The Authoritarian Test
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Psalehesost
The Living Force
Guardian said:
I think the point (and the reason it was written 'truth' rather than truth) was that it reminded her of the way in which many people believe that they create their "own reality", their "own truth", and so on.
This being (as Laura noted) pathological; originally rooted in the mindframe of psychopaths, who by their nature think in that way - that they literally decide the truth. Something which we all very much disagree with.
Guardian said:
To hopefully make it clear, the reason here for disagreeing with "Everyone should have their own lifestyle, religious beliefs, and sexual preferences, even if it makes them different from everyone else.", is, in short, that many of these differences (with exceptions including sexual preferences) are based on which lies (and the occasional truth) people believe in, whereas if they all based their understanding on objective truth, it would be similar and they'd go in a much more similar direction. In short, the mindset of the statement encourages subjectivity and acceptance of lies, which in turn leads to decay.
cubbex
The Living Force
Guardian said:
I agree, truth is truth but I think what Oxajil was talking about was for example those who believe that the comet elenin is this, others that is something really different, instead of search and discover what it is leaving aside their wishful thinking. I adress to the thread about Opinions from Laura.
Re: The Authoritarian Test
Hi Guardian, I think you're viewing it a bit narrowly. I tried to look at it keeping in mind what I know about the reality we live in, including my own experience of interacting with different kind of people. For years I had been interacting on other forums and been discussing (debating would be the right word) world subjects there. I stopped, because I noticed the conversation always ended with 'you have your truth and I got my own, peace out'. There was no effort in finding out THE truth. People are being influenced from every angle possible, disinformation on diet, disinformation on the TV, disinformation on what is right and what is wrong, disinformation on science and research, this all has influenced the lifestyle of the average man.
All that is around us, is lies, not the truth. Lifestyle, what is good/bad sexually (some people, including psychologists, actually have started to sympathize with pedophiles these days), and just what is good/bad generally on a personal level. There is absolutely no stimulation for spiritual growth.
So if everyone would pick their own lifestyle in this very toxic world, it's basically a lifestyle that is not consciously chosen for. The psychopaths have put their sick ideas in our world and it's influencing us big time, including our personal choices. There is no room for true bonding and connecting on an intellectual or emotional level, if everyone chooses what they feel comfortable with as 'truth' (presented by the psycho's) in this world and act and behave on that.
Just my thoughts on this subject. Hope this helps.
Hi Guardian, I think you're viewing it a bit narrowly. I tried to look at it keeping in mind what I know about the reality we live in, including my own experience of interacting with different kind of people. For years I had been interacting on other forums and been discussing (debating would be the right word) world subjects there. I stopped, because I noticed the conversation always ended with 'you have your truth and I got my own, peace out'. There was no effort in finding out THE truth. People are being influenced from every angle possible, disinformation on diet, disinformation on the TV, disinformation on what is right and what is wrong, disinformation on science and research, this all has influenced the lifestyle of the average man.
All that is around us, is lies, not the truth. Lifestyle, what is good/bad sexually (some people, including psychologists, actually have started to sympathize with pedophiles these days), and just what is good/bad generally on a personal level. There is absolutely no stimulation for spiritual growth.
So if everyone would pick their own lifestyle in this very toxic world, it's basically a lifestyle that is not consciously chosen for. The psychopaths have put their sick ideas in our world and it's influencing us big time, including our personal choices. There is no room for true bonding and connecting on an intellectual or emotional level, if everyone chooses what they feel comfortable with as 'truth' (presented by the psycho's) in this world and act and behave on that.
Just my thoughts on this subject. Hope this helps.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Adaryn said:
Then it's up to ME (not the "authorities") to figure out the truth if possible....and also to realize that it might not be possible to ascertain the truth of something that happened thousands of years ago. I can make "educated guesses" but I can't KNOW the truth, 'cause I don't remember being there, and the people who originally wrote about it lied.
Nawd
Dagobah Resident
Ok after adding this up again using the scoring that I hadn't read about after the test I've climbed from being a 21 all the way up to 76!! Holy cow!
I would suggest that anyone getting such a low score, it's because the negative numbers barely add up. When you use the other scoring, all of those negative responces have a above zero value.
Hope that helps the few of us who had really low scores.
I would suggest that anyone getting such a low score, it's because the negative numbers barely add up. When you use the other scoring, all of those negative responces have a above zero value.
Hope that helps the few of us who had really low scores.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Re: The Authoritarian Test
Yeah, I do tend to do that. To me, if something is the truth, I can PROVE it's the truth...or if something is a lie, I can prove it's a lie. If I can't find proof that something is either a lie, or the truth...then I just don't know for sure positive.
Oxajil said:
Yeah, I do tend to do that. To me, if something is the truth, I can PROVE it's the truth...or if something is a lie, I can prove it's a lie. If I can't find proof that something is either a lie, or the truth...then I just don't know for sure positive.
Adaryn
The Living Force
Guardian said:
My point is not that you need some authority to tell you what the truth is. I personally have a slight problem with the SHOULD (live their own lifestyle, have their own belief, etc). People have free will, right, and I'm not talking about imposing anything; however, in the context of a group of people striving towards objective knowledge and who arrive to a common understanding of reality, then they naturally tend towards a common lifestyle / beliefs, whatever, based on that understanding. With, of course, some variety (excluding pathological deviances as far as sexuality is concerned). And they arrive there naturally, not through something imposed externally by some superior authority.
Nawd
Dagobah Resident
Re: The Authoritarian Test
I agree and I do the same thing.
Sometimes it comes right back to the lesson of external consideration in that others simply do not do research at all. Or it's very very limited research. The Christian neighbors for example, can 'prove their points' by opening their bibles. They do not know the histories behind what they are reading. They just know 100% that the earth is around 6,000 years old and they base their lives and souls on it.
There is no way I would tell them they are incorrect, but I am interested in their thoughts and they are still a kind family. Just a limited people and that is their path I suppose. If they ask me questions however, I would tell them my thoughts within a reasonable 'level'. The only question they had for me so far is if I'm Christain. My response has been 'no I'm still figuring things out' and that is a truth for myself.
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Guardian said:
I agree and I do the same thing.
Sometimes it comes right back to the lesson of external consideration in that others simply do not do research at all. Or it's very very limited research. The Christian neighbors for example, can 'prove their points' by opening their bibles. They do not know the histories behind what they are reading. They just know 100% that the earth is around 6,000 years old and they base their lives and souls on it.
There is no way I would tell them they are incorrect, but I am interested in their thoughts and they are still a kind family. Just a limited people and that is their path I suppose. If they ask me questions however, I would tell them my thoughts within a reasonable 'level'. The only question they had for me so far is if I'm Christain. My response has been 'no I'm still figuring things out' and that is a truth for myself.
edited for proper quote box orientation.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Brunauld said:
Good example! A while ago Ark posted the numbers (proof) showing that Elenin is moving just like an ordinary comet. Now if Elenin came to a sudden stop, took a hard left and decided to go take a spin around Titan before heading our way again, I would change my belief that it's an ordinary comet ..and I suspect Ark and Laura would too?
I got 26.
The whole "traditional values" thing got me, as I interpreted it as being what Joe Matrix (love that!) would think, which is biblical. Yuck. Then as mentioned, what strong leader? Since there's no one around like JFK (well, Chavez maybe, in a limited way?), the pick of strong, decent leaders is non-existent. So I chose against those statements too.
The whole "traditional values" thing got me, as I interpreted it as being what Joe Matrix (love that!) would think, which is biblical. Yuck. Then as mentioned, what strong leader? Since there's no one around like JFK (well, Chavez maybe, in a limited way?), the pick of strong, decent leaders is non-existent. So I chose against those statements too.
Re: The Authoritarian Test
Yes, this has been my own experience . When I have spoken to some of my Christian friends/associates, some of whom are fundamentalists, then when they are questioned about certain things, especially when questioned about the hypocrisy of what their Christianity says and then what many Christian fundamentalists say and then do or allow to be done which is just the opposite, especially in the government, then for a moment there's no comment. They don't 'weigh' what I just said and ponder over it but instead they seamlessly and with the greatest of ease switch to this program where now it's series Bible rant time, saying scripture like a mantra that's totally out of context with what we were just discussing.
This doesn't mean that they are bad people, they could very well live by traditional family values such as helping others, appreciating the value of family and good relationships, and so on but only up to a point. When questioned about the total horror their "Christian brothers" are doing with mind numbing violence in other parts of the world and are doing, and will be doing with even more of a vengeance within our own country, then suddenly its serious bible rant time to justify these hypocritical actions with their "interpretations" that serve them so well and which buffers them from feelings of conscience which would wake them up to the hypocrisy and horror of it all.
The larger context eludes them, the larger sphere of humanity is simply not part of their world. No more thinking and deeper consideration of the issue is needed. They don't want to see it since they benefit (or think they do) from those pathological influences that filters down from the authoritative mob gang in the government and from the greater hierarchical power structures such as the corporations. They might even agree that there are psychopaths running the show at the top just so long as it's "their psychopaths," and just so long as it benefits them and gets them what they want.
Added: I recently took the test after reading much of this thread and scored a 65.
Dawn said:
Yes, this has been my own experience . When I have spoken to some of my Christian friends/associates, some of whom are fundamentalists, then when they are questioned about certain things, especially when questioned about the hypocrisy of what their Christianity says and then what many Christian fundamentalists say and then do or allow to be done which is just the opposite, especially in the government, then for a moment there's no comment. They don't 'weigh' what I just said and ponder over it but instead they seamlessly and with the greatest of ease switch to this program where now it's series Bible rant time, saying scripture like a mantra that's totally out of context with what we were just discussing.
This doesn't mean that they are bad people, they could very well live by traditional family values such as helping others, appreciating the value of family and good relationships, and so on but only up to a point. When questioned about the total horror their "Christian brothers" are doing with mind numbing violence in other parts of the world and are doing, and will be doing with even more of a vengeance within our own country, then suddenly its serious bible rant time to justify these hypocritical actions with their "interpretations" that serve them so well and which buffers them from feelings of conscience which would wake them up to the hypocrisy and horror of it all.
The larger context eludes them, the larger sphere of humanity is simply not part of their world. No more thinking and deeper consideration of the issue is needed. They don't want to see it since they benefit (or think they do) from those pathological influences that filters down from the authoritative mob gang in the government and from the greater hierarchical power structures such as the corporations. They might even agree that there are psychopaths running the show at the top just so long as it's "their psychopaths," and just so long as it benefits them and gets them what they want.
Added: I recently took the test after reading much of this thread and scored a 65.
Graalsword
Jedi Council Member
I got 50. Well, there are a few questions that are a bit tricky, you know, "traditional values", "perversions of today" or so, can be interpreted from an objective point of view or from the point of view of religious conservative people. So in some cases I used a moderate response as there is a duality in the question.
That's precisely what I think. It could be a strong benevolent leader or a psychopathic one.
herondancer said:
That's precisely what I think. It could be a strong benevolent leader or a psychopathic one.
