The Hare Krishna corporation!

loreta

loreta

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This is a video about the big corporation named ISKCON that represents the Hare Krishna movement. It is incredible. They had a lot of money. From whom? Who knows? Are they just doing legal business? That's a rhetoric question.

(My husband doesn't have the proof but in the early 70's in Montreal he knew someone that affirmed that plenty of hashish was coming from the Hare Krishna temple in Montreal. He doesn't mean by that that the Hare Krishna people needed hashish , but that the head of the Temple was a supplier).

This is video propaganda and I found it very annoying to see brainwash people and to see people that sing and dance constantly. And to see also all this corporation in the name of God. Frightening.

http://krishnatube.com/video/34/The-Hare-Krishna-People-1974
 
check this.
_http://www.rickross.com/reference/krishna/krishna109.html
_http://www.rickross.com/reference/krishna/krishna111.html

Not sure narcotics is isolated case of ponerised individuals or institutional.

Look at the timing of this. 60/70's , it looks like anti dote to 60's awakening. they distributed thousands of tons of books around the world, after founder came with nothing in his pocket.

singing is cathartic ( Vagus Nerve) but the cost is Vegetarianism ( so the slew of auto immune diseases ) and No smoking. Every thing is God, Guru or hierarchy. So blindly at the mercy of hierarchy.

Can some body survive of this big operation just with selling incents /scents or supplying them to temples or donations?. I don't know. It doesn't seems to add up. One thing is Hindu temples serve as a free locations or promoters until they are on their legs.

couple of times, I talked to this hare krishna gang in new age shows. They are very pushy in their arguments, can't tolerate much questioning or they put this street circus shows effectively near high profile locations and at new age expo's and near hindu temples with their color, music and big bangs. One thing is true- establishment is fully supported this ( including PRO video you mentioned -looks like CBS report) and we all know where it all leads to .
 
A pretty comprehensive list of news regarding the group at _http://www.rickross.com/groups/krishna.html
 
Thank you for the links. I am very surprise about the Hare Krishna. I didn't think they were so brainwash, but since 11 years that I live in Spain I did not see one Hare Krishna member and I forget about them. In Montreal they are everywhere and I never questioned their attitude because I was unaware about many things that I start to see now, thanks to this forum and Sott. The other day seeing the video that Sott.net made about Scientology we start to talk my husband and me about the Hare Krishna... and questioning them. Yesterday seeing their propaganda video they reminded me the Jehovah Witnesses, their automatic response and analysis of the world around us...


I agree, chanting is good, but chanting all day is like refusing the silence. And I didn't like their attitude towards their children. So beautiful and so fragile and so brainwash! They can become very easily de la chair a demon (food for the demons) in the world around us.

I think the Hare Krishna people are good people but they are manipulated. I accept everyone with their philosophies of life but I don't like manipulation and I don't think you can change the world dancing and chanting all day and working free for any big corporation!

And me too I thought that vegetarianism and non-smoking made them good food.
 
seek10 said:
check this.
_http://www.rickross.com/reference/krishna/krishna109.html
_http://www.rickross.com/reference/krishna/krishna111.html

Not sure narcotics is isolated case of ponerised individuals or institutional.

Look at the timing of this. 60/70's , it looks like anti dote to 60's awakening. they distributed thousands of tons of books around the world, after founder came with nothing in his pocket.

singing is cathartic ( Vagus Nerve) but the cost is Vegetarianism ( so the slew of auto immune diseases ) and No smoking. Every thing is God, Guru or hierarchy. So blindly at the mercy of hierarchy.

Can some body survive of this big operation just with selling incents /scents or supplying them to temples or donations?. I don't know. It doesn't seems to add up. One thing is Hindu temples serve as a free locations or promoters until they are on their legs.
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I stayed with some monks many, many years back for some weeks. I have them in good memory and I liked them a lot, but there were also things I really, really disliked: some "gurus" are a bit off, preaching only the 'one' book and everything else is questioned and criticized. Not from all the monks but from some even harder, kind of "we are right and you are false" and I have to convince you. What put me off, was a discussion about women, where one swami in a lecture said women are kind of stupid.

To the money, as far as I know some are also going to work and earning money. And they got food from markets, where they are bought stuff, that otherwise big markets would throw away.


loreta said:
I agree, chanting is good, but chanting all day is like refusing the silence. And I didn't like their attitude towards their children. So beautiful and so fragile and so brainwash! They can become very easily de la chair a demon (food for the demons) in the world around us.
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At a certain point chanting just gets automatic and to chant as many times as possible on a day the hare rama.

loreta said:
I think the Hare Krishna people are good people but they are manipulated. I accept everyone with their philosophies of life but I don't like manipulation and I don't think you can change the world dancing and chanting all day and working free for any big corporation!
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They are good people, many I met and for some it is also a refuge out of drug addiction, to do something better/good and to start a new way of life. It's like what Laura said in the podcasts: "There is a disinformation program literally for everyone no matter who you are and what your interests, what your beliefs are, which way you're focusing, there is a website setup just for you, to take you in and to vector your thinking and your attention, to the way that they want you to think."
 
We used to have a friend whose life was devoted to Hare Krishna. He wanted to become a HK monk. And since we're just too curious for our own good, we would sometimes accompany him during Hare Krishna festivals or to the biggest HK center in Belgium (in this castle: http://www.trans4mator.nl/kasteel-septon-durbuy.jpg).

There were different 'profiles' (and hence different types of 'donations'): enthusiasts like my friend gave what they could; more active participants who had moved the closest possible to the castle who gave at least 10-20% of their revenues (some gave 50%); monks who had given up life in the real world brought with them their savings and possessions to give to the HK centre. They also sell a lot of publications (in the street, etc.), products (CD's, DVD's, snacks, etc.), they often have restaurants, they have large festivals for which they charge an admission fee. Plus they have regular donators and some 'stars' must have been generous with them as well (members of the Rubettes, maybe Boy George?).

So, that's already quite a nice sum right there and then. Maybe there is more, as Loreta suggested. I don't know. On the other hand, in my country, for years, they used to give food every Saturday to all the homeless people (and anyone asking) without trying to convince anyone.

Laura said:
There is a disinformation program literally for everyone no matter who you are and what your interests, what your beliefs are, which way you're focusing, there is a website setup just for you, to take you in and to vector your thinking and your attention, to the way that they want you to think."
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Indeed. My friend's father was a really wealthy banker having an big agra business on the side and his capitalist ways really disgusted my friend to the point of driving him into the arms of the Hare Krishna. We often talked with some of the monks at the castle and most of them seemed like genuinely nice people. They all looked so sad. Many were really young (the vast majority was not even 20).

We kept on going because the food was so good :lol:
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
We kept on going because the food was so good :lol:
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Particularly that puffed Rasagulla that melts in mouth made with wheat/Rice and TON of sugar.. WE used to run around the temples on festive days to sample this food (prasadam). :lol:
 
My limited experience many years ago. I never really had much contact until my last year in college I went to one of their centers in Brooklyn as a research project for a class ("Semiotics of Eating"). The food was quite tasty and the people seemed pretty laid back and nice.

My girlfriend at the time and I talked with a bunch of them for a couple of hours and I didn't get much of a negative feeling. They didn't seem to be imposing their beliefs on us. (My girlfriend accompanied me, but was not in the class I was doing the research for).

Now, I have quite a different impression. My brother's girlfriend is greatly influenced by one who converted and left Armenia and lives in France. He was her first art teacher. This guy is a real preachy type. (I've never met him in person). From all the stories my brother and a friend (who studied with him in art school) tell me, combined with his influence on my brother's girlfriend, he's really bad news -- the typical "guru" full of hot air.

My friend tells me that he has his wife and kids in Paris turned into robots who must listen and agree with everything he says and does. He preaches against smoking, eating meat, etc. to anyone and everyone. He will not allow any alcohol in his house, so a guest bringing a bottle of wine creates a real situation, etc.

He also travels and give lectures. He had one of these events several months ago in the Ukraine for about a week or so. When my brother's girlfriend returned from it, he was saying she was really spaced out and unable to think critically. She also has quite a bit of health problems including mental / wild mood swings, etc. because of her vegetarian diet.

They (Hare Krishna organizations) occasionally have someone come and lecture here. I've never gone to any, but my brother went with his girlfriend to one a couple of months ago just to see what they're about. Seems another bunch of mumbo jumbo to vector anyone looking for other, non-mainstream lifestyles, philosophies, etc. Like anything else, there's a spectrum of down to earth, non-pushy types, all the way to very militant types who have a need to tell everyone else how they must live.

But the overall impression I've gotten from the snippets here and there is that it's just another New Age COINTELPRO type mumbo jumbo.
 
I always had the impression that the Hare Krishna people were very gentle, and they surely are, and very "natural", refusing the system of consumerism and for me that was good. But after taking conscience about COINTELPRO I me too agree in that sense. They are pacifists and this is a good point for them. My critic is not against this phylosophy but instead against their gurus, that make big money. Ok, many artists give money to them ( I remember George Harrison gave to them a big amount of it). In the video that I put a link at the end of it when we see Hare Krishna people in Mexico, the guy who talks to some peasants is clear: he say that they need a guru to follow the way.

I used to think that humanity needs priests to pray for the human condition. I am not sure of that anymore. Pray is good, but what we need is more than prayers. And now I am aware that I am judging. Who am I to judge someone who give his life to the pray? :-[ If I accept the art of Andrei Rublev, that painted saints and virgins , not because he refused to see this world but because he taught that painting beautiful images was a way to meditate about it. Why I am criticizing others ways expressing art? The paints of Krishna are beautiful! As beautiful then the art of Andrei Rublev.

What annoys me is that I have the impression that all cults are refusing to see the world as it is. That the people are in this cult because the world is to dangerous to live in it, and to confront it. All religions exists in a kind of protection, and a barrier for change. I included the catholic religion, the biggest cult of this planet.
 
loreta said:
What annoys me is that I have the impression that all cults are refusing to see the world as it is. That the people are in this cult because the world is to dangerous to live in it, and to confront it. All religions exists in a kind of protection, and a barrier for change. I included the catholic religion, the biggest cult of this planet.
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From what I know about the HK is that they would accept anyone as long as they were following their religion, thus all kind of disenfranchised people are to be found in the HK groups, for better and for worse.

I knew about one old punk who went to prison for armed robbery and he joined the mouvement afterwards.
I think they are an easy target for any kind of psychopaths who would join them.

I found some of them quite aggressive or even rude, quite the opposite of the idea I had about someone who would be religious.
Apart reading, meditating, doing the chores, dancing and chanting I don't think they were working on themselves like we mean it here at all.
 
Just an anedcote here -- coincidentally, I stumbled upon audio of a George Harrison interview last week that I'd never heard before, from the early 90s, I think. He described how he felt that the core HK philosophy was good, but he disagreed with the directions some of the organization were going in, and particularly with their outward displays. He said that, for him, the philosophy was something to practice internally.
 
I had a negative encounter back in the 70's before they moved into the Fisher Mansion in Detroit. They were staying in another river front mansion after moving out of their first temple on Jefferson Ave and a friend and I went to see the temple, They wouldn't answer the door so we sort of hung out for a little while. They came out finally and talk about an attitude problem, nothing like the friendly HK's you normally run into. They acted really funny like and defensive, as if they were hiding something, really suspicious and basically chased us off the property. I never cared for them after that!
Well, a few years ago I started looking into this group again because I converted to Hinduism, and thought maybe I could get some guidance with scripture, I'm now a devoted atheist by the way, and what I found out made me want to have nothing to do with this group. Srila Prabhupada is supposed to have been poisoned and his movement usurped by his closest devotee's. Then the child molestation charges and lawsuits that followed and murder, sex, drugs, guns and false guru's etc. Not something I would've wanted to be part of.
ISKCON reminds me of the hardcore bible thumpers, I lost all respect for them. Child molesters man, this is unforgivable, sounds like another mainstream religion by the way! The one that aided thousands of Nazi war criminals to escape justice and gave sanctuary to pedophiles. These people are despicable and give true Hindu's a bad name! Religion? Go figure!
My apologies, I do not mean to be offensive...but these kind of actions from supposed "good guys" gets me sort of hot under the collar. I'm so grateful for the computer age, otherwise I would have never known.
Besides the fact that these people are fundamentalists, they are not a true reflection of Sanatana Dharma. Being one of the oldest religions, Hinduism is also one of the most tolerant and accepting of other religions. ISKCON may put up a good front, but I would advise everyone to stay as far away as possible! There are plenty of traditional Hindu temples scattered across the country.
Folks think of India as a poor third world country, but in my opinion, they are by far the richest spiritually. I still find comfort reading the Bhagavad-gita from the International Gita Society, as I feel this is an owners manual for the soul? That's just me though.
 
i knew some hare krishnas a few years back. nice guys, they fed the homeless and sold books. i bought a couple of the books, they were ok to read. i think with the religions that the people in the masses are ok but the higher ups i wouldn't trust. especially the pope, he makes me shudder a little when i see him.
 
This website takes the reader down quite a dark rabbit-hole, much of what cherokeemist describes: pedophilia, drug-dealing, swindling, murder......

_http://www.harekrsna.org/history.htm

I grew up near New Vrindaban during the much-publicized murders of the 80's yet still found the page on it's Manson-eyed leader and the ugliness that went on there shocking.(_http://www.harekrsna.org/kirtanananda-hist.htm)

Shades of Darkness Over Tibet.
 
cholas said:
This website takes the reader down quite a dark rabbit-hole, much of what cherokeemist describes: pedophilia, drug-dealing, swindling, murder......

_http://www.harekrsna.org/history.htm

I grew up near New Vrindaban during the much-publicized murders of the 80's yet still found the page on it's Manson-eyed leader and the ugliness that went on there shocking.(_http://www.harekrsna.org/kirtanananda-hist.htm)

Shades of Darkness Over Tibet.
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This is lot of criminal proof. It looks this movement is CRIMINAL and Hijacked by those minded people from the word 'GO' in 70's. No wonder they filled all over new age scene for more than 30 years and No authority ( instead promoted )did any thing to shut them down.
 
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