The Forgotten Exodus: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution


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Just wanted to share something fascinating I stumbled upon the other day.

Right now a very important dating analysis going on at Yakutia site. The site is called Diring-Yuryakh.

Apparently this site has the potential of overturning completely the "out of Africa" theory. But will see. As the article bellow explains, this theory was met with a firce opposition since the discovery of this location. But now they are going to utilise the power of supernovae to find out the truth! :wizard:

Here's the link to the article auto translated to English.

Russian scientists have begun to study the site of the ancient man Diring-Yuryakh in Central Yakutia, which is the main mystery of Russian archeology and is capable of overturning world knowledge about the early history of mankind...

To begin with, you need to understand that the Diring-Yuryakh camp is located on the right bank of the Lena River, 200 kilometers above Yakutsk. It was accidentally discovered in 1982 by geologists who were preparing to show a section of the ancient Tabaginskaya river terrace on the Lena River on the eve of the geological congress. Geologists stumbled upon ancient human bone remains that belonged to a child of 8-9 years old. After that, they immediately turned to the Prilensk archaeological expedition led by Yuri Mochanov and Svetlana Fedoseeva.

At first, historians did not attach much importance to the find. They dug a monument as a Neolithic settlement of the Ymyakhtakh culture of the second millennium BC. Five graves were examined. Everything changed on October 9, 1982, when archaeologists, who were finishing dismantling the Neolithic layer, began to come across stone tools of a completely archaic appearance. Subsequently, taking into account the typology of tools and the stratigraphy of the section in which the artifacts were found, Yuri Mochanov dated this monument to 1.8 million years. In addition, we note that the early layers of the Diring-Yuryakh site are mixed with the river sediments of the Lena, which are 2 to 3 million years old.

All this together would put the Yakut monument on a par with the most ancient sites of primitive man found in the Olduvai Gorge of Tanzania (Africa). Since the 1930s, it was examined by the couple Louis and Mary Leakey, who in 1959 found here the remains of an ancient hominid, dated 1.8-1.6 million years. Thanks to these and subsequent works, the Olduvai Gorge is still considered the ancestral home of mankind. The find of Academician Mochanov cast doubt on this theory. Moreover, the scientist suggested that in Siberia Homo habilis ("skillful man") could appear earlier than in Africa.

Unfortunately, Mochanov's position on the possible "extratropical origin of man" met with fierce resistance in the scientific community both in the Soviet Union and abroad.
Moreover, all the results of his research have not yet been published. Mochanov himself tried to conduct research with the maximum degree of openness. Exploration was carried out on an area of more than 150 thousand square meters, and the excavation area reached 30 thousand square meters. At various times, Diring Yuryakh was visited by leading Soviet archaeologists and geologists, as well as the famous Norwegian geographer Thor Heyerdahl.

In the 1990s, the study of Deering-Yuryakh was curtailed, funding was cut off. The last were the Americans: in 1997, Michael Waters, Stephen Foreman and James Pearson published their dating of the site, determining its age in the range of 370-260 thousand years. True, they used thermoluminescent analysis - at that time not the most developed and rather controversial dating method for such ancient samples. Simply put, the dating they received is at the limit of antiquity that this method allows to work with. Yuri Mochanov passed away on October 20, 2020. Disputes over the dating of Deering-Yuryakh and its place in the ancient history of mankind continue to this day.

[...]n August 2021, during field studies, the geological section in the area of the Diring-Yuryakh site was re-examined. The expedition members took samples from the underlying and overlying layers, as well as from the cultural layer itself. To determine their age, a modern set of dating methods will be used, including cosmogenic dating, when the age of samples is determined by the traces of cosmic radiation that is formed as a result of supernova explosions. This part of the research will take place in laboratories.[...]

We add that, in addition to the Diring-Yuryakh site, there is another controversial object of this kind in Russia. This is the Ulalinskaya site, known among archaeologists, on the outskirts of Gorno-Altaysk (Altai Territory). It was discovered by Academician Alexei Okladnikov back in 1961. At the bottom of the terrace, the scientist found several pebbles of yellow quartzite with traces of rough processing. In their appearance, they resembled the oldest artifacts from the Punjab province (India) and Africa. Okladnikov himself dated the Ulalino site 1.7 million years ago and, like Mochanov Diring-Yuryakh, correlated it with Homo habilis.

Despite all the authority of the scientist, who is one of the pillars of the Ural and Siberian archeology, his position on the Ulalino site was not accepted.
Now the scientific community has agreed only that the upper limit of the age of the monument is 400-300 thousand years. The lower one has not yet been determined.


The Living Force
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Wow, that is amazing! Notice "all funding was cut off". What the heck?!

Politics have completely taken over and corrupted science. It's sad and infuriating at the same time.

Indeed! And no matter how much data from the discoveries you can present, they will still take that and disregard most of it. It reminds me when they categorize political arguments as conspiracy theory. Which most of it end up being the truth with time.


The Living Force
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Salon had an article out recently about Homo erectus being found on islands in the Aegean, which is seen as evidence of having some seafaring capabilities. As those of you who have read Into Africa know, the ability of Homo erectus to cross water from Indonesia to Guinea/Australia was an essential component to that theory that humans evolved in Australia.

Human ancestors may have learned to sail the sea 500,000 years ago

....the new paper suggests the foot-bridge theory probably didn't happen. Researchers reconstructed the shoreline of the Angean Island Chain, estimating the fluctuation of sea-level combined with the rate of the ground sinking due to tectonic plate activity. This data suggests that there's no way these islands would be accessible by foot, even if there were a major ice age. There would still be way too much water in the way, leaving the only explanation that they crossed another way — specifically, by sea.

"Therefore, the Aegean land/seascape motivated the archaic hominin to develop the necessary cognitive capabilities such as spatial awareness way-finding strategies and sea-craft building," the authors write. "And hence, the Aegean Sea may be considered the cradle of sea-crossing in the Mediterranean world."

This raises the question of why these ancient hominids would want to visit these islands. One theory is that they were hunting wild game, such as now-extinct dwarf elephants that lived in the region.

"These compel us to reconsider the general view, that sea-crossing was a skill innovated and used solely by H. sapiens but instead it had been earlier acquired by earlier hominin lineages in the Middle Pleistocene," the authors write. The Middle Pleistocene was a geological epoch that occurred between about 780,000 and 125,000 years ago. "Furthermore, considering that the archaic hominins were able to cross the Aegean Sea, they would also have been capable of crossing the Gibraltar Straits," which separate southern Spain and the northern coast of Africa.


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Salon had an article out recently about Homo erectus being found on islands in the Aegean, which is seen as evidence of having some seafaring capabilities.
In light of what the C's suggested in the last session, then a number of things would have to be reviewed. Perhaps in many cases, there wasn't such a great need for seafaring capabilities, if the landmasses were much closer together.
(Joe) Ya know the maps... What was that book called? Laurasia and Gondwana? So, the maps that show that...

(L) You mean in Witzel's book, Origins of the World's Mythology?

(Joe) Yeah. So, that make-up of the land masses are said to be from the Triassic and Jurassic eras, 200 to 150 million years ago. They put these dates on them. But are those depictions of the land masses actually closer to how the land masses were in more recent times?

A: Yes. Also some landmasses sink and others rise. But for general understanding, those maps work well enough.

Q: (Joe) So we're talking about possibly that's the way the land masses were - close enough - pre-Younger Dryas? Pre the end of the last Ice Age?

A: Earlier. More like 70k years ago more or less. But with ongoing modifications between then and now. Also ongoing.




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There is a new fascinating paper:

Here are the highlights translated from Russian:

There is a new scientific sensation in Russia. Scientists discovered mysterious ancient people in the Altai. No, these are not a tribe lost in the mountains. These are people lost for centuries - or rather, for thousands of years. And they found them through DNA analysis. The results of a study by geneticists from the Max Planck Institute and the University of Tübingen (Germany), the National University of South Korea and Fudan University (PRC) have just been published in the journal Current Biology.

In the main roles - 10 people who lived in the Altai 7,500 years ago. More precisely, their remains. It turned out that these were representatives of a hitherto unknown to science civilization (if we can say so for the primitive Stone Age people). The place of action is Altai, where the borders of Russia, Kazakhstan, China and Mongolia converge. And in ancient times everything was even more interesting and diverse!

- Different groups of Siberians of the last ice age mingled here", German researcher Kosimo Post shares details of this amazing discovery.

And it would be okay if they mingled once. It seems that people in those days easily moved over vast distances and had common children with new acquaintances from distant lands. Genetic relatives of ancient people from Altai can be found among the primitive inhabitants of the Baikal region and the present Far East, among the representatives of the archaeological Okunev culture (this is the modern Omsk region), and in the Tarim mummies found in the Xinjiang-Uigur Autonomous Region of China, and even among the ancient inhabitants of Japan.

Almost the main DNA-sensation of the same study: across the Bering Strait people in ancient times not only moved from Asia to America (this has long been known), but walked back and forth. The Bering Strait, recall, divides Chukotka (Asia) and Alaska (America). There were times when the level of the ocean was lower than it is now, and an isthmus was formed between the continents.

And people moved from Chukotka to America. So - it turns out that there was a reverse flow of DNA (and therefore people). From America to Asia. For at least 5,000 years, there were several waves of migration. From Siberia to America, then back again.
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