bluenorther
The Force is Strong With This One
I don't know if this topic has been opened before: What kind of spirit guides/angels will attach themselves to a psychopath?
Spirit guides and psychopaths
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anart
A Disturbance in the Force
bluenorther said:
I don't know that your question can really be answered, and I think that may be due to the definition of 'spirit guide' or 'angel'. The only spirits that I am aware of that 'attach' themselves to an incarnated entity are spirit attachments - not guides, not angels. These are almost always negative attachments that cause issues of one sort or another, though they are very, very common.
In fact, it is my current, personal, understanding that most entities referred to as 'spirit guides' and 'angles' are actually 4D STS entities engaged in manipulation and deception of one kind or another. Perhaps it would help for you to explain your understanding of such entities and how that would apply to your question?
RyanX
The Living Force
bluenorther said:
bluenorther,
You might want to look into reading the book Operators and Things by Barbara O'Brien. There's a discussion of the book here:
“Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic” by Barbara O’Brien
This is kind of a murky topic and the terminology of these entities is not that clear. So if your understanding of "spirit guides/angels" matches the entities that Barbara O'Brien describes in her book, you might find it useful. Then again, maybe not.
bluenorther
The Force is Strong With This One
I'm a recent arrival and I'm trying to find your definitions for STS and STO-- what are they?
doublea1535
Jedi Council Member
bluenorther said:
Check out the Cassiopaea Glossary:
http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php
Clarekav
The Force is Strong With This One
Trying to understand sts and sto can be hard sometimes.I find at times what I think doing something of sto is really sts in disguise so there is a need to be watchful.
When it comes to angels or spirit guides from what I heard about them it sound like they are always on the ready to "help" you and that we are born with them but how do they know what is good for you or what decision in life is best.
Anything that thinks it knows what best for you looks like sts in nature.
I don't think it could be considered sto to have a personal angel all to oneself without give anything in return.
So when these creatures guide a person I wonder what they are getting from it.
When it comes to angels or spirit guides from what I heard about them it sound like they are always on the ready to "help" you and that we are born with them but how do they know what is good for you or what decision in life is best.
Anything that thinks it knows what best for you looks like sts in nature.
I don't think it could be considered sto to have a personal angel all to oneself without give anything in return.
So when these creatures guide a person I wonder what they are getting from it.
If a true psychopath (genetic kind) is just a defective Organic Portal, and an Organic Portal, by definition, has no higher centers, then there would probably be no "guardian angels" or "spirit guides." However, having said that, it is altogether possible that the psychopath can serve as a vessel for temporary - or even permanent - utilization by very dark entities.
bluenorther
The Force is Strong With This One
My thought re spirit guides is that they are the 4D entities who keep us aligned with the life paths we choose before we are born, "(y)our soul's plan" as Robert Schwartz calls it.
They also are manifest as the hand that stops us from walking across the street in front of a distracted driver!
Nothing implies that we have particular ones all to ourselves.
They are part of the soul community we interact with before we are born, and they will address what we have learned and need to learn between lives.
That's my take, anyway.
This implies that nobody comes here without a plan, therefore all of us are souled beings, including psychopaths.
In my own meditations, I've met a couple of guides, who only introduce themselves as "Guide" or similar. They're rather cryptic when I pose questions, and they make no effort to demand my loyalty. Rather, they seem to be assigned to me, and I can't change the assignment. They argue that they've done far more for me than I can imagine, and that may well be true. Too many events in my life have seemed like more than pure coincidence.
They also are manifest as the hand that stops us from walking across the street in front of a distracted driver!
Nothing implies that we have particular ones all to ourselves.
They are part of the soul community we interact with before we are born, and they will address what we have learned and need to learn between lives.
That's my take, anyway.
This implies that nobody comes here without a plan, therefore all of us are souled beings, including psychopaths.
In my own meditations, I've met a couple of guides, who only introduce themselves as "Guide" or similar. They're rather cryptic when I pose questions, and they make no effort to demand my loyalty. Rather, they seem to be assigned to me, and I can't change the assignment. They argue that they've done far more for me than I can imagine, and that may well be true. Too many events in my life have seemed like more than pure coincidence.
bluenorther
The Force is Strong With This One
Something I've been wrestling with for some years has been my relationship to an important client of mine. People seemed to know from the start there was a connection between us, and insisted we should be dating. She has/had no such ideas.
In the course of doing some past life work, I discovered, without looking, this woman and I have shared lives since the time of ancient Rome.
I had a vision of a time in the 1700's when she manipulated and betrayed me, horribly, leading to my death at the end of a rope. What could be more psychotic?
In this time, she has given me a "new" life, so to speak, in doing more for my career than anyone else. I was actually sent to her, at exactly the right place in time and space.
However, when I asked her for one gesture of appreciation for the work I carry out for her, she responded like a psychotic, "DARVO", ie Deny, Attack, Reverse the Victim Order.
I no longer work for her. Her best friend advises me "She has a disease." It was in reference to spending thousands of dollars on vet bills for sick animals that are better off without her care. She does nothing for other people.
What keeps me returning to this person?
I see a karma debt being repaid, but I don't wish to let her off so easily. Perhaps it is too great a debt to repay in one lifetime. Perhaps our soul-plan was to only repay this much, no more, and she adheres to the plan that she signed.
In the course of doing some past life work, I discovered, without looking, this woman and I have shared lives since the time of ancient Rome.
I had a vision of a time in the 1700's when she manipulated and betrayed me, horribly, leading to my death at the end of a rope. What could be more psychotic?
In this time, she has given me a "new" life, so to speak, in doing more for my career than anyone else. I was actually sent to her, at exactly the right place in time and space.
However, when I asked her for one gesture of appreciation for the work I carry out for her, she responded like a psychotic, "DARVO", ie Deny, Attack, Reverse the Victim Order.
I no longer work for her. Her best friend advises me "She has a disease." It was in reference to spending thousands of dollars on vet bills for sick animals that are better off without her care. She does nothing for other people.
What keeps me returning to this person?
I see a karma debt being repaid, but I don't wish to let her off so easily. Perhaps it is too great a debt to repay in one lifetime. Perhaps our soul-plan was to only repay this much, no more, and she adheres to the plan that she signed.
bluenorther said:
Well I don't think that this take on things is compatible with the concept of true free will, even if this is something which humans in their natural state can only aspire to. It seems to imply that we can rely on the vigilance of some higher being, something which will compensate when we let our guard down. As I see it, there is no 'hand that stops us from walking across the street in front of a distracted driver'. Have you had chance to read the Wave/Adventures series?
iloveyoghurt
Jedi
I had an ex lover who told me 1/2 way into our short (2year) relationship that he talked to a spirit named Tara. I was curious, but not interested, my concern at the time was only for the welfare of my partner. He told me that she "helps" him, but didn't really specify in what ways. She apparently told him that, she was murdered by her husband, back in the early 20C, on a farm, in the middle of nowhere. She wished for my partner to take revenge on the husband's family. Something that my partner told me that they "argue" about, as he refused her.
This spirit also told him that sometimes she starts fights between us, and also that she has attempted to "get to me", but that I was "a force to be reckoned with". A phrase I could not have imagined my lover at the time ever using otherwise.
It was a relationship that ended in trauma - I discovered that he was having unsavoury sexual relationships for a long time, outside of our relationship. Within three weeks of this discovery, amongst all the tears, confusion and grief, he was screaming at me that "you don't understand, I'm going to die". Something he had alluded to casually once before.
He went away for a holiday eventually, to clear his mind and possibly seek answers by reconnecting with his estranged father. In this time he drowned while jumping off rocks into a type of lagoon in a rainforest while on holiday (Qld, Australia). As if all that wasn't enough for my small brain and big heart to accommodate, this lagoon also had an aboriginal legend around it, about a virgin young girl-spirit that seduces young men into the water, of whom then drown. Uncannily, many young boys have drowned in this place.
It was the weirdest thing.
I know nothing about spirit attachments but I of course wonder about this event, and sometimes wonder about myself, and my life, as many horrible things seem to have happened in it. Sometimes I feel like there is a force/energy - a conscious one though - that is tripping me up.
I would like to know more about what I can do to discover, and of course protect myself, and clear any such energies that may be interfering with my journey.
This spirit also told him that sometimes she starts fights between us, and also that she has attempted to "get to me", but that I was "a force to be reckoned with". A phrase I could not have imagined my lover at the time ever using otherwise.
It was a relationship that ended in trauma - I discovered that he was having unsavoury sexual relationships for a long time, outside of our relationship. Within three weeks of this discovery, amongst all the tears, confusion and grief, he was screaming at me that "you don't understand, I'm going to die". Something he had alluded to casually once before.
He went away for a holiday eventually, to clear his mind and possibly seek answers by reconnecting with his estranged father. In this time he drowned while jumping off rocks into a type of lagoon in a rainforest while on holiday (Qld, Australia). As if all that wasn't enough for my small brain and big heart to accommodate, this lagoon also had an aboriginal legend around it, about a virgin young girl-spirit that seduces young men into the water, of whom then drown. Uncannily, many young boys have drowned in this place.
It was the weirdest thing.
I know nothing about spirit attachments but I of course wonder about this event, and sometimes wonder about myself, and my life, as many horrible things seem to have happened in it. Sometimes I feel like there is a force/energy - a conscious one though - that is tripping me up.
I would like to know more about what I can do to discover, and of course protect myself, and clear any such energies that may be interfering with my journey.
truth seeker
The Living Force
My initial thoughts are ee, diet and intake of knowledge which brings awareness and raises one's frequency. Working on the self in order to see more objectively helps with discernment - to know one thing from another if that makes sense. Every experience we have is an opportunity to ask ourselves, "What is the lesson?" and begin the task of learning what that is. Quite often, it's our own desire to run from the truth of said lessons that brings greater difficulties. So, when you think about the various experiences in your life, what do you think the lesson(s) was/were?
Seems as though your ex may have been subject to bidding and entranced by it. For what it's worth.
Seems as though your ex may have been subject to bidding and entranced by it. For what it's worth.
