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Dagobah Resident
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. I think the brain takes the drums/snare as a 't' after 'meeee..'. In that way it's a good example how perception doesn't work like a thinking process at all, but very differently.
The "Mandela Effect"- Has my Bible changed? Or do I just have a bad memory like most people?
. I think the brain takes the drums/snare as a 't' after 'meeee..'. In that way it's a good example how perception doesn't work like a thinking process at all, but very differently.
I think, the issue is not whether time travel exist or not. When one is emotionally invested in some tree( conspiratoral time travel), they tend to forget about the forest and all the tree's in the forest are looked with the same lens. Cognitive science addresses this bias. That is what we are trying to say.
I classify Mandalla claims into two piles.
All the Berenstein bears and such go in one pile where simple cognitive/memory flaws seem altogether likely.
Then there are those stories which, when I hear them, tend to come from people who don't even know the term, "Mandela effect", and their examples are far more dramatic.
Here's a good one...
A friend of mine, when she was a teenager, had to walk up the road to a neighbor's for some reason. On the way, she encountered a downed power line and tree branch, blocking the road. She said there were sparks and foliage on fire. She carefully made her way around it on the far side of the road and arrived in a fluster at the neighbor's house and reported it. A call was put in to the power company and people were dispatched. However, they found nothing. All was normal. She was taken to the spot on the road and, sure enough, there was nothing out of the ordinary to see.
She was confused and upset and the adults were annoyed.
A few hours later, on her way back home, she came across the same scene; a downed branch and power line and burning foliage. She went home, and this time said nothing and felt like she was going crazy.
That kind of story I put into a different pile. -Of course, I don't know if there wasn't some mundane explanation for her experiences, (a particularly powerful dream mixed with old memories perhaps?), but they require a different level of analysis it would seem.
My personal thought when it comes to the effect of time adjustments: it seems reasonable to assume that our memory recording processes would be affected right along with reality. So unless we are operating at an advanced or abnormal level of awareness, such changes ought to be undetectable, or very difficult to detect. As I understand it, the feeling of Deja Vu might be the result in some cases of memory artifacts hanging over from moving through adjustment loops. A different kind of memory recording process engaged which is less tied to material 3D reality. -A sense which few develop beyond a vague instinct of something amiss.
When it comes to less extreme examples of Mandela Effect, I am more likely to take greater interest in stories which deal with reports of recent shifts; such as conversations or meetings from a day or two prior which others claim never happened. Long term memory is hopelessly unreliable. -Though I am loath to say "never". Those silly bears might actually be a genuine example of a time shift! It just doesn't seem likely to me.
All the Berenstein bears and such go in one pile where simple cognitive/memory flaws seem altogether likely.
Then there are those stories which, when I hear them, tend to come from people who don't even know the term, "Mandela effect", and their examples are far more dramatic.
Here's a good one...
A friend of mine, when she was a teenager, had to walk up the road to a neighbor's for some reason. On the way, she encountered a downed power line and tree branch, blocking the road. She said there were sparks and foliage on fire. She carefully made her way around it on the far side of the road and arrived in a fluster at the neighbor's house and reported it. A call was put in to the power company and people were dispatched. However, they found nothing. All was normal. She was taken to the spot on the road and, sure enough, there was nothing out of the ordinary to see.
She was confused and upset and the adults were annoyed.
A few hours later, on her way back home, she came across the same scene; a downed branch and power line and burning foliage. She went home, and this time said nothing and felt like she was going crazy.
That kind of story I put into a different pile. -Of course, I don't know if there wasn't some mundane explanation for her experiences, (a particularly powerful dream mixed with old memories perhaps?), but they require a different level of analysis it would seem.
My personal thought when it comes to the effect of time adjustments: it seems reasonable to assume that our memory recording processes would be affected right along with reality. So unless we are operating at an advanced or abnormal level of awareness, such changes ought to be undetectable, or very difficult to detect. As I understand it, the feeling of Deja Vu might be the result in some cases of memory artifacts hanging over from moving through adjustment loops. A different kind of memory recording process engaged which is less tied to material 3D reality. -A sense which few develop beyond a vague instinct of something amiss.
When it comes to less extreme examples of Mandela Effect, I am more likely to take greater interest in stories which deal with reports of recent shifts; such as conversations or meetings from a day or two prior which others claim never happened. Long term memory is hopelessly unreliable. -Though I am loath to say "never". Those silly bears might actually be a genuine example of a time shift! It just doesn't seem likely to me.
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Really, AI changing the Gettysburg Address? When I read it, 'fathers' didn't sound off. But I may just not remember it. If anything, I would have said neither, and rather 'founding fathers'. Now, I do remember (or think I do) the Declaration of Independence, so if that gets changed, I think I'll know.
But for real? So just make some text documents with 'forefathers' and see if they get changed...
But for real? So just make some text documents with 'forefathers' and see if they get changed...
Yep, this one too sounds pretty far-fetched. It sounds like just another cognitive error to me. Given that the sentence starts with "four", and "forefathers" is appropriately old-sounding, it's not very hard to believe that people would unconsciously replace fathers with "four"-fathers.Really, AI changing the Gettysburg Address? When I read it, 'fathers' didn't sound off. But I may just not remember it. If anything, I would have said neither, and rather 'founding fathers'. Now, I do remember (or think I do) the Declaration of Independence, so if that gets changed, I think I'll know.
But for real? So just make some text documents with 'forefathers' and see if they get changed...
What really strikes me about much the Mandela Effect phenomenon is how much it reveals about the arrogance of the people who believe it so strongly. They're so convinced about the infallibility of their own memory that they're willing to believe the entire world has changed rather than the fact that they simply made a mistake. It's the old "I'm not crazy, so the world must be" idea, which Lobaczewski talks about in the section on pathological egotism. It's pretty astounding that people don't know how unreliable memory can be. Not only is it basic psychology 101 stuff, a tiny bit of self-awareness would reveal it as obviously true. How many times have we looked at something and realized, "Oh, I never noticed that detail before!" or "Wow, I always thought x was y" or "I have no memory of doing that" etc. And how many times have we seen it in OTHER people, like when we're sure we remember something correctly but someone else disagrees with us. Maybe we even seek out the evidence to prove they're wrong. (Or we find out we were wrong!)
Wandering Star
The Living Force
When you play a video game, you control your Avatar and do something wrong and it dies. Well, you play again from the last saved game.
For a while ... This I have already lived! Deja vu!
And you continue the game until you fail again and reload it from the next saved game.
Deja vu ... Again.
In an online game with millions of players, in principle it should not happen, what happens is caused by the action of many.
Unless ... that the simulation manager changes something in the game, for it to develop more according to his wishes.
Then Deja vu in the Avatars who have experienced some change in the simulation.
Be that as it may, "the Avatar" continues to "play" oblivious to the actions of his "player" or the "administrators" of the game, except for those strange sensations of Deja vu.
I've read somewhere that you have to try to be a "conscious" player.
The Avatar who knows he is an Avatar inevitably changes the way he plays ...
For a while ... This I have already lived! Deja vu!
And you continue the game until you fail again and reload it from the next saved game.
Deja vu ... Again.
In an online game with millions of players, in principle it should not happen, what happens is caused by the action of many.
Unless ... that the simulation manager changes something in the game, for it to develop more according to his wishes.
Then Deja vu in the Avatars who have experienced some change in the simulation.
Be that as it may, "the Avatar" continues to "play" oblivious to the actions of his "player" or the "administrators" of the game, except for those strange sensations of Deja vu.
I've read somewhere that you have to try to be a "conscious" player.
The Avatar who knows he is an Avatar inevitably changes the way he plays ...
That reminds me of the move Edge of Tomorrow, which I'd recommend. And knowing that you're an Avatar reminds me of this quote:
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Yes. The encouragement given here to shore up one's knowledge of cognitive errors still stands, lest we misattribute all kinds of perceptions or experiences to causes strange and metaphysical. You know, your writing 'Art' - instead of Ark, is an example of a cognitive error, albeit a pretty minor one (even if Ark's name is printed out over a dozen times in the session transcript). But I got that one beat! I must have watched an actor's name on the show titles I was watching over three dozen times before a friend pointed out to me that his name wasn't Walter Goggins (as I used to refer to him), but Walton Goggins. And he was right! See what I mean?
If we're not thinking about our own thinking, as much as possible, and if we don't use some of the tools to rule out many of the most basic possibilities, then we can get easily lost in the mire of 'mandela effects' and all kinds of things. So, again, starting from square one with the most basic of possibilities (which many folks don't even know exist) is, I think, a great place to work from; the suggested reading being here for a reason.
Ina
The Living Force
Little errors but maybe not so little.
With the embarrassment of repeating myself, here is the story. I assume everyone here knows the difference between a tube and a cube. Well, I met this year 2 physics student that needed help with one of his optics assignments. After reading the problem to me it was a straight forward comparison of refraction in two media. When I asked him to draw the experiment, instead of a cube filled with water he represented a tube filled with water. Long story short, his cognitive issue was caused by his spelling incapacity. So here we go. ‘Moses supposes his tosses are roses so Moses supposes his tosses to be.’ I hope the guy learned the difference as now he must be some big manager somewhere.
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