Super Samurai: Robot beats Japanese master swordsman

[lilies]

Dowsing rods = samurai swords

A practiced dowser may also "feel" via the rods as they might become a spiritual-organic extension of the human body.

When a Japanese swordsman becomes one with his sword, his consciousness may flow into the metal - see Gurdjieff's body part attention exercises - and the human may begin sensing - sampling - the environment through the sword-metal, like an insect picks up signals using its long antennae.

Movements of big objects [bodies] in the air, drum sounds are easiest to pick up, its plain physics. Hold a bigger empty plastic container or a hard leather bag when a train or metro arrives.

As a Tai chi or a Qigong master is able to sense auras, emanations of the human energy field "in the air" with the hand, so might have some swordsmen become expert at sensing their immediate environment as an energetic matrix using their blade as an antenna. Any physical object that moves.

A 'zen quiet minded' adversary probably had the most chance against such a sword-master, otherwise the energy of strong emotions [thoughts] flaring up and coursing through the adversary's meridians could have been sensed easily as life threatening hostile intent. See the exercise about the sitting 'ninja' evading the sword strikes from behind.

When a Japanese sword-smith works on the metal, during hammering or whetting for example, the metal begins to vibrate, it 'comes alive', I think. You can try this out by whetting a scythe before grass cutting, but only if you think you have the 'healing hand'. :)

Just as when an energy worker senses with his hand inconsistencies of the human body, somewhat the same way the human consciousness can flow into the sword-metal, become one with it - especially when the metal is vibrating -, so it can be said the smith begins to 'feel the metal'.

I speculate - see this youtube video - that gradual changes in the atomic composition of the sword-metal, via grooving and grooming is possible, like the energy-worker does with his hand on the human body. Japanese sword-smiths probably were able to change the metallic composition of their masterpieces, so the swords acquired properties as the smith wished: could bend more without breaking, withstand more abuse by sword-breaker weapons, could slice swifter through the air because of changed surface properties, could have become a better 'dowsing instrument' during duels and other skirmishes.


So a real Japanese sword-master consists of two components, I think:
- the human, a skilled spiritual individual, having the 'healing hands' and knowing and skilled in tai-chi or Qigong related arts so he can attune to the sword-metal.
- properly created sword by a master sword-smith, resulting in unique sword-metal that responds and works better with human energy fields, a sword that modern industry will never ever ever be able to reproduce.

 

[Voyageur]

the Iaido swordmaster was way more graceful with the katana than the robotic arm could ever be - and he was definitely not "beaten". There is beauty and grace watching a sword master in full flow, and this was hardly replicated by the robotic arm.

Indeed, there is grace in the skill of the sword master. As i've been thinking on this thread/topic, it occurred to me, for right or wrong, that the amazing thing about the humanness of the art vs. the mechanical nature that could not see beyond its programing, is the intuitive and practiced nature invested in the sword itself. It is one thing to wield a sword in this way, a feat alone of dedication and skill, it is another to craft its very making, to understand its heating, folding and mineral contents - a master after all does this and knows bit by bit when it is seated, not a machine.

I guess it could be argued by engineering/programing, that they, too, invest great skill into the machines making, yet in the end it is still just a machine, just as the blade is just a blade, and yet not all are equal, osit.

It was also very curious that the spectacle of the machine attracted so much attention from the audience and network: like a sports feature - mech vs. humanoid type gladiators. It seems there is this growing contestant-like fascination with machines that people might be beaten and replaced - and there was cheering for both sides. Of course people are being replaced by machines; if you've just lost your job to one, and people are also being hired to create more machines, at least until they create themselves.

Thanks Mr.Cyan, enjoyed the sword masters focus, movements and skill.

 

[goyacobol]

The "stillness of the mind" of the machine is not so quiet if you include the dozens of engineers required to run this machine, all probably scrambling and racing in their thoughts to make it perform well and optimize it to the max,

Hi Data,

Your illustration is okay, but not great.

A better one is to see the machine "mind" as its program. The finished one, the one used in the exhibition. Written and tested properly, the code ought not to have errors. Hence it's got stillness. Or zero variability from its goal.

To do what you've described, a new code would include perhaps a random number generator--to effect various sub-routines which would then make the cutting motion variable--and random. The previous stillness now gets polluted, much like a human mind filled with changing emotions.

FWIW.

sitting,

I think you make an excellent point of realizing the implementation phase of programming after much testing is already done.

I am just jumping in at this "point" (the Cs say "there is no point") because it ties in with what I am thinking about something the Cs said (I know am am a little one-track minded).

Some here are saying this is the "current" technology. Well, what if this is not the best example of "current" technology? Here is an item that has been sticking on my back-burner for some "time":


session 19 July 1997 Archived

Q: Are there such things as 'DEROS,' as described in this underground bases book?
A: Detrimental Robots.
Q: Are DEROS part of the underground city/bases scenario?
A: Yup.

In my job as an applications developer working in the data warehouse reporting section of the Dept. of Welfare for the state of PA, I did notice one supervisor who had taken some AI (Artificial Intelligence) courses and there were some books on the window sill that I just kind of flipped through thinking why did you need that for state purposes. Anyway, this whole idea that there may be technology that we have no clue about as far as the complexity and purpose begin to percolate in my mind when I read this DEROS quote.

As for the timing involved for these DEROS robots we could only speculate. If these robots were ever brought to the surface and used we would get a real time chance to see how the Zen/Iaido master would fare against the machine.

I have enjoyed all the input on this thread and have watched several YouTube videos about the way the Samurai swords were thought to be made. My cousin had a movie we watched called The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise and even though I usually don't like bloody violent movies I did learn a little about the spiritual aspect of the Samurai warriors in a Hollywood sense. In the movie they said Samurai means "to serve".

But the definition on WikePedia is: Samurai

Samurai (侍?) were the military nobility of medieval and early-modern Japan.

In Japanese, they are usually referred to as bushi (武士?, [bu.ɕi]) or buke (武家?). According to translator William Scott Wilson: "In Chinese, the character 侍 was originally a verb meaning to wait upon or accompany persons in the upper ranks of society, and this is also true of the original term in Japanese, saburau. In both countries the terms were nominalized to mean "those who serve in close attendance to the nobility", the pronunciation in Japanese changing to saburai. According to Wilson, an early reference to the word "samurai" appears in the Kokin Wakashū (905–914), the first imperial anthology of poems, completed in the first part of the 10th century.

Anyway, the DEROS/AI aspect makes me realize that the technology may be more advanced than the YASKAWA company is presenting in their video advertisement. If there is any 4D STO "help" on the way maybe we could use a little Anti-DEROS technology to counter balance or "level the playing field".


domo arigato,
goyacobol :) ;)

 

[sitting]

When a Japanese swordsman becomes one with his sword, his consciousness may flow into the metal -

Just as when an energy worker senses with his hand inconsistencies of the human body, somewhat the same way the human consciousness can flow into the sword-metal, become one with it -

Hi lilies,

You've raised a very interesting idea, the idea of becoming one with ...

It assumes an inherent capacity for consciousness to travel, seek, and merge. (I happen to believe it can.) When applied to this case of man & sword, our minds accept rather easily. When applied to man & nature, it gets harder. But the principle is the same I think. And why is this?

Even harder to comprehend perhaps, is the idea of becoming one with one's future self. But why is this any different--if we intuitively and easily believe man can merge with a piece of metal?

FWIW.

PS
I like to reiterate my previous thoughts on Japanese zen-martial arts. (And the swordsman's display falls under this category.)

It came of age under the Rinsai founder Eisai. And is molded by the militaristic environment of the Kamakura period of Japanese history. It's got a distinct aggressive & militaristic flavor. Smoothed over with a veneer of passivity. It's quite rigid. And easily provoked. The Japanese barbarism in WWII (in China and Korea) may be one mass manifestation. This is far far from true Buddhist precepts.

Those presently into the Japanese martial arts might want to keep this in mind. Including bystanders who marvel at its "beauty."

 

[whitecoast]

I wonder if the grace observed in the samurai but not in the machine could possibly be a biproduct of us having mirror neurons for the samurai, and therefore a much more intimate appreciation for the mechanical skill and ability of his movements?

The "stillness of the mind" of the machine is not so quiet if you include the dozens of engineers required to run this machine, all probably scrambling and racing in their thoughts to make it perform well and optimize it to the max,

I think that type of processing (whether in the raw or pared down to a program as sitting suggested) would need to, by necessity, be analogous (if not homologous) to the functioning of the samurai's cerebellum or moving center. I'm certain he's practiced each slice millions of times, so the neurological pathways would be extremely well grooved. This raises the philosophical question of, can there really be such thing as an artificial mind (as far as information theory is concerned)?


For some reason I also feel called to raise the distinction between analogous and homologous structures in biology. Homologous structures are those between species that are shared by a common ancestor. Compare human arms to dolphin fins - they evolved from the same structures but differ in their function (human arms being more disposed to tool use). An analogous structure would be comparing bird wings to bat wings. They evolved from different structures but share a function (bird wings coming from forearm bones and scales modified into feathers, and bat wings come from stretched finger bones and the skin stretched between each digit). I see the robot as an analogue to the human, because even though they are built of different types of sensory data and mechanical programs, they are conditioned by the accomplishment of the same physical task. What's interesting to observe is both the man and the machine demonstrated are generalists, even though the machine has the specialization of being an arm mimic. FWIW.

 

[sitting]

Anyway, the DEROS/AI aspect makes me realize that the technology may be more advanced than the YASKAWA company is presenting in their video advertisement. If there is any 4D STO "help" on the way maybe we could use a little Anti-DEROS technology to counter balance or "level the playing field".

Hi goyacobol,

I really believe the needed power already exists within. It hungers for activation. Any help is towards its awakening. I think we so underestimate our own potential that 3rd and 4th STS must be laughing their heads off. At the same time fearful that we may figure it out. We really do set our own limits. Why I don't know. If our basic belief is limited, then limitation is what we manifest.

Perhaps knowledge, imagination, and faith are keys to breaking these chains. With a little help from the Wave.

FWIW.

 

[goyacobol]

Anyway, the DEROS/AI aspect makes me realize that the technology may be more advanced than the YASKAWA company is presenting in their video advertisement. If there is any 4D STO "help" on the way maybe we could use a little Anti-DEROS technology to counter balance or "level the playing field".

Hi goyacobol,

I really believe the needed power already exists within. It hungers for activation. Any help is towards its awakening. I think we so underestimate our own potential that 3rd and 4th STS must be laughing their heads off. At the same time fearful that we may figure it out. We really do set our own limits. Why I don't know. If our basic belief is limited, then limitation is what we manifest.

Perhaps knowledge, imagination, and faith are keys to breaking these chains. With a little help from the Wave.

FWIW.

Hi sitting,

I appreciate your insight and intuition. It rings true to me when you say "the needed power already exists within. It hungers for activation". Lately I have been feeling that hunger for "needed power" due to noticing what seems to me a big gap between 3D and 4D "power". I was going to go into more detail but I realize that my "hunger" will have to wait until my lessons are learned from 3D and "There is no free lunch" to put it in a nutshell.

I don't know if DEROS factor was anything worth mentioning or not. Maybe I am just too full of "anticipation" and thinking about too many scenarios that may or may not happen. I do have faith in what the Cs say about the help arriving when it is really needed and not before. I just needed someone like you to remind me I think.

Thanks :)

 

[goyacobol]

As interesting as the robot from the YASKAWA company is to watch I think there are more possibilities out there or down there so to speak. Although I have a bit of imagination I don't even compare with recent sci-fi movie creators who may be inspired by psychic remote projectors according to the Cs (Can provide source quotes if you wish).

Just to use our "imagination" a little, here is one possible example of what a DEROS might look like:

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[Mr.Cyan]

Thanks for posting the video goyacobol, certainly interesting to ponder how future robots that will "battle" humanity may look like. Also just got reminded of the epic Terminator movie and TV series when thinking about battles of man vs machine.

Thnking about DEROS & katanas - just reminded me of a scene from the movie Predators - I attach the link to a you tube clip, a scene where a Yakuza with a katana takes on a Predator :
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U99T0AOdWIc

The Predator is not really a machine, but somehow to me it seems its consciousness is more robot like...

 

[goyacobol]

Thanks for posting the video goyacobol, certainly interesting to ponder how future robots that will "battle" humanity may look like. Also just got reminded of the epic Terminator movie and TV series when thinking about battles of man vs machine.

Thnking about DEROS & katanas - just reminded me of a scene from the movie Predators - I attach the link to a you tube clip, a scene where a Yakuza with a katana takes on a Predator :
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U99T0AOdWIc

The Predator is not really a machine, but somehow to me it seems its consciousness is more robot like...

Thanks for the interesting clip Mr.Cyan. It was strange how the samurai killed the predator but also died afterwards. I guess it may be a sobering thought that the price of victory can sometimes be death. But the Cs say that "death and birth" are the same:

Session 16 November 1994

Q: (L) Is this transitioning of energy from higher densities into third density or solid matter kind of a
traumatic event for universal energy?
A: Subjective.
Q: (L) Is it a form of death?
A: Death and birth are the same.