the fall of house gingerbread
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I thought the comic was hilarious. I'm sure many philosophers in history have been struggling with this same question, although it was framed as spirit and matter instead of man and house.
Perri475
Jedi
Yeah. I mean love and light leading you to 'being tasty with ketchup' isn't exactly "funny" but it's the truth. I think it's been taken out of context and when context was provided it was denied. I uses to read the web series back in high school. It ended up putting some pretty important questions in my head that education and religion wouldn't touched
I don't see why someone completely ignorant to this series can claim artists intentions and what not and then tell me my opinion (backed up by *context* is wrong). I didn't feel the need to explain myself because no one asked, but assumed. Calling something sick and twisted because you can only look at it one way is not "loving all the faces of god". This forum has uplifted me and set me on the right path. My sensibilities and ego are definitely fragile and I'm working on it. Just because this community isn't for me doesn't mean the knowledge accumulated isn't helpful. I see a bit of a hierarchy here
If I've missed the point of this forum then that is completely okay. I thought it opened the floor to discussions. Not one off statements of "disgust". Predispositions are not healthy and judging from Laura's response she had one in the moment of reading this comic. She's never read the series before and took the comic literally withoutnasking for context or exlenation. Completely subjective.
I don't see why someone completely ignorant to this series can claim artists intentions and what not and then tell me my opinion (backed up by *context* is wrong). I didn't feel the need to explain myself because no one asked, but assumed. Calling something sick and twisted because you can only look at it one way is not "loving all the faces of god". This forum has uplifted me and set me on the right path. My sensibilities and ego are definitely fragile and I'm working on it. Just because this community isn't for me doesn't mean the knowledge accumulated isn't helpful. I see a bit of a hierarchy here
If I've missed the point of this forum then that is completely okay. I thought it opened the floor to discussions. Not one off statements of "disgust". Predispositions are not healthy and judging from Laura's response she had one in the moment of reading this comic. She's never read the series before and took the comic literally withoutnasking for context or exlenation. Completely subjective.
Perri475
Jedi
And my comment on this seeming like a "popularity" contest was to address the 'clique' esque feeling among the group. New members seem to be treated with hostility unless they entirely agree with you. Humans tend to get that way and it certainly doesn't degrade the work that's been accomplished here. I just don't think this forum is for me. And that has nothing to do with my ego. I had to think long and hard about it. My ego wanted me to stay and to "prove I was smart" or whatever, but I'd rather continue my path without constriction.
This was a great starting point for my development and I am eternally greatful. And now people are popping back into my life with the realizations I have had
I'm putting together the pieces, but it's all so fast paced and trying to be an active part of this community is in turn getting in the way. Now that's not a fault of this community, it just doesn't line up with what I'm doing (networking IRL has just been infinitely more beneficial to me, but the networking already in place here serves as great framework). As I said, great starting point, but it's just not for me. I don't like how other's are treated here. I myself have been treated very well here and this has been the only thing reminiscent of 'confrontation' so far. It was the 'nail in the coffin', sure. And that could very well be because it happened to me, but honestly I feel like brought together full circle the way people are treated here.
One could say I'm leaving because of someone's opinion of a 4 panel comic, but another could say that I'm leaving because reacting to something calling it "sick" and "twisted" without understanding it leads to bitterness and predispositions. Which one is correct? Probably both depending on who's reading.
I will reiterate claiming authors intent without context while telling someone else their interpretation is inaccurate only speaks to how this forum operates towards members whos opinions aren't taken seriously. That doesn't promote discussion or growth.
This was a great starting point for my development and I am eternally greatful. And now people are popping back into my life with the realizations I have had
I'm putting together the pieces, but it's all so fast paced and trying to be an active part of this community is in turn getting in the way. Now that's not a fault of this community, it just doesn't line up with what I'm doing (networking IRL has just been infinitely more beneficial to me, but the networking already in place here serves as great framework). As I said, great starting point, but it's just not for me. I don't like how other's are treated here. I myself have been treated very well here and this has been the only thing reminiscent of 'confrontation' so far. It was the 'nail in the coffin', sure. And that could very well be because it happened to me, but honestly I feel like brought together full circle the way people are treated here.
One could say I'm leaving because of someone's opinion of a 4 panel comic, but another could say that I'm leaving because reacting to something calling it "sick" and "twisted" without understanding it leads to bitterness and predispositions. Which one is correct? Probably both depending on who's reading.
I will reiterate claiming authors intent without context while telling someone else their interpretation is inaccurate only speaks to how this forum operates towards members whos opinions aren't taken seriously. That doesn't promote discussion or growth.
Perri, IMO part of The Work is to be confrontated by others, I think we all have been through this "confrontation" as u say in some sort of way. Without that I don't think we can grow as a person neither as a community.
We are all here to share what we think eventhough we think it's right and some think its not or viceverse, its part of the feedback we are all in search for.
I didn't honestly find the joke inside the picture you posted. And I think it could be kind of selfish thinking that if some of us didn't find it funny then we are wrong as KayKim mentioned we all have our ideas and opinions.
For me all the work put together in this forum has helped me so much and I think all the members had put a great effort and done a great job.
We are all here to share what we think eventhough we think it's right and some think its not or viceverse, its part of the feedback we are all in search for.
I didn't honestly find the joke inside the picture you posted. And I think it could be kind of selfish thinking that if some of us didn't find it funny then we are wrong as KayKim mentioned we all have our ideas and opinions.
For me all the work put together in this forum has helped me so much and I think all the members had put a great effort and done a great job.
Perri475
Jedi
Sure I get that and can agree, although the first response didn't leave much of a door up for discussion. Then another member stated they felt the need to reply because of "multiple interpretations" (which at this point was myself and another member).
From where I stand I've found insight to not come from the literal message (cabala, the bible, alchemical text and so forth). That's not to compare this 4 panel comic to such works, but I feel the logic still stands: surface level provides minimum insight. All is one and transmutation of energy can be achieved through will power via choosing to transmute 'negative energy'.
So if all this is stuff practiced here can't we take an "authors intentions" (only assumptions made so far as to the authors intentions, BTW I have read plenty of other comics in the series, but I feel that the context I have hardly matters to some people here.) and use them for good? Rather than calling them disgusting. I didn't want to be harsh but if you view this picture literally, you have *literally* missed the point.
The sites material deals with depression, existentialism, politics, morality, religion and so forth
Not making "sick' and " twisted" jokes about gingerman. To me the truth is just as "sick" and "twisted" depending on how you choose to navigate through it.
From where I stand I've found insight to not come from the literal message (cabala, the bible, alchemical text and so forth). That's not to compare this 4 panel comic to such works, but I feel the logic still stands: surface level provides minimum insight. All is one and transmutation of energy can be achieved through will power via choosing to transmute 'negative energy'.
So if all this is stuff practiced here can't we take an "authors intentions" (only assumptions made so far as to the authors intentions, BTW I have read plenty of other comics in the series, but I feel that the context I have hardly matters to some people here.) and use them for good? Rather than calling them disgusting. I didn't want to be harsh but if you view this picture literally, you have *literally* missed the point.
The sites material deals with depression, existentialism, politics, morality, religion and so forth
Not making "sick' and " twisted" jokes about gingerman. To me the truth is just as "sick" and "twisted" depending on how you choose to navigate through it.
obyvatel
The Living Force
I did not see the humor in the cartoon.
Perri475, you seem upset that Laura did not like the cartoon and called it as she saw it. To me it looks like you are having an emotional reaction over the fact that everyone here do not share your perception about what is funny. Now you are weaving a narrative around that emotional reaction, bringing forth esoteric concepts and how this forum mistreats new members.
Nobody asked you to leave the forum over a cartoon. If you feel the forum is not for you, it is your choice. I would only suggest that you take a deep breath and reflect on this whole episode and see if you find "a storm in a teacup".
Perri475, you seem upset that Laura did not like the cartoon and called it as she saw it. To me it looks like you are having an emotional reaction over the fact that everyone here do not share your perception about what is funny. Now you are weaving a narrative around that emotional reaction, bringing forth esoteric concepts and how this forum mistreats new members.
Nobody asked you to leave the forum over a cartoon. If you feel the forum is not for you, it is your choice. I would only suggest that you take a deep breath and reflect on this whole episode and see if you find "a storm in a teacup".
Buddy
The Living Force
Perri475 said:
I see nothing wrong with that, but what surprises me are your later reactions to other members. Maybe my little analysis here can explain what I'm thinking a bit better.
I found the cartoon kind of funny along with a bit of cognitive dissonance. I can interpret the cartoon in a way that I think I see the intended source of the humor. It's like this gingerbread guy finds himself in an existentialist confusion - a failure of dualistic/binary logic in the face of unity, right?
He realizes both he and the house are made of gingerbread. So his quandary is really more like: OMG is man made of house or is house made of man, and cannot see or accept that both is true in his case (failure of either/or logic).
So yeah, it might have come across as funnier to me initially if it were not for the reference to "flesh." Where'd that come from anyway? Why would a gingerbread man in a gingerbread house, living a gingerbread life, come up with the concept of flesh? Can you see any dissonance here? A sort of "wrong context, bub" thing?
Other members might disregard the flesh reference and just laugh at the exaggerated reaction of "screaming." That kind of describes me too. Others may see humor elsewhere or nowhere.
You'll notice that whitecoast wasn't afraid to comment that it was "hilarious" even after what Laura and others said and I'm more aligned to the stated reasons as well. And whitecoast is a certified EE practitioner and teacher for the group holding classes in Canada, so what's the deal? What really gives with you? Why can't people have their own views of anything and everything...even if they are completely opposite yours? Do you think you will be tied to a stake and given 40 lashes or something? Surely not, or I'm outta here too! :D
We all come from different backgrounds, different experiences and have differing types and kinds of self-development under our belt. Even where one specific member finds something funny one day, his/her view might be completely different on the next day. So, I think there's good reason to lighten up a bit and carry on learning...
Just my thoughts.
Perri475 said:
To be honest, I didn't get the joke at all, even after reading it several times. It wasn't neither twisted or funny for me. Perhaps it's a cultural thing, as I come from a different culture. But apparently others also didn't get it, or saw it as distasteful. Also notice that some found it funny too.
Ok, so the joke fell flat. It happens, not a big deal. But does it mean that forum members are being uninviting or rude toward newbies? That's really stretching it, considering the fact that many members, new and old, really make an effort to make new members feel welcomed. Facts kind of speak for themselves, that out of many that come here and stay, we only get a few that are being offended by something and then make sweeping generalizations regarding the rest of the visitors. It's ok and pretty understandable, and for us, older forum members it is also important to make an effort and improve on an everyday basis. After all, that is the purpose of this forum.
It's possible that there is a room for improvement, and if you or anyone else have genuine grievances, they can be discussed in the relevant threads. In this particular case, however, it does look like a "tempest in a teacup", and potentially missed opportunity to just heed the lesson and move on.
Nowadays, "Flesh" almost always has a dark connotation (gore, zombies, carnal, etc.). For those raised on that meaning it's pretty strange to hear others using the word in ordinary contexts. If you see it in a webcomic it's probably not being used in the traditional sense.
BTW, here is a link to the comic series this comes from:
http://explosm.net/
I admit I did almost laugh at the OP's comic, and laughed at some of those I clicked through, but in general they don't strike me as deep or contemplative at all.
BTW, here is a link to the comic series this comes from:
http://explosm.net/
I admit I did almost laugh at the OP's comic, and laughed at some of those I clicked through, but in general they don't strike me as deep or contemplative at all.
Perri475
Jedi
I wouldn't call it deep or contemplative either.. Haven't been a reader since I was 12. I see that I misinterpreted a lot of what was being said. Obviously a disagreement of a joke shouldn't be enough to drive me away.
It is hard to see intent through a computer screen but I do appreciate everyone taking the time to clarify as everyone's responses make a lot more sense now.
It is hard to see intent through a computer screen but I do appreciate everyone taking the time to clarify as everyone's responses make a lot more sense now.
I don't hold it against you, I've been in the same boat many times.
After seeing so many mistakes of this general kind, many of them my own, I would caution trying at all to see someone's "intent" on the forum. Respond to what they SAY, not to what you feel they "intend". You can remark on what you think they intend off-hand, but don't make your whole post about it, otherwise it could be a simple misunderstanding but the whole thread gets derailed. The more literal the better - IE "PS. I feel like this guy is missing the joke and ranting about it just to appear righteous".
That may feel like it takes the wind out of your sales, but that's actually a good thing for the Work. It brings sobriety. After you've lost your momentum you need a reason to push off again and that makes you think carefully about what you really want from the interaction. It also gives you a chance to let go of any confrontational or negative thought patterns that you can identify.
After seeing so many mistakes of this general kind, many of them my own, I would caution trying at all to see someone's "intent" on the forum. Respond to what they SAY, not to what you feel they "intend". You can remark on what you think they intend off-hand, but don't make your whole post about it, otherwise it could be a simple misunderstanding but the whole thread gets derailed. The more literal the better - IE "PS. I feel like this guy is missing the joke and ranting about it just to appear righteous".
That may feel like it takes the wind out of your sales, but that's actually a good thing for the Work. It brings sobriety. After you've lost your momentum you need a reason to push off again and that makes you think carefully about what you really want from the interaction. It also gives you a chance to let go of any confrontational or negative thought patterns that you can identify.
Perri475
Jedi
monotonic said:
Wow that makes so much sense. Wording it like that shines a light on how not responding to what's being said, but what someone thinks is intended only derails the topic at hand. I didn't realize it in the moment, but I see how I derailed the discussion. I could've stated all I wanted to without projecting as I did. That certainly didn't help convey my point and definitely made it harder to see where everyone was coming from
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