The code of the Psychopath according to Gurdjieff?

[anart]

I can deny that categorically, psychic_spy. Perhaps it's worth considering the idea that projecting your own emotional states onto others is of little use. I don't get 'red with rage' and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't post in such a state.

But you can, since no one sees you and is no shame to feel rage for someone who makes noice or is perceiced like that, on your effort to bring this forum at a reasonable advancement.

This is a research forum and there are times when so much time and energy has been spent determining what is true and what is not true about a specific subject that to allow the injection of pure noise into the discussion of that specific subject is a disservice not only to the forum but to those trying to learn what is, in fact, true. In other words, there is no need to allow a fool to spout nonsense just to be "polite" when we have more important things to do - the world is on fire, after all.

Speaking of noise, did you notice that the post that got you all 'worked up' is over 4 years old?

No, i missed that but it felt ''fresh'' , it had on me the vivifying effect that ''Truth'' on this forum may become to much of your truth given your colective determination then objective truth. If it was a research forum for experts it should have said so on some rules list and newcomers would have stayed away, this prevents noice from happening.
Maybe this forum has become to crowded for some and you've become too advanced to waste time on explaning the basics to each and everyone.

Nope. The moderators keep the noise down, that is one of our functions, and as long as the lighthouse burns we'll keep explaining things to people who ask. All we ask is that they put a little effort in of their own to get up to speed at least a bit on the topics at hand. If you're not happy with this forum, though, there are millions of other forums out there and I'm sure you can find one that suits you better.

 

[psychic_spy]

A few months ago i read Hare, i have Snakes in Suits, i read Cleckley, i read but i use my common sense sometimes , i like to have my individual insights, as a synthesis to what i read. You can call me ignorant, or naive but i can't devote my whole life, time and struggle to the final enlightment on this issue, that a psychopath in born like this. It's not that i don't want to accept this fact, but this is how i function , i don't have final, definite, total convinctions on anything no matter how researched and expert- based it is, i call it open mindedness. And this is because i lack the actual experience in reality, the core of it. I'm not the mother, daughter, sister of a psychopath as to be able to tell at what point He, the psychopath felt different, felt evil. At this point i truly believe that a mother can tell more easily then any researcher that her child is born lacking something...

 

[Laura]

No, i missed that but it felt ''fresh'' , it had on me the vivifying effect that ''Truth'' on this forum may become to much of your truth given your colective determination then objective truth. If it was a research forum for experts it should have said so on some rules list and newcomers would have stayed away, this prevents noice from happening.
Maybe this forum has become to crowded for some and you've become too advanced to waste time on explaning the basics to each and everyone.

The purposes of the forum and the general qualifications of the owners and admins are given on the "Forum Guidelines" that you are assumed to have read when signing up for an account. Because, in point of fact, you must click "okay" that you have read and agree to the rules.

Obviously, you didn't.

 

[anart]

A few months ago i read Hare, i have Snakes in Suits, i read Cleckley, i read but i use my common sense sometimes , i like to have my individual insights, as a synthesis to what i read. You can call me ignorant, or naive but i can't devote my whole life, time and struggle to the final enlightment on this issue, that a psychopath in born like this. It's not that i don't want to accept this fact, but this is how i function , i don't have final, definite, total convinctions on anything no matter how researched and expert- based it is, i call it open mindedness.

It is actually called subjectivity.

And this is because i lack the actual experience in reality, the core of it. I'm not the mother, daughter, sister of a psychopath as to be able to tell at what point He, the psychopath felt different, felt evil. At this point i truly believe that a mother can tell more easily then any researcher that her child is born lacking something...

That's like saying that a mother would know better than a brain surgeon about a brain tumor... really rather silly. There is truth. There are facts. Ignoring facts because you are not comfortable with them is a recipe for disaster because it is subjectivity. Please understand that I included the word 'essential' in front of psychopaths - those are the psychopaths that are born that way. There are many other kinds that are 'made' - those are called characteropaths (by Lobaczewski). In short, whether you 'believe it' or not has no bearing on whether it is true or not. The truth does not need you to 'believe it' - it is merely true, no matter what.

If you are interested in discovering objective truth, then this is the forum for you. If you are more interested in living in subjective illusion, then there are other forums that are a much better fit.

 

[psychic_spy]

Nope. The moderators keep the noise down, that is one of our functions, and as long as the lighthouse burns we'll keep explaining things to people who ask. All we ask is that they put a little effort in of their own to get up to speed at least a bit on the topics at hand. If you're not happy with this forum, though, there are millions of other forums out there and I'm sure you can find one that suits you better.

I'm not looking for other forums, this one came by chance and i stick to it out of curiosity and engagement with some of the topics. I get lost on the things i have to read to actually make sense since maybe i don't have the patience, or the brains to ever say something worthwhile in your view. All i know is a forum has it's specific flavour at one time, and after a few months years, things can and will change, it's written in the law of octaves that things go like this. Ican only think on what i lack but at the same time i'm interested to fill the gaps for my common knowledge not because i want to be an expert.

 

[anart]

Nope. The moderators keep the noise down, that is one of our functions, and as long as the lighthouse burns we'll keep explaining things to people who ask. All we ask is that they put a little effort in of their own to get up to speed at least a bit on the topics at hand. If you're not happy with this forum, though, there are millions of other forums out there and I'm sure you can find one that suits you better.

I'm not looking for other forums, this one came by chance and i stick to it out of curiosity and engagement with some of the topics. I get lost on the things i have to read to actually make sense since maybe i don't have the patience, or the brains to ever say something worthwhile in your view.

I never said that, you did and it's a ridiculous thing to say.

All i know is a forum has it's specific flavour at one time, and after a few months years, things can and will change, it's written in the law of octaves that things go like this. Ican only think on what i lack but at the same time i'm interested to fill the gaps for my common knowledge not because i want to be an expert.

Please re-read the forum guidelines as Laura requested. You really seem to have zero idea of what we do here and what is going on. You are welcome to read the forum as much as you'd like, but if you are going to continue to write posts that are filled with nonsense, your posting privileges will be removed.

 

[psychic_spy]

No, i missed that but it felt ''fresh'' , it had on me the vivifying effect that ''Truth'' on this forum may become to much of your truth given your colective determination then objective truth. If it was a research forum for experts it should have said so on some rules list and newcomers would have stayed away, this prevents noice from happening.
Maybe this forum has become to crowded for some and you've become too advanced to waste time on explaning the basics to each and everyone.

The purposes of the forum and the general qualifications of the owners and admins are given on the "Forum Guidelines" that you are assumed to have read when signing up for an account. Because, in point of fact, you must click "okay" that you have read and agree to the rules.

Obviously, you didn't.

At the time i signed in i knew that : 1. i should respect other topics and not make noise

2. Not swear
3. not repeat a topic
4. put quotes properly when i use other users' statements
5. don't post links

I admit i didn't read further and i couldn't imagined, Laura that i'm a bad poster up to this point...am I ?

 

[psychic_spy]

Please re-read the forum guidelines as Laura requested. You really seem to have zero idea of what we do here and what is going on. You are welcome to read the forum as much as you'd like, but if you are going to continue to write posts that are filled with nonsense, your posting privileges will be removed.

I will, gee...i even see right now that posting here has indeed become a '' privilege'' that can be only offered by higher ups.

 

[anart]

Please re-read the forum guidelines as Laura requested. You really seem to have zero idea of what we do here and what is going on. You are welcome to read the forum as much as you'd like, but if you are going to continue to write posts that are filled with nonsense, your posting privileges will be removed.

I will, gee...i even see right now that posting here has indeed become a '' privilege'' that can be only offered by higher ups.

Your attitude and sarcasm aren't helping your case. Would you prefer to be banned outright?

 

[anart]

No, i missed that but it felt ''fresh'' , it had on me the vivifying effect that ''Truth'' on this forum may become to much of your truth given your colective determination then objective truth. If it was a research forum for experts it should have said so on some rules list and newcomers would have stayed away, this prevents noice from happening.
Maybe this forum has become to crowded for some and you've become too advanced to waste time on explaning the basics to each and everyone.

The purposes of the forum and the general qualifications of the owners and admins are given on the "Forum Guidelines" that you are assumed to have read when signing up for an account. Because, in point of fact, you must click "okay" that you have read and agree to the rules.

Obviously, you didn't.

At the time i signed in i knew that : 1. i should respect other topics and not make noise

2. Not swear
3. not repeat a topic
4. put quotes properly when i use other users' statements
5. don't post links

I admit i didn't read further and i couldn't imagined, Laura that i'm a bad poster up to this point...am I ?

You didn't even finish reading the forum guidelines that you agreed to? That explains a lot. Would you please read them - in their entirety - now?

 

[truth seeker]

I will, gee...i even see right now that posting here has indeed become a '' privilege'' that can be only offered by higher ups.

I think you've been here long enough to know that's not even close to being true. Based on the recent emetophobia thread, you also had a difficult time hearing what others were trying to convey to you regardless of what was said. If I remember correctly, the real reason behind your reaction seemed to have to do with what others thought of you. Could the same or similar dynamic be occurring here as well - that your self importance is getting in the way of your growth?

 

[psychic_spy]

I will, gee...i even see right now that posting here has indeed become a '' privilege'' that can be only offered by higher ups.

I think you've been here long enough to know that's not even close to being true. Based on the recent emetophobia thread, you also had a difficult time hearing what others were trying to convey to you regardless of what was said. If I remember correctly, the real reason behind your reaction seemed to have to do with what others thought of you. Could the same or similar dynamic be occurring here as well - that your self importance is getting in the way of your growth?

Yeah but you didn't know that maybe i followed your advice eventually ha? And emetophobia thread it's written in july as far i can remember, meanwhile i gave up on glutten and read the guidelines 3 times. I promise to know them by heart in short while but i guess i knew them from the start, i knew the basics. I've been decent but i don't understand why my previous posts , with my observations on Anart passed as something so offensive, i didn't use coarse language, as a matter of fact i didn't insist stubbornly that i'm in the right or someon else is in the wrong. It must have been something that upset you seriously if i've been threathened or at least told that i shall be banned, and mostly i've been told that by the Administrator in person.

 

[anart]

I will, gee...i even see right now that posting here has indeed become a '' privilege'' that can be only offered by higher ups.

I think you've been here long enough to know that's not even close to being true. Based on the recent emetophobia thread, you also had a difficult time hearing what others were trying to convey to you regardless of what was said. If I remember correctly, the real reason behind your reaction seemed to have to do with what others thought of you. Could the same or similar dynamic be occurring here as well - that your self importance is getting in the way of your growth?

Yeah but you didn't know that maybe i followed your advice eventually ha? And emetophobia thread it's written in july as far i can remember, meanwhile i gave up on glutten and read the guidelines 3 times. I promise to know them by heart in short while but i guess i knew them from the start, i knew the basics.

No, obviously you did not 'know the basics' - the basics are what the purpose of this forum is - the spirit and guidelines of this forum. Your behavior has been rude, insulting and unacceptable and still you argue that you've been wronged.

I've been decent

No, you have not been decent.

but i don't understand why my previous posts , with my observations on Anart passed as something so offensive, i didn't use coarse language, as a matter of fact i didn't insist stubbornly that i'm in the right or someon else is in the wrong. It must have been something that upset you seriously if i've been threathened or at least told that i shall be banned, and mostly i've been told that by the Administrator in person.

It's not about being upset, it's about the fact that you not only stubbornly introduced noise onto a thread but you then went on the attack against an admin (me) and the forum in general and got snotty, sarcastic and rude to boot. Now, you don't even stop to apologize but you continue on in the same vein as if you have been wronged when you have not. Enough really is enough.

 

[Michael B-C]

Hi Psychic_spy! You have posted over 100 times so obviously you are looking to be part of what goes on here. But clearly your enthusiasm has run away with you and you haven’t bothered to learn what this place or its members are about. Doing the work is like wiping your feet as you enter someone else’s home; wishing to be part of shared, basic manners and what any normal person should wish to do as they enter a rare and valuable place.

Anart is a moderator; a guide for you and me. An uncompromising, but from my observational experience, a gifted and gracious soul who gives of her/his time (I know not which as I am no confidante) in an effort to help those who come to this forum to see themselves and what is presented here with some degree of objectivity. Anart has posted over 15,000 times. Can you imagine the commitment, the time, the energy that has taken? Can you? Can you allow it to be objectively true that you have much to learn, that perhaps there are others wiser, more gifted, more committed, better placed to judge than you are (and just so your bull nature doesn’t respond to the red rag, I do not mean me)? Do you suffer the shallow blight of our age – ignorant, self infected narcissism?

Moderators such as Anart offer opportunities for growth by their willingness to engage rather than to self promote. This is a key difference between STS behaviour (such as Sigh’s) and candidate STO nature. Do you get this at any level? You have entered into dialogue with this moderator. This is a gift of gifts. But it seems as if you have fallen into an interaction that you are not ready to learn from - you chose to remain blind to it. Your ego is inflamed; the fact that you would not be repulsed by the ideas presented by Sigh and were more concerned by the highly respectful but firm demands by Anart for Sigh to support his/her claims and to acknowledge the research available on this forum re Gurdjieff’s 4th Way and the oppositional force that is psychopathology suggests much. Your contrary statements about proven born psychopathology when set against the detailed objective research freely available via this forum, SOTT, the writings of Laura Knight-Jadczyk, etc – have you read any of this? - are valueless because they are opinions based on sand. I would suggest that you start by re-reading Sighs posts and thus begin to learn to spot the tell tale signs of psychopathology in action. Read the clarity and direct support and precision offered by a moderator such as Anart. Tell the linguistic difference. Like a potty mouth the psychopath reveals themselves through convoluted and disconnected thought patterns. Spot the difference. If you want to stay part of this forum, want to learn, want to grow, then do some work. And please stop draining other’s valuable energy by bleating like a self ensnared lamb! Make a difference. Educate yourself.