The Dark Side of 'The Secret'

[DylanSkroff]

Anyone in any condition can achieve awakening. Meditation isn't about coccooning yourself, it's about connecting to everything going on in the whole entire universe! Including the need for everyone to wake up and make political change and stop killing everything. You detach from your identifications and connect with god - that's meditation/focus if done properly.

I certainly don't love Oprah and have never been a watcher of that show, but I know she has promoted intelligent, compassionate people at times. Consciousness will work through all people. As far as being in the wrong bar, true, this feels like an energy waste, just a distraction and I won't continue after this post.

By the way, from a political perspective, V for Vendetta seemed to me to be an obvious Illuminati movie meant to provoke end-times Monarch programming. Why would you supposed skeptics follow a mainstream movie so avidly? The Freeman broke down how it is Illuminati-made pretty good, I don't remember his website off hand. Arent the Wachowski Bros. known agents? The Matrix was Illuminati-themed all the way. Still was a good movie though.

Alrighty peace.

 

[j0da]

Not only you are in the wrong bar, you have got everything upside-down as well.

War :D

 

[Renaissance]

Consciousness will work through all people.

And there's the kicker. Until people can have an adequate knowledge of psychological deviants and psychopaths, this huge deception that all people can do 'good' will maintain the status quo.

 

[Redrock12]

Consciousness will work through all people.

True, but is that consciousness' knowledge based on information or disinformation?
And knowledge based on disinformation is worse than no knowledge. Guess what "The Secret" is based on.:/

 

[kenlee]

By the way, from a political perspective, V for Vendetta seemed to me to be an obvious Illuminati movie meant to provoke end-times Monarch programming. Why would you supposed skeptics follow a mainstream movie so avidly? The Freeman broke down how it is Illuminati-made pretty good, I don't remember his website off hand. Arent the Wachowski Bros. known agents? The Matrix was Illuminati-themed all the way. Still was a good movie though.

Alrighty peace.

You see, you only look at this movie from a reactional point of view. Like a digital gate, ‘it’ (the reaction machine in you) sees things only in terms of ‘yes’ OR ‘no’. You see ‘good’ and ‘evil’ in the same way. Its all external to yourself. You see things only in terms of illuminati (bad) or not-illuminati (good). It’s all subjective and your understanding of this movie is equally reactionary and subjective.

We are quite literally ‘drafted’ into a personality based thought construct system as soon as our education begins, and it's without our consent and we are given appropriate ‘uniforms of thought’ that reflect this. There are some people who simply do not fit well into this uniform and they question things. It's a WAR. It’s an inner war to think for yourself. Meditation movements simply crystallize the false personality so as to self calm these ‘misfits in uniform’ who begin to actually question things. The intent of this is to eventually lull these misfits into giving up their fight to be objective and think for themselves. THAT is what the essential message of the movie 'V' is about.

Then there are those who ‘fight the Machine’ without knowing the true nature of the battle. Either way you will be doomed if you let your reaction machine think for you.

Either you lose the will to fight thru ‘meditation’ or fight the wrong kind of battle because of stupidity and ignorance. The real message of the movie is about the nature of psychopaths who rule our lives. But to begin to know how to ‘fight’ this you must learn how to think for yourself and know the true nature of the battle.

 

[Zadius Sky]

Anyone in any condition can achieve awakening.

I doubt a psychopath can 'achieve' awakening. Have you read the literature on psychopaths as discussed in this forum or even Gurdjieff's works?

Meditation isn't about coccooning yourself, it's about connecting to everything going on in the whole entire universe! Including the need for everyone to wake up and make political change and stop killing everything. You detach from your identifications and connect with god - that's meditation/focus if done properly.

Om...um... Nope. Didn't work. Your statement above is wishful thinking.

Consciousness will work through all people.

Above is vague. Have you read the literature on psychopaths as discussed in this forum or even Gurdjieff's works?

By the way, from a political perspective, V for Vendetta seemed to me to be an obvious Illuminati movie meant to provoke end-times Monarch programming. Why would you supposed skeptics follow a mainstream movie so avidly? The Freeman broke down how it is Illuminati-made pretty good, I don't remember his website off hand. Arent the Wachowski Bros. known agents? The Matrix was Illuminati-themed all the way. Still was a good movie though.

So, if we see the skeptics 'avidly' following the mainstream movie, then that movie is Illuminati? And, what is the name of this 'Freeman' you kindly spoke of? I am rather curious to know.

 

[DylanSkroff]

I'm not continuing this thread with you people. A pretty vicious left-brained lot on here. If meditation didn't do it for you, try something else. Shake your head and hold a rock. That will uncork the energy for you. Of course V for Vendetta was a good movie, I was just throwing you people a bone about its Illuminati origins ... see I find it funny, I made the point that you were only reacting to The Secret mechanically and now you are saying I am reacting to V mechanically when I was just trying to make a point. Listen, I am not continuing. This is your bar, enjoy your world. Bye.

 

[cottoneye]

It can't be denied that V for Vendetta is riddled with Illuminati symbolism.
_http://youtube.com/watch?v=wndvxexejBM

 

[Zadius Sky]

It can't be denied that V for Vendetta is riddled with Illuminati symbolism.
_http://youtube.com/watch?v=wndvxexejBM

I am curious why you are focusing so much on the Illuminati symbolism in the movie. I have seen the video (which also included a clip from "DaVinci Code" movie), and it seems to me that these symbolism were purposely put there for anyone to find.

As kenlee said, the message of the movie is the nature of the psychopaths ruling our lives. And, this movie strikely parellals to today's society...that we are being ruled by the psychopaths.

 

[j0da]

Listen, I am not continuing. This is your bar, enjoy your world. Bye.

Don't forget the song!

"Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye
Cheerio, here I go, on my way.."

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Anyone in any condition can achieve awakening.

That assumes that all humans have the same potential to achieve the same levels of mental and emotional understanding. What data do you have to make such an assumption? There is plenty of data to the contrary.

Meditation isn't about coccooning yourself, it's about connecting to everything going on in the whole entire universe!

It can also be about "pretending to connect to everything while completely ignoring and missing what is happening in the world because you were too busy meditating". For example, many people who spend most of their time meditating instead of paying attention to the news, have no idea that certain things happened in the world. Meditation did not replace the media. It did not replace interaction with people. It did not replace life. All it ended up doing is shutting life out.

You detach from your identifications and connect with god - that's meditation/focus if done properly.

And what is god? Why would you assume that god is only where you say he is - and not anywhere else? Who says that god is not the world, the universe, everything? If you are meditating, you are not paying attention to the world, you are not interacting with people or the environment around you. Who said that all those people, the environment, the world, everything that exists, is not god? Who said that to "connect with god" you have to tune it all out and meditate instead of actively and consciously paying attention to it and interacting with it?

Who said that god is any more real inside your mind, and any less real when you speak with your mother, father, friend, neighbor, or stranger? Sounds like you decided to tell god what he can and cannot be, where he is to be found, and where he is missing or lacking. Do you honestly think you can do that?

I don't know about "god", but I do know that reality has different paths you can take. Path of objectivity and path of subjectivity. Some refer to this as "faces of god" - that if god is EVERYTHING you can never be any more or less connected to god. But you can be more or less connected to different aspects of god - all are equally god, but just different manifestations of same. So the question then becomes not whether you are "close or far" from god, but which "face of god" you choose to embrace. Objectivity or subjectivity? Knowledge or ignorance? Truth or illusion?

Consciousness will work through all people.

Ok, but let's not assume the role of consciousness as it is doing this. Consciousness works through a wolf that devours a rabbit. It works through a psychopath that manipulates and controls and kills millions. Consciousness, god, universe, all that is - whatever - works from all sides becuase all aspects of existence are equally valid and equally important. I would not advise to put a subjective limitation on what consciousness is and what it does, nor on god, nor on reality itself. If you have attached your definition of consciousness to your own personal subjective definition of "good", which it sounds like you did, good luck with that. But nobody has ever won a staring contest with the universe by telling it what it can or cannot be. Some people can only work with the entropic side of consciousness. So yes consciousness will work through them - and the results will be death, destruction, control, lies, ignorance, manipulation, and entropic decay and eventual destruction of the civilization that ignores it (like ours). My suggestion would be to stop subjectively romanticizing words like "god" and "consciousness" and "waking up" in your mind. But hey, it's your mind. Or is it?

As far as being in the wrong bar, true, this feels like an energy waste, just a distraction and I won't continue after this post.

That is true, this forum is a huge energy waste when your energy is ponerized, deceiving, and subjective and therefore is unable to find resonance and influence here. So the source of the energy will indeed perceive it as a huge waste of his energy/time. We do not mean to distract you from connecting to your god. Indeed, taking your definition of god, any attempt to network and work with others to collect and share data is a major disconnection from god and a distraction.

By the way, from a political perspective, V for Vendetta seemed to me to be an obvious Illuminati movie meant to provoke end-times Monarch programming.

Allow me to point out the irony that your obsession with "illuminati" is precisely what can be called "end-times Monarch programming". That is, making people blame individuals and groups for the world's evils, instead of the far more universal cause.

Arent the Wachowski Bros. known agents?

Known by whom? Agents of what?

The Matrix was Illuminati-themed all the way. Still was a good movie though.

There goes your end-times monarch programming kicking in again..

 

[Beau]

If meditation didn't do it for you, try something else. Shake your head and hold a rock.

First you offer blanket statments, then when you are called out on them, you just offer a non sequitur. The responses you were given did not say that meditation didn't work for them, but that what you were saying contained many assumptions/fallacies.

That will uncork the energy for you.

Who said they wanted energy uncorked? Seems to me you are projecting here. You are the one who wishes to uncork energy.

Of course V for Vendetta was a good movie, I was just throwing you people a bone about its Illuminati origins

Or so you think. Too bad we are not a gullible bunch.

... see I find it funny, I made the point that you were only reacting to The Secret mechanically and now you are saying I am reacting to V mechanically when I was just trying to make a point.

You made a point? What point? Please point out to me where you showed us our mechanical reactions to The Secret. The only thing you gave us was your subjective opinion of a highly questionable nature. But now we're the bad guys??? Nice twist.

 

[Cyre2067]

So I haven't really been exposed to 'The Secret' other then hearing it mentioned here or there, and until recently no one I knew was 'into it'. So I read the whole thread from the beginning, and I must say it's an enlightening read. It's important to note how external consideration would lend one toward not revealing the dark secret about 'the secret' to those who seem to be 'into it'.

Thus my quandry: I have a friend whom I haven't seen in months, she's young, talented, and likely to begin a successful music career. She's not asking (or doesn't seem to be) for more details on 'the secret' yet the blabber-mouth in me always wants to egotistically throw the truth out there. I think it's some sort of ego-program, I'm not quite sure. Nonetheless, I was wondering, how to go about discussing 'the secret' while remaining externally considerate? Or perhaps the externally considerate thing to do is to Keep Silent.

When pondering that option another program pops up and posits "Well how can you be her friend if you don't share with her the knowledge that she's being mislead?"

Ah a resolution: "Real friends respect others free will to learn their lessons and thus to knowingly allow others to be mislead in order for them to learn what they must. I should keep silent until she asks for more info about 'the secret.'"

Sounds right.

 

[42k4n3]

My friend introduced me to "the Secret' over a year ago. From the outset, I could see that from the angle they were approaching, it was aimed at those looking to fill an inner-void that they think can only be satisfied by external gratification. "you want more money? visualize it.' etc. But I still watched it to the end and took with me the tidbits of semi-truths laid within the presentation. The way I see it, The Law of Attraction and YCYOR is a layman's way of explaining that there is more to the universe than just the external physical forces we interact with each day. Actually I think that it opened me to the concept of other realities (densities) with Esther Hicks and her channeling of "Abraham" in the original release (She dropped herself from the movie and book as it began to make waves after the Oprah endorsement) that I must say has made my mind more open to laura and the C's transcripts which I discovered soon after. I must honestly say that if it were not for that, I don't think I would have been so drawn to the C's material were it not for my introduction to "Abraham" in 'the secret.'

Anyway, more to your dilemma Cyre, Against my better judgment, I bought the book for my parents for x-mas last year. I saw it as a doorway to give them a bridge so that I may better communicate to them of the Work. I know books along the lines of Casteneda and Gurdjieff would be taking a quantum leap for them, so I saw this as nice primary reader. Kind of like the "see spot run' books we had when being introduced to reading in school.

Well thankfully, my mother was able to see the aims of material gains strewn throughout the pages with its material matter, but the spirit of the matter, to me is what is important. Those who want to delve deeper into workings of the universe are more than welcome to. In that we are all attractors, but it is quite irresponsible on a universal scale to just shake off your own responsibility and blame it on your 'feelings' when something does not go quite the way you planned it. Where is the lesson in that? Best I can suggest (and I am sure there are others on the forum who might be better able to convey this) is to not tear her veil of 'the secret' completely away from her, but just let her know that tapping into 'the secret' is merely scratching the surface. As for how to best approach it I'm not sure. Perhaps it will have to be on an occasion when/if her beliefs in it fail her and is looking for an answer why. Perhaps that is the Lesson.

I'm not sure if this helped any, but that's my views and experiences with it.

 

[anart]

I saw it as a doorway to give them a bridge so that I may better communicate to them of the Work. I know books along the lines of Casteneda and Gurdjieff would be taking a quantum leap for them, so I saw this as nice primary reader. Kind of like the "see spot run' books we had when being introduced to reading in school.

How very, very odd since 'The Secret' could not be further from 'The Work' if it tried - the two are, in fact, diametrically opposed. Throughout time, humanity has grasped on one level or another that there was more to reality than 'external forces' - your statement that The Secret and the whole YCYOR is the layman's way of explaining this seems woefully off-target. It would be closer to the mark to state that it is 'the layman's way' of closing out the world for one's own personal satisfaction. Odd indeed.