StormCloudsGathering asking for help

meta-agnostic said:
He says in the video that in the last couple years his videos have gone from only getting a few thousand views to getting multiple hundreds of thousands. Looking through the back catalog of videos seems to support this:
https://www.youtube.com/user/StormCloudsGathering/videos
When clicking through a few of those videos, some of them still came up with ads. I guess that means the ad revenue is now going 100% to Google and they're not necessarily shy about showing ads on "controversial" videos, they just aren't going to share any of it with the content creators.

Our experience has been that google is about making money, period. If a product is bringing money, they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot.

I don't see anything wrong with him asking for donations to help out what he is doing, though.
 
Laura said:
meta-agnostic said:
That's not quite what I took away from the video. My understanding is that YouTube/Google "de-monetized" all of his old videos but left them up for viewing. He was relying on ad revenues from the videos in order to make new ones and now he has nothing coming in from that source. Due to Google's policy of refusing to monetize videos addressing "controversial subjects including war", there's no point in even trying to monetize new ones.

I've enjoyed and gained knowledge from his/their videos but it would seem that a model of relying completely on ad revenues from The Beast in order to spread messages of truth is doomed from the start, or at least severely problematic. Look at Zerohedge. If I leave their site open for too long the ads on it almost always crash my computer!

How many views do these videos have on them? I expect that the number of clicks of ads is around 2% of viewers. Anybody know how much a click pays?

Youtube pays out ad revenue based on impressions, not clicks. They talk about the dollar amount per CPM (cost per thousand impressions). According to the below article, in 2013 the average CPM was $7.60 (it's not clear if that's what the video uploader gets, or whether they get the 55% split of that amount with Youtube keeping 45%):

_http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032615/how-youtube-ad-revenue-works.asp
ENABLE ADSENSE FOR YOUTUBE ON YOUR ACCOUNT
The first two steps in earning online revenue with YouTube is to open an account and turn on account monetization. Enabling monetization requires accepting YouTube’s advertising guidelines and connecting to an AdSense account for payment. Enabling ads on your YouTube videos requires agreeing to Google’s ad revenue share for YouTube. There is a 45/55 split for all content creators, so Google keeps 45 percent of all YouTube advertising on your videos, and you get the remaining 55 percent.

UPLOAD A VIDEO AND PROMOTE
In order to earn revenue on a video, you need to first post videos on your YouTube account. You can create and edit your videos in advance using an editing program such as Adobe (ADBE) Premier or Apple’s (AAPL) iMovie, or you can upload a raw video from your phone or computer and use the YouTube video editor. Once your video is online, you need people to watch it. Promote your content on social networks, to family and friends, on blogs, Tumblr (YHOO), and any other possible digital outlet. More views means more money in your pocket.

In 2013, the average cost per thousand (CPM) for YouTube was $7.60. CPM (cost per thousand) is an industry term that represents revenue per thousand views. In 2013, the average income for each YouTube content creator was $7.60 per every thousand views. A video with 500 views would have earned roughly $3.80. A video like Gangnam Style with a billion views would earn $7.8 million. Some videos earn a higher or lower than average rate depending on the video content. Videos containing copyrighted music do not earn revenue for the video creator, and some topics may not attract advertisers. Others have a strong draw from advertisers and drive up the CPM.

If you’re having trouble getting views, try to be creative on where you share your videos. Targeting an audience with an interest in your type of content works better than trying to appeal to a general audience, so you may find better results from a Facebook (FB) group, sub-Reddit or forum about the specific topic. Also be sure to set up your individual channel settings so if one video becomes popular visitors can easily find related videos you’ve created.

GET PAID
Once you link your AdSense account to your YouTube account, you will receive credit for each video’s monthly revenue. Once you accumulate $100 in earnings, Google will issue a payment to your bank account. You can choose to be paid via direct deposit (not available in all countries) or check—direct deposit is the fastest method and has no fee. If you are located in the United States and earn more than $600 per year, Google will issue a 1099 form. Either way, you are required to pay income tax on your earnings.

THE BOTTOM LINE
Individuals and businesses make millions of dollars through YouTube advertising, but there are risks to using a platform controlled by another company. Not only is there a chance that a change in Google's search algorithms could make or break video traffic, but Google also takes a hefty 45 percent cut of revenue from video advertising. Nevertheless, YouTube is a massive platform and is the world's second largest search engine after Google, which includes YouTube videos in search results. If the benefits of reaching YouTube's large audience and having Google handle the most labor intensive parts of building an advertising network outweigh the costs and risks, this platform is a great resource for turning videos into cash.

So if he had a video that got 100,000 views and the revenue sharing amount he got was the average $7.60 CPM, he'd make $760 (although he'd have to pay 25-30% of that in taxes).

There's also a long thread here with people having this problem and youtube support working with them: _https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/monetization-on-youtube/yQLvmxEWKKY
 
Laura said:
Anybody know how much a click pays?

I don't know what it is now, but I found this:

In 2013, the average cost per thousand (CPM) for YouTube was $7.60. CPM (cost per thousand) is an industry term that represents revenue per thousand views. In 2013, the average income for each YouTube content creator was $7.60 per every thousand views. A video with 500 views would have earned roughly $3.80. A video like Gangnam Style with a billion views would earn $7.8 million. Some videos earn a higher or lower than average rate depending on the video content. Videos containing copyrighted music do not earn revenue for the video creator, and some topics may not attract advertisers. Others have a strong draw from advertisers and drive up the CPM.
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Once you accumulate $100 in earnings, Google will issue a payment to your bank account. You can choose to be paid via direct deposit (not available in all countries) or check—direct deposit is the fastest method and has no fee. If you are located in the United States and earn more than $600 per year, Google will issue a 1099 form. Either way, you are required to pay income tax on your earnings.

Source: How Youtube Ad Revenue Works (GOOG) _http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032615/how-youtube-ad-revenue-works.asp#ixzz3mlOyzTIu
 
Laura said:
Aeneas said:
Thank you Nicolas for bringing attention to this. I signed up for a monthly donation, even if I don't like Paypal.

They do a good job and I think they have to learn or realise that they too need to network as it simply is too difficult alone with all the various forms of attacks.

Yes. That's why I'm usually disinclined to give too much energy (or funds) to those who haven't figured out the networking angle. Without feedback, they very often go off the rails as we have seen SO often. A one time thing, yeah, but then I watch them for awhile.
I decided for the small monthly donation option so as to see how he goes. If he reads this thread and begins to network, then he will be on a path forward towards self-sustainability, which is what permaculture is all about :cool2:
 
Just saw this via twitter, apparently StormCloudsGathering is not alone:
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/09/google-starving-out-independent-anti-war-journalism.html
Google Starving Out Independent Antiwar Journalists
TOPICS:GoogleJoe Wrightmedia

September 24, 2015
By Joe Wright

While mainstream media routinely uses shock imagery to induce fear over all manner of threats to America and its allies, some independent Internet journalists are being restricted by advertising policies which penalize them for countering the establishment view.

A disturbing trend seems to have emerged around March, 2015. On the 24th, long-time YouTube activist Luke Rudkowski from WeAreChange.org announced his suspicions that his YouTube Adsense account was targeted for an extreme downturn.

In the last few days we noticed our YouTube numbers take a massive down turn while the majority of our new videos and top videos have been demonetized with no explanation at all. We looked at our website and social media numbers and they were better than ever but for some reason – our YouTube channel took a massive hit.

WeAreChange as a fully independent news organization relies on the majority of its funding from the YouTube Google Adsense account, the ads that play before or along side the content that we provide. These ads have been taken away from the majority of our channel, some videos remain monetized but the ones generating the most hits and the new ones have been disabled with no option to change, reverse and challenge the decision.
Luke recounts further details in this video:
[embedded video]
On March 29th, one of the leading websites on this specific issue, Antiwar.com, published an article entitled, “Don’t See Evil: Google’s Boycott Campaign Against War Photography and Alternative Media.” After offering some context for how Google has become an entrenched part of the suffocating blanket of “national security,” specifics are given about how it is actually Google policy to target those who have helped to expose war crimes and other atrocities:
On the morning of March 18, Eric Garris, founder and webmaster of the site, received a form email from Google AdSense informing him that all of Antiwar.com’s Google ads had been disabled. The reason given was that one of the site’s pages with ads on it displayed images that violated AdSense’s policy against “violent or disturbing content, including sites with gory text or images.”

Of course the images in question were not “snuff,” or anything intended for titillation whatsoever. They were the famous images of detainee abuse at the Abu Ghraib US military prison in Iraq. Those images are important public information, especially for Americans. They are the previously secret documentation of horrific state violence inflicted in our name and funded by our tax dollars.
Rather than being a blip on the screen, or perhaps a glitch as Activist Post’s own Google issue was deemed to be, the pattern continues and may even be widening in scope.

WeAreChange put out a tweet on May 20th bringing attention to another of their videos that had been targeted.

[embedded tweets]

The latest site to be victimized by YouTube policy is the fantastic work of StormCloudsGathering, a channel that alternative media routinely features, and has grown to 465,000 subscribers and 45 million views. It should be a purely positive story of how one husband and wife team built a massive platform for anti-war activism and political analysis. It shows both the power that each of us can wield, as well as the power of the message itself which continues to grow exponentially. But apparently those with connections to the military surveillance complex feel extremely threatened. The story of StormCloudsGathering must be heard in this video, as it highlights an important human element behind our daily news feed.

[embedded video]

It is a disappointing irony that the very people most opposed to violence are being crippled by policies which claim to be curbing violent imagery. It is important to note, however, that in the case of Antiwar.com and Activist Post, severe pressure from readers turned the tides abruptly. These developments serve as a reminder that we are our own best advocates and support network. If we are to continue bringing our message of peace, love and liberty, it will increasingly have to be done under our own terms and conditions.

You can read more from Joe Wright at ActivistPost.com
 
Yes, they will starve out or destroy anybody who doesn't have a good network, that's for sure.
 
Aeneas said:
Laura said:
Aeneas said:
Thank you Nicolas for bringing attention to this. I signed up for a monthly donation, even if I don't like Paypal.

They do a good job and I think they have to learn or realise that they too need to network as it simply is too difficult alone with all the various forms of attacks.

Yes. That's why I'm usually disinclined to give too much energy (or funds) to those who haven't figured out the networking angle. Without feedback, they very often go off the rails as we have seen SO often. A one time thing, yeah, but then I watch them for awhile.
I decided for the small monthly donation option so as to see how he goes. If he reads this thread and begins to network, then he will be on a path forward towards self-sustainability, which is what permaculture is all about :cool2:

I made a small donation. I hope he can sort things out. I like his articles and what he's doing with the permaculture project. :cool2:
 
Yes, I think the videos were demonetized but still available for viewing. He gets around 30k views per day and revenues tend to be around $1 to $5 per 1,000 views. Considering the content of his videos I thought he would have expected this kind of attack and had a way for people to give donations much earlier. I hope he's still able to produce some good content in the future.
 
Hmm, it seems like those few hundred thousand and million views videos could make a lot of money. Too bad they are usually about trashy and mundane things like videogames. I made a donation. I'd like to see him make more videos, and I guess we'll see how he fares.
 
So what about alternative platforms like Vimeo - I often, when given the choice between a video being on either YT or Vimeo, select Vimeo. In this link, it talks about a " 90/10" revenue split - https://vimeo.com/61103187 which is a "on demand" format.

All On Demand pages are built into Vimeo’s worldwide creative network that reaches more than 100 million viewers each month.
 
This may be in the midst of becoming a separate and common issue from the SCG thing. Philip DeFranco has made a big stink about getting the de-monetization treatment in his latest video:
He claims the violation is for commenting on a viral video where a "social justice warrior" is rude to a Lyft driver over a hula girl doll on his dashboard and/or showing recent video posted by Chris Brown as he was surrounded by police in his house as they answered a charge about him holding a gun to a woman. The relative pointlessness of these subjects highlights the absurdity, but now the owners of dozens of other accounts are coming out of the woodwork to claim they've received similar treatment over time. This Philip DeFranco seems to be a large, relatively mainstream account that's garnering a lot of attention. I don't regularly watch him but I've encountered his vids from time to time; it seems he may poke into an odd news story from time to time but nothing particularly deep. The hashtag #YouTubeIsOverParty is now a top trend on twitter as a result. Of course some of our favorite 'conspiracy theorists' are voicing themselves as among the affected along with those who post videos on relatively innocuous subjects like depression and applying makeup.
 
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