The complex layers of programming in society discussed by polymath Eric Weinstein (mathematician, economist, physicist, invester...)

JGeropoulas

The Living Force
I've begun watching this 3-hour interview of Eric Weinstein, who said back in February he believed Biden would be sidelined, and Trump would not "be allowed" to become president again. I've watched only the first hour, but so far It's been a fascinating expansion of many fundamental insights we've gained on this forum. The discussion begins with a focus on the current election schemes in play, but then broadens to a discussion of the complex layers of programming in society. From there, he delves into the following topics:

the resulting leverages which herd the masses
game theory
cognitive bias manipulation
the designs which create illusions of choice
inoculation against recognition of logical fallacies
the "logic packets" installed via the media to protect discovery or exposure of the programmers
the mechanisms in academia which control science and information
there are actual laws, never tested in court regarding constitutionality, which preemptively define anything learned or discovered related to nuclear explosive devices as classified

 
More highlights:

AI is really just linear algebra so it's difficult to regulate what's basically the use of math
String theory has been used to cockblock actual progress in theoretical physics and derailed an entire field, at least publicly
"Intellectual property" includes any insights or discoveries related to national security realms
String theory is the most failed theory in physics. It's a red herring to curtail physicists from looking elsewhere, or revisiting previous theories
Any alternate theorizing must get past the gatekeepers who are string theorists inclined to destroy the reputations of any divergent thinkers
 
I just noticed this index:
00:00 Will Trump be Allowed to Become President?
12:02 MSNBC’s Editing of Joe Rogan to Support Kamala
16:48 The Media’s Gaslighting of Modern Politics
31:07 Is Google Influencing the Election?
43:03 How Physics Became Boring & Safe
52:40 Is String Theory Just a Shiny Distraction?
1:03:44 Why String Theory Still Gets Funded
1:07:41 Science’s Big Problems
1:13:45 The Danger of Criticism Capture
1:26:19 Eric’s Antidote for Cancelling People
1:36:15 Why Having Public Opinions is so Exhausting
1:53:21 What Chris Gets Criticised for Most
2:06:10 The Dynamics of Interviewing & Conversation
2:16:18 Trying to Become a High Agency Person
2:25:53 Eric’s Advice for People Who Don’t Fit in
2:33:38 Overcoming Impossible Situations
2:38:17 4D Complex Shapes, Geometry & Dimensions
2:49:09 The Internet is Destroying the Sacred
3:02:44 Reacting to “What Can Be, Unburdened By What Has Been”
3:19:06 Eric’s Thoughts on JD Vance
 
The discussion begins with a focus on the current election schemes in play

The most important Election Scheme is the fact that elections are decided in computer data centers, not by ballots.

I wish Weinstein would discuss that, as it seems more important to me.

If you don't believe this, visit your local courthouse and ask to examine the computer code of the software that reports their election results.
 
3:19:06 Eric’s Thoughts on JD Vance
Listened in just from this time-stamp.
I had no problem understanding the Disinformation 12. Joe Rogan speaks clearer with his drug use and abundant F-words. Listening to Dan Aykroyd was a fun experience. Lazar's way of speech was technically and intellectually fascinating. Kennedy, despite his vocal cords, is way easier to understand, his words convey true meaning and deep feeling. But in this video, Weinstein - I had to really listen to him and concentrate to make out of the convoluted mess, WTH is he talking about??? He finally stated Vance and Kennedy care about the little people. OK. But why all that hard to listen to convoluted stuff? Concentrating on Weinstein I thought probably American problems are so complicated that - and the cultural distance is so great that poor little dumb me being Eastern Europaean I'm way to stupid to understand descriptions of the depth of American Democrat vs. Republican situation. Too eclectic? But everybody else I can clearly understand.
 
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In case anyone didn’t realise,
Bret Weinstein of ‘Dark Horse’ podcast is Eric Weinstein’s brother. Here they are, for the first time ever, being interviewed together by Dave Rubin earlier this year.
One of Brett’s recent appearances on podcast ‘Diary of a CEO’ was posted by Laura recently and is on SOTT.
Still keeping in the family—Heather Heyer, Bret’s wife is also an evolutionary biologist, author, and educator.
 
In case anyone didn’t realise,
Bret Weinstein of ‘Dark Horse’ podcast is Eric Weinstein’s brother. Here they are, for the first time ever, being interviewed together by Dave Rubin earlier this year.
One of Brett’s recent appearances on podcast ‘Diary of a CEO’ was posted by Laura recently and is on SOTT.
Still keeping in the family—Heather Heyer, Bret’s wife is also an evolutionary biologist, author, and educator.
I’m half an hour into listening to the brothers discussion (will follow up by listening to Eric’s interview). It is stellar, I can’t find a synopsis with time stamps. But it is an example of 4d thinking about our world and society. I highly recommend it, listening to these two men applying their critical minds together is well worth your time. Comments on YouTube are that it is possibly the best thing on the internet right now although it is a few months old.
 
Here’s a summary put together with the help of GPT who wrote the final summary, I just cleaned it up a bit, but it seems to cover the gist of the podcast. I copied the raw auto-generated transcript from YouTube into ChatGPT prompting it with the chapters and so forth, had ChatGPT clean it up, put it into full text, then asked it to make summaries of the chapters. This is the final result for anybody that wants to get the gist of it only, as this summary doesn’t really capture the quality and the intensity of the discussion, however.


Will Trump be Allowed to Become President?

Eric Weinstein discusses the political landscape surrounding Donald Trump's presidency. He explores the broader question of whether Trump would be allowed to serve a second term, not from a legal standpoint, but in terms of public perception and political maneuvering. He delves into the role of the media and political elites in shaping the narrative around Trump’s presidency. Weinstein touches on how certain political figures and institutions have the power to influence outcomes, including through subtle forms of manipulation and control. He raises the concern that despite Trump's legal legitimacy, external forces could find ways to prevent him from continuing in power by manipulating public perception or using institutional tools against him.


MSNBC’s Editing of Joe Rogan to Support Kamala

They talk about media manipulation, specifically on how MSNBC edited Joe Rogan's comments to make it appear as if he was endorsing Kamala Harris. Weinstein uses this as an example of selective editing and gaslighting tactics by mainstream media. He criticizes how the media can cherry-pick statements to fit a desired narrative and manipulate public opinion. The conversation highlights the broader issue of trust in media, as well as the ethical dilemmas involved in shaping news stories for political purposes. Weinstein argues that this kind of editing contributes to the public’s growing distrust of traditional news outlets and exacerbates the political divide.


The Media’s Gaslighting of Modern Politics

Weinstein dives deeper into the concept of gaslighting, particularly how it applies to the political landscape. He explains how media organizations and political figures twist reality in ways that leave the public questioning what is true. This gaslighting, according to Weinstein, creates confusion and division, making it difficult for the average person to navigate the complexities of modern politics. He compares this phenomenon to the Iran-Contra scandal, noting that while historical events like that were also baffling, the current media landscape amplifies this confusion to an unprecedented level. The conversation highlights how gaslighting has become a tool for controlling the narrative in modern-day politics.


Is Google Influencing the Election?

Weinstein discusses the potential influence of major tech companies, specifically Google, on democratic elections. He raises concerns about the power these corporations wield over information flow and their potential to shape public opinion. Weinstein highlights how search engine algorithms and content moderation can subtly bias what information the public sees, raising the question of whether these actions amount to undue influence on the political process. The discussion also touches on the broader issue of corporate responsibility and the ethical implications of companies like Google having such a significant impact on the democratic process. Weinstein suggests that the influence of these tech giants may go largely unnoticed by the general public, but their role in shaping electoral outcomes is profound.


How Physics Became Boring & Safe

Weinstein reflects on the current state of theoretical physics, lamenting how it has become "boring and safe." He explains that once groundbreaking fields, like string theory, have become institutionalized and now favor safe, uncontroversial ideas over bold, innovative ones. Weinstein critiques the academic system, which he believes stifles intellectual creativity by prioritizing funding and reputation over risky, paradigm-shifting research. He contrasts this with the era of quantum mechanics and relativity, when physicists were willing to take greater risks with their ideas. This discussion serves as a broader metaphor for the stagnation of intellectual progress in other fields, such as politics and economics.




Is String Theory Just a Shiny Distraction?

Eric Weinstein delves into the controversial topic of string theory, questioning whether it has become more of a distraction than a pathway to scientific progress. He discusses the theory's promise to unify all fundamental forces of nature and how, despite its popularity, it has led to little tangible progress in recent decades. Weinstein critiques how string theory is often treated as an unassailable truth within the scientific community, despite the fact that it hasn’t yielded groundbreaking results. He also reflects on how the academic system supports such theories, even when they fail to deliver, and contrasts this with other promising but underfunded or overlooked areas of research. The conversation positions string theory as emblematic of the broader problems in science today—namely, the preference for flashy but unproven ideas over more substantive, riskier research.


Why String Theory Still Gets Funded

This section explores why string theory continues to receive funding despite its lack of practical results. Weinstein argues that string theory persists largely because of the way funding is structured in academia, where established ideas, no matter how flawed, receive a disproportionate share of resources. He suggests that institutional inertia plays a significant role in perpetuating the funding of string theory, as newer, more disruptive ideas struggle to gain traction. He also touches on the role of social dynamics in academia, where scientists may fear stepping out of line with popular theories, resulting in a lack of innovation. Weinstein’s critique here isn’t just of string theory, but of the way science as a whole has become conservative and risk-averse, prioritizing the maintenance of established ideas over the pursuit of revolutionary ones.


Science’s Big Problems

Weinstein broadens the discussion to address the larger systemic issues plaguing modern science. He argues that science has become more about maintaining reputations and securing funding than about pushing the boundaries of human knowledge. One of the key issues he highlights is the failure of peer review, which often prioritizes consensus over innovation. He also critiques the publish-or-perish culture in academia, where the pressure to constantly produce papers leads to a proliferation of low-quality research. Furthermore, Weinstein laments the loss of individual brilliance and daring in science, which has been replaced by collective groupthink. He contrasts the current state of science with earlier periods of innovation, such as the 20th-century breakthroughs in quantum mechanics, to underscore how far the field has fallen.


The Danger of Criticism Capture

Weinstein introduces the concept of "criticism capture," which he describes as more dangerous than audience capture. He explains that public figures, especially in media and academia, can become overly reactive to criticism, shaping their output to avoid backlash rather than to express their genuine beliefs. This dynamic is particularly dangerous in the era of social media, where criticism is immediate and widespread. Weinstein argues that criticism capture stifles creativity and authenticity, as individuals modify their behavior to fit the expectations of their critics. He contrasts this with the concept of "audience capture," where creators cater to their audience's tastes. Criticism capture, according to Weinstein, is more insidious because it forces creators into defensive postures, which can hinder their intellectual and creative freedom.


Eric’s Antidote for Cancelling People

Weinstein addresses the phenomenon of cancel culture and offers his perspective on how to navigate it. He argues that while cancel culture can be destructive, there are ways to resist its effects. Weinstein emphasizes the importance of building resilient networks and communities that can withstand public attacks. He also advises people to remain true to their values and beliefs, even in the face of widespread criticism. Weinstein highlights the need for intellectual courage and warns against the temptation to conform to popular opinion just to avoid being "canceled." His antidote to cancel culture involves a combination of integrity, courage, and the support of like-minded individuals who share a commitment to open dialogue and the pursuit of truth.


Why Having Public Opinions is so Exhausting

Eric Weinstein and Chris Williamson discuss the challenges of maintaining public opinions in today’s highly polarized and reactive media landscape. Weinstein reflects on how exhausting it is to navigate public discourse while staying true to one’s beliefs. He points out the emotional toll of constantly being scrutinized and criticized for holding unconventional views. The conversation also touches on the fine line between expressing genuine opinions and the fear of being misunderstood or misrepresented. Weinstein highlights how, in the current climate, the pressure to conform or remain silent often overwhelms the desire to engage in meaningful discussions. This chapter captures the frustration of those who wish to remain intellectually honest while resisting the temptation to give in to societal pressures.


What Chris Gets Criticised for Most

Chris Williamson talks about the specific criticisms he faces as a public figure. He reflects on how certain topics or viewpoints are more likely to draw ire from his audience. Williamson also delves into the emotional and psychological impact of being in the public eye, and how he manages the tension between staying true to himself and navigating the expectations of his listeners. Weinstein and Williamson discuss the phenomenon of “narrative capture,” where creators feel forced to cater to certain narratives to avoid backlash. The conversation underscores the complexity of remaining authentic while balancing public perception and criticism.


The Dynamics of Interviewing & Conversation

This chapter explores the art of interviewing and conversational dynamics. Weinstein and Williamson discuss how different interviewing styles impact the flow of a conversation. They reflect on the methods used by top interviewers, such as Joe Rogan, who are able to create a natural dialogue by using a blend of statements and questions. The conversation delves into the nuances of asking probing questions, drawing out deeper insights, and maintaining a balance between guiding the conversation and allowing it to unfold organically. Both Weinstein and Williamson express admiration for interviewers who have mastered the ability to make guests feel comfortable while challenging them intellectually. This chapter provides valuable insights into the intricacies of high-level, thought-provoking conversations.


Trying to Become a High Agency Person

In this section, Weinstein discusses the concept of “agency,” which he defines as the ability to take action and solve problems in difficult or constrained situations. He explains that high-agency individuals are those who can find solutions where others see obstacles. Weinstein and Williamson explore personal experiences and thought experiments, such as who one would call if they were stuck in an impossible situation, like a South American prison. They reflect on the qualities that make someone a high-agency person—resilience, creativity, and adaptability. This chapter highlights the importance of cultivating agency in oneself and the benefits it brings, not just in personal life, but in navigating complex societal challenges.


Eric’s Advice for People Who Don’t Fit In

In the final chapter of Part 3, Weinstein offers advice to those who feel like they don’t fit into traditional molds or societal expectations. He encourages individuals to embrace their uniqueness and leverage their outsider status as a strength rather than a weakness. Weinstein emphasizes the importance of finding like-minded communities and mentors who can offer support and guidance. He also reflects on his own experiences of feeling like an outsider in various intellectual and social circles, and how this sense of not fitting in has shaped his worldview. The conversation ends on a hopeful note, encouraging people to stay true to themselves and find ways to contribute meaningfully to society, even if they don’t conform to its norms.


Overcoming Impossible Situations

In this chapter, Eric Weinstein shares personal stories about overcoming seemingly impossible situations, such as a serious accident he had in Bali. He explains how he had to navigate complex health and logistical challenges while abroad and emphasizes the importance of resourcefulness and problem-solving in difficult circumstances. The discussion turns to how individuals can prepare for extreme situations, both physically and mentally. Weinstein reflects on the broader metaphor of "impossible situations" in life and how facing adversity often forces people to adapt and grow. The chapter highlights the value of resilience, critical thinking, and the ability to act under pressure.


4D Complex Shapes, Geometry & Dimensions

This chapter delves into the world of higher-dimensional geometry, with Weinstein introducing complex mathematical objects such as the 4D tesseract and the 24-cell. He explains these abstract concepts and their importance in theoretical mathematics and physics. Weinstein also reflects on how these higher-dimensional objects challenge our perceptions and provide insights into the structure of the universe. He emphasizes that while these ideas may seem esoteric, they have practical implications for our understanding of reality. The conversation also touches on the role of mathematical artists in making these complex ideas more accessible to the general public. Weinstein uses this discussion as a metaphor for thinking outside of conventional dimensions, both literally and figuratively, in problem-solving and innovation.


The Internet is Destroying the Sacred

Weinstein discusses how the internet, with its rapid dissemination of information, has eroded the concept of the sacred in modern society. He argues that the internet’s constant stream of memes and viral content trivializes important cultural artifacts and moments, reducing them to fleeting jokes. Weinstein laments that this lack of reverence for the sacred has broader implications for society, including a diminished sense of meaning and purpose. He compares this phenomenon to the rapid consumption of news stories, where even significant events are quickly forgotten or reduced to superficial narratives. The conversation highlights the tension between the speed of modern information flow and the need for deeper, more reflective engagement with culture and history.


Reacting to "What Can Be, Unburdened By What Has Been"

Weinstein and Williamson explore the meaning behind the phrase "What can be, unburdened by what has been." Weinstein traces the phrase’s philosophical roots, noting its similarities to ideas in Marxism and other revolutionary ideologies, where the past must be erased to create a new future. He explains that such ideologies often seek to wipe out history and memory to impose new systems and values. Weinstein reflects on how this mindset plays out in contemporary political movements, particularly those that aim to radically transform society by discarding traditions and established norms. The discussion also touches on the dangers of forgetting history and the importance of balancing progress with a respect for the past.


Eric’s Thoughts on JD Vance

Weinstein shares his personal experiences and impressions of JD Vance, the author of Hillbilly Elegy and a political figure. He recounts a meeting he had with Vance and other influential Republicans, during which he was struck by Vance’s genuine concern for the working class and the poor. Weinstein contrasts the media’s portrayal of Vance with his own observations, emphasizing that Vance cares deeply about the struggles of everyday Americans, particularly those who have been left behind by economic policies like NAFTA. The chapter reflects on the broader political landscape and how figures like Vance are often misunderstood or misrepresented by the media. Weinstein also touches on his own political evolution and how interactions with people like Vance have shaped his views on populism and the future of American politics.


 
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