I also thought about why they vote 'yes', that there must be a reason for it. I'm afraid if it is all one plan, which is beneficial to Israel to make some further actions against Palestine, I hope that is not. Or maybe as you said it was impossible to vote - 'no'.loreta said:
Support grows for Palestinian status upgrade at UN
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D said:
I think it was predictable who will vote against and/or abstain. Always the same ones, and regarding the ones who "abstained", to me "abstaining" in this case is the same than being pro-Israel.
Serg said:
Anyway, I'm sure they will find a reason for making a destructive terminal war in that area and try to wipe out all semitic peoples (including both Palestinians and even some jews), I don't think they will give up that plan that easily.
source: _http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20552391Israel has authorised the construction of 3,000 more housing units in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to Israeli officials.
It is also speeding up the processing of 1,000 planning permissions.
The Palestinian Authority has said it will not return to peace talks without a freeze in settlement building.
The decision comes a day after a vote at the UN General Assembly upgraded the Palestinians' status at the UN to that of non-member observer state.
According to the Israeli Haaretz newspaper, some of the new units will be between Jerusalem and the settlement of Maale Adumim.
Plans to build settlements in the area, known as E1, are strongly opposed by Palestinians, who say the development will cut the West Bank in two, preventing the creation of a contiguous Palestinian state.
The move is a first indication of Israeli anger, less than 24 hours after the vote on Palestinian status was held at the UN, the BBC's Kevin Connolly in Jerusalem reports.
The Palestinians may well have been expecting this - or something like it - but it is a reminder that the gulf between the two on the settlement issue remains huge, our correspondent adds.
Earlier this month, a paper by the Israeli foreign ministry described the Palestinians' pushing for the vote as "crossing a red line that will require the harshest Israeli response".
About 500,000 Jews live in more than 100 settlements built since the occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
'Political theatre'
Earlier on Friday, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said the UN vote was "negative political theatre" that would "hurt peace".
The General Assembly voted by 138-9 to recognise the Palestinians as a non-member observer state, with 41 states abstaining.
The Palestinians can now take part in UN debates and potentially join bodies like the International Criminal Court (ICC).
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said it was the "last chance to save the two-state solution" with Israel.
Two decades of on-off negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank have failed to produce a permanent settlement, with the latest round of direct negotiations breaking down in 2010.
In January, several months of indirect "proximity talks" ended without any progress.
Palestinian negotiators insist that the building of Jewish settlements on occupied land must stop before they agree to resume direct talks.
Their Israeli counterparts say there can be no preconditions.
Mr Abbas was much criticised by many Palestinians for remaining on the sidelines of the conflict between the militant Hamas movement and Israel earlier this month in Gaza.
I just saw it, and reading it right now.
FWIW, here's my take on the situation.
The state of Israel was created largely because the Brits and Americans decided that it would be useful to have a 'friendly' state in the Middle East to help exert control over and manipulate the different governments there in order to control the oil reserves. For the last 60 years this relationship has worked ok for both the Empire builders and Israel, although the Zionists never trusted the US or Western powers and have gone to great lengths to infiltrate the political and cultural arenas of Western nations in order to ensure they could direct their Middle East policies, especially those of the US.
In recent years, with the American Empire at its height, the goals of the US and Israel began to diverge. The American Empire wants a global Empire in the image of the US: a capitalist world government with a compliant and dumbed down population of workers and consumers. The American Empire has, in recent years, been attempting to "remake" the Middle East along these lines as part of a global process. While this process is still ongoing and has required the direct invasion and occupation of a few Arab nations, ultimately, the agenda is a "pacified" Middle East.
This is where the interests of the American Empire starts to diverge from that of Israel. In a pacified Middle East, Israel, as a uniquely Jewish state that is, by definition and because of the illegal nature of its borders and its occupation of Palestinian land, an antagonist towards its Arab Muslim neighbors. Israel therefore is a problem for any plan for a new 'pacified' Middle East remade by the forces of the American Empire.
What I am suggesting is that it is not benevolence on the part of the US or other nations towards Palestinians or Arabs that is causing this apparent turning away from Israel, but the fact that the initial Zionist zeal that made the state of Israel useful is now an impediment to the Empire's grand plans. The Zionists therefore, through their extremism and the "bed" they have made for themselves, may end up creating the conditions that lead to their own destruction.
The state of Israel was created largely because the Brits and Americans decided that it would be useful to have a 'friendly' state in the Middle East to help exert control over and manipulate the different governments there in order to control the oil reserves. For the last 60 years this relationship has worked ok for both the Empire builders and Israel, although the Zionists never trusted the US or Western powers and have gone to great lengths to infiltrate the political and cultural arenas of Western nations in order to ensure they could direct their Middle East policies, especially those of the US.
In recent years, with the American Empire at its height, the goals of the US and Israel began to diverge. The American Empire wants a global Empire in the image of the US: a capitalist world government with a compliant and dumbed down population of workers and consumers. The American Empire has, in recent years, been attempting to "remake" the Middle East along these lines as part of a global process. While this process is still ongoing and has required the direct invasion and occupation of a few Arab nations, ultimately, the agenda is a "pacified" Middle East.
This is where the interests of the American Empire starts to diverge from that of Israel. In a pacified Middle East, Israel, as a uniquely Jewish state that is, by definition and because of the illegal nature of its borders and its occupation of Palestinian land, an antagonist towards its Arab Muslim neighbors. Israel therefore is a problem for any plan for a new 'pacified' Middle East remade by the forces of the American Empire.
What I am suggesting is that it is not benevolence on the part of the US or other nations towards Palestinians or Arabs that is causing this apparent turning away from Israel, but the fact that the initial Zionist zeal that made the state of Israel useful is now an impediment to the Empire's grand plans. The Zionists therefore, through their extremism and the "bed" they have made for themselves, may end up creating the conditions that lead to their own destruction.
Perceval said:
In this case, I wonder if we are close to the disclosure of Israel's involvement in 9/11.
Also, here are some relevant quotes from the interview (taken at least 10 years ago, during Intifada days) with Martin van Creveld, "infamous" professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who was invited to give lectures at the Pentagon, and who also said "We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under."
_http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1154.htm
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Perceval ] FWIW said:
Here here yes, it will take a lot of voices around the world to send this nest of vipers into the light and the Palestinians require the voices of all for their rightful homes return.
As for Harper, he and his cadre is shameful. He pretends to be the generalissimo with a tie; a snake in a suit. He likely has the backing of 2 in 10 Canadians or 30 something percent of 14 million who voted. How he gets away with thinking he speaks for Canadians likely comes down to the corrupted press and his friends in economic and corporate circles. If people understood history in Canada, we would be seen as an embarrassment since inception from the acts of pathocrats doing what they do best. Under Harper, it is a train wreck coming.
Re: my above post; Israel and France are issuing "strong statements" to Israel over the Israeli announcement that they would start building 3,000 houses in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, as a response to the 'upgrade' of Palestine's status at the UN
Time will tell if these are just words, but given the timing it may be evidence of the tide turning against Israel.
Time will tell if these are just words, but given the timing it may be evidence of the tide turning against Israel.
knowledge_of_self
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Fwiw I agree with your view point Perceval.
Also when I read this today
http://www.sott.net/article/254312-UK-France-may-pull-out-envoys-from-Israel-over-settlement-construction-reports
the first thought in my head was that they are probably pulling out their envoys because they know Israel is about to commit a false-flag and they want their people out of there before they do. It just would not surprise me... but then again maybe I'm being pessimistic.
Also when I read this today
http://www.sott.net/article/254312-UK-France-may-pull-out-envoys-from-Israel-over-settlement-construction-reports
the first thought in my head was that they are probably pulling out their envoys because they know Israel is about to commit a false-flag and they want their people out of there before they do. It just would not surprise me... but then again maybe I'm being pessimistic.
D said:
Who knows, but my main thoughts on all of this are that the Israelis are and always have been extremely paranoid that the world will "turn on them", which naturally leads to a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy where the paranoia results in extreme reactions by the Israelis to what might otherwise be relatively insignificant or 'normal' events, which in turn leads to further condemnation by others which leads to more extreme reactions from the Israelis and down it goes. The big red flag for the Israelis is, of course, any hint that the Americans, Brits and Europeans would be changing their pro-Israel stance. If the Israelis become convinced of that, it could all crash and burn very quickly. Then again, I have little doubt that any such change in Western attitudes towards Israel would be a conscious move, at least at some level of the power structure.
Another sign that the world wide pressure on Israel is increasing? Coming quickly on the heels of the positive UN vote on a Palestinian status upgrade.
Pob said:
Oops, sorry for the slip up
:)
