The Venus Project

[Tigersoap]

The category Zeitgeist falls into also uses external shocks by exposing the falseness of religion and the monetary control systems. The 'more truth' method does seem to bring more consciousness into the picture, but as has already been mentioned there's no consideration of the self. And what of will? Perhaps some people who find Zeitgiest were already asking and searching, but I suspect even from the many who still accept the shock that they were not asking.

Maybe Zeitgeist is widely promoted as to shock people on the brink of discovering new things because they start to ask too much questions, by providing the gentle push in the direction of what the PTB wants at the right time.
It's time for a "new" kind of belief to be promoted : Alien origins (perhaps?) and a "new world order" with a new financial system, that ties in perfectly with The Venus project, or so it seems.

 

[anart]

Maybe Zeitgeist is widely promoted as to shock people on the brink of discovering new things because they start to ask too much questions, by providing the gentle push in the direction of what the PTB wants at the right time.

That is usually how it works...

 

[Tigersoap]

Maybe Zeitgeist is widely promoted as to shock people on the brink of discovering new things because they start to ask too much questions, by providing the gentle push in the direction of what the PTB wants at the right time.

That is usually how it works...

I realize that I am stating the "obvious" but it was like a different kind of understanding suddenly for me, like it's so coincidental that's it's not :)

 

[anart]

I realize that I am stating the "obvious" but it was like a different kind of understanding suddenly for me, like it's so coincidental that's it's not :)

Oh, apologies, I didn't mean that to sound like you were stating the obvious - I was just agreeing with you, since that is how it tends to work. :)

 

[seek10]

Today I happen to see Zeitgeist Addendum. Nothing shocking related to content , as I know most of it here for a some time. I enjoyed the very professional music that kept the thrill. what struck me is the how innocent the solution they are proposing. It all sounded like a Hollywood Movie in which the victimised, suffered, calm hero , keeps the steam ( from victimisation ) inside until the break even point ( end of the movie ) and kills every evil person in the world to create a great promising world. happy there after.

there is no human spirit or , No checks or controls how they are going to prevent the reoccurances of the same people. Technology has all solution. This is rather strange conclusion.
Another striking feature of this movie, suddenly Blame changes from the banking cartel to collective human need to Self CHANGE and all the world can be united in this. The change they were proposing is more or less like Obama empty words of CHANGE. what exactly one needs to change is not clear. some of the concepts talked are mere shallow words like One ness with God. There is no mention of human consciousness which survives the birth and death etc.

I all sounds like "Folks , you got the inside scoop and now you can sleep".

 

[bedower]

I came across this 'Project' a few months ago, via another website. What struck me immediately was the same points that Tigersoap raises; too much emphasis on science and not enough on the spiritual/metaphysical approach. And this is leaving aside the psychopathy/ponerology aspect.

Questions that raised their heads for me were; 'Who decides on which 'science' is to be pursued?' Perhaps more importantly, where does this 'science' stop? Who makes the decision of; 'This far and no further.'? We can read on the SOTT page every day about 'negative' science, the so-called Dark Science, where science has been abused and misused to the detriment of the living world.

Spyraal, you provided the perfect description of 'Project Venus', osit - 'Brave New World'!

 

[Erna]

I think everyone here has spent some time at some point contemplating what kind of a world would actually work. I have done it countless times, and I always end up at square one.

Simplifying things initially is a good idea, before one starts to think in global terms.

Let’s pretend you are given a 100 people in a 5 kilometer radius and you must create a societal structure that meets all their needs according to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Self Actualization.

In the end I usually go full circle and end up with a world that looks pretty much like the one we have at present. And that’s with 100 people in a 5 kilometer radius!

Now do it with 6 billion people on planet earth. I’m not even taking different ethnicities, beliefs, ideologies, varying intellect, pathological conditions etc. etc. into account!

Not so easy, is it? Thinking of things in such terms gives a little understanding as to the philosophy behind various governing systems like democracies, oligarchies, dictatorships + socialism, communism, capitalism…even slavery.

It even gives some insight into the thinking behind the New World Order and the origin of the monetary system.

If you consider all of the above, then the creators of the Venus Project can at least be applauded a little for their ambition.

There is this multi-episode series on Youtube about the rise of China (_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZSEVBLwsYQ), and at some point some influential capitalist joins government and says he was always very critical of government when he was a ‘spectator’, and the moment he joined government he realized it aint as easy. You try and keep 1.3 billion people happy over a 9 million sq km area.

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too much emphasis on science and not enough on the spiritual/metaphysical approach.
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First things first. You can’t start at the top of Maslow’s pyramid while we can’t even achieve the first level. First put food in everyone’s tummies, and then aim higher.

 

[anart]

Well, truth be told, Maslow's theory left much to be desired - in fact, one of my college professors loved to explain to first year students that the only people who ever actually attained Maslow's 'self actualization' were Maslow and his graduate students.

Ultimately, human civilization is determined, if not defined, by one factor - and that is pathology in positions of power. Solve that - and you just might find that humanity can self-govern quite successfully and in a mutually beneficial way. But - to solve that, one must educate the masses - against the will of pathology in power - without addressing that factor, nothing will change - human history is overflowing with evidence of this simple, yet horrific, fact.

 

[gwb1995]

Ultimately, human civilization is determined, if not defined, by one factor - and that is pathology in positions of power. Solve that - and you just might find that humanity can self-govern quite successfully and in a mutually beneficial way. But - to solve that, one must educate the masses - against the will of pathology in power - without addressing that factor, nothing will change - human history is overflowing with evidence of this simple, yet horrific, fact.

Anart,

You have explained this perfectly in my opinion.

Thank you,

gwb

 

[Erna]

[quote author=anart]
Maslow's theory left much to be desired
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Yet we can't even achieve the base level goals of that elementary structure for the majority.

[quote author=gwb]
You have explained this perfectly
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Agreed, but as long as they look exactly like us ... well ... you know ...

I forgot to throw in a few natural disasters in my scenario above; tsunamis, volcanoes, hurricanes, syclones, droughts, floods, fires... and disease. Must be gwb's avatar that reminded me.

 

[Renaissance]

Yet we can't even achieve the base level goals of that elementary structure for the majority.

The majority can't, but successful psychopaths can... I think that says a lot about Maslow's theory.

 

[Erna]

[quote author=Los]
The majority can't, but successful psychopaths can... I think that says a lot about Maslow's theory.
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Objectively, that says nothing about the theory at all. Psychopaths in positions of power, that's the crux of the matter. Maslow's theory itself is not psychopathic. I'm interested why you would imply that the theory (whether there is room for improvement or not and no matter what needs are prioritized above others) is psychopathic in nature.

 

[Renaissance]

[quote author=Los]
The majority can't, but successful psychopaths can... I think that says a lot about Maslow's theory.

Objectively, that says nothing about the theory at all. Psychopaths in positions of power, that's the crux of the matter. Maslow's theory itself is not psychopathic. I'm interested why you would imply that the theory (whether there is room for improvement or not and no matter what needs are prioritized above others) is psychopathic in nature.
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The topic seemed to deserve a new thread, so my response is here: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, a primative model fit for psychopaths?

 

[WhiteBear]

I read through the Zeitgeist Movement Activist Orientation Guide
Very ambitious project...I particularly enjoyed the section on Resource-based Economy. Compared to that, the Spiritual Growth section was not much more than a blurb...disappointing to me that they're willing to tackle entrenched macro-systems like economies and society, but not so much with the self-growth.

 

[myth]

I came across this 'Project' a few months ago, via another website. What struck me immediately was the same points that Tigersoap raises; too much emphasis on science and not enough on the spiritual/metaphysical approach. And this is leaving aside the psychopathy/ponerology aspect.

Questions that raised their heads for me were; 'Who decides on which 'science' is to be pursued?' Perhaps more importantly, where does this 'science' stop? Who makes the decision of; 'This far and no further.'? We can read on the SOTT page every day about 'negative' science, the so-called Dark Science, where science has been abused and misused to the detriment of the living world.

Spyraal, you provided the perfect description of 'Project Venus', osit - 'Brave New World'!

Hmm it does have a NWO hint to it.

If they could equate a voice of spiritual/metaphysical approach it maybe a good solution at least, compared to the US now.