Tea Party: party of pathologicals

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Olbermann did a good summary with quotes of the pathological statements of Tea Party representatives.
The insane have escaped the asylum and are now running for public office. I believe they are called the Tea Party because they have tea bags for brains.

_http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39875964/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
 
anart said:
They ARE the new Nazi Party - and this is not a figurative statement.

Really good synopsis by Olbermann.
Sure looks like the next few years are going to be very interesting!
I wonder when the people are going to wake up and discover they are now living in 'Nazi Germany'?
 
It is on SOTT : http://www.sott.net/articles/show/217248-Olbermann-If-the-Tea-Party-wins-America-loses
 
There's no doubt in my mind that the rise of the Tea Party parallels the rise of the Nazi party in Germany to an uncanny degree. The pathocracy going into hyperdrive! :scared:
 
I don't live in America, but this saddens and scares me LOTS! :O

It scares me because there is now literally a fascist political movement within the United States that is running for office.

Some of the comments from proponents of this movement are absolutely unbelievable.

A party of pathologicals indeed!
 
Paragon said:
It scares me because there is now literally a fascist political movement within the United States that is running for office.

It looks to me as if there's been fascists in power for quite a long while, and what's happening now is that they're becoming a bit more overt about it.
 
anart said:
They ARE the new Nazi Party - and this is not a figurative statement.

Actually, I think the Forth Reich has been in power for quite some time now...these rabid extremists are being funded and offered up as candidates to help keep the current puppets in office.
 
m said:
Paragon said:
It scares me because there is now literally a fascist political movement within the United States that is running for office.

It looks to me as if there's been fascists in power for quite a long while, and what's happening now is that they're becoming a bit more overt about it.

Yes there has been unfortunately :(

Its just shocking to see it so blatent and outrightly propogated in the form of a politcal movement FWIW.

As bad as the tea party are, perhaps it can help wake more people from their sleep and help raise awareness of how America is/already is, turning into Nazi Germany. A party of useful idiots OSIT?
 
Actually, I think the Forth Reich has been in power for quite some time now...these rabid extremists are being funded and offered up as candidates to help keep the current puppets in office.

It reminded me of Protocols where it says they control both parties and it says that was the case with French revolution, and probably with Hitler coming to "power", but if ice age comes then I think author made good prediction that republicans won't stand long. But maybe that was their original plan, to make people so desperate with financial crisis to accept totalitarian regime under condition that they are secured in materialistic way, but that also sounds kind of to far because psychopath greed can't be controlled probably.
 
I think what we're seeing is the shift from what Sheldon Wolin calls "inverted totalitarianism" (Chris Hedges mentions this idea in his articles and interviews) to class totalitarianism. Yep, it's gonna get really overt. Not that things aren't already bad, but they're gonna get worse. As pathocracy becomes more overt, it seems to have a solidifying or crystallizing effect. That's when the machine gets in motion, oppression becomes more widespread and violent, censorship more extreme, and people have to watch every word lest it is heard by a fanatic informer. Scary stuff...
 
I've been digging through Hannah Arendt's 'The Origins of Totalitarianism' recently and I think what we are seeing in the rise of the Tea Party may be quite similar to what she describes as a precursor to the rise of a totalitarian movement.

She spends quite a bit of time writing about the breakdown of the traditional organizing lines of society as based on nationality, race and class, which in turn leads to a new type of 'organizing' based on the 'mob'. I'm not entirely sure I understand this dense and difficult material as well as I might, but it does seem like the Tea Party is attempting to provoke the mob element. They have no coherent, rational party platform- rather, they are presenting a narrow, fear-based emotional appeal (on hot-button issues all over the map) which seems designed to evoke a response from those who are ignorant of the actual data about issues. That would be the majority of people, who are either ignorant or thus far politically uninvolved.

I'm curious what others think about this.

from "The Origins of Totalitarianism"
The totalitarian movements aim at and succeed in organizing masses
not classes, like the old interest parties of the Continental nation-states; not
citizens with opinions about, and interests in, the handling of public affairs,
like the parties of Anglo-Saxon countries.
p.308

Totalitarian movements are possible wherever there are masses who for
one reason or another have acquired the appetite for political organization.
Masses are not held together by a consciousness of common interest and they
lack that specific class articulateness which is expressed in determined,
limited, and obtainable goals. The term masses applies only where we deal
with people who either because of sheer numbers, or indifference, or a
combination of both, cannot be integrated into any organization based on
common interest, into political parties or municipal governments or professional
organizations or trade unions. Potentially, they exist in every country
and form the majority of those large numbers of neutral, politically
indifferent people who never join a party and hardly ever go to the polls.
It was characteristic of the rise of the Nazi movement in Germany and
of the Communist movements in Europe after 1930 that they recruited
their members from this mass of apparently indifferent people whom all
other parties had given up as too apathetic or too stupid for their attention.
The result was that the majority of their membership consisted of
people who never before had appeared on the political scene. This permitted
the introduction of entirely new methods into political propaganda,
and indifference to the arguments of political opponents; these movements
not only placed themselves outside and against the party system as
a whole, they found a membership that had never been reached, never
been "spoiled" by the party system. Therefore they did not need to refute
opposing arguments and consistently preferred methods which ended in
death rather than persuasion, which spelled terror rather than conviction.
They presented disagreements as invariably originating in deep natural,
social, or psychological sources beyond the control of the individual and
therefore beyond the power of reason. This would have been a shortcoming
only if they had sincerely entered into competition with other parties;
it was not if they were sure of dealing with people who had reason to be
equally hostile to all parties.

The success of totalitarian movements among the masses meant the end
of two illusions of democratically ruled countries in general and of European
nation-states and their party system in particular. The first was that
the people in its majority had taken an active part in government and that
each individual was in sympathy with one's own or somebody else's party.
On the contrary, the movements showed that the politically neutral and
indifferent masses could easily be the majority in a democratically ruled
country, that therefore a democracy could function according to rules
which are actively recognized by only a minority. The second democratic
illusion exploded by the totalitarian movements was that these politically
indifferent masses did not matter, that they were truly neutral and constituted
no more than the inarticulate backward setting for the political life
of the nation. Now they made apparent what no other organ of public
opinion had ever been able to show, namely, that democratic government
had rested as much on the silent approbation and tolerance of the indifferent
and inarticulate sections of the people as on the articulate and visible institutions
and organizations of the country. Thus when the totalitarian
movements invaded Parliament with their contempt for parliamentary government,
they merely appeared inconsistent: actually, they succeeded in
convincing the people at large that parliamentary majorities were spurious
and did not necessarily correspond to the realities of the country, thereby
undermining the self-respect and the confidence of governments which
also believed in majority rule rather than in their constitutions.
It has frequently been pointed out that totalitarian movements use and
abuse democratic freedoms in order to abolish them. This is not just devilish
cleverness on the part of the leaders or childish stupidity on the part
of the masses. Democratic freedoms may be based on the equality of all
citizens before the law; yet they acquire their meaning and function
organically only where the citizens belong to and are represented by groups
or form a social and political hierarchy. The breakdown of the class system,
the only social and political stratification of the European nation-states,
certainly was "one of the most dramatic events in recent German history"
and as favorable to the rise of Nazism as the absence of social stratification
in Russia's immense rural population (this "great flaccid body destitute
of political education, almost inaccessible to ideas capable of ennobling
action") was to the Bolshevik overthrow of the democratic Kerensky
government. Conditions in pre-Hitler Germany are indicative of the dangers
implicit in the development of the Western part of the world since, with
the end of the second World War, the same dramatic event of a breakdown
of the class system repeated itself in almost all European countries, while
events in Russia clearly indicate the direction which the inevitable revolutionary
changes in Asia may take. Practically speaking, it will make little
difference whether totalitarian movements adopt the pattern of Nazism or
Bolshevism, organize the masses in the name of race or class, pretend
to follow the laws of life and nature or of dialectics and economics.
p.311-2
 
venusian said:
I've been digging through Hannah Arendt's 'The Origins of Totalitarianism' recently and I think what we are seeing in the rise of the Tea Party may be quite similar to what she describes as a precursor to the rise of a totalitarian movement.

She spends quite a bit of time writing about the breakdown of the traditional organizing lines of society as based on nationality, race and class, which in turn leads to a new type of 'organizing' based on the 'mob'. I'm not entirely sure I understand this dense and difficult material as well as I might, but it does seem like the Tea Party is attempting to provoke the mob element. They have no coherent, rational party platform- rather, they are presenting a narrow, fear-based emotional appeal (on hot-button issues all over the map) which seems designed to evoke a response from those who are ignorant of the actual data about issues. That would be the majority of people, who are either ignorant or thus far politically uninvolved.

I'm curious what others think about this.

Looks like it to me. The process is always the same, as Lobaczewski describes in Ponerology and Gurdjieff describes in Beelzebub's Tales (in reference to "Boshevisms"). It's a causal process, and the whole mob thing is definitely a part of it. However, these groups DO take on a form of organization, only it's a pathological one, which Lobaczewski goes into in detail. Each pathology takes a role, and it becomes a caricature of normal human organizations and the roles of which they're composed.
 
anart said:
They ARE the new Nazi Party - and this is not a figurative statement.
I 100% agree!! there is a documentary named the history of the Nazis I viewed recently and when they talked about the start of the Nazi party, it reminded me of the tea party RIGHT NOW!, what we are witnessing now is the introduction to them "removing their mask".
 
Good grief. Olbermann is a paid talking head with a very narrow world view and exceptionally biased perspective. Or maybe that's just his media 'persona'. His prejudiced viewpoints spread via a powerful media entity are essentially propoganda. He also is prone to fits of hysteria that seems to be contagious to anyone watching.

The average American is fighting to have a voice that can be heard despite the powerful media and governmental entities that act as a barrier. The Tea Party is not a political party. It is the voice of americans expressing frustration with the corruption of our government and its obscene abuse of power. These are people willing to look beyond the shallow political party designation and address problems across the entire spectrum of government.

The federal government has grown beyond its constitutional mandate. Time to clean house. Time to clean out Congress and career politicians. It's time for Americans to take responsibilty for their own life circumstances and stop using government as a force to bully other Americans. It's time to push back against the divisive language used by the federal government and unite as ordinary Americans who prefer freedom to Big Brother.

It's time to stop being led by the nose by the media/corporate propaganda machine and find out for yourself what the Tea Party is about. I support them. I support eliminating the DOE. I support eliminating Social Security. I support eliminating the Federal Reserve. I suppport repealing the 17th ammendment. The senators were supposed to be representatives for the states. The House represents the people. The states are supposed to be sovereign. There is no one to look out for the interests of the state and its sovereignity without the state legislatures being able to appoint senator. Currently, senators elected by the people lookout only for themselves and consider their job to bring home pork from the federal government, attached with federal regulations (ie drinking age). This leads to a dysfunctional government. I support the return to pre-civil war government. We are not children. We are not helpless. We are not victims. If problems occur, we help eachother. We do not need to suck from the government teet to survive.

The federal government is the problem here. Freedom is the solution. Government is the cause of all societal ills. They foment discontent, division and manipulate via propoganda. Listen to the people, not the politicians or talking heads. The people are frustrated as they realize they are not being represented. Government is out of control, pursuing its own agenda regardless of the welfare of the people or the concerns of the people.

It's almost time to vote.
 
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