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RAMALLAH, Palestinian Territories (AFP)
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Global support for the Palestinians grew on Wednesday a day ahead of a fresh bid to seek upgraded UN status in a move likely to win them new recognition but with a price to pay.

President Mahmud Abbas will on Thursday submit the request seeking to upgrade their rank from an observer entity to that of a non-member observer state before the UN General Assembly.

If the request is approved by the 193 member states of the General Assembly, it will give the Palestinians access to a range of UN agencies and also potentially to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

As Abbas prepared to make his move, a growing number of European countries said they would vote in favour of the motion, including Spain, Norway, Denmark and Switzerland, following France's lead on Tuesday.

"We're going to have a vast majority, more than two-thirds," senior PLO official Hanan Ashrawi told reporters in the West Bank town of Ramallah, saying they were confident of easily winning the simple majority needed for the upgrade.

The bid comes 14 months after Abbas first approached the UN to seek full state membership in a request which stalled at the Security Council after the United States threatened to use its veto.

"We are going to the United Nations fully confident in our steps," Abbas said on Sunday. "We ask for a just peace, which is agreed on by the international community, which will give us our state with east Jerusalem as its capital."

But the move is strongly opposed by the United States and Israel, which say a Palestinian state should only emerge out of bilateral negotiations, with State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland on Tuesday confirming that Washington saw the move as "a mistake" and would vote against it.

Israeli officials fear that the Palestinians could use their new-found status to sue them for war crimes at the ICC.

Germany said it would not vote in favour of the bid while Britain said it would abstain unless the Palestinians committed not to petition the ICC and pledged an immediate return to negotiations with Israel.
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Senior Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) official Hanan Ashrawi during a press conference in Ramallah during which she spoke about the Palestinian bid to become a non-member state in the UN on November 28, 2012. Global support for the Palestinians grew on Wednesday a day ahead of a fresh bid to seek upgraded UN status in a move likely to win them new recognition but with a price to pay.


Despite what Ashrawi said was "intensive pressure" over the ICC, she said they had not caved in and insisted that the text of the resolution "will not be modified."

"We haven't decided that tomorrow we are going to be recognised as a state and the day after, we are going to the International Criminal Court."

But she said she hoped the threat alone would prove to be "a positive inducement for corrective action" in Israel's stance vis-a-vis the Palestinians.

This week, Abbas also received a rare show of support from the rival Islamist Hamas movement which rules the Gaza Strip.

Last year, Hamas publicly opposed the bid, but on Monday, its exiled chief Khaled Meshaal phoned Abbas to tell him that the faction "welcomes the step of going to the United Nations for state observer status."

But Abbas knows there may well be a political backlash over his decision to return to the United Nations.

Israel has been weighing countermeasures such as potentially freezing the transfer of tax and tariff funds it collects on their behalf, while some ministers have raised the idea of cancelling the 1993 Oslo peace accords.

And a foreign ministry policy paper even suggested "toppling" the Palestinian Authority.

But a ministry spokeswoman said Israel would most likely not take any punitive measures -- unless the Palestinians used the upgrade "as a platform for confrontation".

"Israel's reaction to the Palestinian move depends on what they choose to do. If they use this resolution as a platform for confrontation, we will have to act accordingly," said Ilana Stein in reference to any move at the ICC.

Washington has repeatedly urged Abbas to drop the request, warning he risks losing around $200 million in development aid earmarked for the Palestinian Authority which is currently blocked in the US Congress.

It could also affect American financial aid to the United Nations under terms of a US law which prohibits funding international bodies that recognise a Palestinian state.

Abbas says the UN bid complements efforts to achieve a two-state solution.

"We don't want any confrontations with the United States or Israel. If we could start a dialogue or negotiations the day after the vote, we will."

Add: source _http://www.afp.com/en/node/732857
 
I didn't watch TV for a long time. UN is going to vote, and I'm watching right now what politics say about this question here:
_http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
Maybe somebody will be interested in it also.

Add: it is online news. and it just ended about Palestine question. Maybe they will show something more later. I decided to post it to late I think.
 
Palestine has been granted (how magnanimous!) Non-member observer state status by the United Nations with 138 votes in favor, 9 against and 41 abstentions. Israel and the US said it was a mistake. The point now is this: non-member observer states are recognised by the UN as SOVEREIGN STATES.

Israel doesn't like this because it add a little more weight to the FACT that when Israel unilaterally attacks Palestine, they are attacking a SOVEREIGN STATE and are therefore more clearly (as if it was necessary) guilty of crimes against humanity.

Next stop for Palestine is membership of the International Criminal Court, at which point it can bring dozens of cases against Israel for those crimes against humanity.
 
[quote author= Perceval]
Palestine has been granted (how magnanimous!) Non-member observer state status by the United Nations with 138 votes in favor, 9 against and 41 abstentions.
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The article on SOTT (http://www.sott.net/article/254210-Palestine-statehood-bid-succeeds-at-UN-general-assembly-138-to-41) has 9 abstentions and 41 against. What you quoted is indeed correct. You may wanna fix that. ;)
 
Map of voting results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Resolution_of_Palestine_as_Observer_State.svg
 
Lilou said:
[quote author= Perceval]
Palestine has been granted (how magnanimous!) Non-member observer state status by the United Nations with 138 votes in favor, 9 against and 41 abstentions.

The article on SOTT (http://www.sott.net/article/254210-Palestine-statehood-bid-succeeds-at-UN-general-assembly-138-to-41) has 9 abstentions and 41 against. What you quoted is indeed correct. You may wanna fix that. ;)
[/quote]

Thanks.

Someone has fixed it.
 
It is shameful that Canada voted against the resolution. It is shameful to see all this situation. I feel so angry and every day more and more.

What they mean that now Palestine is an "observer country"? Anyway, one day Israel will pay, this is my dream.
 
loreta said:
What they mean that now Palestine is an "observer country"? Anyway, one day Israel will pay, this is my dream.

_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/what-palestinian-nonmember-state-means_n_2214623.html

JERUSALEM -- The admission of Palestine as a nonmember state in the United Nations is far more than a symbolic vote. For the Palestinians, the move gives them an important boost of international legitimacy in their quest for independence. For Israel and its key ally, the United States, it is a diplomatic setback with potentially grave implications.
PALESTINIANS:

The vote benefits the Palestinians on many levels. Domestically, it gives embattled President Mahmoud Abbas a boost in his rivalry with the Hamas militant group. As peace efforts have flagged, Abbas has steadily lost popularity with the Palestinian public, while Hamas is riding high after battling Israel during an eight-day flare-up in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip this month.

Internationally, it puts Abbas and the Palestinian agenda back at center stage. The vote grants Abbas an overwhelming international endorsement for his key position: establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem, the territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war. With Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu opposed to a pullback to the 1967 lines, this should strengthen Abbas' hand if peace talks resume.

It also opens the door to the Palestinians joining U.N. agencies, most critically the International Criminal Court, where they could use their newfound status to press for war crimes charges against Israel for military operations and construction of Jewish settlements on occupied territories. On the downside, the vote does not change the situation on the ground – a point Israelis have repeatedly stressed in an effort to blunt any appearance of defeat.

And as Perceval said
Perceval said:
.... The point now is this: non-member observer states are recognised by the UN as SOVEREIGN STATES.

Israel doesn't like this because it add a little more weight to the FACT that when Israel unilaterally attacks Palestine, they are attacking a SOVEREIGN STATE and are therefore more clearly (as if it was necessary) guilty of crimes against humanity.

Next stop for Palestine is membership of the International Criminal Court, at which point it can bring dozens of cases against Israel for those crimes against humanity.

I hope this will stop Israel from committing further crimes, at least to some extent.
 
I am happy for the Palestinians, really. I hope they will pursue Israel for war crimes, humanitarian crimes. Little by little.

Thanks.
 
loreta said:
It is shameful that Canada voted against the resolution. It is shameful to see all this situation. I feel so angry and every day more and more.

That was exactly my thought as well. Though it's definitely not surprising due to the Harper government's pro-Israel stance, but it's still really awful to see Canada go down the tubes with decisions like this.
Anyway, one day Israel will pay, this is my dream.

Here here. That's a dream we both share and this win for Palestine is one step towards that goal.
 
Gilad Atzmon was right many times before; is he right now? Is it possible that we are seeing a light in the very long and dark tunnel at last?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-end-of-jewish-power-1.html#entry31497229

The End of Jewish Power
Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:44AM

By Gilad Atzmon

Israel suffered a humiliating defeat at The UN yesterday. The nations of the world stood up and said NO to the Jewish state - NO to Israeli occupation, NO to Israeli human rights abuse, NO to Jewish racism. In effect, they stood up and confessed to serious Zio-fatigue.

Despite Jewish success in constantly reminding Europeans of their tormented past, Europe yesterday delivered itself of its guilt and Israel’s European allies such as Germany, France, Britain and Italy also delivered a clear messages to Israel – they are right out of patience. This is a very good news indeed.

But interestingly, this united opposition to Israel is not in response the Israeli strength. On the contrary, it is actually a reaction to Israeli weakness. In the last few months we have seen the complete and final eradication of the famed Israeli power of deterrence. For months, Israel gave the impression that it was ready and willing to attack Iran nuclear facilities, only to have to admit, even to itself, that it lacked both the means and guts to do so. Israel then launched a lethal attack on the people of Gaza. It called up 75.000 IDF reservists, only to find out that it didn’t have the stomach to face Palestinian resistance.

So, just as Israel is learning to admit to its own cowardice, the rest of the world is at last finding the courage to realise that it can well do without a Jewish state that is nothing but trouble and a grave threat to world peace.

In spite of the powerful Jewish lobby, the Zionist-controlled media and Wall Street, the Jewish state and its Zionist backers have proved to be impotent. It may have the desire, the hope and even the pathos, but it just ain’t stiff enough to deliver.
 
Possibility of Being said:
Gilad Atzmon was right many times before; is he right now? Is it possible that we are seeing a light in the very long and dark tunnel at last?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-end-of-jewish-power-1.html#entry31497229

The End of Jewish Power
Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:44AM

By Gilad Atzmon

Israel suffered a humiliating defeat at The UN yesterday. The nations of the world stood up and said NO to the Jewish state - NO to Israeli occupation, NO to Israeli human rights abuse, NO to Jewish racism. In effect, they stood up and confessed to serious Zio-fatigue.

Despite Jewish success in constantly reminding Europeans of their tormented past, Europe yesterday delivered itself of its guilt and Israel’s European allies such as Germany, France, Britain and Italy also delivered a clear messages to Israel – they are right out of patience. This is a very good news indeed.

But interestingly, this united opposition to Israel is not in response the Israeli strength. On the contrary, it is actually a reaction to Israeli weakness. In the last few months we have seen the complete and final eradication of the famed Israeli power of deterrence. For months, Israel gave the impression that it was ready and willing to attack Iran nuclear facilities, only to have to admit, even to itself, that it lacked both the means and guts to do so. Israel then launched a lethal attack on the people of Gaza. It called up 75.000 IDF reservists, only to find out that it didn’t have the stomach to face Palestinian resistance.

So, just as Israel is learning to admit to its own cowardice, the rest of the world is at last finding the courage to realise that it can well do without a Jewish state that is nothing but trouble and a grave threat to world peace.

In spite of the powerful Jewish lobby, the Zionist-controlled media and Wall Street, the Jewish state and its Zionist backers have proved to be impotent. It may have the desire, the hope and even the pathos, but it just ain’t stiff enough to deliver.

I really hope that the Zionist psychopaths don't take this as a dare to do exactly what they are being called too cowardly to do!
 
Nienna Eluch said:
Possibility of Being said:
Gilad Atzmon was right many times before; is he right now? Is it possible that we are seeing a light in the very long and dark tunnel at last?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-end-of-jewish-power-1.html#entry31497229

The End of Jewish Power
Friday, November 30, 2012 at 11:44AM
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In spite of the powerful Jewish lobby, the Zionist-controlled media and Wall Street, the Jewish state and its Zionist backers have proved to be impotent. It may have the desire, the hope and even the pathos, but it just ain’t stiff enough to deliver.

I really hope that the Zionist psychopaths don't take this as a dare to do exactly what they are being called too cowardly to do!
Indeed!
 
All the politicians that voted yes for Palestina yesterday at the UN did a good thing but we have not to forget that they are the same that did nothing for Gaza last week. So they are very hypocritical. In my mind I am aware that all those man that voted yes yesterday are also psychopaths. And they follow the USA-Israel politics in many things.If they voted a yes it is for a reason, maybe it was really impossible to vote a no. I don't know. I am not a specialist in Middle Orient geo politics. Maybe someone can give an insight on this?
 

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