The 9/11 Hoax & The Changing Tide Of History

[Mark]

Michael Mandeville posted a draft copy of his book, "The 9/11 Hoax & The Changing Tide Of History" for review where he states that it's "NOT FOR RELEASE TO ANY MEDIA. This is a pre-publication version for soliciting review comments and discussing editorial issues, please do not disseminate."

I haven't read yet but I thought I'd post a link here for those who want to take a look

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/ebook_items/911_Hoax_&_Changing_Tide_Of_History.pdf

 

[Devar]

Nice find, I started reading and couln't stop. While it is still in draft, further dissection of the arguments for any flaws need to be found.

The document touches upon Alex Jones as a key figure of the 911-truth movement, I seem to recall information here linking Alex Jones with cointelpro/disinformation.. or am I mistaken?

 

[Laura]

Yes, Mandeville is pretty dedicated. I've cited his work in Secret History of the World.

As for Jones, search the forum and you'll find a TON of stuff that pretty well indicates that the guy is either cointelpro from the beginning, or was coopted early on. My guess is that he is just a deviant and saw an opportunity to rise to the top like slime does at which point, he could "make a deal."

Lobaczewski discusses this type of individual:

In a pathocracy, all leadership positions, (down to village headman and community cooperative managers, not to mention the directors of police units, and special services police personnel, and activists in the pathocratic party) must be filled by individuals with corresponding psychological deviations, which are inherited as a rule. However, such people constitute a very small percentage of the population and this makes them more valuable to the pathocrats. Their intellectual level or professional skills cannot be taken into account, since people representing superior abilities are even harder to find. After such a system has lasted several years, one hundred percent of all the cases of essential psychopathy are involved in pathocratic activity; they are considered the most loyal, even though some of them were formerly involved on the other side in some way.

 

[Devar]

Thanks Laura. And now I read the first editorial in the latest SOTT [Mon, 31 Jul 2006]!

I have to wonder: why did Mandeville cite Alex Jones .. surely he is aware of cointelpro or cointelpro agents?

Has anyone else yet had the chance to read the draft, and, what do you think of it or the conclusions discussed?

 

[highmystica]

hey devar, just my thought - perhaps Madeville wasn't aware of the possibility of jones being cointlepro, for it is one thing to know of a thing and quite another to actually see it. My personal take is that alex jones isn't even cointelpro - he just wishes he was - which is in a way worse, of course I could be wrong though - but ... if you were one of the alphabet soup guys would you hire jones? But in Mandeville's defence like I said it is one thing to know that there are cointelpro angents out there and quite another to catch them in action ...

 

[highmystica]

oh god I just defended someone else's stance regarding jones ... let me wake up an not remember - seriously though, politians and pathocrats succeed because they can fool us - I don't think jones really fooled anyone to the depth of their souls - there was something "off" about jones from the beginning.

 

[Laura]

Received the following from a reader. Another innocent dupe taken in by Jones and the OP.

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Subject: [earthchange-bulletins] Jones Is WYSIWYG
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BULLETIN ITEM: Jones Is WYSIWYG

MWM: Thanks for your comments below on Jones. I agree. Totally. I spent
the weekend in relatively close quarters with him, his crew, and dozens
of other real 911 witnesses who have real goods which damn the
government. My reading of all of it is that What You See Is What You
Get. Jones is probably pretty much too much to take if you are agnostic
on the subject of 911. He is pushing very hard, he is very brash, he is
very accusatory, but that is exactly what is needed in the movement. The
real convincers are softspoken matter of fact scientist, Stephen Jones
who has reverse engineered how the main action was done, and a front line
witness, the janitor at 911. The janitor experienced it all and is more
credible than the entire 911 Commission. He experienced the realization
that the fires were going out and then the consciously implemented
betrayal of the 300+ firemen by the demo people. He heard and felt it all
blow, boom booom boom, killing all those still inside. He should have
died. He thought he

If Laura and her Cassiopian alter-ego continues with this "co-intel"
line, you can pretty much conclude they have a lot of sand in their eyes
from their long slumber. Incidentally, the "co-intel" charge is a
particularly visious smear. Whenever I hear it, my immediate reaction is
hostility to the person making the charge. You can make it up about
anybody, sound so "cool" and "hip" in your knowledge, make it stick
withiout knowing anything at all about the person, and thus invent a
false reality which can never be tested, verified, nor proven nor
disproven. Have you noticed how many people are walking around with
false realities, illusions, which never can meet the light of day? THEY
are the problem, as in the tragedy of the Middle East. THEY are the
unreasoning unreasonable sleep-walking to nowhere, occassionally emitting
cheap tricks of character assasination.

From: "Caradoc"
Subject: Re: [earthchange-bulletins] Re: New book and Alex Jones
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:28:03 -0500

Michael,

I have lived in Austin most of my adult life and Alex Jones has been a
fixture on public access television for as long as I remember, long
before he started his radio program. There is no chance that anyone would
labor so long in such obscurity to establish himself a cover for a
conspiracy. Some may not agree with him or care for his personality, but
he is exactly what he appears to be. Of this I have no doubt.

Cheers,
Charles Watkins

 

[Devar]

He thought he

Sorry, the mail seems to cut off there.

If Laura and her Cassiopian alter-ego continues with this "co-intel" line, you can pretty much conclude they have a lot of sand in their eyes from their long slumber. Incidentally, the "co-intel" charge is a particularly visious smear. Whenever I hear it, my immediate reaction is hostility to the person making the charge.

Well from what I've read, Laura (and others here) wouldn't publish that without the evidence that suggests it.
An immediate reaction? Does that make him somewhat of a reaction machine?

You can make it up about anybody, sound so "cool" and "hip" in your knowledge, make it stick withiout knowing anything at all about the person, and thus invent a false reality which can never be tested, verified, nor proven nor disproven.

Of course you can. But, if you have real evidence...

For anyone looking, here's a search for Alex Jones Topics on SOTTf. Plenty of discussion.

 

[Mr. Premise]

There is no chance that anyone would
labor so long in such obscurity to establish himself a cover for a
conspiracy. Some may not agree with him or care for his personality, but
he is exactly what he appears to be. Of this I have no doubt.

Cheers,
Charles Watkins

That's silly. That's exactly how you do establish a cover for a conspiracy, by laboring long in "obscurity."

 

[Mark]

He thought he

Sorry, the mail seems to cut off there.

It's a typo by the author of the message (Mandeville) -- e.g. it's not a cut and paste error in posting the message here to the forum.

 

[paulnotbilly]

I have to wonder: why did Mandeville cite Alex Jones .. surely he is aware of cointelpro or cointelpro agents?

Has anyone else yet had the chance to read the draft, and, what do you think of it or the conclusions discussed?

He also mentions (briefly) Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani. I think because jarhead is a big fixture in the 9-11 debates, he has some use in that he is trying to expose the 9-11 hoax, albeit not to the same extent/way as everybody else. The mentions do promote him as a 'big shot' although obviously the article isn't finalised.

It seems to blow a lot of holes in the 'official' stories of several events. You have to remember the media will try to ignore it and explain it away whilst it can. Their only problem is you can only ignore the elephant in the living room for so long. (Mainly because it keeps hijacking the 'cable' to watch discovery animal world).

 

[Rabelais]

Re: The 9/11 Hoax & The Changing Tide Of History

Received the following from a reader. Another innocent dupe taken in by Jones and the OP.

Although this thread is almost 4 years old, I came across some very questionable and recent Mandeville material today. So, I did a forum search to see what might be here on this subject and here I am.

In light of recent events I found this interesting. It is at Mandeville's site. Here is the caption to the picture below:

This pix on the left was taken April 2005 by Alice Galassi in Padua, Italy at the Italian offices of Nexus Magazine, an highly-regarded source of speculative articles at the leading edge of many paradigm shifts.