The Armenian Holocaust and the semitic connection.

[Anders]

Following on from the thread on the holocaust http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1072 in which I wrote

One such example was the Armenian genocide, which was a template for the Nazis. The following website has a little on this: http://www.armenianholocaust.com/
From this link one learns:

One can summarise the genocide of the Armenian nation by giving the figure of 300,000 dead during the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamid and 1,500,000 killed during World War I (encyclopedia LAROUSSE). Countless others were crippled or listed as missing. The Turkish State used every criminal method in order to complete this genocide including: oppression, hunger, thirst, walking without stop, murder, rape, fire, cold, heat and the sword. Everything that could exterminate this innocent people whose only crime was their Armenian Nationality, was used by the Ottoman Turks. We are not referring to those Armenians who were killed fighting the Turks in the battle-fields during their revolution, but to the non-combatents, such as women, children, the sick and the old who perished during this period.

Unfortunately, these Turkish crimes have remained unpunished. An International Court has not condemned the holocaust of an entire nation to this date, and this impunity has permitted the Turks to repeat similar crimes against the Greek inhabitants of Asia Minor, the Syrian orthodox people and more recently, against the Cypriota and the Kurds.

The impunity of the assassins of the Armenian people became the inspiration to the Nazis in using similar methods of genocide against the Jews, the Poles, the Russians and the other nationalities.

"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" said Hitler to justify these latter crimes.

During the 90'es the Armenian holocaust almost got recognised for what it was by the United Nations, but some quick footwork from the Israeli Government put that to rest. Robert Fisk describes a little in this article: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/cragsite/2001PressReportArticles/Article2.htm
Another link http://www.middleeast.org/read.cgi?category=Magazine&num=170&standalone=&month=4&year=2001&function=text
has the following to say

One of Israel's leading scholars of the Jewish Holocaust has angrily compared the country's Nobel prize-winning Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, to a holocaust denier after an interview in which Mr Peres made the astonishing claim that the Armenians - 1.5 million of whom were slaughtered by Ottoman Turks in 1915 - never experienced a genocide.

Mr Peres' statement appeared in the Turkish Daily News prior to a recent state visit to Turkey; the paper says he went so far as to refer to the Armenian account of the mass slaughter as "meaningless".

After reading the Mongol Series and Laura’s latest book “9-11, The ultimate Truth”, I felt to check out if the Armanian people have a semitic connection.
I found this in http://www.armenianheritage.com/peorigin.htm

As with many ancient peoples, the origin of the Armenians contains elements of myth and unresolved scholarly arguments. Many historians give a rather over-simplified account of the origin of the Armenian people. According to the Greek Historian, Herodotus, the Armenians had originally lived in Thrace from where they crossed to Phrygia in Asia Minor and had then gradually moved west of the Euphrates River to what became Armenia. The Historian states that Armenians came from two directions, one group from the west, or Phrygia, and the other from the Southeast, or the Mesopotamian and Zagros region. In other words, according to the ancient Greeks, the Armenians were not the original inhabitants of the region.
Other Historians indicate that from the ninth to the sixth centuries B.C., a large part of historical Armenia, called Ararat by its contemporary neighbors, comprised the Kingdom of Urartu. This Kingdom disintegrated during the middle of the sixth century whereupon the native tribes, including the Armen and the Nayiri groups were unified and became part of the dominant Hayassa group.
Their Indo-European language was imposed on the conquered Urartuans, who spoke a non-Aryan language. Thus did the Armenian Nation take form, its people being the political, ethnic, and cultural successors to the Hurrians, pre-Hittites, Hayassas, Nayiris and Urartuans. This newly formed nation was called "Hai" after the name of the Hayassa tribal federation and the country "Hayastan". The neighboring peoples called the Armenians "Armen" and their country "Armenia" after the Armens.
The Armenian version of the origins of the Armenian people, which was written between the fifth and eight centuries A.D., describes the Armenian people as being descendants of Japeth, a son of Noah. After the Ark had landed on Mt. Ararat, Noah’s family settled first in Armenia and generations later moved south to the land of Babylon. The leader of the Armenians, Haik, a descendant of Japeth, unhappy with the tyranny and evil in Babylon, rebelled and decided to return to the land of the Ark.

Looking at the graph from Michael Hammer on genetic relationships found here http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/article-lkj-04-03-06-b.htm (on page 369 of “9-11, The ultimate Truth”), the Armanian people are unfortunately not represented as that would have cleared up the question that I have about the Armenian people and their possible semitic heritage.
The Armenian Holocaust, the allowing of it by the European countries at the time and the continual denial of the extent of the atrocity would make sense in light of what Laura has written on the subject. The following from p. 486 of “9-11, The ultimate Truth”

In other words, humanity is being set up to be batteries to fuel an “event” that the STS forces hope will result in their aims of being masters of the planet in 4th Density. And this also necessitates the destruction of the Jews whose genetics both inhibit Nephilim absorption, but who also have potential abilities that might manifest upon a change in general frequency of the planet to the detriment of the STS controllers.

Groups of people represent energy portals in cosmic rather than global terms. Light warriors are “connectors” on a cosmic level.
Transducers of energy of transition of your sector of space/time rather like capacitors!
Now, all of you have value far beyond your understanding to this point. It would be wise to remember this and be cautious. Go from this point with joy in this knowledge and …defend it.

 

[baklavatsky]

The ADL refuses to recognise the armenian genocide. They don't want to because further research would lead to the discovery that sionists were behind and amongst the "young Turks" who committed this armenian genocide, which, as we know, lead to the First World War.

Armenians in Massachussetts town slam
ADL over alleged genocide denials
Armenians are marched to a nearby prison in Mezireh by armed Turkish soldiers in Kharpert, Armenia, part of the Ottoman Empire, in April 1915.
By Ben Harris 08/07/2007
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070807armenianwatertown.html

Will 'No Place for Hate' debate spread?
By Jillian Fennimore, Staff Writer
Thu Aug 16, 2007
http://www.townonline.com/watertown/homepage/x676312106

Armenians in Mass. town slam ADL over alleged genocide denials
By Ben Harris
NEW YORK (JTA)—A small, local protest against an Anti-Defamation League program in the Boston suburbs is shining a spotlight on the American Jewish community's refusal to get behind a congressional bill acknowledging the Armenian genocide.
http://www.jewishreview.org/Archives/Article.php?Article=2007-08-01-3569

2 members of regional ADL board quit
Firing of local director brings protest, debate
By Keith O'Brien and Matt Viser, Globe Staff | August 19, 2007
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/08/19/2_members_of_regional_adl_board_quit/?p1=email_to_a_friend

ADL faces outrage in Boston over firing, Armenian position
By Ben Harris 08/20/2007
NEW YORK (JTA) -- A fierce feud has erupted between the Anti-Defamation League and Boston-area donors over the organization's firing of its regional director and refusal to call the World War I massacres of Armenians a genocide.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070820tarsyadlarmenian.html

Genocide Recognition
WATERTOWN VOTES TO SEVER TIES WITH ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE CITING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DENIAL
http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2007081601

Pressure mounting on ADL program
Armenian groups expand initiative
By Keith O'Brien, Globe Staff, August 16, 2007
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/08/16/pressure_mounting_on_adl_program

 

[mkrnhr]

I am not sure about but in discussing with an armenian friend she told me that they consider themselfs as being indoeuropeans from the east, maybe a clue for being "true semites" in the sens of akkadians or summerians? I remember also reading somethig few years about khazar descents being at the turkish governing elite for a long time but I have no longer the references. Maybe a working hypothesis for later investigations?

 

[baklavatsky]

surprise!

ADL says Turkish massacre of Armenians was a 'genocide'
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/895920.html

21/08/2007
ADL says Turkish massacre of Armenians was a 'genocide'
By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent

Following a barrage of criticism from Jewish supporters, opponents and from Armenian-Americans, Anti-Defamation League Chairman Abe Foxman revised his organizations' stance Tuesday, stating that the 1915-1918 Turkish massacre of Armenians was in fact a 'genocide'.

In a statement released Tuesday, the ADL said that they "have come to share the view of Henry Morgenthau, Sr. that the consequences of those actions were indeed tantamount to genocide."

For Rosner's full blog, ADL, the incidental victim, click here
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Over the past two weeks, the ADL has faced a tremendous amount of pressure over the issue. Two weeks ago the town of Watertown, a suburb of Boston with a large Armenian community, decided to cut its ties with the ADL sponsored "No Place for Hate" program, after they discovered that the ADL was not planning to support a bill that would force the American government to accept that the massacre was in fact a genocidal act.

The ADL itself was split over the issue; it fired New England regional director Andrew Tarsy for telling The Boston Globe he agreed the killings were genocide and that he "strongly disagrees with the ADL's national position." Foxman had explained that he did not support the bill in fear that it would hurt both the U.S. and Israel's relations with Turkey while putting the Jewish community in Turkey in danger.

In a statement Tuesday, Foxman said he consulted with historians and his
friend and Holocaust survivor Elie Weisel after the controversy began, and became convinced genocide had occurred.

 

[Joe]

Maybe the good people of Watertown had something do with this decision.

http://wms6.streamhoster.com/hairenik/WatertownTownHallMeeting.wmv

The problem with 'ol Abe backing down is that there will be less chance of the ADL and Zionists being exposed for who and what they are. Likewise, will anyone now ever get to the real meat of the Armenian genocide matter?

http://www.jewishracism.com/JewishGenocide.htm

Reed's Controversy of Zion explains it all.

http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/index.htm

Anyone who has not read this book, really, really needs to. You will not regret it and you will be amazed and horrified.

Joe

 

[SeekinTruth]

As far as I know, Armenians are a mix of Indo-European and Semitic tribes (including Urartuans). I read a book in the early to mid 90’s that mentioned Semitic mix in the background of Armenians; I believe the Title of the book was "The Right to Struggle" and the author, Monte Melkonian, was a volunteer Commander from Fresno in the Negorno-Kharbakh conflict between Armenians and Azeries who was killed in an ambush around 1995.

However, Armenians and their language are usually categorized only as Indo-European.

There were a series of massacres in Ottoman Turkey in the 1890’s - particularly 1894, 1895, 1896 - resulting in a few hundred thousand deaths during the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamid. From 1915 to around 1920, it is estimated that 1.5 million were killed in the genocide (mostly in 1915-16). Members from both sides of my family perished during this time. My father’s six uncles were killed. Two siblings of my paternal grandfather were kidnapped and sold to Kurds. My grandfather and his family searched for them for a couple of years to no avail. A few years after 1915, there was a severe famine and the Kurdish family who had been raising them brought them back and sold them to the family.

Both sides of my family were originally from Ottoman Turkish occupied Armenia. After the genocide, my paternal grandfather, after working in cigarette contraband as a teenager hiding out to support his family, and many wild adventures, went to Syria and wrote to his family that he is going to settle in Egypt - to sell what they can and meet him.

Both sides of my parents’ families emigrated to Egypt. My father was born in Cairo and my mother in Alexandria. They describe life in Egypt as paradise. The hospitality and generosity of the Egyptian Arabs are legend in my house. The Armenians established a pretty large community and experienced not a shred of discrimination, but on the contrary, were given every opportunity to thrive and prosper. They had all manner of social, political, and religious freedom, and organizations, including several Armenian school systems.

Both sides of the family owned successful private business. They describe the climate, food, general atmosphere - cosmopolitan/Mediterranean resort - in terms that seem dreamlike to me. Then after the war in 1956 started by Britain, France, and Israel against Egypt, there began some political problems: a struggle to free Egypt from foreign domination driven by Nasser. In 1964, shortly after marrying, my parents moved to Soviet Armenia where I was born couple of years later (my grandparents had died in pretty close succession - only my grandmother on my mother’s side was still alive and remained in Egypt).

I really would have liked to have met my grandfathers; they sound like very interesting people I could have learned a lot from.