Sungazing

bngenoh said:
Well one day I just up and decided to do it (sun gaze) with no conscious researching on my part. I was able to focus in on the sun and it looks much like the moon only featureless, just a white orb, but what was really interesting after subsequent observations was the amount of rings or envelopes I saw around the sun, they were round rainbows, but they grew in number from 1, 2 and then three. I could only do it when the sun was at a 50 degree angle or less in the sky.

It's my understanding that you're only supposed to do this when the sun is on the horizon, else you could damage your eyes. This might explain the rainbows you saw?
 
anart said:
bngenoh said:
Well one day I just up and decided to do it (sun gaze) with no conscious researching on my part. I was able to focus in on the sun and it looks much like the moon only featureless, just a white orb, but what was really interesting after subsequent observations was the amount of rings or envelopes I saw around the sun, they were round rainbows, but they grew in number from 1, 2 and then three. I could only do it when the sun was at a 50 degree angle or less in the sky.

It's my understanding that you're only supposed to do this when the sun is on the horizon, else you could damage your eyes. This might explain the rainbows you saw?
The damage explains the rainbows ?
 
moonwalker said:
I've spoken to a few of the sungazing crowd and done a far bit of research on it and considering the history of sungazing or solar yoga (the Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, India/Yogic/Hindu traditions all seemed to involve sungazing) I believe there is something to it. I also find it interesting that Deckard was singled out for his reaction or emotional investment in sungazing when Mark in my opinion had an equal emotional investment in the topic, he seemed to go straight in to debunking mode along with others claiming disinformation and then Cyre comes in saying he thinks it is all poppycock although to his credit he did mention that individuals who claim this ability should be studied, which has been done (see below).

It's easy to dismiss these practices and many of you think it's not relevent to the work, which is fair enough I suppose, I will say though my interest in it was a remark made by the C's which said when you no longer need to eat/crave food/physicality (I don't remember exactly) then you will no longer need to be in 3D.
I have to aaaagree with this. It seems as tttthough the posts against it are more emotionallt invested than the original poster.. i hope this woeks,as i am using a new phone before i takw it bback. It doesnt seem to want me to post on this site. No choice, as my internet was recently cut off.to
I know that according to many experts within Western medicine, sun gazing may be harmful to the eyes, possibly even resulting in long-term serious damage but I don't think it is as clear cut as that. I've often gazed at sunsets and sunrises before I even knew about sungazing so the "safe" time windows of the first 1/2 hour after official sunrise or the last 1/2 hour before official sunset make sense to me.

Remember it is possible that each individual has a different genetic code and also each body has different Uphysical capabilities. Hence, one may be able to receive this Solar energy more readily, can transform & store it in a better way & also can utilize more efficiently & even recycle it - while other person may not be able to do it to the same extent.

As to how it may be possible to survive without eating anything I'd like to quote what I think is a reasonable
hypothesis. This from a study done on Hira Ratan Manek (the NASA guy) by Dr. Sudhir V. Shah, a neurologist as well other clinicians. I'll post all references as to who was involved in the study at the bottom. It's quite long so I've put in bold the hypothesis.

PROLONGED FASTINGS-HOW IS IT POSSIBLE - A HYPOTHESIS

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Introduction:

Recently a historical and amazing incidence took place in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India. A gentleman called Shri Hira Ratan Manek(H.R.M.) aged 64 , a mechanicalengineer residing at Calicut, originally belonging to Kutch., Gujarat, has just accomplished a remarkable record- a world record, by doing continuous fasting for 411 days, as per jain tradition.(i.e. taking only boiled water during day time and just no other food or liquids). He had done similar jain fasting for 211 days in 1995-96. This time, he started fasting on 1.1.2000. The unique thing, was that this time he was under continuous day to day medical checking and elaborate medical testing- with a critical evaluation by a team of expert doctors, representing various fraternities of medical science including family physicians, physicians, cardiologist, neurologist, endocrinologist, surgeon, pathologists, genetician, radiologists e.t.c. Also from time to time several teams of physicists, chemists, biochemists, physiologists and several doctors from all different specialities from India as well as abroad have spent time to meet him, examine him. All of them have been impressed with the genuinity of fasting but every body is wondering how this has become possible. You will agree, that as per today's scientific knowledge, this is just not possible and it is extremely difficult to explain this happening, even if the man is taken as superman or genetically a different human being. We now know of about atleast 200 people living without food , on this earth.

The author of this hypothesis, was also the part of medical team and must have met and examined him several times during his unique fasting. The author also ,like any scientist had real sceptic behaviourtowards this gentleman and had really taken this gentleman totoughest and most critical -analytic check(keeping in a nursing home more than a month, isolating him in a cube , not allowing any of his relative to stay with him etc) and all other doctors also had scrupulous checking. All of us are fully convinced about the genuinity and really are wonderstuck. Having satisfied fully with the genuinity , the team suddenly realized that the ball was inthe cot of doctors- as now they had to explain, how this gentleman could do this and that too like a normal man he talks a, moves around, meets people, gives lectures and talks intelligently and quite logically i.e. all his systems are normal including cognition.

Ultimately, the job was left tothe author to try to hypothesize something.

The author had accepted it. But he realized that he was in deep waters. Its one the most difficult tasks, he had ever had in the past. Really speaking, this is a subject of occultism and spiritual science, and hence our experimental science had natural limitations. Sothe author has tried to evolve a hypothesis, which starts with logic, then available scientific knowledge is applied and ultimately again logic leading to "Speculative VISION" is applied. Hence, he does not claim that things presented here are all the way scientific, but he assures you a great experience, opening up "the dialogues" and assures that you will have a chance to examine several fantastic possibilities. Who knows truth may unfold itself in coming years, from these possibilities. The author has already received several queries from internet, after floating it on the same.

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THE HYPOTHESIS


This is indeed unique. You will agree that such a prolonged continuous Jain fasting for religious (Spread of Ahimsa and other high mottos) & scientific purposes (to create awarness about Sun-energy) & also aimed at solution of four way human crisis (Physical, Mental, food & neurological) under scrupulous daily medical supervision is unheard of. It's just fantastic, and absolutely amazing, but this is not a myth. It's not happening in Himalayas or distant jungles; it is happening in Ahmedabad, Gujarat (India) in the continuous presence of public & under strict medical check & supervision by team of expert doctors.

There is no reason to be sceptic; one may personally come and himself or herself check & scrutinize; as we doctors have done all these months & fellow men have been staying with him all throughout. Several visitors also see him throughout the day and night. No body ever had encountered even a doubtful situation. All of them have been satisfied with the genuinity. Even he was kept in a nursing home for more than a month for a critical checking as well as medical tests. He has been isolated from his relatives who are staying at Calicut . He is kept in a two room flat, which is totally devoid of any kind of food.

Several doctors from India, Gujarat, Ahmedabad and abroad have from time to time examined and are unable to explain the scientific basis from current clinical knowledge, while declaring the genuinity of fasting. A team of medical doctors have supervised (medical examination as well as laboratory tests) throughout these fasting. This comprise of Dr. Sudhir Shah M.D.,D.M.(neuro), Dr. Nalin Gheewala M.D., Dr. Viresh Patel M.D., Dr. Navneet Shah M.D.(Physician and endocrinologist), Dr. K.K.Shah M.S. Gen.Surgery, Dr.Kalpesh Shah M.D.Radiologist, Dr. Gaurgey Sutaria Radiologist, Dr. Jayesh Sheth, Dr. P G. Shah, Dr. Prakash Doshi , (family physician) and several others.

Today, it is 411th day of Shri Hira Ratan Manek'sfasting. (on Dt. 14th Februry 2001) He started fasting from 1.1.2000. He is on total fasting as per Jainism. He is consuming only boiled water daily between 11 a.m.to 4 p.m. only and no other liquids and just no other food, No I\V or I\Minjections.Medical checkup commenced few days before fasting programme & is continued till to day. It consists of daily written record of pulse, blood pressure, respiration, Temperature, water intake, urine output, weight etc. Relevant Hematological and biochemical (basic and few advanced) tests are done periodically i.e. monthly or fortnightly. ECGs are taken regularly. Ultra Sonography,EEG,CT.Scan and M.R.I. Brain have been taken at the end of one year and a team consisting of general practitioners physicians, surgeons, Cardiologists, endocrinologist and a neurologist have been examining him regularly and periodically from first day of fasting. Except for loss of 19 Kg weight, (Which is now stable with no further weight loss for last3 months) a slight reduction of pulse rate and B.P. and definite reduction of respiratory rate (from 18 to now 10/minute) amazingly, there is no other medical abnormality. Even the brain and mental capacities are absolutely normal. There are hardly any findings. He has stopped passing stool after 16th dayof fasting and urine output is maintained at around 600to 800 c.c. His bloodsugar is between 60 to 90. Rest of the parameters are all normal.

Most surprisingly, he had himself climbed the famous Shatrunjay mountain (Palitana hill) on 4.4.01, on 401st day of his legendary fasting along with 500 fellowmen without anybody's help, within 1.5 Hrs. only.

It is just amazing. Isn't it ?

But how do we hypothesize it ? How does science look at it ?

As per our present day scientific understanding, under normal circumstances of prolongedstarvation, (under accidental situation or extraordinarysituation,) human being looses weight fast. First carbohydrate is utilized. Then ketones appear in urine in first week. Then proteins are burnt. Later fat are mobilized from body stores and used. Before that, the person becomes dull, lethargic and irritable, his logic and reasoning fails and vital parameters fall and within 8 to 10 weeks, as per science, the physical existence will be challenged.

Here, there has been no such illeffect. How do we explain this ? How does his energy mathematics work?How he is still so intact with normal intellect, normal mental function? So far, there is no solid thesis (as this is the first event in the world, under medical supervision), there has to be some logical, scientific hypothesis. It explains quite a bit, but also leaves few questions unanswered, for all of us to further analyses. It also opens, at the same time, several new avenues for the coming time to work upon it. (e.g. issue of obesity, the possibility of cosmic energy, the functions of pineal gland )

Here, we propose a hypothesiswhich has four basic steps to explain energy-metabolic mathematics.i.e.

(1) Reducing calorie requirement by chronic adaptation.

(2) Deriving basic energy from cosmic sources-chiefly, 'sun energy'-solar energy.

(3) Utilizing the energy in the efficient way and recycling the same in hisownbody.

(4) Genetically or phenotypically a different body dis-position.



Let us discuss the proposition step by step.

(1)Chronic Adaptation Syndrome :

As the body and the mindadapts to chronic stress in a healthier way, as compared to acute stress, similarly body's adaptation must be different to chronic fasting (beyond 30 days) as compared to acute fasting (e.g. 3 to 15 days. ) No body knows which is the exact point, where body adapts chronically, but 30 days sound reasonable time though it may vary individually.This is some kind of hibernation.

The routine calorie mathematics sounds logical and applicable to acute fasting where carbohydrates break up first, ketones appear in urine and weight loss starts; fat is burnt and muscle mass reduces and vital functions and mental capacity may start slowing down. Thus in acute fasting, energy dissipated must come from stored sources of body to match 1:1 ratio of calorie consumption against utilization.

In chronic adaptation; the metabolism of body must slow down. The body needs are reduced to the minimum. This is possible by down regulation of cellular and receptor function, altering the energy metabolism to the lowest possible extent. Oxygen and water are supplied to cells as basic things, At this stage, the hunger centre will become depressed and satiety centre will be activated. So there will not be any feeling of hunger or food craving. Here hypothalamus(the master of automatic nervous system and the organ of behavior) plays an important role.

It may be possible for such an individual to do routine activity with very low amount of energy or calories as 500-600 calories, to sustain cellular metabolism. In truly hybernating animals and human beings, the energy need may go down further. Thus depending upon the activity of the individual, the energy must be provided.

At the cellular level, mitochondria may play a vital role in energy storage by proliferation. Other organelles of the cell may also help in the process of chronic adaptation.

(2) Deriving Energy from Cosmic sources - Solar Energy :

Whatever low amount of energy, that is required, must come from some source. He is only on boiled water-which as per science is having hardly any caloric value. or does it really supply some energy ? He doesn't take any type of food or liquids except boiled water. So to run the cellular metabolism and to perform daily activities, he must be deriving energy from surroundings. He is living on earth, where he is exposed to the Sun, Earth, Water, Plants and human beings and other living animals. These are the options available to him.We will call these, cosmic sources of energy.

So most likely, he is drawing energy from these cosmic sources - Cosmicenergy.Hence more correctly it is energy mathematics rather than calorie mathematics; a concept worth understanding. Out of all cosmic sources, The SUN is the most powerful & readily available source & has been used for energy, by sages & rishis since ancient time, including lord Mahavir, Tibetan lamas & other Rishis. The solar energy has two components: the light and the heat.

Mankind is also using solar energy for running solar cooker, solar heater, solar car through solar batteries etc. Similarly Shri Hira Ratan Manek(H.R.M.) has almost converted him self in to a kind of a solar cooker and has solar batteries activated in himself. The solar energy has two components, the light and the heat (temperature) Luckily India has a rich potential to become superpower as we have a constant availability of solar energy, all throughout the year.

How then SUN energy is received ? The Brain & the mind are the most powerful recipients in human body. The retina & the pineal gland (The third eye or the seat of soul as per ReneDescartes)are equipped with photoreceptor cells & may be considered photosensitive organs.

The method practiced by Shri Hira Ratan Manek : Hesuggests to look at the rising sun daily, with naked eye and without blinking the eyes, as far as possible. To look for a few seconds initially and then every week to increase by few few seconds to ultimately reach up to several minutes. Eyes and specially retina must be healthy.

As plant kingdom thrives on chlorophyll & photo synthesis, directly dependant on the Sun, similarly somekind of photosynthesisor photoanalysis must be taking place; when we hypothesize Sun energy .Throughcomplex ways& distinct pathways this energy must enter the body. Is it a direct entry in to the physical body or it enters through auras of human body (please refer karalean photography )is yet to be examined. It is quite possible that human aura plays a modulating role for allowing this energy, in to the physical body.

There is a pathway from the retina, to the hypthalamus, called the retinohypothalamic tract. This brings information about the dark & light cycles to supra chiasmatic nucleus (SCN) of the hypothalamus. From the SCN, impulses along the nerve travel via the pineal nerve (Sympathetic nervous system) to the pineal gland. These impulses inhibit the production of melatonin. When these impulses stop (at night or in dark, when the light no longer stimulates the hypothalamus) pineal inhibition caeses, & melatonin is released. The pineal gland (or the third eye ) is therefore a photosensitive organ & an important timekeeper for the human body. The unexplored process of energy synthesis & transformation from the sun energy perhaps partly occurs here :

While going through the details of recent scientific literature & also comparing it with ancient Indian spiritual texts,as well as Western occult & new age, following things are apparent.

The activation of pineal gland is the key step in psychic, spiritual & energy transformation processes.Here in this gland, energy processing & re distribution might be taking place. Pineal gland is the subtle commander of all endocrine glands, therefore controlling the humoral system. Through secretion of melatonin, it also regulates the circadian rhythm, sleep wake cycle & it also slows down aging process. It has psychic properties & is the seat of soul or mind - so called the third eye. (Possibly that is why Tilak is done in the forehead- in front of pineal and yogis do meditation with closed eyes, concentrating in between two eyebrows.

It is the Agna (Ajna) chakra of tantrik system. Its activation can be done with prolonged yoga & meditation techniques or through practice of solar energy. The later does not use classic yoga steps.

As per recent research in animals; Pineal gland also inhibits growth & metastasis of some tumors. It has a stimulatory effect on the immune system. In birds & other animals, it has a magnetic material & is therefore the navigation centre in birds. Scientists are looking at magnetic, navigatory properties of pineal gland in humans. Further, through the secretion of serotonin, it is involved in psychic experiences, synaptic transmission and several unknown powerful occult powers. A lot of research is required to validate this though some initial studies have already supported this view e.g. the chemical structure of LSD(a drug used for psychic experiences)is similar to serotonin.

So pineal activation and charging through solar energy is the vital step & that is the doorway of energy highway. This may be kundlini shakti activation, in other words.

Normal Pineal gland measures 6 x 8 mm in human body.As per C.T.Scan & MRI Scan reports of Mr. Hira Ratan Manek.it is 8 x 11 mm. (enlarged !)This may indirectly support the important role of pineal gland in energy transformation.However it is not necessary that anatomic enlargement always reflects hyperfunction . The increased hormonal secretion i.e. melatonin and serotonin levels should also be measured. Even without anatomical enlargement, there can be hyperfunction. Then we should study the pineal size and hormonal level in all psychically and spiritually evolved people or all people with extraordinary capacities.

Ever since mankind has started ignoring the psychically & Spiritually equipped pineal gland it has fallen on merely physical-material plane & therefore endless pains have fallen on the mankind.

Mankind must now relearn to activate pineal & the other psychospiritual bodies either through cosmic energy dynamics or through practice of Rajyoga or the Tantrik ways or other such practices.( One can imagine thathigh voltage energy transmission through shaktipat as occasionally yogis doto transfer energy in to their esteem disciplesmay be utilizing pinealgland or similar bodies)Kundlini Shakti is said to be activatedthrough these & happiness & bliss with peace are bound to follow.

This solar (light and heat) energy may be transformed into electrical, magnetic or chemical energies in body. Once processed, this energy must be transported & must be stored somewhere. Actually the ultimate form of all energies is light. Energy & light can be transformed in to matter & back again to energy.

Hypothalamus is the commander of autonomic nervous system & Pineal gland is in proximity to hypothalamus and is connected to it through autonomic nerves. So it is logical that new energy transportation may either activate this system or it may use this system as vehicle. Parasympathetic nerves & its hormones & chemicals may be more useful than sympathetic system. As sympathetic system increases body needs (e.g. thinking, fighting stress, excitement etc.), parasympathetic system is known to reduce the energy needs.It keeps the person serene & at mental peace and alters the metabolic requirements to a lower state & puts it to sleep. We can also hypothesize that there may be other hormones or chemicals too, involved in this complex energy transportation system. It is well known that pituitary and pineal glands are well connected through regulatory hormones and nerves. While pituitary gland expresses and controls physical body, we have seen that pineal expresses and controls mainly mental and spiritual bodies. Thus intricate balance and harmony between the two glands is very crucial point in the total (physical, mental, Emotional and spiritual) health or wellbeing of a human body and it must be any way achieved.

The role of temporal lobe & limbic system also may be important. It may work as a regulator, if not receptor and may be psychically involved in directing the energy in proper pathways.Deep into the limbic systems or in the parts of medulla oblongata, this energy may ultimately be stored & from time to time, may be recalled, charged or recycled. Medulla oblongata has all vital centres & therefore can be proposed as store of vital energy.

Thus there are energy receivers or receptors, processors, analyzers, modulators, transformers, transporters, stores (organ or bodies) etc. to explain the energy logistics.

As this form of energy mathematics is different from what we conventionally are used to, in form of food & calorie mathematics; we will call this food as microfood or mind utilization food(ManobhakshiAahar).

Here, we have discussed about the Sun energy, but one may learn to use any source from the cosmos, ie. Air, water, plants, earth ,living humans, animals etc. This may be called Surya vigyan, but equally there is Chandra vigyan and Vanaspati vigyan as mentioned in our ancient texts. Also apart from the retina &the pineal gland,skin & other senses may also be responsible for receivingenergies from these different sources. In short this opens up, tremendous possibilities, which will need a very sincere effort from us tocrystallize and to practice it for welfare ofthe mankind..


This microfoodcan solve, food crisis on earth & in fact is the only possible food in present context for somebody who wants to be a long-term space traveler or planet traveler.Amazing! It is time to note that our routine food is not the only source to sustain the body.

The role of mind : What ever said, in thisstep, (i.e. the step II of deriving the energy from the sun& transforming it in body.) the mind may be playing the crucial role. It is wellknown that the mind has enormous capacity, (The soul has even further or infinite capabilities). Through Sun Tratak & Meditation, tremendous capacities are attained, which will bring tranquility to mind and also slow down metabolism, as mentioned in step I. Mind can do every thing including so called miracles. It can revitalize body, it can heal diseases, it can know things in advance & it can manipulate laws of physics. The phenomena of telepathy, reading somebody's thoughts/ teleporting the things, bending the items, all are very wellknown examples of human mind capacities. If a strong mind decides to do unusual fasting, it can certainly do. It is unclear till this date whether mind is a separate entity or the pineal gland it self. According to some, each cell has mind and thus in other words mind is a diffuse electromagnetic and biochemical continuous process and one thing is clear, that out of all body organ, mind has a direct access to cosmic energy. Our mind is an invagivation or outpouching of cosmic mind and cosmic energy and pineal in that case would be the knob-important hub of the mind.

The faith & blessings from Yogis & Gurus have their own roles in sustaining oneself in adverse situations. On religious days, under high spirits & a cultivated atmosphere, a few people surprisingly do unusual things; like walking on fire or piercing pointed swords, through their bodies without damaging themselves. On similar lines, if some one does fasting, these blessings and faith may help to pull one through the period of physiological problems; till one enters chronic adaptation phase.

(3) Energy Economy in efficient ways and re-cycling the energy in his own body:

Those, who are chronically deprived of energy, learn to utilize the available energy in more efficient ways - so that even at the low energy state body metabolism and vital functions including nervous system do not suffer. This is quite logical & one can imagine this happening in the individuals caught in natural calamities, or those left alone in the seaor survivors of high altitudes after plane crash etc... managingto live for several days or weeks, without food.

Also, one can hypothesize that these people may be recycling the energy in their own bodies. This may be done, through complex mechanisms, involving neural & humoral organs. Solar energy, dissipated through body may get absorbed into the earth & while walking bare footed on the soil, standing in the sun, may help absorbing this energy through skin of toes, sole of feet; as Shri Hira Ratan Manek does regularly & always preaches to do so to recycle the energy. This may be related to the principles of acupressure or reflexology.

(4) Genotypically or phenotypically a different body predisposition :We should also examine this aspectcarefully,as this leaves scope for an important discussion - whethereach & every individual can use sun energy& if so, how efficiently?

Only time can answer this. But it is possible that each individual has a different genetic code and also each body has different physical capabilities. Hence, one may be able to receive this Solar energy more readily, can transform & store it in a better way & also can utilize more efficiently & even recycle it - while other person may not be able to do it to the same extent.

Hence, scientific experiments must be taken up, if possible on a randomized base upon volunteers with control population. However, leaving such study aside for the timbering, is possible that many people can do this experiment very successfully under supervision. Prior body Checkup & particularly retinal-ophthalmic checkup is mandatory and under strict medical guidance, a graded time bound experiment upon volunteers may be taken up.

Other possibility is that, we can use gene-cloning technique. By preserving the celline of Shri Hira- Ratan- Manek, we can clone him or use his gene for gene transfer therapy.

Whatever we do; use cloning or train the whole mankind, it can change the destiny of mankind. First of all, the food crisis will be solved. Through activation of this supreme energy in body & transforming it in electrical, chemical & magnetic forms, person can not only enjoy a state free of diseases but can gain positive health with a vibrant aura. His luster can impress even enemies& enmity may dissolve. His psychological disease can disappear.With improvement of mental & intellectual capacities one may be able to use brain power upto 90 to 100 %, as against to 3 - 10% as we normally do.

There will be reignof peace & prosperity. As there is no food, the bad thoughts and ill feelings will be stopped, so eternal peace is bound to follow.

This will also question the routine calorie mathematics.

This challenges the common calorie based science. Its limitations are highlighted. At the same time the complex issues of obesity & malnutrition can be readily explained through the concept of solar and cosmic energy. It is possible that obese people , though noteatingexcessfood, still receive energy from cosmic sources, unknowingly explaining their obesity.

The concept of cosmic energy can be used thus for total uplift of mankind at physical mental, intellectual, emotional & spiritual levels.It has tremendous applications. One can utilizeit, the way he can. Extensive scientific research work therefore should be immediately taken up, by appropriate authorities, including bioscientists & medical personnel, to answer all these issues. Awareness of all human beings must be created simultaneously and all those who are interested should work on this highly potential and fascinating project, of cosmic energy as well as potentialities of thepineal gland and other related issues discussed in these pages.

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Ref. case study of Mr. Hira Ratan Manek : 411 fast :completed on 14.02.2001 and parna was done on 15.02.2001 in presence of about a lakh people with graceful presence of jain sadhus, several Hindu saints, H.E. the Governor of Gujarat, respected Mayor of Ahmedabad and several other highly placed people.


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* Dr.Sudhir V. ShahM.D., D.M. Neurophysician

206-8, Sangini Complex, Nr. Parimal Crossing, Ellisbridge, Ahmedabad-380 006.

Ph. : (c) 079-646 70 52 (R) 079-662 17 42.


Hon. Neurologist : H.E. The Governor of Gujarat, India.

President : Asso. of Physician of A'bad. (97-98)

Hon. Asst.Prof. of neurology : Sheth K.M School of PGMR

Smt. N.H.L. M.M College

Hon. Neurologist : V.S.Hospital, Ahmedabad.

Jivraj Mehta Smarak Hospital


I acknowledge suggestions & help received for this hypothesis..

From : (1) Dr. Navneet Shah M.D. FICA (U.S.A.)

PhysicianEndocrinologist (C) 6425566.

(2) Dr. Gargey Sutaria (M.D.) &

Dr. Kalpesh Shah (M.D.)Radiologist

Usmanpura C.T.Scan Centre.


Clinical Assistant :

Dr. Nalin Gheewala M.D. Physician.

Dr. K.K. Shah M.S. Surgeon.

Dr. Viresh Patel M.D. Physician.

Dr. P.G.Shah M.B.B.S.

Family Physician.

Dr. P.D.Doshi M.B.B.S.

Family Physician.
 
Herr Eisenheim said:
Moonwalker
The biggest problem I have with sun gazing is that it requires alot of discipline and free time. And although I do live in a country that has almost 360 sunny days in a year I can appreciate that this could be a big problem for someone living in UK or Continental Europe.

Then there is another problem, I am still not ready to turn my back to physicality .. Consciously I would like to make this choice but body still doesnt follow. Therefore I prefer to wait for alleged DNA activation and physical change of my body, if this ever happens.
Doesn't the sun have conscienciousness, as well? Would this not also be feeding on another "being"?
But as I said I have a feeling that the way of feeding will be the turning point in the shift of our orientation from STS to STO, I am sory some of the participants here fail to see this but nutrition is the foundation of ones Orientation regarding STS or STO.
Since I was acussed of being manipulative when I said this I will try to explain. Wether you are Vegetarian or meat eater you are still utilizing other conscious life forms for your sustenance. It as simple as that.
Therefore there is no any doubts in my mind that in order to change from STS to STO we will have to change the way we feed. Now will we feed on sun or something else that remains to be seen, so far the sun seems like the best candidate.
 
I am grateful for thos thread, as it nor inly taught me the concept " confusion of tongues" , but also made ne realize that it can also apply to the way we percieve what another is saying. :)
 
Perhaps there is something tgat needs to be used in concery wirh the sun, such as the symbols with reiki? I have always loved being out in the sun since i was small. I rememver heaeing that the sub cleans you, and after testing it out, found out that it does quite quickly. If yer armpits stink, within five minutes in the sun, they smell daisy fresh.
 
According to C's, a little sun gazing is beneficial.

Session Date: July 16th 2009.
Subject of the special bloodline dance instruction...

Q: (DD) Is there a time on Monday to do the dance, like sunrise or sunset?
A: Better as sun sets. In fact you can employ a little sungazing.
Q: (L) So, you do your sungazing, get yourself charged up, and then you start your dance. Is that it?
A: Yes.

So, I want to try it at sunrise and sunset time, just few minutes.
 
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