the online Wave?

 

[MoonSun]

the next one is that I've not seen any protective method in the book to be taught, I need to read the whole book perhaps (I've not finished the book yet).

Castaneda doesn't mention these, but they're discussed in depth on the forum: diet, meditation (EE), self-work, making thinking more objective, getting more in touch with your emotions and motives, learning to see yourself as you are, identifying your values and learning to act accordingly, and more.

My understanding from reading that book was that in order to "get the predator to flee" all a warrior needs to do is stop the internal dialogue, i.e. silence the mind, which gets easier to do with more and more practice. Whether or not this is how things actually work is a matter for debate, AI's comments may be more valid in actual reality. :)

hello everyone,the following verses are from Rumi -Iranian sufi and poet. I thought it is good to share these words here, they endores Archaea words also(thought and mental images)
The Hunter and the Hunted

Mathnawi V: 723-760

723 He is so drowned in his own passion (for hunting, that) he is
unaware of his own pursuer and hunter.

If grass is devouring some water and air, an animal's stomach is
grazing (close) behind.

725 That grass is (both) the eater and the eaten, just as anything
that exists-- other than God.

Since He is (described in the verse as) "And He feeds you and is
not fed,"1 God is neither eater or eaten, (like living) flesh and skin.

The eater and the eaten are never safe from some (other) eater,
which is waiting quietly in ambush.

The security of the eaten ones is attractive for bereavement (to
follow). Go (for security) to that Court, for He "is not fed"!

For every mental image, there is some (other) mental image
consuming (it); for (every) thought, there is another thought
grazing on (it).

730 You aren't able to escape from a mental image, or to sleep so
that you can jump outside of it.

Thoughts are the bees, and that sleep of yours (is) the water (in
which you try to escape); when you wake up, the bees come back.

Many mental "bees" fly in, to draw (you) this way and take (you)
that way.

These mental images are the least of those which devour, and the
Owner of Majesty2 knows (well the power of) the others!

Take care! Escape from the crowd of rough devourers,3 to (refuge
in) Him who said, "I am your Protector."4

735 Or (flee) to the one who has obtained (from God the power of)
protection, if you are unable to hurry (directly) to that Protector.

Don't pledge (your) hand (to any), except to the hand of the (sufi)
Elder,5 (for) God has become the "Hand-Holder"6 for his hand.

The (sufi) Elder (is) your (guiding) intellect, (which) has been
made habitually childish from being the neighbor of the ego, which
is within the veil [of selfish passions].

Join (that) perfected intellect to (your weak) intellect, so that
(your) mind may turn back from that harmful nature.

When you put your hand in his hand, then you will jump outside
the grasp of the devourers.

740 (And) your hand will become (part of) the "People of the
Pledge,"7 since "The Hand of God is over their hands."8

When you have given your hand to the sufi Elder's hand-- the wise
Elder who is knowing and honorable,

Since he is (like) the prophet of his time,9 O disciple, so that the
light of the Prophet becomes visible (in him),

By this you will have been present at Hudaybiya and a fellow
companion to the Companions of the Pledge.10

Then you will have become (like one) of the Ten of Good News,11
(and) you will have become purified like pure gold.

745 (And this is) so that (your) association may become right,
because a man is joined to someone he has made friends with;

He is with him (in) this world and the next-- and this is (the
meaning of) the saying of sweet-natured Ahmad,12

(Who) said, "A man is with the one whom he loves,"13 (meaning
that) the heart is not separate from its desired object.

Sit less (often) wherever there is a trap and bait. O you who
suppose others to be weak: go (and) look (carefully) at those who
take others to be weak.

O assumer of the weakness of the weak, know this: (that) there is
also a hand above (your) hand, O young man!

750 You are weak, and (yet) you assume weakness (in others)--
how amazing! You are both the prey and the hunter in pursuit!

Don't be (like those mentioned in the verse who have) "a barrier14
in front and behind them," so that you will not see (your) enemy,
and (yet your) enemy (will be) obvious.

The greed of hunting is negligence of being the prey; he (thinks he)
is winning a (sweet-) heart, but he is lacking a heart!

Don't be less than a bird in seeking, (since even) a sparrow sees
"in front (and) behind."

(Because) when it comes next to the seed, it turns (its) head and
face forward and behind (at that) moment.

755 Thinking, "I wonder (if) there is a hunter in front or behind
me?-- so that I should draw back from this morsel because of fear
of him."

You should see behind (you in) the stories (in the Qur'an) about the
wrongdoers; you should (also) look in front (of you) at the deaths
of (your) friends and neighbors,

For He brought destruction upon them without (need of) an
instrument, and He is connected to you in every situation.

God punished (them) without (need) of a hand or mace: so know
that God is the Justice-Maker without hands.

The one who would say [in public], "If God exists, where (is
He)?"-- he was on the (torture) rack15 confessing, "He [exists]!"

760 The one who said, "This ("existence") is strange and remote,"
was shedding tears and continually calling out: "O (You who are)
Near!"16

 

[MoonSun]

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In the year that you've been inactive on the forum, have you at least read the online Wave?
[/quote] Hi , I'm reading 1st chapter of first book, interesting stuffs but difficult as well because my mother tongue is not English so I have some problems to understand some things.