The sixth winter

loreta

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Reading your article in Sott and listening to Mrs. Laura talking in your article Scientists warn California could be struck by winter 'superstorm' it came to my mind a book that I read long time ago, The Sixth Winter by Douglas Orgill and John Gribben. It is an old book, written around the 70 but the subject is very current. The story start about snow coming down and never stopping. It is also a little philosophical book. Did someone ever read this book? For me it was the first book I read about climate change and also about catastrophic situation concerning the earth.

By the way, thanks for the article about dreams.
 
Thanks for the recommendation, loreta, it looks like it could be good. Here is one of the reviews from the Amazon page on this book:

This book is a time capsule. I've seen it evolve into that over the past 30+ years. I first read it when it was published in 1979. At that time the subject of climate, ice ages, warm periods, and various theories of causation, could be discussed without the heavy dose of politics that are present today. And, make no mistake, whether you ascribe to the theory of human caused global warming or you do not....the adulteration of science and the tainting of it's objectivity caused by this matter have done irreparable harm.

Science must be independent of short term political expediencies.

I've reread this book at least a dozen times. It never strikes me as dated. Yes, there are no personal computers or cell phones and fools don't spend their entire waking lives playing video games as today. But, as the authors point out the "Boeings" still cruised at "42,000 feet" and 550mph. The world hasn't really changed that much in all this time. Climate models are still crunched through a Cray One Research Computer. That it was probably about as powerful as your pda ( or less ) is immaterial. Computers and what they did for science was then as prevalent as now.

The book is about the onset of the next ice age. Whether there will be another glacial period is not in question. As long as the Milankovitch cycles prevail, as long as the Sun's output is stable, and as long as there is significant land mass at high Northern Latitude there will be glacial epochs of approx. 100,000 years punctuated by interglacials of approx 12,000 years.

It should be mentioned that in the 70s the prevailing wisdom was that the start of the next glacial epoch was near. This is not politically popular today despite the fact that this interglacial is now at about the average age when prior warm periods ended.

Today, if anything else, the premise of this book is far more supportable and believable. Not from watching the evening news but from just some simple searching on the internet. Look up "Milankovitch Cycles" or "Vostok Ice Core Graph" when you have finished this little book.

Another interesting thing about this book is that it seems to me to be nearly identical to "The Day After Tomorrow" in many respects. In "Sixth Winter" the jet stream dips downward to bring incredible cold to the surface. In "The Day After Tomorrow" large cyclones pull stratospheric air to the surface with identical results.

One difference is that the authors of the "Sixth Winter" had no political position to support and no preexisting fan club to play to. The onset of the next ice is simply treated as something that will occur....without doubt....and probably in several thousand years. But, how it will begin and how fast it will progress is unknown. We know far more about the end of ice ages since the physical landforms survive to record the events. The beginnings are obscured by the commotion and chaos of the end. Thus, this book is a fictional account of how an ice might begin.

We already know that there will be another ice age....and soon.....if pesky facts like this interfere with your politics or prejudices, that is, if you have a closed mind filled to capacity with canonical truth about climate.....this book would be little else but heresy to you.
 
John Gribben has also written In Search of The Double Helix, which came out in the eighties and is an excellent summarization of the natural sciences. I believe it's on the recommended read list on the forum as well.
 
Thanks Shirking for the information about the book. This book its very important for me: it made me feel comfortable with the idea of the end of the world. When I read the book I was living in Canada. One year, in 98 I think, we lived a very strange weather situation that people name something like "the tempest of the century". It was very catastrophic: first came a strong weather, very cold (it happened in winter), than in one day it started to rain. So you had one day a temperature of minus 35 and the next day of plus 15. In one day! Then, after two days of rain the temperature descend again to minus 35! The catastrophic situation was there: everything start to fall: trees, specially. Then farm animals started to die because of the weather and also because all the province (Quebec) lose the electricity. People was obliged to sleep in comunity centers. My little city became like a phantom city. I used to walk during the night and was very happy to feel alone with my dog in a strange white night listening the branches of the trees cracking like little fireworks. Montreal was cut from the rest of the country due to the danger to take the bridges (because of the ice). All was obscurity, during the night and platinum during the day. No metro, no bus, no food store open because no delivery. It was a very interesting situation, feeling lonely and at the same time feeling the force of the weather and feeling alert and very present on the earth. But I had the book The Sixth Winter in mind so I was not afraid. I was able to cope and even I liked the situation because it made me feel strong and valiant. All this to tell that The Sixth Winter was like a book of premonition. And since then, I don't know if it is a good thing, I have a special interest for all catastrophic situations concerning the earth. :scared:
 
I´m sorry Shijing, I mispelled your name. In fact the fault is due to my cat, not me. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks to this thread I ordered The Sixth Winter from amazon for one cent (and too much shipping :rolleyes:), so far it is very interesting. Two parallels of note so far is that in the book the wolves suddenly had an ancestral memory turned on, and started gathering in packs of hundreds, which oh so coincidentally has actually happened! http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223358-Super-pack-of-400-wolves-terrorise-remote-Russian-town-after-killing-30-horses-in-just-four-days
The other is the mention of the Jet stream suddenly acting erratically, and heading south. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/186206-North-America-Jet-Stream-Recent-Pattern-is-Unusual http://www.sott.net/articles/show/220179-How-a-freak-diversion-of-the-jet-stream-is-paralysing-the-globe-with-freezing-conditions

It's almost predictory. Will report in once finished. :)
 
loreta said:
I´m sorry Shijing, I mispelled your name. In fact the fault is due to my cat, not me. :rolleyes:

Sorry I missed this when you first wrote it, loreta -- no worries, and I think cat-induced mistakes are especially forgivable :)
 
Shijing said:
loreta said:
I´m sorry Shijing, I mispelled your name. In fact the fault is due to my cat, not me. :rolleyes:

Sorry I missed this when you first wrote it, loreta -- no worries, and I think cat-induced mistakes are especially forgivable :)

No problem, Shijing! this place is so big, like a mace. Have a nice day!

Loreta
 
I ordered a copy too, my old book is not anymore with me. With all this snow around us is good to read something that happends in a future beginning of an Ice Age.
Loreta
 

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I'm over half way through the book and it is a bit of a disappointment. It's very short on science despite the fact that it does talk about the meandering of the jet stream which we have recently experienced. The author has got it snowing for weeks on end, like an ice age starting all at once, but so far, not a single explanation for where all that moisture in the atmosphere that is precipitating as snow might be coming from. The Gulf Stream breaking up cannot, alone, account for this. I do find the "dancers" or ice tornadoes interesting, but again, there is no scientific discussion about it. Also, the scenario with the wolves having some ancient memory about mammoths is pretty weak. Finally, the writing style is unpleasant to me. But I will persist in case something interesting is said before the end.
 
Well, I have finished my reading of the book, and it was indeed a bit dissapointing. The first half I found to be much more interesting, as the second half just devolved into what the main characters end up doing in the new ice-age world.

The book did describe that the coldness of the atmosphere in places was because the jet stream was dipping "down" from the upper atmosphere, too, causing a "hole" that the coldness of space would penetrate, but it does not scientifically make sense to me.

Eh. Was good to read a story based on a world we may be entering into, none the less. :)
 
Just finished reading the book too, Laura and Devar sum things up pretty well.
 
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