Strength Training: Rethinking Everything We Thought We Knew?

Approaching strength training as an exercise in nervous system coordination is well known. I learned this 25 years ago studying sport science. It’s not exclusive to Russian athletes, any athlete who has reached the top of their sport has spent hours perfecting technique, control, and coordination. Knowing how to surgically apply maximum power to a movement making it look effortless.

I know this from working with New Zealand world class and Olympic athletes as well having been in teams that beat the Russians at world championship events myself (Including my claim to fame—a friendly isometric squat hold competition in the athletes village 😂).

Edit: I will say that my biomechanics lecturer back then (25 years ago in New Zealand) was Russian and he told us how he moved initially to the USA and worked with their Olympic track team, the first thing he did was slash their training programmes in half to increase recovery time. Performance immediately improved. Im guessing this would have been early eighties. So the Russians seemed to be ahead of the training game in many respects.
CNS-based strength and coordination training isn’t unique to Russia — all elite athletes use it. The difference is that Soviet sport systems formalized and applied these principles earlier and more consistently, especially in combat sports, gymnastics, and explosive disciplines. Strength was treated as a neuromuscular skill, not just muscle size. Modern Western training has largely converged toward the same approach, emphasizing coordination, recovery, and efficient force production. And a big part of that convergence happened thanks to the migration of Soviet/Russian coaches to the West, which you actually confirmed with your example.
Many sports trained CNS qualities long before the term “CNS-based training” even existed. Power and coordination were emphasized through speed, relaxation, timing, and precision, not just muscle mass or brute strength. Strength was understood as a neuromuscular skill, relying on efficient activation and control rather than constant tension.
What the Soviet system did differently wasn’t inventing these ideas, but formalizing and systematizing them. They analyzed motor learning, neural efficiency, recovery of the nervous system, and explosive force production scientifically, then applied these methods consistently across entire sports systems, not just in isolated disciplines or through individual coaches.
By the 1980s and 1990s, Soviet coaches had already migrated to the West, which is why CNS-focused training became “well known” — the methodologies were already being absorbed into Western elite sport programs.
 
I'm no bodybuilding fan boy, but to claim bodybuilders have 'no real functional strength' is completely false. The world class bodybuilders are incredibly strong - just check out the regime of, for example, Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates. Like it or not, there is a feedback loop between strength and muscle size. Bodybuilders on steroids often wreck their joints because the muscle growth, and hence strength and capacity for very lifting heavy weights, often out paces the rate at which the joints tendons develop. Leaving many strength athletes in varying states of incapacity after they retire.

I think we're fetishizing russian training techniques to be honest. They simply do not display a marked superiority to 'western' athletes in any elite athletic pursuit.
What many don’t realize is that functional strength is very different from raw strength or muscle size. World-class bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates are incredibly strong in lifting heavy weights, but that doesn’t automatically translate to explosive, coordinated, sport-specific movement under dynamic conditions — which is what functional strength really is.
Functional strength involves:
Neuromuscular coordination (CNS control of muscles)
Explosive power (rapid force production)
Endurance under variable loads and positions
Transfer to real-world or sport-specific movements
Bodybuilders focus primarily on hypertrophy and lifting mechanics for muscle growth, often in controlled, predictable conditions. That’s why, while they’re strong, they cannot necessarily generate the same force in dynamic, complex, or unstable situations as combat athletes, gymnasts, or explosive sport athletes.
So when we talk about “functional strength,” it’s not a criticism of their effort or strength, it’s a different type of capacity — adapted for movement and performance, not appearance or maximal lifts.
Bodybuilding is mainly about appearance, not practical efficiency. Gym lifts and machines don’t replicate real-world or sport-specific demands — like lifting unpredictable, heavy loads — where functional strength really matters. Strength in combat sports, gymnastics, or daily tasks relies on coordination, explosiveness, and adaptability, not just muscle size.

Most bodybuilders also lack practical life-applicable strength and cardiovascular capacity, and without up to the max chemistry they are done after one month, and they are lucky if they live to ther 50 ies.


And to add even though CNS-based training is now available in the West, Russian athletes still lead in many sports, especially combat sports, gymnastics, and explosive events. This isn’t just about CNS work — it’s also how they train smarter: longer, technically focused sessions that emphasize skill, efficiency, and recovery, rather than constantly punishing, high-intensity workouts that risk injury. That’s why Russian systems continue to produce elite athletes, even decades after their methods influenced the West.


 
What many don’t realize is that functional strength is very different from raw strength or muscle size. World-class bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates are incredibly strong in lifting heavy weights, but that doesn’t automatically translate to explosive, coordinated, sport-specific movement under dynamic conditions — which is what functional strength really is.
Functional strength involves:
Neuromuscular coordination (CNS control of muscles)
Explosive power (rapid force production)
Endurance under variable loads and positions
Transfer to real-world or sport-specific movements
Bodybuilders focus primarily on hypertrophy and lifting mechanics for muscle growth, often in controlled, predictable conditions. That’s why, while they’re strong, they cannot necessarily generate the same force in dynamic, complex, or unstable situations as combat athletes, gymnasts, or explosive sport athletes.
So when we talk about “functional strength,” it’s not a criticism of their effort or strength, it’s a different type of capacity — adapted for movement and performance, not appearance or maximal lifts.
Bodybuilding is mainly about appearance, not practical efficiency. Gym lifts and machines don’t replicate real-world or sport-specific demands — like lifting unpredictable, heavy loads — where functional strength really matters. Strength in combat sports, gymnastics, or daily tasks relies on coordination, explosiveness, and adaptability, not just muscle size.

Most bodybuilders also lack practical life-applicable strength and cardiovascular capacity, and without up to the max chemistry they are done after one month, and they are lucky if they live to ther 50 ies.


And to add even though CNS-based training is now available in the West, Russian athletes still lead in many sports, especially combat sports, gymnastics, and explosive events. This isn’t just about CNS work — it’s also how they train smarter: longer, technically focused sessions that emphasize skill, efficiency, and recovery, rather than constantly punishing, high-intensity workouts that risk injury. That’s why Russian systems continue to produce elite athletes, even decades after their methods influenced the West.



Sounds quite right and logical to me from my limited perspective.
 
What many don’t realize is that functional strength is very different from raw strength or muscle size. World-class bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates are incredibly strong in lifting heavy weights, but that doesn’t automatically translate to explosive, coordinated, sport-specific movement under dynamic conditions — which is what functional strength really is.
Functional strength involves:
Neuromuscular coordination (CNS control of muscles)
Explosive power (rapid force production)
Endurance under variable loads and positions
Transfer to real-world or sport-specific movements
Bodybuilders focus primarily on hypertrophy and lifting mechanics for muscle growth, often in controlled, predictable conditions. That’s why, while they’re strong, they cannot necessarily generate the same force in dynamic, complex, or unstable situations as combat athletes, gymnasts, or explosive sport athletes.
So when we talk about “functional strength,” it’s not a criticism of their effort or strength, it’s a different type of capacity — adapted for movement and performance, not appearance or maximal lifts.
Bodybuilding is mainly about appearance, not practical efficiency. Gym lifts and machines don’t replicate real-world or sport-specific demands — like lifting unpredictable, heavy loads — where functional strength really matters. Strength in combat sports, gymnastics, or daily tasks relies on coordination, explosiveness, and adaptability, not just muscle size.

Most bodybuilders also lack practical life-applicable strength and cardiovascular capacity, and without up to the max chemistry they are done after one month, and they are lucky if they live to ther 50 ies.


And to add even though CNS-based training is now available in the West, Russian athletes still lead in many sports, especially combat sports, gymnastics, and explosive events. This isn’t just about CNS work — it’s also how they train smarter: longer, technically focused sessions that emphasize skill, efficiency, and recovery, rather than constantly punishing, high-intensity workouts that risk injury. That’s why Russian systems continue to produce elite athletes, even decades after their methods influenced the West.


Yes, I anticipated that you would respond citing the definition of functional strength. Strength, in the context of this thread - which opened, remember, with videos of a powerlifter - is the ability to move mass against a force. And nobody has provided a novel or game changing technique in that regard within this thread.

Increasing raw strength will translate to the function in which it is deployed. Take American football or rugby players - they train squat, bench, and deadlift to increase raw strength which, coupled to their specialised sport specific training regimes, becomes functional in that domain.

My concern in this thread is that there is a 'belief' that a technique or system exists that will enable progression beyond natural limits in the strength domain. It is my view that the belief exists because the multi billion dollar fitness industry depends, for it's profits, upon that belief. A thought experiment may illustrate the point. Imagine that the people in this thread, who have devoted say five to ten years pursuing strength goals (which includes myself) had instead trained for sprint. I don't think I'd have to work very hard to convince anyone that we'd all reach our natural speed ceiling and that would be that. And that's because we are not exposed to mountains of imagery and narrative on the internet promising that a new or hitherto undiscovered technique will enable us to run faster than we are naturally capable of. It's unhealthy and unrealistic, and isnt any different in principle to the unhealthy and unrealistic beauty ideals women have been subjected to for goodness knows how long. It's the male version. And the people making the strength and fitness promises are, overwhelmingly, juiced to the gills.
 
With tension I'd only caution injury, if you don't have proper form, you can injure an unrelated muscle to what you're trying to train. so, thread carefully.

But yes, I'd say give it a shot and let us know what you discover!

Yeah, doing this after age 30 sounds like a recipe for being unable to move your neck for a week :lol:

My concern in this thread is that there is a 'belief' that a technique or system exists that will enable progression beyond natural limits in the strength domain. It is my view that the belief exists because the multi billion dollar fitness industry depends, for it's profits, upon that belief. A thought experiment may illustrate the point. Imagine that the people in this thread, who have devoted say five to ten years pursuing strength goals (which includes myself) had instead trained for sprint. I don't think I'd have to work very hard to convince anyone that we'd all reach our natural speed ceiling and that would be that. And that's because we are not exposed to mountains of imagery and narrative on the internet promising that a new or hitherto undiscovered technique will enable us to run faster than we are naturally capable of. It's unhealthy and unrealistic, and isnt any different in principle to the unhealthy and unrealistic beauty ideals women have been subjected to for goodness knows how long. It's the male version. And the people making the strength and fitness promises are, overwhelmingly, juiced to the gills.
This is very true. There's always got to be some new thing for the hype and for the views. Exercise is a solved problem for the most part (the only hard part is sticking to it), although its good to experiment with different things and find what works for you.

Also you do hit a personal ceiling at which point you're simply very strong and there's no point in going further. I kind of hit this point recently, so started to focus on running instead. Starting as a novice, I now get to eat up all those progression dopamine cookies all over again on a new path.
 
When it comes to that Anatoly guy I‘m pretty sure that he is really incredibly strong for his size and mass and much of what you see there is real. Yes, it could very well be that he is faking stuff from time to time to get more views especially the reactions of “huge“ people and perhaps sometimes using fake weights (but I would tend to think that isn’t what is happening most of the time). I saw the guy train outside of his channel uncut with really “huge“ and world class people that use enhancers on top of that and I don’t think anything was faked in there. In most cases (no matter the exercise) he could keep up with those “monsters“ easily and in certain exercises even outperform them quite a bit. I also know that he uses a method for training that is pretty different than what most people recommend and I think in essence at least partly it might come closer to some of the principles “the Soviets“ used.

There might be something a little shady going on, but overall the guy is within the normal, strong standards for someone who weighs around 80 kilos (I'd even say he's a bit below elite level). He just respects the basic principles of training and enjoys the journey. It's normal for most people to be able to deadlift three times their body weight in about three years, although each year you continue training you'll gain less strength than at the beginning. I weigh about 65 kilos, after losing a few extra kilos of fat that don't really count, and I deadlift over 200 kilos. I didn't do anything magical other than respect my sleep, eating, and training regimen.
Also, repetition as often as possible in perfect form seems to be a key component of what he is suggesting as well as the rests in between the sets and the total rest on day 7.

And apparently in order for that to work effectively you should give the brain during and after the workout set the right signals via the body in order for “neurons“ to connect into new channels more or less permanently and he seems to suggest that you explicitly can’t do that in any good/efficient way when you feel tired, fatigued, pumped, have muscle pains or feel stressed or out of breath in any strong way during or after the workout.
In any training program, there's a nearly universal triad you can play with: intensity, volume, and frequency. You can always increase two, but you must decrease one. (Substances can violate this to some extent, but not entirely).
"In the Russian method," as applied to this type of training or to elite lifters, the priority is to decrease intensity and gradually increase volume and frequency (they still work at high intensities of between 80% and 85% of their one-repetition maximum most of the time, but moving away from 100%, and only have a small workload above 90% during specific periods of the program).

It makes sense and it works because by using lighter loads and moving away from muscle failure, you maintain optimal technique while increasing the repeatability of the movement. The more you repeat a movement, the better you become at it on a neurological level. As you move away from failure with an optimal load, you can do more sets, less muscle damage, and less overload on your nervous system, allowing you to repeat the movement more times per week and becoming more efficient. The idea is to prevent the nervous system from "forgetting" the movement and losing neural coordination.

Maintaining proper technique throughout the body also makes sense because your weakest area is what breaks you down and limits you. Poor technique or having a "loose" muscle group will only prevent you from progressing further, even if it makes it easier to increase weights and volume, because the leverage and strength in that area won't be sufficient for the task, and you'll have to regress significantly.
It's actually bodybuilders that develop functional strength overall since they aim to develop muscular size in all areas of the body. So if by functional strength you mean something that has the most carryover to performing daily activities, training more like a bodybuilder rather than a strength athlete would be better if you ask me. Or maybe combining pure strength training and hypertrophy training.

But overall, my take on training is that there are not many shortcuts or secrets, it takes consistency and putting in the time, finding out what works for you via trial end error. Some things will work for a period of time, and then they will stop working and you have to adjust. There is a lot of content out there that gets marketed as if they've discovered something new and that works across the board, but it's mostly just a sales pitch.
The most impactful training is that which achieves the greatest transfer to the activity or sport you practice; that is, it should be specific and mimic the same movements as closely as possible, or target the same muscle groups. Strength is the quality that allows all others to be expressed or improved, therefore it's a good idea to do periods of strength training, which is also the only type of training that prevents bone and muscle degradation. You can do other types of training, but at some point you will lose effectiveness because your biological structures will degrade with age.

Regarding the second point, that's absolutely true. There are many methods, and if they make sense, they usually give similar results. But it's always appreciated to find one that better suits the time and other daily activities of each individual; most people aren't elite athletes.
Given that we live in an age where many things/truths are being called into question, it is worth asking ourselves about this topic, and as said, you found an interresting one here ! I have always heard that to build muscles one have to push them to their limits in order to, if I understand correctly and in summary, create micro-tears that will result in increased muscle size and mass (however, I don't have the details of how this works, but I suppose it can be found somewhere).
Muscle growth and strength depend primarily on the mechanical tension (which is exactly what it sounds like: applying a sufficient load to generate tension in the muscles) to which a muscle is subjected, and secondarily on the fatigue and time under tension resulting from applying that mechanical tension correctly.

In other words, it's pointless to reverse the order and seek fatigue or increase training time without applying mechanical tension correctly. Fast-twitch muscle fibers are the ones that primarily generate strength through improved recruitment due to the creation of more efficient neural networks, but they are also the ones that produce the most muscle volume because, unlike slow-twitch fibers, they tend to hypertrophy much more. While the other fibers may grow a little, their improvements are mainly at a physiological-chemical level since they are typically used in endurance activities.

Why am I saying all this? Because the body knows which fibers to use according to the speed of execution. To apply the greatest mechanical tension to fast-twitch muscle fibers, you must always perform the movements at the highest possible speed (while respecting proper technique, of course). Otherwise, you will primarily recruit slow-twitch fibers with a low capacity to produce force and muscle hypertrophy. You will end up fatigued at some point and will have barely worked the fast-twitch fibers, since although the mechanical tension is high, it only acts on the slow-twitch fibers.

With higher intensities, mechanical tension is usually at its maximum from the first repetition (1-5 repetitions), and with repetitions of 6-12-30, it tends to take longer to appear and usually arrives in the last 5 repetitions of a set (even so, moving away from muscle failure by 1-3 repetitions, as we saw in the "Russian method," makes sense and is still efficient). Whatever the repetition range between 5-30, if the principle of maximum speed is respected, the hypertrophy gained is the same (at the muscle fiber level; with higher repetitions, greater hypertrophy is also achieved at the level of cell cytoplasm; strength is also a continuum, but at higher intensity ranges, there will be a greater improvement in neuronal connections, so it is not as replicable in terms of results with different training as hypertrophy; even so, you will gain strength anyway with different training).

What many don’t realize is that functional strength is very different from raw strength or muscle size. World-class bodybuilders like Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates are incredibly strong in lifting heavy weights, but that doesn’t automatically translate to explosive, coordinated, sport-specific movement under dynamic conditions — which is what functional strength really is.

True, but once strength athletes reach peak efficiency and begin to plateau in their progression, they often resort to training cycles focused more on muscle mass gain. Both strength and hypertrophy mutually benefit from each other's improvement, and this is even more noticeable at advanced levels.

If substances are not used, most people will see more benefits than limitations from "bodybuilding" training. It's even better if combined with other training methods. Functional or strength training might offer some greater benefits, but if you can't do that, this is much better than nothing, and there are more benefits than potential problems. You also won't grow disproportionately, nor will there be as much risk of injury to tendons and similar structures due to the aforementioned absence of substances in normal individuals. Furthermore, without substances, no body will be able to withstand training volume levels as high as those of bodybuilders.

FWIW.
I see many complaints of shoulder pain/injuries. If it's not due to bad posture or joint limitations, I think that in many cases, specific shoulder training would help. This is often seen in exercises like bench press or variations, and it's because the stimulus in that exercise is insufficient for this muscle group, and the pectorals develop more and more, exaggerating the muscle imbalance and thus the problems.
 
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