The Black Sun - The Alchemy and Art of Darkness ( Sol Niger )

anart said:
EmeraldHope said:
Mr. Premise said:
EmeraldHope, I think that black holes are 3d density so they would be the representation of pure STS in 3d. As for your other point, the IDEA of non- being exists on 6d for balance. But as far as conscious STS beings they can't exist in6D because of contraction and wishful thinking. I think some of your confusion come from trying to fit in the concept of physicality. The densities 5 and above are non-physical, if I remember right.

Laura said we can determine 4d by weather.

That's not quite correct. You seem to be twisting things just a bit in order to make them fit your own understanding. What was said is that the battles on higher densities are manifested as weather here on 3D planet earth at this point in time. It doesn't not mean that we can see 4D or even determine what 4D is or is doing by weather. I really think it's important for you to try to grasp the concept that we cannot discern higher densities from where we are and any attempt to bring them down to our level in some definitive concrete way - from where we are right now - is folly. You also seem to have almost a singular fascination with the STS side of things, which I find interesting - or perhaps it's just how you're currently expressing your thoughts?

Thanks for the clarification, Anart. I am just trying to get an overall understanding of all the pieces I have. I do not have a fascination with STS. I have a lifelong direct experience with it, up close and personal. Prior to finding Laura's work, I had no understanding at all of how STO worked and never saw any real examples of STO. I have studied STS for as long as I can remember, although I did not know that was what I was doing. So, the majority of what I knew before I found this work, is STS related, but from a point of knowing what makes them tick, trying to understand the thought processes, etc, and trying to answer the big question of WHY they did what they did. The thought of anyone wanting to willingly hurt someone or something else was just unfathomable to me.

I have always been one to try defend those weaker than myself from predators of all kinds. I knew nothing of strategic enclosure. I have gotten myself into some pretty tough spots with some pretty bad tyrants. I have been on the receiving end of more STS violence and depravity than I care to recall.

My questions here may seem as a singular fascination, but it is only because the places where I get stuck are usually related to this in some capacity.
 
EmeraldHope said:
Thanks for the clarification, Anart. I am just trying to get an overall understanding of all the pieces I have. I do not have a fascination with STS. I have a lifelong direct experience with it, up close and personal.

We all have - and we are all STS.

eh said:
Prior to finding Laura's work, I had no understanding at all of how STO worked and never saw any real examples of STO.

I don't think anyone here has either, other than through the communication with the C's and as one sees the wind by watching tree branches move. We are in an STS realm as STS beings. What most of us here are working toward is becoming STO candidates, if possible.

eh said:
I have studied STS for as long as I can remember, although I did not know that was what I was doing. So, the majority of what I knew before I found this work, is STS related, but from a point of knowing what makes them tick, trying to understand the thought processes, etc, and trying to answer the big question of WHY they did what they did. The thought of anyone wanting to willingly hurt someone or something else was just unfathomable to me.

For someone who is not of that mindset, it is impossible to plumb the depths of that reality. I wouldn't even want to try, actually. The most one can hope for is to learn to recognize the program when you see it - to recognize the manifestations and avoid them, in others and in ones own mind.

eh said:
I have always been one to try defend those weaker than myself from predators of all kinds. I knew nothing of strategic enclosure. I have gotten myself into some pretty tough spots with some pretty bad tyrants. I have been on the receiving end of more STS violence and depravity than I care to recall.

Sounds like quite the learning opportunities, but, again, remember that you too are STS.

eh said:
My questions here may seem as a singular fascination, but it is only because the places where I get stuck are usually related to this in some capacity.

From what I've seen so far, there is a tendency in your posts to connect things literally that are not literal - and a tendency to not really question your own thinking when doing so. That's really not unusual at all, I've been there and done that, as they say, and as you continue to read the material and discussions here in more depth, I think that tendency will lessen and you'll be able to pick up on the more subtle points of distinction that really determine the devil in the details. fwiw.
 
Anart said:
From what I've seen so far, there is a tendency in your posts to connect things literally that are not literal - and a tendency to not really question your own thinking when doing so. That's really not unusual at all, I've been there and done that, as they say, and as you continue to read the material and discussions here in more depth, I think that tendency will lessen and you'll be able to pick up on the more subtle points of distinction that really determine the devil in the details. fwiw.

Thank you for bringing this up, Anart, and for the thread Emerald Hope. I've been struggling with doing this as well. Is forcing these things together just an impatience and laziness of the intellect? This is what it seems like to me, as I wasn't used to doing this until I felt the "pressure cooker" that is the terror of the situation.
 
I wrote this post yesterday before Anart's reply but could not post it. After deliberating a little, I still decided to post it though the gist of it is captured in Anart's post.

EmeraldHope said:
I do not have a fascination with STS. I have a lifelong direct experience with it, up close and personal. Prior to finding Laura's work, I had no understanding at all of how STO worked and never saw any real examples of STO. I have studied STS for as long as I can remember, although I did not know that was what I was doing. So, the majority of what I knew before I found this work, is STS related, but from a point of knowing what makes them tick, trying to understand the thought processes, etc, and trying to answer the big question of WHY they did what they did. The thought of anyone wanting to willingly hurt someone or something else was just unfathomable to me.
We are by default STS here in 3D earth.For STO candidates, the challenge is to learn to discern the choice between the two modes of STS and STO. The alchemical process perhaps describes the development of this discernment. In this context, it seems to me that nigredo or this dark night of the soul is mainly about realizing the STS nature of the self and the world around us. It is more about recognizing my illusions and the predator (STS) inside me than about gaining an intellectual understanding of what STS looks like by itself - osit.
Part of how STS works or ticks can be learnt from self-observation. It is a direct experience, in contrast to abstract images or symbols which can be interpreted in multiple ways using Jungian or maybe neo-jungian thought.
Learning about how a psychopath thinks and acts helps in developing a strategy of protection of an individual or group from pathological manipulation. But here also the value of abstract symbols seems questionable - osit.
These are my thoughts fwiw.

You mentioned Kali a couple of times in the thread. Are you referring to the neo-Jungian (I do not know if Jung himself used this image) take on the Kali archetype?

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obyvatel said:
But here also the value of abstract symbols seems questionable - osit.
You mentioned Kali a couple of times in the thread. Are you referring to the neo-Jungian (I do not know if Jung himself used this image) take on the Kali archetype?

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Obyvatal, I can finally answer this question. I by chance came across a transcript that fits this thread perfectly now, and confirms for me what I was feeling here . My brain is very right brain intuitive, so for me symbols as a focal point to learn do work very well although that may not be the case for everyone. Sadly I am far often more intuitive than exact so it takes a little while to find the knowledge to back it up and post, which often has me out of synch here in the forum. Now, to more left brained people, I know I probably sound nuts a lot of the time, lol. I said the following things:

In it's more positive aspect, it would represent the picture attached here in this post, which is the esoteric symbol for the black sun. Perhaps that represents the symbol here in 3d, where there is light available to transform the darkness, if one so chooses. That would also be an aspect of it, but at a different "level". This would not mean the same as the one above. There is light and darkness here, in a different way. The physical representation here in this case would be a solar eclipse, I think. This has more in common with Mother Night and Kali Ma.


Laura,

I have been going over this in my mind with everything you have written in this post . I think that it is Clarissa's Baba Yaga associated with this symbol/archetype more than Mother Night. That would make more sense with the Kali Ma association, as her function is the same as well.

Specifically this:
In a number of East European myths, a Baba Yaga (there are more than one) is a cannibalistic witch who lives in a hut on the edge of the forest. The hut stands on chicken legs and will only lower itself after Baba Yaga said a certain rhyme. A picket fence surrounds the hut and she places the skulls of her victims on it. For transportation Baba Yaga uses a giant mortar which she drives at high speed across the forest floor by steering the pestle with her right hand and sweeping away all traces of her passage with a broom in her left hand. A host of spirits often follows her.
Baba Yaga is often represented as a little, ugly, old woman with a huge and distorted nose and long teeth. She is also called Jezi-Baba or Baba Yaga Kostianaya Noga ("bone-legs"), referring to the fact that she is rather skinny. She is regarded as the devil's own grandmother.
In old Hungarian folklore, Baba ("old woman") was originally a good fairy but was later degraded to a witch. A Baba Yaga is a hard bargainer, and will threaten to eat those who do not fulfil their part of an agreement

This reveals the "process", so to speak.


If I am on the right track here, that would tie into the Demeter story as part of the triple goddesss, completing it with Persephone/Kore. I am guessing Hecate, in this triple. Hecate represent "crossroads".That would be the uncorrupted pagan version the gnostics built on and "twisted". OSIT It would also imply wisdom ( crone) or wisdom path.

Represents birth, death, rebirth.

Am I in the ball park here?


Now, look at this transcript and see the references to Kali Ma, the triple goddess, and Casssipaia, and how it ties into the " process" and what has been discussed here in this thread .

Q: [In terms of the Quest, the search for the Grail], what is the meaning of the Widow’s Son? The implication?
A: Stalks path of wisdom incarnate. Perceval was knighted in the court of seven.
Q: The court of seven what?
A: Swords points signify crystal transmitter of truth beholden. […]
Q: (L) In studying the myths of the Golden Age, I have found that the Seven Sages are supposed to be the original celestial powers that were the benefactors of mankind before the Fall. You once said that Perceval was “knighted in the Court of Seven” and that the swords’ points signify “crystal transmitter of truth beholden.” Do these seven sages relate to this Court of Seven that you mentioned?
A: Close.
Q: (L) When you said ‘swords points signify crystal transmitter of truth beholden,’ could you elaborate on that remark?
A: Has celestial meaning.12
Q: (L) Who was worshipped by the people who built Stonehenge?
A: Complicated. Spirit, stars, energy. […]
Q: In reading the Celtic legends, I discovered that Cassiopaea was part of a Triple Goddess construct along with Andromeda and Danae, Danu, or Don, as in Tuatha de Danaan, or the court of the goddess Danu. So, in other words, the supreme goddess of the Celts was Cassiopaea. Rhys states it explicitly. Cassiopaea is found in the zodiacal area of Aries, the lamb, where Cepheus the rock and king is also found, as well as Perseus, “he who breaks” — with one of the stars in his foot being called “breaker of rocks.” The representation is of Perseus overcoming the serpent, and the ancient Celtic engravings of the horned god show him gripping two serpents by the throat. I would like to understand the symbology here …
A: You are on the right track.
Q: What is the symbology of the breaking of rocks, as in the alchemical texts, as well as related to Perseus as he who breaks?
A: Occurs at a time when rocks break, as in the electromagnetic impulses that emanate from earthbound rocks when sheared by tectonic forces, and much more importantly, the possible utilization of said forces whether naturally or otherwise induced.
Q: I have a few questions on the subject of Cassiopaea. On several occasions you have described Cassiopaea or the Cassiopaeans, the unified thought form light beings that transmit through Cassiopaea, as being the “front line of the universe’s system of natural balance.” On another occasion you said that Isis was a “vanguard.” Now, it seems to me that something that is at the front line is also a vanguard — that the definitions are interchangeable, or similar. In reading through all the various myths and legends, it occurs to me that the similarity between the imagery of Queen Cassiopaea and Isis is quite striking. What is the relationship between Queen Cassiopaea, archetypally speaking, and Isis?
A: Subliminal. For those who “see the unseen.”
Q: The other thing I noticed about the word “Isis” is that it can be slightly altered to make “I Zeus.” And, Perseus can be “per Zeus” and Persia can be made to say “per ziu.” One of the oldest etymological roots for the word “God” is “ziu” from which we get “deu.” These all represent the English translation of “for God,” with Perceval being “per ziu val” or “strong for God.” Could you comment on these relationships?
A: Interconnected by trilingual learning curve.
Q: I also noticed that the word “Osiris” could also be slightly modified to say “of Sirius.” Comment, please.
A: Sirius was regarded highly in your “past.”
Q: What was the foundation of this regard for Sirius?
A: “From whence cometh, is seen that which knows no limitation.”
Q: Could you elaborate on that?
A: Could, but will not.
Q: Why?
A: Because you can! …
Q: In the same vein, I have noticed that there are two classes of arachnids. There are scorpions and there are spiders. The zodiac was changed by taking the pincers away from the Scorpion and creating out of them the sign of Libra. This image was one of a woman holding a balance scales, usually blindfolded. This was done within recorded history, but was probably formalized through the occult traditions of Kaballah. Now, in trying to figure out who has on what color hat, if there is such a thing, I have come to a tentative conclusion that the spider, or spinner of webs, is the Rosicrucian encampment, and that the Scorpion represents the seeker of wisdom … because, in fact, the word for Scorpio comes from the same root as that which means to pierce or unveil. Therefore, the Scorpion is also Perseus, per Ziu, or “for God.” And the Rosicrucians are the “other,” so to speak. Can you elaborate on this for me? Or comment?
A: What a tangled web we spin, when we must not let you in. …
Q: OK. Tracking the Triple Goddess back to the oldest references, we get to KaliMa. There are all kinds of derivations of this name, but the thing that strikes me is the relationship to the goddess Kell, or Kella, as well as to the word kell, Celts, and how this might be transformed into the word “Cassiopaea.” Can you comment on this?
A: Do not the Celts like “kelly” green?!?
Q: Yes. So. What does green have to do with it?
A: Keep searching … learning is accomplished thusly, and learning is fun!
Q: OK. The three aspects of the goddess: in the story of Perseus, there was Cassiopaea/Danae, Andromeda, and Medusa … the three aspects, the mother, the virgin, and the crone. But, in this story, Perseus manages to cut the head off the crone. In other stories, the crone always manages to win. Is there any particular reason why Perseus cuts off the head of Medusa? Was this transposed? Was the Medusa merely another aspect of the goddess or was it something else?
A: Serpentine.
Q: What about serpentine? Representative of the serpent race or the Lizzies?
A: Eden.
Q: Ah. Medusa represents the Fall. The new standard of limitation. The alignment with the Reptoids. […]
Q: In the oldest religions, it is the Goddess, the Mother, and the endless sea of potential of unassumed experience that was the Goddess. It was a celestial concept before it was reduced to an earth concept. There was unconditional love in the beginning. But then, the patriarchal view twisted it and it became violent and ugly and restrictive. And, from the patriarchal view came the “redeeming son” when before, it was the redemption of the Goddess’ blood. So, what I want to know is: what happened to create the patriarchal system? How was the Goddess suppressed?
A: All has been distorted and suppressed, so why not this?
Q: You once mentioned “Greek Enforcers” who wrote the New Testament. Where did these Greek Enforcers come from?
A: Order of Thelon.
Q: On another occasion you called the Nephilim ‘enforcers.’ Is there any relation between this order of Thelon and the Nephilim?
A: Maybe …
Q: Where is the headquarters of this group?
A: Sicinthos.
Q: Never heard of it. OK. Next question: the White Mare Goddess image that prefigured the Omega symbol, what is the relationship of the White Mare to the symbolism of the knight? The knight on the horse is repeatedly used in alchemical symbolism.
A: Rites.
Q: One of the rites in question is that the making of the knight involves touching both shoulders with the end of a sword, which is actually a symbolic beheading. Why is the knight symbolically beheaded?
A: Blast open limitations of encasing spirit in body.
We should notice in this last remark that the “knighting” is very probably a survival of the head of the shaman being forged on an anvil or “thinking with a hammer”.
Q: When I post material on the web site, there are many who resonate to the material. I have been of the opinion that Unified Thought Form beings such as you describe yourselves, must relate to a very large group as represented in this density. I know that we are dealing with limiting terms. But, when you say “we are you in the future,” does this apply to people who choose the Cassiopaean option?
A: Maybe it is best to say it applies to those who recognize the application.
Q: So, if they recognize it, if they know it is them, they are part of it. (A) But, thinking in nonlinear terms, its up to us to work to make this precise. You are asking this question which implies that the answer exists. But, exactly what the answer is may be it is not yet chosen, and it is up to us to make it this way.
A: Lodestar is a clue for you.
Q: I guess that means a guiding star of some sort. A lodestone is magnetic, it is where the compass points so that you can find your direction. OK, in the myth, Cassiopaea, Danae, and Athena work together to enable Perseus to cut off the head of the Gorgon and kill the sea monster and rescue Andromeda. Of all the mythical heroes, Perseus stands out because he was successful. He went on the quest, he succeeded in the mission, and he freed the maiden in distress, killed a slew of Lizzie types, balanced the situation in his environment, and then even lived happily ever after. He didn’t lose his reason, he didn’t fail … it is about the only really successful myth. He did it, and did it well.
A: A quest is successfully followed one step at a time. No need to gauge the staircase.
Q: The only point I was trying to make was that maybe the only reason for the Cassiopaean connection, maybe even for the term “Cassiopaea,” is that it is the archetype of the function …
A: That is good.
Q: In this other book here, there is a Celtic word that pops up: “pryf.” What is pryf?
A: Soul.
Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain bloodline to come along and “free the dragon spawn.” “None other than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of time.” What are they talking about here, bringing up the dragon spawn, and how does that relate to soul?
A: You cannot see?
Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?
A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.
Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get my answer from the “trees.” This book is all about “trees,” in one way or another — ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so that I would notice these things in this particular book even though it is fiction?
A: Certainly.
 

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