Superluminal Travel, does it exist?

Neil

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This is a question for scientifically oriented members of the forum. Interstellar travel is one of my greatest interests, and I have done quite a bit of reading on the subject recently. Most people seem to be saying that superluminal travel is physically impossible, or so extremely difficult that it wouldn't be worth the effort to try and develop; far too expensive.

In my opinion superluminal travel does exist, however, theories are few and far between, and viable theories are even less.

First is the tachyon theory. Supposively, ships can harness theoretical particles called tachyons, which move faster than the speed of light, as a superluminal propulsion system.

Second is the wormhole theory. Ships can create a massive gravity well strong enough to fold space so that two distant points are connected with each other. I do not know how one goes about calculating such a fold in space, but I am told that the gravity required is immense. The gravity of entire stars would have to be harnessed.

Then there is the anti-gravity/unstable gravity waves theory. Ships can somehow harness gravity waves to travel at superluminal speeds. According to the Lazar material, the grays harness gravity A and B waves in order to power their ships. They use some type of material called element 116 (I wonder if it really exists) as a power source for their reactor.

Digressing from the science a bit, if superluminal travel is so difficult, how do the grays get their little tiny ships to move so fast? I've heard that their ships can reach Alpha Centauri in a matter of minutes or hours. It seems that you don't need a starcruiser to travel long distances; the galactic equivalent of a lawnmower will get you there and back. The Cassiopaeans said that superluminal travel was far from impossible, but there doesn't seem to be any proof to back it up. If you believe there are aliens here, then they must have incredible propulsion systems in order to get around and generally function. I doubt they would be getting much done if it took them a thousand years to get to their nearest worlds. Granted they are 4th density, and have some godlike powers, it does not appear to me that 4th density is a prerequisite for interstellar capabilities. My question is, how do they do it?

I like the prospect of interstellar travel; especially of the superluminal sort. It is one of the few things I can find to live for on this planet. I think it would have so much significance for humanity. If someone was to build some sort of hyperdrive, it would revolutionize everything. It may do a great deal to awaken humanity, and grab the attention of anyone else who may be out there. I know the theory behind it must be incredibly complex, and on the order of Einstein's UFT in scientific thought and advancement. I am told superluminal travel will always be the stuff of some far off fantasy. Still I am intrigued by the subject and would like to do research on the project; even if the project is a few guys sitting in a room hypothesizing about it.

So, is there any hope for superluminal travel? Anyone who is researching it? Do you know of any serious, yet open-minded references on this subject? What di you think?
 
I personally think that if humans had this kind of technology we would just spread our wars and destruction even further over the universe, and it may be a "bad" thing in some ways - if we are spread out, we don't really have any way to reform ourselves. When we're on this planet with each other, we have good reason to not have wars, and a way to realise that we shouldn't, but if we spread out before we have learnt that lesson the wars may never end.

Another thing is, I think that it would lose its novelty value quite fast if we managed to acheive FTL. The reason being is that, its not 100% known but, for the most part what is out there are just more and more planets and stars... is it really that great? The most interesting thing would be to find intelligent life - but that could also be quite dangerous.

I would much rather everyone on the planet could get along and work towards peace and understanding than have FTL transport. Or at least I would like to get FTL and go to a planet that had already acheived that ;D

BTW, I recently posted a topic on a UFO video which in its second part has a person explaining his theory on FTL, you might find it interesting: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3554
 
Neil said:
This is a question for scientifically oriented members of the forum. Interstellar travel is one of my greatest interests, and I have done quite a bit of reading on the subject recently... So, is there any hope for superluminal travel? Anyone who is researching it? Do you know of any serious, yet open-minded references on this subject? What do you think?
Even superstring guru Brian Greene mentions wormholes and time travel possibilities on PBS though he is mostly just jazzing up the show cause he thinks it's a slim possibility. It of course does exist or we all wouldn't be spending time here :) Superluminal and time travel pretty much go hand in hand, it just depends on your navigation skills. Getting the technology and navigating well with it are two different things (think Philadelphia Experiment). Even those with the technology apparently find it easier to ride the wave. Even the Cs like using the wave though I think that is just related to interfacing with us. My favorite idea is Tony Smith's but I'm a little biased in this area :)

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/SegalConf.html#shapechanging
 
Russ said:
The reason being is that, its not 100% known but, for the most part what is out there are just more and more planets and stars... is it really that great? The most interesting thing would be to find intelligent life - but that could also be quite dangerous.
But we happen to be at a spacetime point where earth is the coolest place in the galaxy, intelligent life is finding us. It is great!... and quite dangerous.
 
Superluminal travel is my next research project. I have just finished working on the final version of "Quantum Fractals on n-spheres".
If someone is interested, it is available from:

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0608117

(you need to click on "PDF" below the abstract and then save it on your PC)

One can ask what is the relation between quantum fractals and superluminal travel?

Well, the key word is "conformal transformations". Conformal group is wider than the group of transformations of Einstein's special realtivity. While in Einstein's relativity only reference frames travelling with uniform speed less than that of light are allowed, conformal transformations
do not respect causality. Acausal connections are possible. While in my paper on quantum fractals I was playing with conformal transformations
acting on directions of our sky at one point, my next project is to to use them to connect different points in space and time. It is also related to the mathematical description of "the Wave" - as the wave connects space-time points in an acausal way.
 
http://tribes.tribe.net/thoughtexperiments/thread/cfc1449a-3630-405a-a751-72b09a2b4a66

this is a link to my thought experiments tribe, where i posit that it is possible, try to explain how, and, design a warp engine.
 
This is all quite interesting, but how does one go about researching something that is so abstract? There is certainly no way to test a warp drive because it doesn't exist, and we don't have the means to build one. Even the ones that do (governments) have little interest and go on and on about how impossible it is. It's very possible that governments have some kind of hidden agenda in this area, but it seems to me that everyone would want to get their hands on FTL technology so that they could kick their expansionist policies into overdrive. Unless the Reptoids and company don't want us joining the interstellar club. This brings me back to my original question. Newtonian physics is obselete, this goes beyond relativistic physics, much of which is still considered theoretical, how do you tackle something like this? I have much studying to do before I can contribute anything meaningful, but I downloaded Ark's abstract and hope he can accomplish groundbreaking research. Maybe I can reference his work in my doctoral thesis:)
 
Neil said:
Then there is the anti-gravity/unstable gravity waves theory. Ships can somehow harness gravity waves to travel at superluminal speeds. According to the Lazar material, the grays harness gravity A and B waves in order to power their ships. They use some type of material called element 116 (I wonder if it really exists) as a power source for their reactor.

Digressing from the science a bit, if superluminal travel is so difficult, how do the grays get their little tiny ships to move so fast? I've heard that their ships can reach Alpha Centauri in a matter of minutes or hours. It seems that you don't need a starcruiser to travel long distances; the galactic equivalent of a lawnmower will get you there and back. The Cassiopaeans said that superluminal travel was far from impossible, but there doesn't seem to be any proof to back it up. If you believe there are aliens here, then they must have incredible propulsion systems in order to get around and generally function. I doubt they would be getting much done if it took them a thousand years to get to their nearest worlds. Granted they are 4th density, and have some godlike powers, it does not appear to me that 4th density is a prerequisite for interstellar capabilities. My question is, how do they do it?

Well, I came across the Bob Lazar material that you mention above, and in the video, he tries to explain:
1. How is it possible to travel vast distances of space without exceeding the speed of light?
2. How do you generate a gravitational field?
3. What is the power source for interstellar travel?
The video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJolFbj8nc4&feature=player_embedded
A very interesting video indeed!

What struck me was how similar his descriptions of utilization of gravity A waves as power source for propulsion were to the Cs description of unstable gravity waves. Before I quote those parts of transcripts, to summarise Bob Lazar's (a nuclear physicist who supposedly worked at S4 on back engineering alien UFO propulsion technology) explanation for the propulsion system:
Gravity A waves present in the nucleus of elements are utilized to warp space/time for time travel, as opposed to the macroscopic Gravity B waves which affect larger masses.
Gravity A waves present in heavy elements (such as element 115 not naturally present on earth) are more accessible than those in the natural elements.
So, element 115 is used as fuel. It is bombarded with a proton in a reactor which converts it to element 116. Element 116 being unstable, disintegrates and releases small quantity of antimatter which is focused and reacted with an equally small amount of target gas, matter liberating a large amount of energy which is converted to electrical energy by a very efficient thermoelectric generator in a controlled way. It is supposedly so efficient that it requires only 223g of the fuel to last for about 20-30 years.
This electrical energy is then used to amplify Gravity A waves of element 115, as in an electrical amplifier. The Gravity A waves coming outward from the ship are used to distort space/time and are phase shifted to Gravity B waves coming out from the Earth to provide lift.

I should mention however, I am no nuclear physicist, not even a scientist of any sort, I'm just a college student with very basic knowledge of nuclear physics, so I can't comment on the physics part of the process.

ark said:
Superluminal travel is my next research project.
Ark, please see the video in case you haven't (I guess Laura has seen the video). It might be worth the while if you are researching on superluminal travel, since I somehow thought that maybe Gravity A waves in nuclear structures and their mentioned utilization by amplification might be related to the unstable gravity waves referred to by the Cs. I don't know, its just a shot in the dark, but as the Cs mention unstable gravity waves hold the secret to Unified Field Theory and are very important, it might be worth looking into! In case, you have seen the video, maybe a review can be helpful. In the meanwhile, I will see if there is any other unstable gravity waves physics-related material from Bob Lazar, this guy might have something big here. In this video, he says that aliens have genetically manipulated humans around 65 times for thousands of years and refer to us as "containers" which has been verified by the Cs.

The transcripts which I think might be linked to the physics in the video are:

SAO said:
So time-space is antimatter but it is also "realm of the spirit"? Cuz the C's said that anti-matter is the pathway that connects the physical and ethereal universe. And boy what a can of worms that one is, cuz then you have all this unstable gravity wave business that they stressed as very important to learn about and understand.

C's on 960615 said:
A: Now, learn, read, research all you can about unstable gravity waves.
Q: (L) Okay. Unstable gravity waves. I'll see what I can find. Is there something more about this?
A: Meditate too!
...
A: Unstable gravity waves unlock as yet unknown secrets of quantum physics to make the picture crystal clear.
Q: (L) Can we free associate about these gravity waves since no bookstores are open at this hour? Gravity seems to be
a property of matter. Is that correct?
A: And....
Q: (L) And hmmmm....
A: And antimatter!
...
Q: (L) What is the issue? Can you help me out here, F****?
A: Gravity binds all that is physical with all that is ethereal through unstable gravity waves!!!
...
Q: (L) So, through unstable gravity waves, you can access other densities?
A: Everything.
Q: (L) Can you generate them mechanically?
A: Generation is really collecting and dispersing.
Q: (L) Okay, what kind of a device would collect and disperse gravity waves? Is this what spirals do?
A: On the way to.

Q: (L) So, if were to focus on collecting unstable gravity waves...
A: When you wrote "Noah" where did you place gravity?
Q: (L) I thought that gravity was an indicator of the consumption of electricity; that gravity was a byproduct of a
continuous flow of electrical energy...
A: Gravity is no byproduct! It is the central ingredient of all existence!
Q: (L) I was evaluating by electric flow and consumption... and I was thinking that electricity was evidence of some sort
of consciousness, and that gravity was evidence that a planet that had it, had life...
...
Q: (L) Is gravity the same as the strong and weak nuclear forces?
A: Gravity is "God."
Q: (L) But, I thought God was light?
A: If gravity is everything, what isn't it? Light is energy expression generated by gravity?
...
Q: (L) What would make a gravity wave unstable?
A: Utilization.

Q: (L) I feel like I am missing a really big point here...
A: You are, but you can only find it at your own pace.
Q: (L) Well, I think I need to do some reading and research so that I can come back to this.
A: And, on that note, good night.

Everything that exists, exists within us, and I think this must somehow be strongly related to (if not explained by) gravity and unstable gravity waves. Utilizing gravity waves makes them unstable. What is utilization of gravity waves that makes them unstable? What does "unstable" mean?

C's on 960622 said:
Q: (F) Well, they mentioned twice to be careful about putting in the designated quotes. (L) One of the crop circles you
interpreted was an "astronomical twin phenomenon." What is an astronomical twin phenomenon?
A: Many perfectly synchronous meanings.
Q: (L) Synchronicity is involved. Does this have something to do with "image?"
A: Duplicity of, as in "Alice through the looking glass."
Q: (L) Double images. Does this relate to matter and antimatter?
A: Yes, and...
Q: (L) Gravity and manifesting on one side and manifesting a mirror image on the other...
A: Yes, and...
Q: (L) And images of 4th density bodies with tenuous fibers connecting to DNA as in manifesting imaginal bodies on 4th
density?
A: Astronomical.
Q: (L) Okay, that relates to stars and planets... astronomical in terms of another universe, an alternate universe
composed of antimatter?
A: Yes, and....
Q: (L) And is this alternate universe going to merge with our universe...
A: No.
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe of antimatter the point from which phenomena occur or are manifested in our universe?
A: More like doorway or "conduit."
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe the means by which we must travel to 4th density? Is it like a veil, or an abyss of some
sort?
A: Think of it as the highway.

Q: (L) So, we must travel through this universe of antimatter in order to reach 4th density?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is something going to happen in terms of interacting with this antimatter in order to bring about some sort of
transition?
A: No. Realm Border is traveling wave.
Q: (L) Okay, you say "traveling wave," and then you say that antimatter is the highway. Does this mean moving through
antimatter or interacting in some way with antimatter via the the impetus of the traveling wave, or realm border?
A: Bends space/time, this is where your unstable gravity waves can be utilized.
Q: (L) Utilizing antimatter by creating an EM field, which destabilizes the gravity wave, allows antimatter to unite with
matter, creating a portal through which space/time can be bent, or traveled through via this "bending." In other words,
producing an EM field, bringing in the antimatter, IS the bending of space/time? Is that it?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is there a portal for each person, or one large portal?
A: No.
...
A: No. With proper technology you can create a portal where desired. There are unlimited options.
Q: (L) Proper technology. Unstable gravity waves. And once you told us to study Tesla coils.... antimatter... destabilizing
the gravity waves through EM generation allows the antimatter to interact with matter which then creates a portal... is it in
the antimatter universe that all this traveling back and forth is done by aliens when they abduct people?
A: Close. They transport through it, but most abductions take place in either 3rd or 4th density.

Q: (L) Is this movement through the antimatter universe, is this what people perceive in their abductions as the "wall of
fire?" The coming apart. The demolecularizing?
A: No. That is TransDimensional Atomic Remolecularization.
Q: (L) Okay, if a person were passing into the antimatter universe, how would they perceive it?
A: They wouldn't.
Q: (L) Why?
A: No space; no time.

So not being able to perceive time/space aka "antimatter" from the RA quote seems to correlate with the C's. But I think here they suggest that an EM field destabilizes the gravity wave, so maybe I was wrong with my thought that it is free will. Although I'm sure free will is a piece of the overall equation, it's just a matter of plugging it correctly.

On a separate note it's funny that in Star Trek in order to travel at "warp speed" they used a matter/antimatter reactor. Bringing matter and anti-matter together was used to traverse space/time faster than light (it literally creates a portal into "subspace", which is like a "conduit"), which is similar to what the C's appear to indicate. Maybe Star Trek was "inspired" to some extent? But aaanyway..

The can of worms just gets more complicated:

C's on 960629 said:
Q: (L) I am trying to find out what effect increasing awareness has on human beings in relation to this unstable gravity
wave you have mentioned, as well as the oncoming "wave."
A: You are trying to "marry" two parallels.
Q: (L) We have two parallels... okay... so if one is exponential increasing in awareness, the sign of the units of bodily
energy does not change?
A: You are still attempting to generate.
Q: (L) Well, I am just trying to get a grip on some ideas here...
A: Then change the thought pattern. Gravity is the "stuff" of all existence; therefore it has an unchanging property of
quantity.
Q: (L) So, gravity is not being "used," per se?
A: Close.
Q: (L) You said that light was an energy expression of gravity. Then you said...
A: You can utilize gravity, but you cannot "use" it. You cannot increase or decrease that which is in perfectly balanced
static state.
Q: (L) So, gravity is in a perfectly "static" state. Yet, it can be "utilized." Can you make clear for me the transition from
the static state to transition? What occurs?
A: There is no transition, just application.

Q: (L) What occurs from the perfectly static state to the application mode? Is anybody following me?
A: No, including us!
Q: (L) Wonderful! What I am trying to get at is, 1) gravity exists in a static state; 2) light is an energy expression of
gravity, therefore it is utilization? Correct?
A: No. Light is an expression of gravitational energy.
Q: (L) Well, when one has an expression, it expresses onto, into, or to something somewhere...
A: It does?
Q: (L) Well...
A: If a tree falls in the forest, and nothing is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
Q: (L) You are saying that gravity is everywhere in balance and static, and then you say that utilization causes unstable
gravity waves. And then you say that gravity is God, and that God is all creation, and we are a part of all creation, and,
therefore, we are of God, and gravity. So, what I am trying to get at here is what is the thing, the event, the manifestation,
the mode of utilization that takes gravity from a perfectly static state to an unstable state, if you are saying it is always
perfectly balanced. That does not make sense to me.
A: Instability does not automatically mean non-static. Unstable waves can be static in their instability.

Connecting ALL of that together in a coherent way should take lifetimes! So when you ask about wave oscillation in space-time and time-space, you open a can of worms the size of the universe. But learning is fun!

And lastly:
Laura said:
Q: (L) Bob Lazar[5] referred to the fact that aliens supposedly refer to humans as containers. What does this mean?
A: Later use.
Q: (L) Use by who? How many:
A: 94 per cent.
Q: (L) 94 per cent of what?
A: Of all population.

Q: (L) What do you mean?
A: All are containers; 94 per cent use.
Q: I don't understand.
A: Will be used. 94 percent.
Q: (L) Used for what? You mean eaten?
A: Total consumption.
Q: (L) What do you mean by consumption? Ingested?
A: Consumed for ingredients.
Q: (L) Why?
A: New race. Important. 13 years about when happens.
Q: (L) Why are humans consumed?
A: They are used for parts.
Q: (L) We don't understand. How can humans be used for parts?
A: Reprototype. Vats exist. Missing persons often go there and especially missing children.
Saddens me a bit..very creepy stuff :(..anyways, all the best and thanks for all your effort!! :)
 
Just a note that Bob Lazar is a known disinformation specialist - so take his information with a large grain of salt. Of course, that doesn't mean that everything he says is false, since good disinformation is always built around nuggets of truth, in order to lead astray those people who recognize the nuggets of truth.
 
Bluelamp said:
Russ said:
The reason being is that, its not 100% known but, for the most part what is out there are just more and more planets and stars... is it really that great? The most interesting thing would be to find intelligent life - but that could also be quite dangerous.
But we happen to be at a spacetime point where earth is the coolest place in the galaxy, intelligent life is finding us. It is great!... and quite dangerous.

Half joking half serious, I have always found this idea that we are a "special place" a bit too much to digest. Out of millions of galaxies, solar systems, stars and planets, I do not understand why we are "special"? I would rather consider Earth a grand of sand in the universe that is going undersome changes as a few thousand others might be doing right now, and us, as beings just having chosen this school at this stage to learn, but we could be anywhere else should we wish it in the next incarnation. Who says that the changes going on somewhere else in the other corner of the galaxy are not more interesting and as soon as my body dies I am not going to incarnate in that place to experience their version of the "wave"?...
 
David Topi said:
Bluelamp said:
Russ said:
The reason being is that, its not 100% known but, for the most part what is out there are just more and more planets and stars... is it really that great? The most interesting thing would be to find intelligent life - but that could also be quite dangerous.
But we happen to be at a spacetime point where earth is the coolest place in the galaxy, intelligent life is finding us. It is great!... and quite dangerous.

Half joking half serious, I have always found this idea that we are a "special place" a bit too much to digest. Out of millions of galaxies, solar systems, stars and planets, I do not understand why we are "special"? I would rather consider Earth a grand of sand in the universe that is going undersome changes as a few thousand others might be doing right now, and us, as beings just having chosen this school at this stage to learn, but we could be anywhere else should we wish it in the next incarnation. Who says that the changes going on somewhere else in the other corner of the galaxy are not more interesting and as soon as my body dies I am not going to incarnate in that place to experience their version of the "wave"?...
I think my thinking was that the "wave" finding planets ready for certain kinds of transitions is rare enough that there are intelligent "spectators" that can't just go anywhere to see it. Overall though you are right that we aren't any more special than anywhere else that might have this kind of transition at different points in spacetime. It's also probably better described as something interesting rather than something special; special does sound a little too better than others.
 
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uY3CVZd5b1g#!

Is a documentary about the faster than light finding that the Physicists at OPERA in Italy found. Just a note, but if you want to skip physics 101 + a little history which most here probably know, then i recommend forwarding to 48:00. That where they start talking about a possible mechanism that would corroborate the FTL finding.

It is most interesting that when trying to account for FTL one must introduce higher dimensions.
 
I think it's possible to travel faster than the speed of light in conventional terms. I came across the idea that Einstein's special theory was flawed while reading on the internet, and upon looking at the geometry I found that x' = x + dx/dt or something, but t' = t then they go on to show that t' = Gamma * t or something which means that Gamma = 1 or the theory is inconsistant.

Continuing on I found that matter can travel faster that the speed of light just by accelerating itself (if that makes sence, particle accelerators work the way they do because the magnetic field as 'observed' by the particle is weaker because F = B x v + q or something, so the acceleration on the particle is getting weaker as the particle gets faster). And that it MIGHT be possible to observe particles travelling faster than light if you look (with your space sensors) at them at just the right angle.

After this I began to think that dark matter is matter travelling faster than light, and that guy in the really deep underground science facility with all the water is finding faster than light particles hitting the water at just the right angle... But that was really a stretch, 'cause I know nothing of what he's looking for in science (maths) terms.

P.S. sorry for not knowing the equations off the top of my head, but they're in lots of physics books.
 
Chickenmales said:
t' = Gamma * t

It is not "Gamma * t". It is just "Gamma t." In physics, Gamma followed by a variable is the measure of the change of the variable from one state to another.

For example, if we want to mark 2 minutes ago as t_0 = 0 minutes. Then now would be t_1 = 2 minutes. In this instance,

Gamma t = t_1 - t_0 = 2 minutes

Of course, we are not entirely convinced by linear time around here, insistent though it seems to be :D
 
I didn't know Gamma t = t_1 - t_0, What I meant by Gamma was 1/(1 - v^2/c^2)^1/2

Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
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