The Dark Side Of The Force

[Faith]

Hello everyone :/

Today a perfectly destructive black hole formed inside of me. I was blinded by anger and hatred towards these inhuman, diabolic American terminators, I witnessed. I watched this apache-cam-video: "US helicopter gunship reveals glimpse of slaughterfest in Iraq"

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/206184-Collateral-Murder-WikiLeaks-video-from-US-helicopter-gunship-reveals-glimpse-of-slaughterfest-in-Iraq

Those American soldiers, who were involved in this "surgical operation" are perfect machines, no question! But what frightened me more was this sinister part in me that demanded revenge for what they have done. What is this fatalistic thinking, that comes upon me, when I am witnessing such terror? It makes me perfectly mechanical as well, so when I start hating them, I am feeding the dark forces inside of me. It makes me inhuman as well, misleadingly imagining I would fight for the good, like they do -- subjective good. Imagine these false proportions: those bodies were professionally ripped apart by this oversized cannon, cowardly shot from the distance, nice and easy!

Embedded journalism? The only journalist who is embedded is the dead one covered by corpses and bodyparts. I can't believe what I am listening to, how the soldiers are speaking about their actions, as if they were just playing a boring xbox-shooter, not even a thrilling one. They remind me of what Gurdjieff said about the human machine in times of war. I simply can't believe that those soldiers really are humans, living and breathing beings, that they even have rights, unbelievable. That's too much to bare. Today reality is a perverse grotesque and I am somehow part of it! After I calmed down, I realized that those soldiers are victims as well, hypnotized to think professionally, like machines. Another part in me feels sorry for them. I am perfectly torn.

Today I learned what professional thinking really means. I wonder if these mechanically thinking and acting soldiers could be cured or if they are already lost. I hope one fine day they will be able to feel, what they have done, stand for what they are.

 

[truth seeker]

The question you're asking reminded me of this C's session:

A: The wave is coming, you are teaching people to surf it instead of being dragged under and out to stormy seas.

Q: (L) You once said that the wave was something like "hyperkinetic sensate". And I've often wondered if that means that it's something that massively amplifies whatever is inside an individual? And if that were the case and they were full of a lot of unpleasant, painful, miserable feelings, repressed and suppressed thoughts and so forth, and something that was hyperkinetic sensate amplified all of that, what would it do to that individual? I mean, can you imagine any of us in our worst state of feeling yucky and then having that amplified a bazillion times? If it was bad stuff inside you, you would implode!

A: Soul smashing!

Q: (L) So it is really important for people to go through this process of cleansing to prepare themselves for that?

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!

Q: (L) So even people who - or maybe particularly people who - engage in a great deal of what Lobaczewski called "selection and substitution", there is some part of their rational mind that knows what the truth is, but because it's not acceptable to their peer group, or their social milieu, or their background and upbringing to accept that truth, they repress and suppress it and explain things to themselves in other ways. But they still know the truth. What would it be like if you have all of this suppressed, twisted truth locked up inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge?

(Ark) But you see this is not a separate phenomenon because when there is this amplification, there are these fears that you said, they will also explode. So the individual will be able to... the little devil will become the big devil, so it will be easier to choose, because, you know, choices will be amplified. It's not just little dark here, little this there - it's hard to choose - but they will have to decide this time where to go, and the decision will be...

(L) Extremely painful.

(Ark) It will be painful, but on the other hand, it will be clear.

(C******) But what if you're so overwhelmed it isn't clear?

(L) What if your fear is so big that...

(C******) You're blinded?

(Ark) Well, then you are lost.

(L) I mean, people that believe lies against all evidence are the ones that really baffle me. I mean, they don't baffle me in the sense that I don't understand why they do it, because I understand the psychological and brain mechanism, and I understand that's it been thousands of years, little by little, gradually, pathologically encroaching until now we live in this world where it's just literally -everything is dirty - it's just really horrible. And I can't imagine what... I mean, what about a psychopath? What about a psychopath who doesn't have emotions? How is a hyperkinetic sensate {wave} going to affect a psychopath?

A: They do have a sort of "emotion". Hunger for darkness.

Q: (L) So what it is an amplified hunger for darkness?

(A******) More darkness.

(L) But what would it do if it were amplified in that way?

(Allen) Ravenous!

(L) They'd devour themselves, wouldn't they?

A: More or less. What do you do when at your center there is a big empty hole?

Q: (Ark) But I can see how it's gonna happen. You see separately, there are these psychopaths. At the same time, there are a lot of people who are becoming very unstable. There are a lot of people who go completely crazy, that psychopaths can see something is happening - new opportunity, right? So, new victims. "They're mine!" "No, they're MINE!" And so psychopaths will start to fight with each other.

(L) Because they're more and more hungry. And then their masks will fall away, and people will see them for what they are.

A: Yes

Q: (L) It's gonna be ugly. But, we are embarked upon a new world.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14944.0

 

[Chopper]

Some of us wake up !
I was an EX USMC sargent well 30 years ago lol , yes the conditioning is harsh but only the weak loose themselves in it ( thay couldnt robot me )... which "thay" reongize and move ppl like me to other work ( called a MOS change) which left me to data systems analyst / computer analysis .. where I could find even more truths because that gave me a very high secutity clearance , and you can bet your teeth I dove in there researching till I coldnt see stright , thay were glad when I left and made it hard on me to join JPL on the mars projects even tho I had a letter of introduction ...... needless to say JPL never let me in ... I guess thay figured I would become a whisleblower and you can be the farm I would had lol....

 

[RyanX]

[quote author=f]Those American soldiers, who were involved in this "surgical operation" are perfect machines, no question! But what frightened me more was this sinister part in me that demanded revenge for what they have done. What is this fatalistic thinking, that comes upon me, when I am witnessing such terror? It makes me perfectly mechanical as well, so when I start hating them, I am feeding the dark forces inside of me.[/quote]

floetus,

I think your feelings of anger are valid after watching such a horrific scene. If by revenge you mean putting these soldiers on trial for murder, then I would think this to be appropriate. If you are thinking revenge along the lines of "an eye for an eye", then I don't think this would be appropriate and would put one at the psychopathic level of these soldiers.

[quote author=f]After I calmed down, I realized that those soldiers are victims as well, hypnotized to think professionally, like machines. Another part in me feels sorry for them. I am perfectly torn. [/quote]

How can one feel sorry for a killing machine? Are these soldiers really victims? Consider this quote from Kevin Barrett's Twilight of the Psychopaths:

[quote author=Kevin Barrett - Twilight of the Psychopaths]
In On Killing, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has re-written military history, to highlight what other histories hide: The fact that military science is less about strategy and technology, than about overcoming the instinctive human reluctance to kill members of our own species. The true “Revolution in Military Affairs” was not Donald Rumsfeld’s move to high-tech in 2001, but Brigadier Gen. S.L.A. Marshall’s discovery in the 1940s that only 15-20% of World War II soldiers along the line of fire would use their weapons: “Those (80-85%) who did not fire did not run or hide (in many cases they were willing to risk great danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages), but they simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges” (Grossman, p. 4).

Marshall’s discovery and subsequent research, proved that in all previous wars, a tiny minority of soldiers — the 5% who are natural-born psychopaths, and perhaps a few temporarily-insane imitators—did almost all the killing. Normal men just went through the motions and, if at all possible, refused to take the life of an enemy soldier, even if that meant giving up their own. The implication: Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. (This cannot be good for humanity’s genetic endowment!)
[/quote]

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/02/02073.html

 

[Faith]

How can one feel sorry for a killing machine? Are these soldiers really victims? Consider this quote from Kevin Barrett's Twilight of the Psychopaths:

But if they are nothing more than killing machines (and it looks that way) then mustn't they be seen and treated like ones? Re-program them if you can? You can't punish a machine, can you? Junk them if they are beyond repair? What a bizarre consideration! I don't know what to make of it. That's too deep for me!

Some of us wake up !
I was an EX USMC sargent well 30 years ago lol , yes the conditioning is harsh but only the weak loose themselves in it ( thay couldnt robot me )...

I'm glad that you could step out. But it seems that there are a few soldiers if not many, who like to be in: natural born killers, who could not and would not want to wake up. That's deep.


edit: added reply for chopper

 

[Faith]

After I calmed down, I realized that those soldiers are victims as well, hypnotized to think professionally, like machines. Another part in me feels sorry for them. I am perfectly torn.

NO! Here I definitely tried to betray myself. To say a part of me would feel sorry for those who were manipulated to such an extend that they have become killing machines, is an intellectual construction, not a feeling! The only thing i really felt was unspeakable hatred towards these monsters. I guess, in order to avoid identifying with this negative feeling, I ordered me to feel 'sorry' for these misguided lunatics. But that does not work.

I should not have watched this disturbing video. It is haunting me all day long. I can't get it out of my mind. I guess, I need a break from all this. Sorry for bringing this up.

 

[RyanX]

After I calmed down, I realized that those soldiers are victims as well, hypnotized to think professionally, like machines. Another part in me feels sorry for them. I am perfectly torn.

NO! Here I definitely tried to betray myself. To say a part of me would feel sorry for those who were manipulated to such an extend that they have become killing machines, is an intellectual construction, not a feeling! The only thing i really felt was unspeakable hatred towards these monsters. I guess, in order to avoid identifying with this negative feeling, I ordered me to feel 'sorry' for these misguided lunatics. But that does not work.

I think this is an accurate self observation. You immediately formed a buffer to the feelings of outrage and anger you experienced watching this video. I think the key is to channel this emotion into something positive instead of trying to cut it off. For instance, if you have a blog or facebook account, post the link on there to let others know. If you're an artist of some variety, you could put this energy into your own creation, maybe in such a way to bring an awareness of this situation (and many similar) to others. Just don't let the anger run away with you - keep it below the neck. Recognize this anger is a natural reaction to such a revolting video.

Here is a thread you might find useful:

The Usefulness of the Negative Half of the Emotional Center

Here's an observation Laura made in the first post of the above thread:

I should not have watched this disturbing video. It is haunting me all day long. I can't get it out of my mind. I guess, I need a break from all this. Sorry for bringing this up.

No need to feel sorry! :) You're cleaning your machine and so far doing a good job of observing some important programs in yourself.

I can understand the need for a break from watching the video though. I turned it off several times before I watched it through to the end. I didn't even want to watch it at first, it was a struggle to even press play. I forced myself to watch it and it just confirmed my own thoughts that the problem of psychopaths in power is the major struggle facing humanity.

 

[Buddy]

Hey Ryan. Great job with those posts from my point of view! Everything in this thread resonates with me as well and although your replies were to floetus, they were perfect for me too. Thank you for that.

 

[NormaRegula]

NO! Here I definitely tried to betray myself. To say a part of me would feel sorry for those who were manipulated to such an extend that they have become killing machines, is an intellectual construction, not a feeling! The only thing i really felt was unspeakable hatred towards these monsters. I guess, in order to avoid identifying with this negative feeling, I ordered me to feel 'sorry' for these misguided lunatics. But that does not work.

It looks as if you've made an interesting observation about how many of us have been programmed to deal with psychopathology - ignore/buffer one's outrage of what psychopathic/ponerized individuals are capable of (great evil, with zero remorse!) and then try to rationalize it via pity for them (not their victims!) or believe "if only they were given love at some point in their lives" they would be human.

Uncomfortable as it is, some beings (psychopaths in particular) can never be reformed or reprogrammed to feel empathy or remorse.

Most of us have been programmed not to express our anger, "turn the other cheek", or just passively accept such battle behavior as being part of our own natures. These programs only serve to protect the psychopaths and their willing minions.

How many times must human beings in their fear and ignorance believe such lies like: It's war, after all. War is a messy business...it's a natural state of human affairs. We gotta get them before they get us! How dare anyone leak such a video that shows war at its ugliness. Why it could make someone angry and possibly decide to do something - like not support our troops, our war and our big business of war.

Thank goodness, there are still persons like you who are outraged and angered by such a video and then caught themselves in the middle of a "pity program" - the same sort of program that keeps pathologicals and ponerized individuals in power because people mistakenly believe that everyone who looks like a human has a conscience.

I should not have watched this disturbing video. It is haunting me all day long. I can't get it out of my mind. I guess, I need a break from all this. Sorry for bringing this up.

No need to be sorry for bringing this up.

This video is extremely disturbing. As horrific as it is, the truth of the matter (that innocents were targeted, mocked, justified, and gleefully murdered as if they were video game targets - not human beings who experience confusion, terror and suffering whilst trying to get away from the carnage) can no longer be be hidden from the public - or spun away by warmongering fools and corporate media talking heads, let alone by the despicable soldiers whose very words and actions betray their pathology or highly-ponerized condition.

Righteous anger can be a positive thing if channeled correctly. It's okay to feel it rising within you. Definitely take a break - perhaps some pipe breaths will ease your stress at seeing an uncomfortable truth. If you need to cry...cry. (That is not a sign of weakness!) If you need to punch a pillow...do it!

Ryan has offered you some good tips and a useful quote from Laura. When you're less stressed, Floetus, come back to the forum. We'll be here to support you. Take care

 

[NormaRegula]

I can understand the need for a break from watching the video though. I turned it off several times before I watched it through to the end. I didn't even want to watch it at first, it was a struggle to even press play.

Likewise, here.

I forced myself to watch it and it just confirmed my own thoughts that the problem of psychopaths in power is the major struggle facing humanity.

Definitely. All 3D roads lead to psychopathology. If this aspect of human experience can be disseminated to enough human beings, it just might tip the scales in the favor of light and restore the balance. Even those who currently choose not to accept the 4D hyperdimensional angle, might come to the truth via an understanding of psychopaths, OSIT.

And thanks for giving Floetus some sound advice in how to deal with the anger.

 

[Faith]

And thanks for giving Floetus some sound advice in how to deal with the anger.

Thanks RyanX :) I really appreciate your help. It really would be a bless if I could channel my anger correctly.

This video is quite a shock! I have the scary feeling I've opened a forbidden door to a strange new world. I guess, there is no turning back. It's everywhere I go. It reminds me of a hippie-sticker, that reads: "Reality is a state of mind caused by the absence of certain drugs". It's the forest of no return, the same than before, but seen with slightly different eyes. My experiences in the last few days go deeper than I could have possibly imagined. I feel I have grown quite a bit, you know, like Pipin in the second Lord of the Rings. Some things that once were important to me, now turned thin, others have gained in weight. There were moments when I felt positive in situations when I usually felt negative. It already changed me in a way. The very observation of certain processes seems to cause some first changes. I definitely have become more emotional for instance, maybe too emotional sometimes. I wonder if it's the pipe breathing, that's causing it. However, it almost seems as if myself and I did smoke the peace pipe, so to speak, for now, honoring a cease-fire (I am wondering, what's in that pipe). I need time to balance it out, you know, negotiating the terms.

I will never forget, what Anart has done for me ('why are you single'-thread)! This surely was no small thing. It almost seemed as if Mme de Salzmann herself wrote that final post to me, that has let me to a turning point. SAO has also contributed a great deal to it, all of them.

Righteous anger can be a positive thing if channeled correctly. It's okay to feel it rising within you. Definitely take a break - perhaps some pipe breaths will ease your stress at seeing an uncomfortable truth. If you need to cry...cry. (That is not a sign of weakness!) If you need to punch a pillow...do it!

Ryan has offered you some good tips and a useful quote from Laura. When you're less stressed, Floetus, come back to the forum. We'll be here to support you. Take care

You are right. I am a bit lost right now. I definitely need a break. Now that I graduated from university, I have to find a job first, find my place in this tricky society. That must be my priority right now. So I guess I have to make myself a little scarce. (By the way, your avatar: it's Mucha, isn't it? :))


There is a certain magic in this place, something that holds it together -- the network. It's a feeling I can't explain, that I don't want explain. I believe it's
the light side of the force :)



edit: corrected the 'light' side of the force

 

[NormaRegula]

You are right. I am a bit lost right now. I definitely need a break. Now that I graduated from university, I have to find a job first, find my place in this tricky society. That must be my priority right now. So I guess I have to make myself a little scarce.

I wasn't suggesting you make yourself scarce. Just to take a break and a breather (a few pipe breaths tend to ease stress), then do your best to vent some of that righteous anger by channelling it into something positive.

Whenever you're feeling a shock, fear, or depression, it might be wiser to let the forum know about it. One of the reasons for a network is that no one person can give it a go in this world alone. Sometimes just voicing one's concerns and fears like you have done here can eventually lift one up via the "power" of a network - especially when that network, having experienced the same things or having an understanding of what one is going through, offers some sound advice and encouragement to go on. (Oh, and that pesky, yet much-needed mirror if we are going to do serious battle with the Dark Side.)

By all means, pursue your job search...that is a priority...and let us know how things are going. We care.

...There is a certain magic in this place, something that holds it together -- the network. It's a feeling I can't explain, that I don't want explain. I believe it's
the good side of the force

Yes, I also think this forum is a positive, creative outlet and could be likened to the Light Side of the Force.

 

[Faith]

I wasn't suggesting you make yourself scarce. Just to take a break and a breather (a few pipe breaths tend to ease stress), then do your best to vent some of that righteous anger by channelling it into something positive.

I guess 'scarse' is a wrong expression. I meant making myself a bit 'rarer', focusing on some everyday issues. I didn't meant to dissapear. In France the Bretons use the same word 'scarse' for boozing. I get the impression that these things can easily 'outgrow', becoming too distracting. It's quite difficult to synchronize the truth with everyday-lies.

 

[NormaRegula]

I guess 'scarse' is a wrong expression. I meant making myself a bit 'rarer', focusing on some everyday issues. I didn't meant to dissapear.

I understand now. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Faith]

You're welcome :D