Superjet-100 crash-lands, catches fire at major Moscow airport

Probably just the result of a confluence of unfortunate circumstances.

"Most of the passengers who failed to get out of the plane choked on combustion products," the source said.

Most of those who died in Superjet-100 fire Sunday choked on combustion products
Also, most of those who died suffered strong burns. "The causes of death on board will be established by forensic examination. At this point it looks like most of those on board died of poisoning," the source added.


Flight attendant dies trying to save passengers in plane fire at Moscow airport
Flight attendant Maksim Moiseev was with the passengers sitting in the tail of the plane. He was trying to open the rear exit door to quickly evacuate the passengers from the tail that was ablaze. He didn’t succeed and started helping people to leave the plane," the source said. According to him, the flight attendant was on board until everyone was evacuated and died in the fire.
 
Interestingly enough, Trump and Putin had on Friday a longer phone talk together.

President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin talked nuclear arms control in a phone call Friday. But what can be achieved when the US shreds treaties and Washington stays hostile to any communication with Russia?

Discussing disarmament is a step in the right direction, but the US recently pulled out of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty, an arms-reduction pact signed in 1987 by President Ronald Reagan and Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. The pullout stoked fear of a nuclear buildup in Europe, unseen since the Cold War, and is one of several international arms treaties shredded by the Trump administration.

Gorbachev himself penned an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal late last month, lamenting the return of nuclear deterrence between the two great powers, and calling for increased communication between Moscow and Washington.

"Gorbachev is exactly right," journalist Chris Hedges told RT's Rick Sanchez. "This inability on behalf of the world's two largest nuclear powers to speak and negotiate rationally is very, very dangerous."

"There are various flashpoints, Syria being one, where this conflict could go wrong really quickly, so you want communication, you want discussion," Hedges continued.

[...]

Trump said on Friday that himself and Putin discussed entering into a new nuclear arms treaty, this time a “three-way deal” with China. However, with an arms industry “making billions of dollars” refitting former Eastern Bloc countries with NATO gear, with a cabinet of war hawks, and with a Democratic party choosing to blame Russia instead of tackling the social issues that gave rise to Trump, Hedges concluded that a new age of detente is a long way off.

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Here's what Gorbachev had to say about the recent Trump-Putin phone call:
The phone call between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump was very important as Russia and US must maintain dialogue, Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet president and one of the signatories of the INF treaty, has said.

The two leaders talked on the phone of Friday, discussing nuclear non-proliferation, North Korea, Venezuela, Ukraine and bilateral trade among other things.

"This isn't yet how relations between such powers as Russia and the US must be shaped like. But it's important. It's dialogue," Gorbachev told RIA Novosti, as Moscow and Washington are going through the roughest period in their relations since the fall of the USSR. [...]

Gorbachev markedly pointed out that the phone conversation had been initiated by the US.

"What's also important is the public statement made by Trump that relations between our countries have great potential. This is certainly the case."

 
Well, for the record, I agree.

Planes are designed to survive lightning strikes. Something's up...

Yeah, that was my first thought too - something is up and there is definitely more than meets the eye. Especially considering that the Superjet is a competitor to the 737 Max - smaller single aisle planes for regional flights......
 
This is obviously not the first situation of bouncing planes that came in hard.
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May 5, 2019 , for the record, of interests.


[REAL ATC] Aeroflot Sukhoi SUFFERS A DECOMPRESSION enroute | Returns to Riga
Published on May 6, 2019
Also thanks for all the emails and messages reporting the recent Aeroflot accident in Moscow. I'm still trying to gather all the information to make a video.
 
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There was also that recent fire at the plant in Russia producing their Sarmat nukes.


It's all very 🐟🐡🐠.

Among other notable recent events there was also this air crash: One of Russia's richest women, co-owner of biggest private airline dies in plane crash in Germany

One month ago Natalia Fileva, the co-founder and co-owner (along with her husband) of S7 Airlines (Russia's biggest private airline company), died in a crash of a private jet en route from France to Germany.
 
22-year-old American killed in Russian plane crash
Published on May 7, 2019

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“[Brooks] was in the back of the plane, so he wasn’t able to make it out,” Valdez told the Sante Fe New Mexican news site.

Crew members and passengers say the Russian-built Sukhoi Superjet-100 was struck by lightning after taking off, disconnecting communications with ground control, the BBC reported. But some aviation experts have questioned whether a lightning strike could severe the plane’s communications, given that modern jets are designed to withstand storms.

Russian investigators are considering pilot error as a possible cause of the crash. The Russian news outlet, Kommersant Daily, quoting unnamed sources close to the investigation, says several factors are being scrutinized. Among them are why the pilots decided to fly into a storm front, which raised the level of risk, why they were in a hurry to land, though normal procedure is to circle over the airport first to burn up fuel, and why they appear to have exceeded the normal landing speed which, along with heavy fuel tanks, made the plane bounce off the tarmac.

Valdez, Brooks’ former employer and owner of the The Reel Life fishing shop in Santa Fe, told the Albuquerque Journal, a New Mexico news site, that Brooks “had it all to offer the world. I never heard a bad complaint against him.” Brooks was the “most patient, knowledgeable and kind guide we could ever have had,” he said in another interview.

The 22-year-old had studied environmental science and also loved philosophy, the The Santa Fe New Mexican reported. Jim Leonard, head of school at Santa Fe Preparatory School, who saw Brooks two weeks before his departure called him a “terrific kid,” and said that “his nature was one of such kindness.”

In Moscow, Brooks had been working at – what he called – “the most prestigious fly fishing lodge in the world,” according to Mark Rossetti, a friend of Brooks. “It costs about $15,000 for a week of fishing, and to get the position that he got is unheard of,” Rossetti told the The Santa Fe New Mexican “That’s not an easy job to get. I think there’s only two or three Americans who have ever guided there.”

Brooks had dreamed of working in Russia for the rest of his life, said Rossetti. “He just spent an entire month with the new rod that he bought for that job…He spent an entire month up in Washington just learning to cast. Didn’t even catch a fish. Took work so serious that he flew across the country just to cast for a month — day in, day out.”

“He would live by, ‘live straight, not straightened,’” said Rossetti, meaning “make the right decision the first time so that you don’t have to go back on your mistakes. He always did that. He was the most amazing man.”
 
Thank you for the posting. It was quite sad to read that a lot of the passangers in the rear side of the craft died
because some individuals infront of them were blocking their exit grabbing their luggage in such state of emergency.
 
This 2016 Adapt 2030 video may be pertinent if an unusually powerful lightning strike was the initial cause of the disaster.


 
Some interesting info here ( seemingly contradictory?)-


Can a lightning strike bring down a passenger jet?

There remains some confusion as to what was responsible for the crash-landing of an Aeroflot aircraft in Moscow on Sunday, but it is understood the Sukhoi Superjet100 was struck by lightning.

The Russian-made aircraft returned to the airport shortly after take-off, bounced hard on landing and burst into flames, killing 41 of the 78 people on-board.

The investigative committee is said to be considering three possible causes - poor training of the flight crew and ground personnel, a technical malfunction and bad weather. The plane's pilot Denis Yevdokimov told media that lightning had knocked out radio and electronic guidance systems, forcing pilots to fly the aircraft by hand.

But in itself a lightning strike is not usually sufficient to cause a plane crash. Indeed, it is believed aircraft are struck from above on a regular basis without incident. One study puts the rate at once per aircraft for every 1,000 flying hours - around once a year.

Typically, a bolt will hit an extremity, such as a wing tip, or the nose, and the current will travel through the aeroplane’s metal shell before leaving from another point – the tail, for example.

Patrick Smith, pilot and author of Cockpit Confidential, a book on the ins and out of air travel, agrees that planes are hit by lightning far more frequently than one might think.

“An individual jetliner is struck about once every two years, on average”, and aeroplanes are designed accordingly. “Once in a while there’s exterior damage – a superficial entry or exit wound – or minor injury to the plane’s electrical systems, but a strike typically leaves little or no evidence.” You might not even notice it, he says.

Professor Mamu Haddad, professor and director at Cardiff University's Morgan-Botti Lightning Laboratory, which works on understanding lightning strikes on aeroplane construction materials, explains further.

Modern aircraft, he says, are made from lightweight carbon composite covered with a thin layer of copper – Boeing Dreamliners and Airbus A350s have this construction – and act as effective Faraday Cages, meaning that the space inside the metal (i.e. the aircraft cabin) – is protected from electric currents.

Most important, he adds, is that the fuel tanks in the wings are not exposed to any lightning sparks – hence the surrounding metal, structural joints, access doors, vents and fuel filler caps must be able to withstand any burning from a bolt of lightning, which can have temperatures of up to 30,000C.

Strikes are most likely to happen when a jet is passing through cumulonimbus (storm) clouds, between two and five kilometres (6,500-16,500 feet) from the ground. And, like Patrick Smith, Prof Haddad says that fliers need not be concerned.

“Lightning can be up to 200,000 amps – at a low current people might hear noise, or see a flash of light through the window, but they won’t feel anything," he said. "One effect on the aircraft body might be some local melting, where the lightning struck, but the aerospace industry is highly conservative, and testing so rigorous, that passengers aren’t at risk.”

Rare though they may be, there have been several fatal incidents involving lightning strikes. In January 2014, four charred bodies were reportedly pulled from plane wreckage in Indonesia after a light aircraft owned by Intan Angkasa Air was hit by lightning and crashed. Bambang Ervan, an Indonesian transport ministry spokesman, confirmed to an Australian news site that all four people on board the aircraft were killed instantly.

In 2010, two people were killed when a Boeing 737-700 from Bogota was struck by lightning and split into three pieces as it landed at San Andres island in the Caribbean. At the time, aeronautical specialists explained that the lightning alone was unlikely to be the cause of the accident, but combined with a sharp change in wind direction, or an air pocket linked to lightning when a plane is near the ground, it could cause a crash.

Another serious case, resulting in 81 deaths, happened in 1963, when a lightning strike over Maryland caused a wing to explode on a Boeing 707 flown by Pan Am. The Federal Aviation Administration, the US equivalent of the Civil Aviation Authority, subsequently introduced changes to fuel tanks and discharge wicks aboard all aircraft. The crash is often cited as the last caused by a lightning strike

Non-fatal incidents are far more common. Famous cases include the flight taken by François Hollande, the French President, to crucial talks with Angela Merkel in Germany in 2012. The presidential Falcon 7X was struck by lightning just four minutes into the flight; Mr Hollande eventually arrived in Berlin 90 minutes late, on a different plane.

Patrick Smith remembers having a close encounter with lighting when he was at the helm of a 37-seat aeroplane.

“Lightning from a tiny embedded cumulonimbus cell got us on the nose," he said. “What we felt and heard was little more than a dull flash and a thud. No warning lights flashed, no generators tripped off line. Our conversation went:

‘What was that?’

‘I don’t know.’

‘Lightning?’

‘Might have been.’

Mechanics would later find a black smudge on the forward fuselage.”

In other words, an incident is likely to be over in a flash, literally, leaving passengers on board unaware. It’s often those on the next flight who could be delayed, as the plane undergoes post-lightning safety checks.
 
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Thank you for the posting. It was quite sad to read that a lot of the passangers in the rear side of the craft died
because some individuals infront of them were blocking their exit grabbing their luggage in such state of emergency.

Here is a video interview with Anton Shilov and Vasily Pechnikov, the hospitalized survivors of this catastrophe:


They provide many interesting details, including the luggage issue. They say that when the plane hit the ground, many luggage shelves opened up and the luggage fell from the shelves right into the aisles thereby blocking the passage. They say that nobody was actually slowing the evacuation by trying to get their luggage. People were picking up their luggage only if it was already in their way, fwiw.
 
The issue isn't really the lightning strike. It's why a modern plane coming in to land, and not in any serious danger at that point, lands the way it did. That hard, fast impact was absurd.
 
The issue isn't really the lightning strike. It's why a modern plane coming in to land, and not in any serious danger at that point, lands the way it did. That hard, fast impact was absurd.
Agree! Additionally Why they were landing with full full Tanks? I think there are procedures to release the fuel before landing. Why they didnt do that during 10 min circuling around airport? Just a thought
 
Maybe pilot miscalculated the weight of plane due to almost full fuel tanks :huh:

IMO, that's highly unlikely. Details like takeoff and landing weight are always very present in the minds of pilots. Even the fuel load in the plane is calculated for a given flight. From every pilot I've ever heard talk about it, there's no way the Russian pilot "forgot" about the full fuel tanks.

Well, unless he was negligent or incapacitated in some way... But then there's a copilot.

Or unless there was another problem, like he landed just as he should, but certain physical parameters changed due to bleedthrough - or something wacky like that.
 
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