Things are deteriorating fast where I live

[Arwenn]

Hi Galaxia,

I'm so so sorry to hear that you are going through tough times. The posters above give some good advice, a 'survival kit' would be a good idea to have on hand, but really, it seems like removing yourself from the danger would be the best move. Knowlegde protects, but it not much use if its not applied. Can you do your thesis by correspondence?

I know moving away is easier said than done , but it may just be the safest way out.

 

[Galaxia2002]

Oh yeah.. I live in the same country and we are getting a lot of news about people killing people in horrible ways, politics craziness, the price of everything is going higher this week, its difficult to find chicken and other types of food! Everything what the C's said is happening very fast here..

I think what you guys are seeing is what's in store for most of the rest of us down the road - so keep us posted on developments ...

Well, I am going to report part of what happened in this three months since I wrote. Something weird was that even with the presidential elections, in the past any problem with food scarcity was covered. Pulling times were the ones when you find whatever. This time the scarcity was worst, the worst we have experienced ever and threat with get worst. I had one and a half month without find any butter. People even not find margarine. Butter finally appeared but twice price and that is the new price and can disappear in any moment. Of course when you find it you want to buy a lot in case you can't find in the near future. This activity was described by the government as hoarding. So that we have controls about the number of items we can buy, that changes with availability, two corn floor by person, one chicken by person for example.
Now we have scarcity of butter, oils, corn and wheat floor, rice sometimes, toilet paper. Toilet paper? yes, outrageous. We have a covert war with the PTB and part of the scarcity in food and some items can be explained so, but we have also expropriated food factories that are now government property that not produce as before, even some products of those companies have not been seen anymore. The government said that the demand increased but it is weird that the last year there was not problem with the toilet paper and the demand shouldn't arise too much from one year to another. So it seems that the government is taking some wrong decisions that seems to be worsening the situation apart of the PTB war, or they just didn't know how to proceed. Now they announced to buy 50000 rolls of paper to cover the demand.

He there are some videos of people in line waiting in supermarkets to buy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZA0-o-6pAg

People inside a market try to catch some floor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awJsGhhUlac

Of course this are isolated cases but are reflex of what we are living

In Zulia, a state bordering Colombia, Government are going to put a control database based in fingerprints in the supermarket for control how much of each item people can buy. This is really scary!! Where we are living you can go to another super and do a line and buy more of one item if it is available but with a database we are all screwed. This punctual situation is due to people from Colombia coming to Venezuela and taking home merchandise to be very cheap for them. It is a "valid " argument from the government to do this, but at the end we are all affected. I hope it doesn't expand to the rest of the country. My brother and my cousin make brownies and savory appetizers for living, they are juggling to find the ingredients. So many people and small entrepreneurs will not have an income or will see it greatly reduced for this situation.

Here is a quote from the Zulia state Governor:

http://www.panorama.com.ve/portal/app/push/noticia65521.php

He spoke of the possibility of using the fingerprint readers in markets to record and control the purchase and sale, thus decreasing the population of food storage and resellers. "If necessary we will deliver fingerprint readers (to markets) but is essential to know that we will also have the audited units and go for smugglers deposits" he said

There we have political scandals as always and I don't want to go deep in details, but for me the ponerization is so much evident. For example the congress president Diosdado Cabello said something that for me exposes the nature of the people that surrounds Chavez, he said it as a way to threaten to opposition, but is still suspicious to me:

http://loquepiensalagente.com.ve/?p=26497

You had to have prayed much for Chavez to be alive, gentlemen of the opposition, because Chavez was the retaining wall of many crazy ideas, the kind of that happen to us. did you hear it? And the President imposed his leadership, wisdom and consciousness and prevented that we act on many occasions.

 

[mabar]

I read this weekend your post, but did not know what else much to say. I heard this morning on the news about the complaint of Maduro accusing CNN in Spanish promoting a coup in Venezuela.

CNN promoting coup in Venezuela - Maduro
On Monday the President of Venezuela Nicolas Maduro stated that the CNN Spanish network was promoting a coup d'état as part of a wider media war against the country's socialist government.

"CNN en Español is a network controlled by those seeking destabilization, which openly urges people to carry out a coup d'état in Venezuela, and which is delivering a distorted version of our nation's political and social life," Maduro on national television.

Spanish-language CNN is part of a wider campaign of "brutal psychological warfare" led by the "fascist right-wing" seeking his government's demise, Maduro said.
"CNN en Español has become the spearhead for promoting intervention against our nation," Maduro warned.

Maybe something is going on, more obscure that the visible, still is something to be worry and precaucious.
Take care.

 

[Horseofadifferentcolor]

http://www.kvue.com/news/Police-step-up-patrols-at-Barton-Springs-Pool-after--211709571.html

Barton Springs is a place of peace. To be evacuated by police because of threats is crazy and very sad. Every day news reports are more and more coming out of bizzaro land and hitting way to close to home. I don't know how anybody at this point can look past how ugly things have become everywhere.

 

[Galaxia2002]

Almost a year since I wrote this post. Things are getting pretty bad here and I think an economic collapse is threatening. Economic internal war as government said, foreign sabotage, or the governmet itself, it seems clear that they achieve their nefarious objectives.

Something very worrying is the big debt that the government has with almost every company that import and use dollar because bad administration. Finance minister in a interview said ( rather it slipped) "What was happening before was that we saw how many currencies we disposed but their use (distribution) was no planned, I mean, not even adequate, but it was not planned at all'. So they have a big responsibility in the drama we live in now and is not only an external/bussinesmen thing as they said.

The debt with airlines is big. Some of them stopped selling tickets, as Air Europa, Air Canada, Tame (Ecuador), TAP airportugal, Avianca (colombia) Aeroméxico, Taca y Gol(brasil). The left airlines have absurd airfares, the prices are so high that you can't buy it. A ticket to Europe is now the equivalent to 26 basic salary. The last year it cost 8 base salary and my salary is 2.5 base salary (that is with the new devaluation). I really don't now how we are doing to survive. The government ordered to cut the prices in electronic, shoes, wear stores in December because some traders were speculating on prices. People swiped away stores and now there are some of them closed. With dollar scarcity there will be difficult to replace the merchandise. The most important mall in the city has half of stores closed.

Is already part of the routine to walk around several markets to get what you want, people are resigned. They don't have wish to fight back, they are tired. People crying for the radio because they don't find milk for their children specially in the provinces. The scarcity has gone deeper: oils, any kind of paper, napkins, toilet paper, stickers, containers and plastic bags, chemicals, supplements, pharmaceutics, dish and laundry soap, razors, milk, corn floor (very used here for the main dish of the country) some kinds of bread and wheat floor, meat. The bureaucratic controls over companies and small businesses is too tight. I now people that is very desperate about their bussines. Now there is a control over profit. It seems necessary but this measure was not well considered and can bring to default many companies. one government functionary said paraphracing "people should eat less"

Yesterday there was a student protest, and person of different occupations joined too. Here there are always small protests, but this one was a big one. There was 3 deaths. Three students and another one related to the government. . A quarter of my class was empty because they assisted to the protest. While I was teaching, it was ordered to evacuate the university. All the media was silent, they was transmitting comics, soap opera, and an act of the government. This country it is not the same as five years ago, when there was diversity of information, now that the government has bought near all the media against and put stricter penalties, there is no information about protests/delinquency as before. People was communicating by twitter/facebook. The only one media that was broadcasting the event of the gov and the protest was a cable international channel and the governmet ordered to block the signal.
Bikers of the government terrorized the protest and other citizens. They are called "colectivos" (collectives), they are armed organized people, some of them criminals, thieves and thugs riding bikes that emerge when there is need to repress the population. They sell drugs also and control some zones of the city, all this with the tacit consent of the government. Police won't stop them if they are caught doing something illegal because there is order to not doing anything or because they are best armed that police. One of the killed belonged to one of this organization and it was killed in the protest of the opposition so it seems it was as infiltrated. Immediately the congress president and president of the PSUV (chief of the government party)said that "his death will not go unpunished" but not said anything about the students killed.
http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/140213/cabello-pide-calma-a-los-grupos-del-23-de-enero

Here is a video of this criminal bands entering a residence in a city of Mérida state because people were complaining beating pans. They destroyed Windows cars and stolen. Police don't do anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL5W_DcYTeU

Moral breakdown here is indescribable. Look at this report "Adolescent dies from drug overdosis before three days party in disco of Tocoron Jail" Here Jails are controlled by delinquents, they are armed, plans kidnapkings, stealing and decide over government authority. They have discos, pools, and all amenities. They do parties with prostitutes and Prisons Minister said something like " what's new here?

http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/sucesos/murio-por-sobredosis-despues-de-tres-dias-de-rumba.aspx

Jail disco photos:

http://www.venezuelaaldia.com/2014/01/esta-es-la-discoteca-tokio-en-la-carcel-de-tocoron-fotos/

I felt like I was bullied by this society, abused. I get out of work and pray for to get home safe. People felt they are trapped, this is not what they want when they choose this governmet with his promises of change but they pain of see what this turned to be is so big that they sleept again. I want to get out, some acquaintances have left the country but I can't see clearly where to go, any place comes to my attention when I evaluate pros and cons. C's said that there is chance that air traffic was getting down. In my country this is happening progressively by a way that is not a natural catastrophy.

I have a lot to tell and will continue soon.

 

[angelburst29]

Hi Galaxia, from your descriptions, sounds like the socieity around you is further breaking down, to the point it is no longer "safe" to go about normal business and jobs. It's understantable, in your concern for safety.

Do you have any Family who live away from your area - who might offer some help - in getting you and other family member's to a safer place, for the time being?

 

[angelburst29]

More on the Caracas protest with photo's and video in this article:
_http://rt.com/news/venezuela-riots-kill-students-827/

At least three people have died in violent protests in the Venezuelan capital, officials have confirmed. President Nicolas Maduro has condemned the unrest as an attempt at a coup d’état orchestrated by extremist members of the political opposition.

Thousands of protesters flooded the streets of the Venezuelan capital on Wednesday in the worst unrest since Nicolas Maduro assumed the presidency last year. Demonstrators from several different political factions clashed in Caracas, leaving at least three people dead and over 20 injured.

Venezuela’s top prosecutor confirmed the death of 24-year-old student Bassil Dacosta Frías, who was shot in the head and died later in hospital. Officials said that a government supporter was also assassinated in what they decried as an act of “fascism.” A third person was killed in the Chacao neighborhood in the East of the Venezuelan capital.

 

[irjO]

In my city (the second largest of Venezuela) things are getting uggly, the army attacked many friends of mine(and they had not any weapon or destroying something),, cuz they were protesting against the crime, poor food supply and that the government is censoring the tv media and now We are starting to have problems to see Twitter content!

 

[Galaxia2002]

Hi Galaxia, from your descriptions, sounds like the socieity around you is further breaking down, to the point it is no longer "safe" to go about normal business and jobs. It's understantable, in your concern for safety.

Do you have any Family who live away from your area - who might offer some help - in getting you and other family member's to a safer place, for the time being?

Angelburst my university suspended activities until Monday in order to guard students. The only family near is in Colombia at the border. We are not referred to change place right now because it is not possible, We are accustomed to live in hard times from a long time but it is incrementally harder each time. We are not in a situation of calamity but a tense calm as media is not transmitting anything (twitter was restricted as Irjo said) it seems like the place is quiet but you can her ambulances at the distance.
As lobaczewski said "pathocracy paralyzes everything" this is just what we are living now.

 

[Galaxia2002]

More on the Caracas protest with photo's and video in this article:
_http://rt.com/news/venezuela-riots-kill-students-827/

At least three people have died in violent protests in the Venezuelan capital, officials have confirmed. President Nicolas Maduro has condemned the unrest as an attempt at a coup d’état orchestrated by extremist members of the political opposition.

Thousands of protesters flooded the streets of the Venezuelan capital on Wednesday in the worst unrest since Nicolas Maduro assumed the presidency last year. Demonstrators from several different political factions clashed in Caracas, leaving at least three people dead and over 20 injured.

Venezuela’s top prosecutor confirmed the death of 24-year-old student Bassil Dacosta Frías, who was shot in the head and died later in hospital. Officials said that a government supporter was also assassinated in what they decried as an act of “fascism.” A third person was killed in the Chacao neighborhood in the East of the Venezuelan capital.

This is an act of "fascism" they are right but how is called those motorbike armed people that kills, rob, thief, scare, sell drugs and controls zones of the cities with the consent of the government? This government pretend that people don't get food, get killed, spend great difficulties to get basic things, salaries cut a half a day to another, rewards criminals in prisons offering a life that many would like to have and they pretend that people don't get mad, that don't express anger, that we are living "a dream come true" pleaseee.

 

[Arwenn]

Sorry to hear the troubles in your country, Galaxia 2002.

I watched the SBS news tonight, and there was not a single mention of problems in your country. I remember reading your post last year and thinking that it was enough then! If that pathocrats are in total fascist rule there (& despite the protests of the people things are getting worse), then maybe you need to plan strategically to get out. Do it now before it's too late (I know its eassier said than done), but it sounds like there is no other option. :(

 

[Chad]

I couldn't find any mention as to where in particular this discussion refers to.. though i watched the videos and see Venezuela.. (sorry if i missed it!)

Anyway, i came across a tweet by 'You Anon News' last night

It basically shows the tweets aren't loading imagery.. (could be slow connection etc..)

_https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/434158529222418433/photo/1

Also the hashtag # Venezuela has reports that the internet is being 'throttled' slowing communications..

This said, it is twitter (used to initiate quite a few 'colour revolutions') and 'Your Anon News' could be anyone for all i know.

Also, i wanted to say Thankyou Galaxia2002; the reporting will enable us all to make much more informed choices ourselves, prepare our minds and raise awareness as to which products will likely become scarce, quickest. So whilst i realise it isn't much comfort, your consideration of others is very much appreciated.

It seems you are currently at the forefront, all the best Galaxia2002.

 

[Corvus]

This is an act of "fascism" they are right but how is called those motorbike armed people that kills, rob, thief, scare, sell drugs and controls zones of the cities with the consent of the government? This government pretend that people don't get food, get killed, spend great difficulties to get basic things, salaries cut a half a day to another, rewards criminals in prisons offering a life that many would like to have and they pretend that people don't get mad, that don't express anger, that we are living "a dream come true" pleaseee.

Maybe the goverment knows if it puts pressure under those gangs similar situation like cartel wars in Mexico could erupt with those gangs killing civilians in retribution and people being more mad at the goverment for not being able to protect them. With already difficult situation and anger amongst people this will escalate things even more so they are protecting their position in a way. Same is with those mafias in prison, goverment is also affraid of assasinations from them so they choose safer way for them that backfires on the back of people. But from these images I saw about prison discos(I was not sure if I read it correctly when I read JAIL DISCO) those guys are like on vacation and in five star hotels. First time I ve heard something like having discos in jails. Know that Brasil is not also safe place to go when cities are in question because there is also extreme poverty, drugs and street gangs with AK-47 s and other heavy weapons controlling parts of cities where regular police does not intervene, only their special militiarised forces like BOPE, and they execute them. Corruption is also very high which is normal when there is such deprivation.

Did you consider getting some sort of weapon for self-defense for future and which laws are there concerning owning and carrying it if you do not have any choice of leaving? When the things get even worse and all out chaos ensues people like you and your family will be first on the list, especially in cities. Maybe selling your apartment and house in city and buying one in some rural area in your country where they have a need for teacher of your profession(or any other profession you can work) is good investment if you can find anything or if it s financialy affordable. When the chaos ensues and you are left there it is already to late. You are done.

From James Wesley Rawles book:

In my lectures on survival topics I often mention that there is just a thin veneer of civilization on our society. What is underneath is not
pretty, and it does not take much to peel away that veneer. You take your average urbanite or suburbanite and get him excessively
cold, wet, tired, hungry, and/or thirsty and take away his television, beer, drugs, and other pacifiers, and you will soon see the savage
within. It is like peeling the skin off an onion—remove a couple of layers and it gets very smelly.
Here is a mental exercise: Put yourself in the mind-set of Mr. Joe Six-pack, a hypothetical but fairly typical suburbanite. Visualize
him in or near a big city close to where you live. He is unprepared for a crisis. He has less than one week’s food in his kitchen. He
has a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun that he hasn’t fired in years, and just half a tank of gas in his minivan and maybe a gallon or two
more in a can that he keeps on hand for his lawn mower. Then TEOTWAWKI hits. The power grid is down, his job is history, the toilet
doesn’t flush, and water no longer magically comes cascading from the tap. His wife and kids are panicky. The supermarket shelves
have been stripped bare. There are riots beginning in his city. The local service stations have run out of gas. The banks have closed.
Now he is suddenly desperate. Where will he go? What will he do?

And you have already experienced part of it when it comes to peeling the skin off an onion.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

You had to have prayed much for Chavez to be alive, gentlemen of the opposition, because Chavez was the retaining wall of many crazy ideas, the kind of that happen to us. did you hear it? And the President imposed his leadership, wisdom and consciousness and prevented that we act on many occasions.

This is a important information. It may be that there is very strong groups that want destabilize the government. But another option is that, after the death of Chavez, his party colleagues have agreed with the opposition (and whoever is behind them). Without Chavez, they not have brakes to their ambitions. Besides the obvious is that if the government continued to certain policies and alliances of Chavez, Maduro, or whoever, he would die too.
And here are all those dollars. It is seen that all that elites of South America regularly destroy the national currency to the dollar bet, thereby destroying the poor and the middle class. Well, this time can also work, but for very short-term. Maybe that is in part why there is such chaos, despair of control everything. Having dollars today will only work to buying many things, "all", but not to save them, because soon the dollar will also fall. So is "interesting" and worrying what will happen next.

From James Wesley Rawles book:

In my lectures on survival topics I often mention that there is just a thin veneer of civilization on our society. What is underneath is not
pretty, and it does not take much to peel away that veneer. You take your average urbanite or suburbanite and get him excessively
cold, wet, tired, hungry, and/or thirsty and take away his television, beer, drugs, and other pacifiers, and you will soon see the savage
within. It is like peeling the skin off an onion—remove a couple of layers and it gets very smelly.
Here is a mental exercise: Put yourself in the mind-set of Mr. Joe Six-pack, a hypothetical but fairly typical suburbanite. Visualize
him in or near a big city close to where you live. He is unprepared for a crisis. He has less than one week’s food in his kitchen. He
has a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun that he hasn’t fired in years, and just half a tank of gas in his minivan and maybe a gallon or two
more in a can that he keeps on hand for his lawn mower. Then TEOTWAWKI hits. The power grid is down, his job is history, the toilet
doesn’t flush, and water no longer magically comes cascading from the tap. His wife and kids are panicky. The supermarket shelves
have been stripped bare. There are riots beginning in his city. The local service stations have run out of gas. The banks have closed.
Now he is suddenly desperate. Where will he go? What will he do?

And you have already experienced part of it when it comes to peeling the skin off an onion.

Yes. Also associate that with what Gurdjieff said:

... that is because people believe in progress and culture. There is no progress whatever. Everything is just the same as it was thousands, and tens of thousands, of years ago. The outward form changes. Man remains the same. 'Civilised' and 'cultured' people live with exactly the same interests as the most ignorant savages. Modern civilization based on violence and slavery and fine words.

Is the truth about the mechanicalness of this planet, without makeup. And must act knowing what generally is the average level of people in times of social panic, to not get into that spiral of disintegration.

Galaxia, also let us know if you are getting meat these days.
Take care of yourself and your loved ones, and hold on!


Edit: clarity.

 

[Galaxia2002]

This is an act of "fascism" they are right but how is called those motorbike armed people that kills, rob, thief, scare, sell drugs and controls zones of the cities with the consent of the government? This government pretend that people don't get food, get killed, spend great difficulties to get basic things, salaries cut a half a day to another, rewards criminals in prisons offering a life that many would like to have and they pretend that people don't get mad, that don't express anger, that we are living "a dream come true" pleaseee.

Maybe the government knows if it puts pressure under those gangs similar situation like cartel wars in Mexico could erupt with those gangs killing civilians in retribution and people being more mad at the government for not being able to protect them. With already difficult situation and anger amongst people this will escalate things even more so they are protecting their position in a way. Same is with those mafias in prison, government is also afraid of assassinations from them so they choose safer way for them that backfires on the back of people. But from these images I saw about prison discos(I was not sure if I read it correctly when I read JAIL DISCO) those guys are like on vacation and in five star hotels. First time I ve heard something like having discos in jails. Know that Brasil is not also safe place to go when cities are in question because there is also extreme poverty, drugs and street gangs with AK-47 s and other heavy weapons controlling parts of cities where regular police does not intervene, only their special militiarised forces like BOPE, and they execute them. Corruption is also very high which is normal when there is such deprivation.

I agree with you, I think that's the reason they protect this bands. Yes, they are prison discos and they live like kings there. Talking about prisons, recently the brother of a acquaintance was arrested. He (let's call him George) has 20 years old. His father died in a hospital from a heart attack. George's uncle (his father's brother) accused George to kill his father. George's uncle is schizophrenic and have an record to making up stories. He said that George kills his father beating him with a metal pipe. Without evidence and being judged in a court he was admitted to a minor prison and all of a sudden he was translated to a high security prison (the same of the pictures above). You can imagine the pain of him and his family. In order to get food, a place to stand and sleep, the family have to pay daily a good amount of money because the prison is controlled by a guy. This guy together with others decide who will be the prison director that is supposed to be chosen by the state and they are all armed. As a note there was a time when prisoners paid military to get out on weekends.

George is traumatized because he saw how two men in dispute fought to dead. This situation make me feel so bad for him. I am full of rage for so much injustice we live in, but I know I can't do anything, just expose this.
It seems that a forensic will testify in favor of George because obviously he is innocent. The schizophrenic uncle continues to do the possible to have George in jail.

Did you consider getting some sort of weapon for self-defense for future and which laws are there concerning owning and carrying it if you do not have any choice of leaving? When the things get even worse and all out chaos ensues people like you and your family will be first on the list, especially in cities. Maybe selling your apartment and house in city and buying one in some rural area in your country where they have a need for teacher of your profession(or any other profession you can work) is good investment if you can find anything or if it s financialy affordable. When the chaos ensues and you are left there it is already to late. You are done.

I don't have considered to have a weapon. It scares me. The gov is moving to disarming population beginning for criminal groups and then society in general. They are just preventing the future use of this weapons against them in a given situation. But knowing them I am sure this is just blah blah.

From James Wesley Rawles book:

In my lectures on survival topics I often mention that there is just a thin veneer of civilization on our society. What is underneath is not
pretty, and it does not take much to peel away that veneer. You take your average urbanite or suburbanite and get him excessively
cold, wet, tired, hungry, and/or thirsty and take away his television, beer, drugs, and other pacifiers, and you will soon see the savage
within. It is like peeling the skin off an onion—remove a couple of layers and it gets very smelly.
Here is a mental exercise: Put yourself in the mind-set of Mr. Joe Six-pack, a hypothetical but fairly typical suburbanite. Visualize
him in or near a big city close to where you live. He is unprepared for a crisis. He has less than one week’s food in his kitchen. He
has a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun that he hasn’t fired in years, and just half a tank of gas in his minivan and maybe a gallon or two
more in a can that he keeps on hand for his lawn mower. Then TEOTWAWKI hits. The power grid is down, his job is history, the toilet
doesn’t flush, and water no longer magically comes cascading from the tap. His wife and kids are panicky. The supermarket shelves
have been stripped bare. There are riots beginning in his city. The local service stations have run out of gas. The banks have closed.
Now he is suddenly desperate. Where will he go? What will he do?

And you have already experienced part of it when it comes to peeling the skin off an onion.

Something that prevented me to put more energy in this path of get out of this country was the news about world situation, the big propaganda here about the imminent fall of capitalism, that made me think that it would be imminent an economic collapse in Europe, USA, when in reality the "collapse" seems to have started here. I think is not worth to change city but leave the country because rural areas are in worst conditions.