dannybananny
Jedi Council Member
Yeah, it's nice song. I like it.
Yeah, it's nice song. I like it.
davey72
The Living Force
no-man's-land said:
I have to agree with you. Just look at the search engines that the U.S. is using for checking key words in voice phone calls, and then convicting people based on some seemingly eroneous information. i am sorry that i do not have a link to the story that i am pertaining this to, but i have seen it in quite a few places. The case i am thinking of involved a couple different men, in which they showed the content of their phone calls that they were convicted on. It appeared to be just general conversation, and the histories of these gentlemen were reported in the article. They did not appear to have any terrorist ties whatsoever. It would seem then that the ptb can use this type of technology/excuse to get rid of whomever they want. Here is a link to give you the general idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy
I had my own run-in with the “boys in blue” back in Jan. 2010. I was working out west in 2 different states about 9hrs drive apart. I had recently moved into a flat and only had 1 key, so when I left for the other state I left that key with my partner. I had been in “state B” for 2 weeks and my partner had come there for the same job, but I needed to return to “state A” and I didn’t remember to get the key from him before I left. I arrived at the flat @ 24:00 and realized I had no key but my partner was to arrive @ 04:00. It was 19F with about .3m of snow on the ground, so I was sleeping (in my driveway) in my truck with the engine running, for heat. The next thing I recall is waking up face down in the snow, wet and freezing, handcuffed, with a knee on the back of my head, pressing my face into the snow covered street. Also knees were in my kidney and spine and there were red and blue strobe lights bouncing off of everything. The air was filled with radio chatter, and the voices of multiple “first responders”. I remember asking the a**hole, to not stand on my head, as the snow was unbearably cold. They then rolled over onto a body-board and strapped me down. At that point I could see 4 ambulances, multiple police cars and a dozen or so by-standers.
The scene looked like something out of a “Saw” movie. The ground was covered in snow and the contrast of blood on snow is quite dramatic (for those that have never seen such). I was then loaded onto an ambulance and transported to a local ER. While in transport, I remember hearing the medics and radio traffic talking about myself and 3 offices being taken to ER. I asked to be untied more than once, but they said that they could not until after I had been seen by a DR.
When we arrived at the hospital, I remember shaking uncontrollably from being wet and cold, to which they covered me with several blankets. I was strapped down, face-up and could only see the ceiling and those standing near me. I remember talking “smack” to the police captain about “another round, without his tazers and back-up”(not smart, I know)
After being in the ER for a few hours, I was able to put together what had happened to cause me to be there (from conversation between the medics and police). Apparently, the police were called to do a “welfare check” and when they opened the door to my truck, I didn’t “respond” fast enough (because I was asleep at 03:00). So they decided to taze me. Now I don’t know what response they were expecting from me at that point, but let’s just say it caught them off-guard.( Like shooting a Grizzly with a .22) I came-to, beating 3 of them into the hospital and 1 more needing minor treatment before I was tazed another 3x and beaten by 3 more.
My injuries were, tongue bitten through along the length of left side, 4 fractures to face and skull, 2 broken vertebrae in my neck, 1 broken vertebrae in my lower back, 4 broken ribs and 17 stitches to my face, not to mention bruises ect. I have no idea of the injuries to the officers as the medical staff was not allowed to discuss it, but from the chatter in the ER, it was quite serious. I fully expected to be arrested upon release from the hospital.
I remember the nurse’s surprise at my refusal for any meds or pain relief. My only request was ice water and pureed chilies. At one point they wanted to do blood work to see if I was “high” becacuase my pulse was still 168 after being there for 12 hrs. I refused the blood work and asked, what did they expect after being tazed 4-5x.
Although, I had done nothing wrong, but defend myself on my own property, I was sure there would be some sort of felony charges pending. To my surprise there were not only no charges, but no official record of the incident. It took me 3 days to find out where my truck had been impounded, because the police had no record.
One month after the above incident, I was stopped for “failure to signal” in which the officer approached my window with gun-drawn, and asked me to exit the vehicle and immediately placing me in cuffs with no questions asked.
The odd thing is that 4 cruisers with 2 officers each had stopped me for “no turn signal” in a remote part of the county. Even my layer said that “if I had not, had a passenger/witness, that they would have killed me that night” And that was my thoughts as well. They charged me with 6-7 bogus counts, all of which were thrown out in court, except the “failure to signal” which is impossible to prove. In addition, the officer stole a handgun from my truck (for which I was charged, but beat due to no evidence because it had disappeared)
I relay this for people like Meletonin and others that think this can’t happen to you because you have “nothing to hide”. Let me say that my job includes low-level security clearance due to working with FEMA, COE, DOT, energy companies, state and local govts. And I still found myself in this nightmare
The scene looked like something out of a “Saw” movie. The ground was covered in snow and the contrast of blood on snow is quite dramatic (for those that have never seen such). I was then loaded onto an ambulance and transported to a local ER. While in transport, I remember hearing the medics and radio traffic talking about myself and 3 offices being taken to ER. I asked to be untied more than once, but they said that they could not until after I had been seen by a DR.
When we arrived at the hospital, I remember shaking uncontrollably from being wet and cold, to which they covered me with several blankets. I was strapped down, face-up and could only see the ceiling and those standing near me. I remember talking “smack” to the police captain about “another round, without his tazers and back-up”(not smart, I know)
After being in the ER for a few hours, I was able to put together what had happened to cause me to be there (from conversation between the medics and police). Apparently, the police were called to do a “welfare check” and when they opened the door to my truck, I didn’t “respond” fast enough (because I was asleep at 03:00). So they decided to taze me. Now I don’t know what response they were expecting from me at that point, but let’s just say it caught them off-guard.( Like shooting a Grizzly with a .22) I came-to, beating 3 of them into the hospital and 1 more needing minor treatment before I was tazed another 3x and beaten by 3 more.
My injuries were, tongue bitten through along the length of left side, 4 fractures to face and skull, 2 broken vertebrae in my neck, 1 broken vertebrae in my lower back, 4 broken ribs and 17 stitches to my face, not to mention bruises ect. I have no idea of the injuries to the officers as the medical staff was not allowed to discuss it, but from the chatter in the ER, it was quite serious. I fully expected to be arrested upon release from the hospital.
I remember the nurse’s surprise at my refusal for any meds or pain relief. My only request was ice water and pureed chilies. At one point they wanted to do blood work to see if I was “high” becacuase my pulse was still 168 after being there for 12 hrs. I refused the blood work and asked, what did they expect after being tazed 4-5x.
Although, I had done nothing wrong, but defend myself on my own property, I was sure there would be some sort of felony charges pending. To my surprise there were not only no charges, but no official record of the incident. It took me 3 days to find out where my truck had been impounded, because the police had no record.
One month after the above incident, I was stopped for “failure to signal” in which the officer approached my window with gun-drawn, and asked me to exit the vehicle and immediately placing me in cuffs with no questions asked.
The odd thing is that 4 cruisers with 2 officers each had stopped me for “no turn signal” in a remote part of the county. Even my layer said that “if I had not, had a passenger/witness, that they would have killed me that night” And that was my thoughts as well. They charged me with 6-7 bogus counts, all of which were thrown out in court, except the “failure to signal” which is impossible to prove. In addition, the officer stole a handgun from my truck (for which I was charged, but beat due to no evidence because it had disappeared)
I relay this for people like Meletonin and others that think this can’t happen to you because you have “nothing to hide”. Let me say that my job includes low-level security clearance due to working with FEMA, COE, DOT, energy companies, state and local govts. And I still found myself in this nightmare
Ninas
Jedi
I'm sorry to hear that this terrible ordeal happened to you. This goes to show that we ARE living in a Police State/ One World Government. My advice to you would be to investigate what the laws are regarding these kinds of raids in Germany and what legal avenue you may have. Probably get a lawyer. If they have something similar to the Freedom of Information Act like they have in the U.S. It will be easier for your lawyer to find out. Write down any pertinant information that you can remember. Faces, uniforms, what they said, What they did (or what you think they did) etc. And do go to your local police Dept. and file a complaint so that they have it on record. Then go through all of your stuff and find out if anything is out of place or may be missing, or if anything is added somewhere. Remember if they want to watch you, there are cameras that are as small as a penny if not smaller. Check Everything.
Then consider yourself watched at all times.
Don't change your lifestyle because it could just be a terror tactic to try to stop you from doing something that they deem as pontentially dangerous and don't stop from meeting people because Isolation is their best advantage.
Then Relax, smoke if you smoke, do some Breathing excersizes and let it go...for now.
Good Luck. :)
Then consider yourself watched at all times.
Don't change your lifestyle because it could just be a terror tactic to try to stop you from doing something that they deem as pontentially dangerous and don't stop from meeting people because Isolation is their best advantage.
Then Relax, smoke if you smoke, do some Breathing excersizes and let it go...for now.
Good Luck. :)
no-man's-land said:
Winkler was considered subversive because Germany has passed laws calling whatever they want to label as anti-semitism a crime. Including making factual arguments about squirrely holocaust numbers and stories. (look at holocaustdenialvideos.com) Some would like to get similar laws passed in US and around the whole world. In Soviet Russia (whose eariest power structure and elites were almost entirely ethnic atheist Jews) it was a capital offense to be 'anti-semitic'. Possesing a copy of the Protocols sufficed. And they killed about 55 million mostly Christian Russians in the Gulags, according to Solzhenitsyn, and that's on top of the many millions more they deliberately starved and the millions more they tortured.
I found out the above when wondering why the Germans before and during WWII would consider Hitler a savior figure. Very simple. The international Jewish bankers financed the Russian Revolution, and created the Treaty of Versailles following WWI that beggared the Germans, and Jewish employment in German government jobs increased 1900% during the reparations period. Some of them were known Bolsheviks. The German people believed they were next for the Soviet type treatment, because communism/bolshevism was called "the World Revolution", and the Bolsheviks were in their government in large numbers. Read about the horrific brutality of the Soviets (for whom the word 'terrorism' was originally coined), and ask yourself how you would feel about this coming to your country. Most Americans are completely ignorant of this, but I assure you the Europeans of that era were well aware of it, and rightfully scared. When Hitler came to power, he fired all the Jews in government employ, because he did not know which ones were loyal to Germany and which were loyal to Bolshevism and the World Revolution. And the World Jewish Congress declared war on Germany for the dismissals. And the rest is history.
Re: Special forces raid my bed
Think about this for a sec. Why would anyone go through the enormous effort that has been put into manipulating, lying, dumbing down etc. the entire population on this planet for so many years? You think that we as "normal every-day" people are of little importance to the PTB, when the total opposite is true. Nobody is a nobody, and everyone is being followed. And the show goes on, with more restrictions, more draconian laws and so forth. We are being bombarded, in every way possible. The C's, who have a pretty good track record, said this as well. The PTB deal with everyone, every day, in every way possible, so how is this ''incredibly rare''?
Here's the relevant part from a session that I was referring to:
What happened to nml is just a glimpse of the reality we live in, of how we are being controlled (yes also at the ''police-level'', basically, on all levels). Just look at the attitude of the policemen, the attitude of the government. No apology, no one paying for a visit at a psychologist to work out the traumatic experience; nothing. Little explanation. Little empathy. And so forth. These are all signs that says that You as a citizen do not matter. We're in the higher places and you have to follow us and agree with us. And there is nothing you can do about it. How is that not controlling?
And in you, I kind of see an Authoritarian Follower. As explained by Laura:
"The Authoritarian Follower believes that those in authority have the right to live by their own rules, and lying, cheating, stealing and murder in high places can thus be tolerated with a shrug of the shoulders. They will also willingly engage themselves in the same lying, cheating, stealing and murder if it is presented to them as necessary to protect their status quo.
It is thanks to this type of person that even pure psychopaths in power can get away with the most egregious crimes in all fields of endeavor, from medicine to law, from industry to politics."
I think they're more happy with people like you who justify their ponerized acts in this way. And it's not really about feeling ''powerful'', it's simply about knowing and realizing what world we live in. Knowledge protects, Ignorance endangers.
melatonin said:
Think about this for a sec. Why would anyone go through the enormous effort that has been put into manipulating, lying, dumbing down etc. the entire population on this planet for so many years? You think that we as "normal every-day" people are of little importance to the PTB, when the total opposite is true. Nobody is a nobody, and everyone is being followed. And the show goes on, with more restrictions, more draconian laws and so forth. We are being bombarded, in every way possible. The C's, who have a pretty good track record, said this as well. The PTB deal with everyone, every day, in every way possible, so how is this ''incredibly rare''?
Here's the relevant part from a session that I was referring to:
What happened to nml is just a glimpse of the reality we live in, of how we are being controlled (yes also at the ''police-level'', basically, on all levels). Just look at the attitude of the policemen, the attitude of the government. No apology, no one paying for a visit at a psychologist to work out the traumatic experience; nothing. Little explanation. Little empathy. And so forth. These are all signs that says that You as a citizen do not matter. We're in the higher places and you have to follow us and agree with us. And there is nothing you can do about it. How is that not controlling?
And in you, I kind of see an Authoritarian Follower. As explained by Laura:
"The Authoritarian Follower believes that those in authority have the right to live by their own rules, and lying, cheating, stealing and murder in high places can thus be tolerated with a shrug of the shoulders. They will also willingly engage themselves in the same lying, cheating, stealing and murder if it is presented to them as necessary to protect their status quo.
It is thanks to this type of person that even pure psychopaths in power can get away with the most egregious crimes in all fields of endeavor, from medicine to law, from industry to politics."
melatonin said:
I think they're more happy with people like you who justify their ponerized acts in this way. And it's not really about feeling ''powerful'', it's simply about knowing and realizing what world we live in. Knowledge protects, Ignorance endangers.
dannybananny
Jedi Council Member
I think Jews were only a marionettes in this game, like with protocols it had to look like Jews are running the show to get Hitler in power and create hate because they had to be destroyed like C's said.
Lan8r
Jedi Master
no-man's land,
I am sorry to hear what you have gone through and am glad that you are finding answers and appear to be getting over it emotionally.
Melatonin,
I read your initial post a few days ago, I was very frustrated and wanted to take some time to think before responding. I didn't want my words to be clouded with emotion. I have since read another 2 pages of responses, and I might be exactly where I started! But I feel I have to say this now, or forever hold my peace.
I feel that your response to no-man's-land's traumatic experience lacked any feeling or empathy. It felt cold and heartless. You may feel that because you do no wrong something like this would never happen to you. But, in fact it did happen to you. Maybe not in the physical yet, but when something happens to a member of your family, friends or community, it happens to you. And realistically, it could have been you. And unfortunately, it could very well be you or anyone of us for that matter at anytime.
I don't live in UK, where CCTV cameras track your every move, I live in the US, where we are 'free to move around' our country. Where most of our 'security camera' devices are privately owned as are our ATM and other high tech tracking devices. But are at the disposal of our Police Force on demand. And can track a person as easily.
I know from experience how easy it is for some anonymous caller to law enforcement to claim they know the whereabouts of a wanted person, quite frequently a person who owes child support. Or possibly someone with a felony warrant who just happened to piss this caller off. I also know how often it happens that this person doesn't know the exact address, but knows the apartment complex, maybe even the building number, or the street and color of the house. Who offers just enough vague information to lead the police to an innocent person's home and to catch them quite literally with their pants down.
You may say, so what if this person has nothing to hide, has done no wrong then there is no problem. But that doesn't take away the fact that this person is a victim. This person has been violated. The neighbors have been violated when they are woken up at some ungodly hour hearing the banging on the door, 'open up, this is the police' and probably the barking of the k-9 dog just waiting to be set on a fleeing criminal.
This happens everyday. And will, no doubt happen more in the future. When people are told by the cops, by the media to call 911 for every suspicious thing they see. When they are told what should be thought of as suspicious. When every utility worker, cable man, delivery person is told to 'watch out for suspicious activity' and call 911. When the 911 call centers are taken over by the county or larger enforcement agencies and your local police depts can no longer serve the community in the way they were originally designed.
There are many good Police Officers out there, people who truly desire to protect and serve. Most of them, from my experience are older and wiser and are waiting out their last few years till retirement. Some are wishful thinkers, wanting to make the world a safer place. The majority are young, barely 20 yrs old, just out of Academy. They remind me of the young East German guards I saw at Check Point Charlie when I was a kid and visited East Berlin. No older than I was and carrying a rifle.
It is a sad reality, but a reality none the less. Because it may not have happened to you, or near you yet, doesn't make it less real. And don't for one minute think that because you may be a good person, or an innocent person that you won't be a victim of injustice. The world's prisons are filled with innocent victims.
I am sorry to hear what you have gone through and am glad that you are finding answers and appear to be getting over it emotionally.
Melatonin,
I read your initial post a few days ago, I was very frustrated and wanted to take some time to think before responding. I didn't want my words to be clouded with emotion. I have since read another 2 pages of responses, and I might be exactly where I started! But I feel I have to say this now, or forever hold my peace.
I feel that your response to no-man's-land's traumatic experience lacked any feeling or empathy. It felt cold and heartless. You may feel that because you do no wrong something like this would never happen to you. But, in fact it did happen to you. Maybe not in the physical yet, but when something happens to a member of your family, friends or community, it happens to you. And realistically, it could have been you. And unfortunately, it could very well be you or anyone of us for that matter at anytime.
I don't live in UK, where CCTV cameras track your every move, I live in the US, where we are 'free to move around' our country. Where most of our 'security camera' devices are privately owned as are our ATM and other high tech tracking devices. But are at the disposal of our Police Force on demand. And can track a person as easily.
I know from experience how easy it is for some anonymous caller to law enforcement to claim they know the whereabouts of a wanted person, quite frequently a person who owes child support. Or possibly someone with a felony warrant who just happened to piss this caller off. I also know how often it happens that this person doesn't know the exact address, but knows the apartment complex, maybe even the building number, or the street and color of the house. Who offers just enough vague information to lead the police to an innocent person's home and to catch them quite literally with their pants down.
You may say, so what if this person has nothing to hide, has done no wrong then there is no problem. But that doesn't take away the fact that this person is a victim. This person has been violated. The neighbors have been violated when they are woken up at some ungodly hour hearing the banging on the door, 'open up, this is the police' and probably the barking of the k-9 dog just waiting to be set on a fleeing criminal.
This happens everyday. And will, no doubt happen more in the future. When people are told by the cops, by the media to call 911 for every suspicious thing they see. When they are told what should be thought of as suspicious. When every utility worker, cable man, delivery person is told to 'watch out for suspicious activity' and call 911. When the 911 call centers are taken over by the county or larger enforcement agencies and your local police depts can no longer serve the community in the way they were originally designed.
There are many good Police Officers out there, people who truly desire to protect and serve. Most of them, from my experience are older and wiser and are waiting out their last few years till retirement. Some are wishful thinkers, wanting to make the world a safer place. The majority are young, barely 20 yrs old, just out of Academy. They remind me of the young East German guards I saw at Check Point Charlie when I was a kid and visited East Berlin. No older than I was and carrying a rifle.
It is a sad reality, but a reality none the less. Because it may not have happened to you, or near you yet, doesn't make it less real. And don't for one minute think that because you may be a good person, or an innocent person that you won't be a victim of injustice. The world's prisons are filled with innocent victims.
no-man's-land,
I am really sorry you had that very traumatizing event happen to you, and seekr your story was horrific too.
Melatonin,
Perhaps you haven't been paying close attention to SotT - there are frequent articles of someone having done nothing wrong yet are targets of brutal attacks. Below is just one recent example.
I am really sorry you had that very traumatizing event happen to you, and seekr your story was horrific too.
Melatonin,
Perhaps you haven't been paying close attention to SotT - there are frequent articles of someone having done nothing wrong yet are targets of brutal attacks. Below is just one recent example.
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no-mans-land
Guest
@seekr
WOW, that sounds really serve. I mean, sleeping in the car and then wake up while being beaten by the police is definitely way more traumatic than just scared by a gun in your face. I feel for you bro. It seems that we all going to have our opportunity's to learn first hand of where we living in reality. I hope you are over it.
I knew that, but I didn't want to tie it specially to antisemitism because his case is a good example of how things are generally handled here in Germany.
There is no possibility to do something against it here in Germany. It's perfect legal. But I currently try to write it down and maybe ask to publish it on the German Sott site. And I also know a huge German forum where I could re-post this sott link to reach more people than my local newspaper. The Admin there very likely considering such a story noteworthy.
WOW, that sounds really serve. I mean, sleeping in the car and then wake up while being beaten by the police is definitely way more traumatic than just scared by a gun in your face. I feel for you bro. It seems that we all going to have our opportunity's to learn first hand of where we living in reality. I hope you are over it.
monksgirl said:
I knew that, but I didn't want to tie it specially to antisemitism because his case is a good example of how things are generally handled here in Germany.
QHYAPPLE said:
There is no possibility to do something against it here in Germany. It's perfect legal. But I currently try to write it down and maybe ask to publish it on the German Sott site. And I also know a huge German forum where I could re-post this sott link to reach more people than my local newspaper. The Admin there very likely considering such a story noteworthy.
no-man's-land said:@seekr
WOW, that sounds really serve. I mean, sleeping in the car and then wake up while being beaten by the police is definitely way more traumatic than just scared by a gun in your face. I feel for you bro. It seems that we all going to have our opportunity's to learn first hand of where we living in reality. I hope you are over it.
I don't think you ever "get over" an experience like this (or at least never forget). I never got to feel fear from this, only terror of confusion and of no memory. The terror had nothing to do with the "fight" but not knowing what had happened in the melee preceding memory. I didn't sleep for the 36hrs spent in the hospital nor 12hrs after leaving. And I refused any/all meds other than saline drip. I can almost recite word for word the happenings of that time and most of what I know of what happened prior to memory is from the medics talking.
But once I was transferred from the ER to recovery, none of the staff knew any details of how I got there. I remember asking the nurse to see my charts and the reports to see where I had come from. There was no log from the ambulance that stated time of call or location of response. Nothing other than I was accompanied to Admissions by Capt. *****
It was twilight zone. Even after I was released, when I finally found out where my truck had been impounded, the Driver Manifest listed an address that didn't exist 5 miles from the city.
After years of recapitulation on this I still can't remember those few moments that led to myself and 3 "robo-cops" being transported to the ER. I have faced death more than once, so I can only think it was the electric tazer that erased/prevented these "memories". I say memories, because I never actually saw them, only the blood and the conversation of the medics, ER staff and radio chatter.
I can say that while I never really cared for "the badge"(although I was always polite) because of what it represents (PTB), I can say that I have several friends that were police/military that have taken early retirement because they didn't like the way "things were going" I have been in gov't contracting for decades and always had low-level clearance. I can say that since that experience, that the "fight or flight" feeling has been magnified to the extreme.
I may be wrong to say it, but the way I see it now, is that if I've to fight, I'll fight one of you b****** and not wait for your gang, er.. backup to arrive
Mod's note: Fixed quotes
NML I never meant to hi-jack your thread, but only to point out to those that still don't believe that you don't have to be a "criminal" to find yourself in such a situation.
I empathize with you for what you went through and I would agree with the advice given about finding out the legality of what they did and filing a formal complaint. If nothing else it will put the names of these tyrants on public record
I empathize with you for what you went through and I would agree with the advice given about finding out the legality of what they did and filing a formal complaint. If nothing else it will put the names of these tyrants on public record
dannybananny said:
the ethnic atheist Jews who were part of the planning and operations of the 'World Revolution' were not marionettes, they were perpetrators; the Jews who were not part of it became it's victims as well. Talmudic zionism is pretty much the present day incarnation (or timeless progression since wwII) of the plan. Too many similarities between that era and the present era of consolidation of NWO planning; many of the usual suspects in play as well.
dannybananny
Jedi Council Member
I think you are a bit subjective here, like in a previous thread when it seemed like you were giving excuses for people electing Hitler, and Nazis coming to power. Some of elite are probably "Jews", and no they are not atheist(they have a good deal of inside knowledge of this world), that's only mask for public, and do you really think elite would be taking positions in politics, I know I wouldn't, you'll be in danger in that way and could get eliminated if there's a change or upheaval in society, in these way politicians are scapegoats and they continue to be hidden hand. That Jews you mentioned were only prolonged hand of them, better to say nails on the fingers that get cut when they get to long.
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