STS / STO in 1D, 2D

[cubbex]

I'm amazed by the idea that humans on earth were STO and failed in that way to bring us here, how ignorant we were to do this? how even being STO there were things we couldn't see. I think that's why the bigger and most important universal or planetary lesson, is to understand the ponerology, the psychopaths and that kind of beings so we would know the difference, and the dangers of it.

Is incredible.

 

[pstott]

I'm amazed by the idea that humans on earth were STO and failed in that way to bring us here, how ignorant we were to do this? how even being STO there were things we couldn't see. I think that's why the bigger and most important universal or planetary lesson, is to understand the ponerology, the psychopaths and that kind of beings so we would know the difference, and the dangers of it.

Is incredible.

Well, that is one point of view...

However we have been told that one desirable factor is acceleration of the pace of development. I know that Mr. G said that part of the Work was tied up with experiencing the - what was the word - something like negative influences of others...

So perhaps this is all ultimately the best thing for our self-improvement?

 

[Kisito]

To answer your question Akar, it seems to me that the 1D or 2D souls are not human, the human souls integrated(joined) 3D 300 009 years ago. Carlos Castanéda says that 1D or 2D, minerals and vegetables are inorganic and purely feminine souls.

 

[anart]

To answer your question Akar, it seems to me that the 1D or 2D souls are not human, the human souls integrated(joined) 3D 300 009 years ago. Carlos Castanéda says that 1D or 2D, minerals and vegetables are inorganic and purely feminine souls.

Why would a soul be masculine or feminine, when gender is a body attribute not a soul attribute?

 

[Kisito]

No idea, it's Don Juan who tells that in " The art to dream " about souls D1 and D2! Maybe it is the feminine original energy? He says that these feminine souls like capturing the male souls. Maybe he mentions in bodies subtle subordinates, the emotional or mental body? Maybe that it's the spiritual body (real soul) which is asexual or which sexual of identification! Maybe it's for that reason that 3D spiritual are less attracted by the sex?

 

[Carl]

No idea, it's Don Juan who tells that in " The art to dream " about souls D1 and D2! Maybe it is the feminine original energy? He says that these feminine souls like capturing the male souls. Maybe he mentions in bodies subtle subordinates, the emotional or mental body? Maybe that it's the spiritual body (real soul) which is asexual or which sexual of identification! Maybe it's for that reason that 3D spiritual are less attracted by the sex?

Would you mind posting the actual excerpt from the book where you read this? I find that in his book The Art of Dreaming the word "feminine" is only used once, and not in the context you're talking about.

 

[Kisito]

It is in the French edition(publishing) "POCKET spirituality" Chapter 10. Pursue the trackers:
" [] I said that the inorganic beings don't pursue females; they go after males. But I also specified you that the inorganic beings are female and that, in its largest part, the whole universe is also female. Pull your own conclusions there. [] the most brilliant part of the point of assembly (chakra?) make in front of the outside as for females and, inside, as regards males. "
In the book we also see that the Tenant ( the supreme wizard) is at some time a man and a woman, but is prefers to be a woman.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[quote author=Kisito]No idea, it's Don Juan who tells that in " The art to dream " about souls D1 and D2![/quote]

I've no recollection of Casteneda using the terminology of densities. Are you implying there's a correlation, or is there something you could quote?

 

[Kisito]

Indeed on that Castaneda doesn't speak about it, but it seems logic to make a correlation, because Don Juan says that the inorganic beings are vegetables and minerals, it looks like the first density, otherwise in which?
But effectively on the mammals of the 2D it doesn't quote them and I spoke with haste of the 2D. But to answer the question of origin, I don't think that souls in 1D and 2D are human because the humanity was put on earth in 3D from the man of Néandertal.

 

[Mountain Crown]

Indeed on that Castaneda doesn't speak about it, but it seems logic to make a correlation, because Don Juan says that the inorganic beings are vegetables and minerals, it looks like the first density, otherwise in which?
But effectively on the mammals of the 2D it doesn't quote them and I spoke with haste of the 2D. But to answer the question of origin, I don't think that souls in 1D and 2D are human because the humanity was put on earth in 3D from the man of Néandertal.

This is a little confusing to me since vegetables are organic, and my understanding is that Casteneda's use of 'inorganic beings' was as an ontological term describing an energetic configuration available to one who sees. Maybe you could provide quotes to clarify this for me?

 

[genero81]

I think the discussion about the polarization of 1D and 2D (or lack there of) was excellent. As far as Castaneda goes, he was highly creative and not above making stuff up. I really enjoyed reading all of Castaneda's books, but find the excerpts that Laura uses in her writings to be the most pertinent to my own understanding. That's my 2 cents. :)

 

[Kisito]

Chapter 3 the second door to dream

Yes it's true moreover Cs which recognize the truths by Castaneda, say that the dream is just an fun.

But to return to this question on the ontology which can be compared with the phylogenesis, they have existence only with in the framework of the physicality, in the vehicle where the soul evolves. The ontology of a soul is its karma. 1D, 2D and 3D have in common only the genetic material that 4D STS enjoy treating(manipulating). We the 3D human beings are clamped in these bodies as other species owe the being in the 2D and 1D of mammals and vegetables and minerals.

Very solemnly don Juan explained that the life and the consciousness, bound(connected) exclusively to the energy, are not the exclusive priority of a body. He mentioned that the wizards had seen that there are two sorts of aware(conscious) beings crossing(going through) this earth, the organic beings and the inorganic beings.
" The inorganic beings supply their extreme consciousness, and the wizards [...] their energy.
[…] They wish to create in your thought a memory of their forms. The moment came to serve you as this memory. "
Don juan ordered me to close my eyes and to keep them closed. Then he guided me up to rocks where I sat down. " Seated Rest there, and visualizes(displays) their forms until they will be as in your dreams [...] It was necessary to me that little time to have a mental image of their forms so clear(net) as in my dreams. Don Juan says to me:
" Now you can open eyes ", and I opened them. [...] Well then, just front I saw two black faces(figures), such two fine tree trunks. [...] I asked don Juan if trees had too of such projections. " They have it. But them projections are even less friendly us than those of the inorganic beings. "

Anyway we can speculate on the interpretation of the inorganic beings, are they in minerals, are there the other entities in vegetables, I find it interesting, but anything will prove us if don Juan was told the truth, maybe Laura knows it ?

 

[Mountain Crown]

I asked don Juan if trees had too of such projections. " They have it. But them projections are even less friendly us than those of the inorganic beings.

This sentence juxtaposes projections from the trees (vegetation/organic) and those of inorganic beings.

I think a correlation could be made with inorganic beings and 4D, organic meaning 3D.

Casteneda wrote that what is perceived is not always what it appears to be - rocks, humans, etc. Only seeing energy revealed the true nature of things. - fwiw.

 

[Franco]

For people confused about 3D STO, the C's have stated that we were not in physical form before the "fall".

3D STO is not a physical existence to my understanding.

Choosing physicality was what the fall meant, we were STO in 3D physical earth for a very short while but the physicality became addictive very quickly and caused a frequency change from STO to STS.

Also according to the C's transcripts, 3D souls inhabiting a place causes 1D and 2D to change to short wave cycle aka physicality.

 

[SeekinTruth]

For people confused about 3D STO, the C's have stated that we were not in physical form before the "fall".

3D STO is not a physical existence to my understanding.

Choosing physicality was what the fall meant, we were STO in 3D physical earth for a very short while but the physicality became addictive very quickly and caused a frequency change from STO to STS.

Also according to the C's transcripts, 3D souls inhabiting a place causes 1D and 2D to change to short wave cycle aka physicality.

My understanding was that the "Fall" was a continuous process -- from ethereal to physical. Some souls wanted to experience the physical realities/manifestations/creations that originated in "Thought Centers" and they chose to experience those (via free will). And this is, according to the C's a repeating universal "syndrome."

"After" the choice to "fall" from purely ethereal existence/non-embodied consciousness, the (human) souls ended up being 3D aligned with 4D STO. Then became addicted to physicality / wanted to experience increased physicality and in the process switched alignment to 3D STS aligned with 4D STS.

I think the "Short Wave Cycle" "happens" when the group of souls decide to experience physical existence. They "fall" into 1D, 2D, 3D (STO/STS), and 4D (STO/STS), I think? I don't think it can be described in a linear way, anyway. From what I've gathered, there are 3 physical densities -- 1D, 2D, and 3D -- 3 purely ethereal densities -- 5, 6, and 7 -- and the 4th Density which is something in between (paraphysical/variable physicality) but is still physical to some extent. That's just my understanding, though I may be wrong.