The Arrivals

[un chien anadolu]

I agree that there are puppets but this what you wrote is generalization.

No, I am looking at the result and saying what i see and live for years. Of course may be i am being subjective but when i try to see the opposite i can hardly name any leaders in muslim countries that they are not puppets. You know, some puppets know that they are puppets and some does not.

You are assuming that almost all leaders and elite are psychopats, and assumptions always get you! It isn't so simple, it's easy to say that they are all psychopaths but there are surley some of them that aren't, some of them have soul but they like other crew!

No, i said "most" of them. I don't know whether they have souls or they have not. For an example Turkish prime minister (he is a fundamentalist though Turkey is a secular country) kept saying "I am the co-president of the big middleeast project" And if in 2003 the parliament wouldn't vote against his governments will Turkish army would be the second biggest power (after USA army) in Iraq invasion.
Saddam killed thousands of Kurds in 80's with chemical weapons (in your opinion he may be a manipulated, blackmailed victim). That Ahmedinejad or Kaddafi (well this one not anymore i guess :) ) playing good cowboys against bad cowboys doesn't make them non-psychopats IMO, knowing that what kind of brutality and dictatorship they are using against their own people. I don't even mention many other countries in Arabian Peninsula which are ruled under dictatorship of a few noble families. Most of them close their eyes and even worst give support to the massacres in Iraq and Palestine (for their own benefit and continuity of their tyranny)

 

[anart]

I agree that there are puppets but this what you wrote is generalization.

No, I am looking at the result and saying what i see and live for years. Of course may be i am being subjective but when i try to see the opposite i can hardly name any leaders in muslim countries that they are not puppets. You know, some puppets know that they are puppets and some does not.

I think this pretty much sums it up.

When it comes down to it, at this point in human history on the planet Earth - if all major societal leaders are not psychopaths, they are at least pathological or behave so.

To think otherwise is to not understand Ponerization or to not be paying attention to reality left and right. In other words, it's not a generalization, if it's true.

You are assuming that almost all leaders and elite are psychopats, and assumptions always get you! It isn't so simple, it's easy to say that they are all psychopaths but there are surley some of them that aren't, some of them have soul but they like other crew!

dannybananny, can you list a global leader who does not behave - through actions, legislation, words, lack of action - like a psychopath?

Pathological behavior with power gives the same result as a psychopath with power - the planet wouldn't be where it is today if leaders weren't pathological. Those who aren't are quickly removed.

Muslims have more discipline and this is because their harsh education and because of that they practice almost every aspect of their religion, and many Christians don't even do basic things they religion teaches them, I'am talking from my experience because I live in country that is 94 per cent Catholic.

You appear to be evidencing some identification here. If you are honestly arguing that one monotheistic religion is better - in any way - than another, then - you might want to take a few steps back and take another look.

 

[dannybananny]

When it comes down to it, at this point in human history on the planet Earth - if all major societal leaders are not psychopaths, they are at least pathological or behave so.

I agree with what you wrote but pathalogical doesn't mean he is a psychopath, they could be but they don't have to be, this was my point.

dannybananny, can you list a global leader who does not behave - through actions, legislation, words, lack of action - like a psychopath?

If he does behave like psychopat it doesn't make him one, he could be sociopath or caracteropath like Stalin. Lobaczewski mentioned very numerous cases of mind distortions, but yes, they all behave similar. I think it's better to use word pathological because you can't know if someone is truly a psycho if you don't scan and examine his emotional part of brain that they don't have.

Pathological behavior with power gives the same result as a psychopath with power - the planet wouldn't be where it is today if leaders weren't pathological. Those who aren't are quickly removed.

I agree.

You appear to be evidencing some identification here. If you are honestly arguing that one monotheistic religion is better - in any way - than another, then - you might want to take a few steps back and take another look.

You got me wrong here, in previous post I said that they are all the same and that I don't defend them, they are all negative, I don't know how to use proper words to describe what I think. It wasn't about religion it was more about mentallity of people. This is problem with forums, you can't know what I'am thinking. ;)