Thoughts regarding 4d STS

[domwatts23]

I had some ideas regarding the 'Lizzies' which I have never entertained before, and they were inspired by one of Barbara Marciniak's books. I would be really interested to know what people think of them.

Quote:

‘You are the agents of change, and the ability to change and transmute your lives is yours again and again to marvel over, as you proclaim how well events unfold when you embrace faith and learn your lessons in living. There are no bad lessons, yet because you are afraid to know the dark and never study it, you turn what you fear and do not understand into the guise of darkness. Some of you will never leave the swamplands because you do not have the courage, with the fear that you carry, to climb the mountain. And so transmute you must, for yourselves, for all of humankind, and, most essentially, for your reptilian family whose wounds, like yours, go very, very deep.’

these were my ramblings:

So, reptilians tempted us into limitation through sexual desire, ‘burning off’ 10 strands of dna by light wave alteration. Perhaps it is merely the reptilian part of ourselves which burnt its OWN DNA so that it could fall asleep? Our ‘lower nature’ tempted us into limitation, our BASE DESIRES. It wanted to act out these desires on a physical level, AND ‘create a perfect world (matrix – agent smith)’so it ‘burnt’ loads of dna. (or did it merely transition down a density through a gravity wave which changed its light frequency?) It frantically does not want us to wake up, so it changes things in our timeline so we cannot wake up; if worst comes to worst they want to remain in control of us in 4th density. Their race needs to feed off us in order to exist….so does this mean that they literally do not exist? They are a figment of our imagination, a creation of our mind which we created to keep ourselves under control? This makes sense, if we are fuelling their whole existence, surely their existence is intimately tied to our own. Everything is mind, and causality creates. If in the past we made a decision to transition to 3d STS, (which we did), in doing this we CREATE the reptilian mind as a construct to exist in and be restricted by. The thing the 4d sts cannot see is that THEY ARE US and therefore we are JUST AS POWERFUL because we ARE THEM. They cannot see that we have the power to transform the need for their existence. They cannot see that if we destroy their existence they will actually merge with us and thus not cease to exist. Their fear of non-existence drives them, AND US and our current reality structure.

In tempting us into limitation ‘they’ created a world for us to live in with ‘their’ mind as the foundation. This mind, however, is limited. This mind cannot feel empathy, it is part of our mind, part of our mind which we must purify and cleanse. This is what is happening now. At the transition into 4th, all ‘forces will be in direct contact with one another’ – we will become reptilians and they will become us?


I apologise if these ideas have already been addressed, but I'm interested to hear anyone's thoughts regarding this idea that...basically...we are the 4d sts?

 

[Franco]

I had some ideas regarding the 'Lizzies' which I have never entertained before, and they were inspired by one of Barbara Marciniak's books. I would be really interested to know what people think of them.

Quote:

‘You are the agents of change, and the ability to change and transmute your lives is yours again and again to marvel over, as you proclaim how well events unfold when you embrace faith and learn your lessons in living. There are no bad lessons, yet because you are afraid to know the dark and never study it, you turn what you fear and do not understand into the guise of darkness. Some of you will never leave the swamplands because you do not have the courage, with the fear that you carry, to climb the mountain. And so transmute you must, for yourselves, for all of humankind, and, most essentially, for your reptilian family whose wounds, like yours, go very, very deep.’

these were my ramblings:

So, reptilians tempted us into limitation through sexual desire, ‘burning off’ 10 strands of dna by light wave alteration. Perhaps it is merely the reptilian part of ourselves which burnt its OWN DNA so that it could fall asleep? Our ‘lower nature’ tempted us into limitation, our BASE DESIRES. It wanted to act out these desires on a physical level, AND ‘create a perfect world (matrix – agent smith)’so it ‘burnt’ loads of dna. (or did it merely transition down a density through a gravity wave which changed its light frequency?) It frantically does not want us to wake up, so it changes things in our timeline so we cannot wake up; if worst comes to worst they want to remain in control of us in 4th density. Their race needs to feed off us in order to exist….so does this mean that they literally do not exist? They are a figment of our imagination, a creation of our mind which we created to keep ourselves under control? This makes sense, if we are fuelling their whole existence, surely their existence is intimately tied to our own. Everything is mind, and causality creates. If in the past we made a decision to transition to 3d STS, (which we did), in doing this we CREATE the reptilian mind as a construct to exist in and be restricted by. The thing the 4d sts cannot see is that THEY ARE US and therefore we are JUST AS POWERFUL because we ARE THEM. They cannot see that we have the power to transform the need for their existence. They cannot see that if we destroy their existence they will actually merge with us and thus not cease to exist. Their fear of non-existence drives them, AND US and our current reality structure.

In tempting us into limitation ‘they’ created a world for us to live in with ‘their’ mind as the foundation. This mind, however, is limited. This mind cannot feel empathy, it is part of our mind, part of our mind which we must purify and cleanse. This is what is happening now. At the transition into 4th, all ‘forces will be in direct contact with one another’ – we will become reptilians and they will become us?


I apologise if these ideas have already been addressed, but I'm interested to hear anyone's thoughts regarding this idea that...basically...we are the 4d sts?

I don't think the general idea really fits what we have learnt from the C's so far as I'm pretty sure if this was the truth Laura would probably have just been told directly.

We are STS and they are STS, so it's obvious there will be similarities, but we have been told we can choose STO.

In the end I guess everything is one, however I don't think you can live like that in 3d/4d, you need to choose a side.

Yes we have limited genetics from 4D STS, however the C's have said that souls mutate DNA, therefore is seems reasonable to break out of this limitation.

In regards to becoming 4D STS, if I remember, the C's have stated that it's pretty difficult to evolve to 4D STS as much as it is to evolve to 4D STO.

In the end, we only know so much about other realities and I don't think we can understand it if/until we get there.

This is why this group focuses on diet and mental health first.

 

[domwatts23]

thanks for your reply. having considered my rant i can see where my ideas were misguided. funny what 5 minutes of random thoughts can produce though!

 

[A.K.]

Hi domwatts23, after reading the quote from Barbara Marciniak. I have a ramblings too.
Supposedly what i understand is the association of man(STO) and his shadow(STS). This man is trapped in the world overrun by his own shadow. Having to follow the way of the shadow's desires, feeling and being in it's STS nature. Entrap in the illusion of darkness create by his own shadow. And yes comparing to this shadow, man seems more real but man can't contain or interact directly with a shadow. Unless the man thinks shadow, talks shadow and doing all things pertaining to his shadow. Basically ditching his original status(STO) and directly involved with his shadow(STS) stature, he become what he desire in order to play in this illusion of darkness. As eons passes, this shadow may seems to be of a godly nature as compare to the original man himself.

As the Cass mentions when the transition occurs, it will be a level playing field. Where we can see them and likewise. What i can understand from above is man finally understands and see the true nature of this shadow actually belongs to himself. A shadow will always be a shadow. No matter what it does, it will never be the man. That's why it seeks to corrupt & defile the man.

[quote author=Franco]
I don't think the general idea really fits what we have learnt from the C's so far as I'm pretty sure if this was the truth Laura would probably have just been told directly.

We are STS and they are STS, so it's obvious there will be similarities, but we have been told we can choose STO.

In the end I guess everything is one, however I don't think you can live like that in 3d/4d, you need to choose a side.

Yes we have limited genetics from 4D STS, however the C's have said that souls mutate DNA, therefore is seems reasonable to break out of this limitation.

In regards to becoming 4D STS, if I remember, the C's have stated that it's pretty difficult to evolve to 4D STS as much as it is to evolve to 4D STO.

In the end, we only know so much about other realities and I don't think we can understand it if/until we get there.

This is why this group focuses on diet and mental health first.
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I believe the Cass only gave us information regarding on a need to know basis. Those information that'll get us killed or hinder with our lessons are not given. And yes we need to choose a side. Whether we want to wake up to the objective truth or continue slumbering on until we're being put ketchup upon.

It is difficult to evolve into either STS or STO unless knowledge is sufficient. And you know how twisted those information are without the help Laura and her chateau crew putting all this together(thank you so very much for the direction). And with this objective knowledge, in conjunction with diet and mental health(acts to increase our capacity & capability) may just what we need to reach that 4th density.

 

[obyvatel]

Hi domwatts23, after reading the quote from Barbara Marciniak. I have a ramblings too.
Supposedly what i understand is the association of man(STO) and his shadow(STS). This man is trapped in the world overrun by his own shadow. Having to follow the way of the shadow's desires, feeling and being in it's STS nature. Entrap in the illusion of darkness create by his own shadow. And yes comparing to this shadow, man seems more real but man can't contain or interact directly with a shadow. Unless the man thinks shadow, talks shadow and doing all things pertaining to his shadow. Basically ditching his original status(STO) and directly involved with his shadow(STS) stature, he become what he desire in order to play in this illusion of darkness. As eons passes, this shadow may seems to be of a godly nature as compare to the original man himself.

As the Cass mentions when the transition occurs, it will be a level playing field. Where we can see them and likewise. What i can understand from above is man finally understands and see the true nature of this shadow actually belongs to himself. A shadow will always be a shadow. No matter what it does, it will never be the man. That's why it seeks to corrupt & defile the man.

Hi A.K,
Are you using the word "shadow" in the sense it is used in Jungian psychology, where the shadow is said to contain unacknowledged and unpleasant aspects of the human psyche? While it can manifest key components of the STS mindset, it may not be correct to assume that shadow of man is the STS.

Darkness is not an illusion. Light and darkness are legitimate aspects of creation. One can acquire knowledge and consciously choose to align himself with either aspect. The default state for us here on 3d earth seems to be an alignment with the STS aspect.

Have you read the Wave series? These concepts are described and explained in detail there.

 

[bozadi]

"Your reptilian family" part is a bit ambiguous and could be confusing, I think. From what I understand from the C's material, we are in a way a part of the "reptilian family" in terms of genetics and the "marriage between genetics and soul." It was said that there are both reptilian and also avian genetics in us. Maybe the "avian genetics" is something closer to STO potential, although I don't specifically know what avian genetics is about. I would be happy to have others' knowledge and perceptions.

It was again said that the "Bringers of the Dawn" was something of a masterpiece by Marciniak, in terms of the level of correct information. For the next book (books?), there was a reference about a problem relating to indulgence of ego, which seems to have decreased the level of correct info. Unlike the "Bringers of Dawn", in the "Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library" there was a confusion created about who Lizzies are, whether we shoud identify and sympathize with them or, on the contrary, we should identify them as strict STS and "ourselves" as STO candidates, if we really are. I mean this second book caused such a confusion in many, as I perceive it. Again, I will request feedback.

 

[ana]

"Your reptilian family" part is a bit ambiguous and could be confusing, I think. From what I understand from the C's material, we are in a way a part of the "reptilian family" in terms of genetics and the "marriage between genetics and soul." It was said that there are both reptilian and also avian genetics in us. Maybe the "avian genetics" is something closer to STO potential, although I don't specifically know what avian genetics is about. I would be happy to have others' knowledge and perceptions.

This is also interesting:
The Wave Chapter 41: The Realm of Archetypes

My guess is that the real world of third density/dimensions, is a collapsed wave function reality. It is like the branch of a tree. At certain nodal points, there are other branches that have the possibility of “getting all the juice” and becoming the dominant branch, and what determines which it is depends on many factors.

But, once one bud begins to dominate, the others become smaller and smaller and fall away eventually for lack of “juice.” There is only one “real” reality. The others are only ghost or potential realities. Like a tree, with gazillions of branches, each individual’s reality grows in this way. At certain points, there are alternate realities. But, depending upon choice, attention, and other factors, those realities that are undesirable can be “pruned” or deprived of sap so that they wither and fall away.

At the same time, each individual being their own “branch,” has a slightly different reality from every other individual, and some responsibility for the way their branch grows. But it is all from the same tree, and thus has a more or less single reality. If their choices are “diseased,” their branch will grow in a way that causes it to be pruned, or wither, or face some interference even from other branches, perhaps.

So, in a certain sense, at the nodal point, many possibilities may exist, just as several buds may put out on the end of a branch, but not all of them will continue the process of branching, and at such points, we have some freedom to choose, individually or collectively, depending on the nature of the branch.

It is my thought that, at this time of eclipsing of realities, a very interesting thing had occurred: the energies of awareness I had been acquiring for almost a year had brought me to a point where the nascent Thought Centers of STO and STS each had an equal possibility of becoming the dominant branch. If the Cassiopaeans were one Thought Center of a different reality, me in the future, so to speak, but a future that was not yet “firm,” it was only a budding branch on the tree, and the abducting critters originated from a different “me in the future,” of another branch. At this moment, the energies were equal, and something tremendous hinged upon my choice. And that choice had consequences relating to my marriage.

I began to understand that our reality is masked as a medium for growth. What we are growing is our Will which, when aligned with a given Thought Center, allows that Thought Center to manifest its Will in our reality to the extent we are in alignment and can be amplified! To be in alignment with the STO Thought Centers results in an increase of spiritual consciousness and a diminishment of the “sleeping” consciousness of matter. To align with the STS Thought Centers, as we are, results in an increase of the sleeping consciousness, or wishful thinking of matter, and a diminishment of spiritual consciousness.

Every situation or dynamic in which we find ourselves demands a response. To not respond is, of course, a choice to accede to the dynamic as it is. This means that the only true response we can give is to be more fully and strongly what we have chosen. Consciously. And only by doing this do we progress to the next level.

It was again said that the "Bringers of the Dawn" was something of a masterpiece by Marciniak, in terms of the level of correct information. For the next book (books?), there was a reference about a problem relating to indulgence of ego, which seems to have decreased the level of correct info. Unlike the "Bringers of Dawn", in the "Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library" there was a confusion created about who Lizzies are, whether we shoud identify and sympathize with them or, on the contrary, we should identify them as strict STS and "ourselves" as STO candidates, if we really are. I mean this second book caused such a confusion in many, as I perceive it. Again, I will request feedback.

Maybe this can help:
Stalking or Precis on The Good and The Evil

In Strieber’s account, we witness the astonishing effort to transmute those horrific experiences into a positive outline. Thus Strieber, with almost excruciating transparency invokes the standard “humanistic” saw to the effect that dichotomies of good-and-evil are too simplistic and medieval, truth always being some “gray” blend of opposites; in this way he shields from himself the obvious implications of his ongoing ordeal.

But more importantly, he demonstrates to perfection the procedure of how one “falls into the hands” of the Negative Beings and, by the denial mechanism of 3rd density psychology, creates the belief that “good” things, developmental things, positively proceed from such ordeals. […]

His conclusions, his distillates of what he’s learned, insist almost schizophrenically that these entities must in some way have the “good of mankind” at heart, but that through the apparent terrorism of their utterly unworldly appearance and vile behavior they function something on the order of “cosmic zen masters,” taking a stick to our stubborn skulls. […] As “proof” of the actually liberating work they’re performing, Strieber invokes the fact that owing to his jarring experiences he’s “come loose” and is able to sample in waking consciousness the phenomenon of astral travel.

Strieber’s inventory of “positive side effects” on the whole describe a definitive list of what would be characterized as distinct inroads in the Negative program of conquest and ultimate Soul-capture. Like diabolical chessmen, Strieber inadvertently shows that the “space beings” have maneuvered and bullied his thoroughly beleaguered psyche into actively choosing the hypothesis with which they’ve implicitly enveloped him. […]

Giving Love to such a being is a yielding to the Negative requirements.

Should there remain any reluctance to grasp this point, or some desire to conserve the liberal-humanistic proposal to which Strieber often turns (i.e. to call such things truly Negative or Evil is “simplistic,” you know) we find a passage in the Ra Material, that anticipates Strieber’s account by years and furnishes a framework before the fact, which not only fits the Strieber-entities’ behaviors like a key in a lock, but gives us a needed perspective of evaluation.

On page 21 of Volume III, The Law of One, the Ra entity characterizes a prototypical tactic of the [4th Density STS], that of “bidding.” “Bidding” is described in such a way to make it clear that Strieber’s experience represents a concrete instance of the phenomenon.

“Bidding” is a contest of will, rendering the consciousness that obeys into enslavement through its own free will. It is a command of obedience, precisely such as that issued without explanation against Strieber’s lust for sweets. It’s sole purpose is to bend the subject into accepting the command, the actual content of the order being largely beside the point. […] To possess a legion of servants in this way is an actual nourishment to the centers and systems of 4th density; a kind of “food-chain pyramid.” […]

Thus we find the Strieber entity virtually paraphrasing the earlier Ra recitation of the modus operandi that identifies the Negative beings – the failure to exact obedience bears punishable consequence. It is a continuing illustration of the way in which the Negative polarity extorts the desired obedience – and thus soul capture – through manipulation of Love.

 

[A.K.]

Hi obyvatel,

No Jungian psychology here. A little too deep for me anyway. My mentioning of man & his shadow is just a metaphor. A solid versus the shadow cast by the man. As you have said that darkness & light is part of creation which i agree upon but because man(physicality) is inserted in between light & darkness thus enable this man to choose and play on which ever side(STO/STS). Which in this case always chooses STS side due to the preservation of self from 1st density through 3rd density. But from the transcripts, here comes the part where this man is once again given the call to choose STO on 3D onwards till a thousand years on 4D. A call for man to further extend his soul onto higher densities. And should the moment comes to past where he still chooses STS, then being recycled into a primal matter is next.

Man who have chosen STO will shed the physicality of himself and become the true light nature of himself. Which shadow now become just a reflection of himself which on 6th density exists as a balancer of energies.

I've read the Wave but a refresher will be nice.....i do not have a photographic memory you know

Thanks Ana for the posting of Wave chapter 41 which flows nicely on this matter.

 

[bozadi]

Yes, Ana, the potentiality of developing STO and STS on a tree is a good approach I think.

And, really, the confused and disinformative attitude by Marciniak in the latter book might be about a "need to love our exploiters" thinking that this is what will heal them, although they have no such demand / need! This could be relating to something like Stockholm syndrome.

And should the moment comes to past where he still chooses STS, then being recycled into a primal matter is next.

Insisting on choosing STS could not be a reason, I think, to be recycled to primal matter. It might more be related, in some of the cases, to non-choosing; going ahead of oneself in one's STS-oriented actions without consciously choosing STS. Genghis Khan has chosen STS consciously according to Ra. The harmony between the consciousness of his choice and his (however brutal) actions was good enough to successfuly graduating him to 4D STS. He was very sincere, that is. This is how I see it.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Yes, Ana, the potentiality of developing STO and STS on a tree is a good approach I think.

And, really, the confused and disinformative attitude by Marciniak in the latter book might be about a "need to love our exploiters" thinking that this is what will heal them, although they have no such demand / need! This could be relating to something like Stockholm syndrome.

And should the moment comes to past where he still chooses STS, then being recycled into a primal matter is next.

Insisting on choosing STS could not be a reason, I think, to be recycled to primal matter. It might more be related, in some of the cases, to non-choosing; going ahead of oneself in one's STS-oriented actions without consciously choosing STS. Genghis Khan has chosen STS consciously according to Ra. The harmony between the consciousness of his choice and his (however brutal) actions was good enough to successfuly graduating him to 4D STS. He was very sincere, that is. This is how I see it.

As far as I understand, there is no way to advance from 4th Density STS as an individual entity. Therefore, if one chooses (and again, as far as I understand, at 4th Density, it IS a choice) to remain STS, since there is no way to advance, after 4th Density, STS will be recycled to primal matter and start all over again in 1st Density at some point in the Grand Cycle.

 

[bozadi]

As far as I understand, there is no way to advance from 4th Density STS as an individual entity. Therefore, if one chooses (and again, as far as I understand, at 4th Density, it IS a choice) to remain STS, since there is no way to advance, after 4th Density, STS will be recycled to primal matter and start all over again in 1st Density at some point in the Grand Cycle.

Oh, SeekinTruth, you mean the graduation from the 4D to 5D, not 3D to 4D. I was referring to the latter one, because A.K. seemed to refer to terran humanity. No individual graduation from 4D to 5D? Might be so, of course, I don't know. But, again, choosing STS in 4D STS cannot, by itself, be a reason to be recycled to primal matter, because we know well, theoretically, that it is possible to graduate from 4D STS to 5D STS, even, according to Ra, from 5D STS to 6D STS, although it takes, according to Ra, a relatively short time to switch inevitably from STS to STO in the 6D because of the very high altitude scenery of the universe (that everything is truly one; balancing, STO).

So 4D STS could graduate to 5D without having to change its polarity. But, with what I understand from the C's material, there is much less physicality (almost none) in 5D compared to 4D and this condition does not seem convenient for Lizzies who do not want to lose the comforts/delights of physicality. Then they resist against the natural progression towards 5D. This resistance is what puts their existence into danger. It's a great corruption. If they really want to reach the gateway of infinite intelligence of 5D, and this normally should be the motive for them in the 4D, they need to progress towards it, even if they want to use that infinite intelligence for STS reasons. The universe supports them so long as they are sincere in their beliefs, in their actions and agendas. But clinging to 4D will not give them access to the infinite intelligence. So they are in conflict with their existential motivations. This also resembles, I think, the situation that Humanity (Lucifer) experienced in the long wave, between 3D and 4D. This is explained in Ra as pre-veil (before switching to the short wave).

 

[SeekinTruth]

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm basing what I wrote more on the C's transmissions than on the Ra material. Also, there is no way for us to verify any of this, it's not one of the issues we can research and get hard evidence for currently.

But my understanding from the C's material is that in 5th density and up, STS are not individual entities but a reflection / Thought forms for balance. By 5th Density, the STS entity would become so "contracted" that there would be virtually no longer any interaction with creation, so to speak, but would only be a reflected Thought Form of STS. So they are not actual, individual "entities." STS (as Though Form/Center) is needed for balance in the purely ethereal Densities. But again, I could be wrong, and again, these are just working hypotheses and we can't verify them currently. It's just what I've gathered from the C's material and Laura's work, etc.

 

[Ðekel]

while reading your discussion, i recalled this from the c's;

Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking...?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you decide to go when you get there?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up to 6th density?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?

A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don't move back.

Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there? (L) No. (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don't go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct? (T) That's what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that's where you stay because you don't have any desire to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don't have a choice, it is just that you don't want to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

from; http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25894.msg308388.html#msg308388

it seems as though, according to them, the only way to progress in densities past fourth is to be, as you said, in the STO mode.

i find it interesting as well that 5D, or 'contemplation' is not deemed STS because while working to better your SELF, it is more akin to soul-seeking, i.e. learning, personal growth.

Edit: posted by mistake midway through typing.

 

[bozadi]

I think there is a great deal of compatibility between the Ra material and the Cassiopaean material in not all, of course, but many fundamental issues. And truly, I would choose the C's material if I had to. Yes, I am aware that these subjects are not so verifiable but it might sometimes be good to check our reasoning on them with the data provided. When some connections are made through networking, there are bridges that are formed between what is abstract and what is concrete. So I think that we are discussing these issues in order to help ourselves cope better with our problems by better comprehension of STS and STO activities in and above our level.

On 5D general and 5D STS:

[quote author=Laura]

November 26, 1994

Q: (L) Is there some intermediary between the 6th level Orions and the 4th level Lizzies, such as a 5th level force or being?
A: 5th level is contemplation zone for both "sides".

Q: (L) Does that mean that at the contemplation level that there is no activity? (J) Is it like a "time out?"
A: Close. Balancer.

--

December 10, 1994

Q: (L) Who are the Andarans?
A: Thought forms for STS.

Q: (L) What level of density are they?
A: 5th.

Q: (L) So, they are at the contemplative level?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where do they come from?
A: 5th level.

--

January 7, 1995

Q: (L) What is causing the thumping phenomenon in D***'s house.
A: 5th and 4th visitors of varying description your many activities have attracted.

Q: (T) Are they harmful? (D) My many activities like reading... psychic readings? (L) No, no, stop. Are these beings in general STS or STO oriented?
A: STS.

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Q: (L) So, in other words, we should be able to perceive on 1st and 2nd as well as 3rd while working on 4th level understanding?
A: No. Work on 4th, 5th and 6th.

--

Q: (T) Who eats the Lizzies on the 4th level?
A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of STS.

--

Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure energy?
A: Yes.

--

Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density, like the 6th density Orions?
A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole entities, just thought forms.

--

June 9, 1995

Q: (L) The first one is: On Tuesday night, I did a spirit release on a fellow named V. M. It seemed to get a little rough. What type of entity were we dealing with?
A: STS

Q: (L) What density level?
A: Fifth.

Q: (L) Was I successful in freeing V** from this domination?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Is that STS entity gone for at least this time?
A: From direct attachment.

Q: (L) Is that entity going to try to return?
A: Open.

--

November 4, 1995

Q: (T) OK, the bases are trans-density bases; they go from the third density to the fifth; they exist in the third, fourth and fifth density all at the same time, is this correct so far?
A: Close.

--

(T) Are the bases STS bases?
A: Mostly.

Q: (T) So there may be STO bases, as well?
A: This is complex.

--

17 August 2000

Q: I know it is a silly question, but how can one identify a 5th density STS source?
A: Not often communicative.

Q: My thought was that a 5th density STS being would be so encapsulated, so contracted, that they would hardly bother to GIVE anything... "Give" being the operative word here. I would think that such beings live only in thought and are simply not WILLING to communicate. Is that correct?
A: More or less.[/quote]

So it seems that it is only the 6D STS (not 5D STS) who "are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole entities, just thought forms." 5D STS beings seem to be more actively involved in situations relating to us than you think, although they are completely etheric.

And, as I perceive, it should be possible for 5D STS beings to graduate to 6D STS although, probably, in very few numbers compared to the graduations from 4D STS to 5D STS. Likewise, I am sure that switching from STS to STO is much more common in 5D than it is in 4D.

Of course, the subject of the thread is 4D STS and it is openly and repeatedly mentioned in the sessions that "4th is the last density for full manifestation of STS." This must have a meaning. 4D is also the last density with the utilization of a physical body. So full manifestation of STS should have a relation with physicality.

[quote author=Laura]

October 20, 1994

Q: (L) Who created the Lizzies?
A: Ormethion.

Q: (L) And who is this individual?
A: Thought center.

Q: (L) Located where?
A: Everywhere.

Q: (L) Can you give us a little more of a clue?
A: Another sector of reality.

--

October 20, 1994

Q: Is Ormethion who the Lizzies worship?
A: Close.

Q: Who do they worship? What do they call their god?
A: Physical universe.

Q: The physical universe is their god?
A: Yes.[/quote]

There must be a relation between the full manifestation of STS and physicality. We know theoretically that there is a connection between matter and sleepingness. So maybe in 4D STS, they (at least Lizzies) are doing their best to "switch off the light." They hate life. They hate diversity, livelihood and joy. Maybe they intuit that in the 5D, one approaches things differently. It is the density of "light" against which Lizzies are very reluctant. And that light must be why STS of 5D is not as full as 4D I think.

 

[Ðekel]

bozadi,

thanks for the post, it is a good recap and helped me better understand the issue of 5D STS.

regarding;

There must be a relation between the full manifestation of STS and physicality. We know theoretically that there is a connection between matter and sleepingness. So maybe in 4D STS, they (at least Lizzies) are doing their best to "switch off the light." They hate life. They hate diversity, livelihood and joy. Maybe they intuit that in the 5D, one approaches things differently. It is the density of "light" against which Lizzies are very reluctant. And that light must be why STS of 5D is not as full as 4D I think.

not only does it seem there is a relation between STS manifestation and physicality, the c's have also said that with each 'graduation' in density, existence is easier than the previous density. i think this also has to do with physicality, and maybe ONE of the reasons 4D STS struggles so much, is exactly because they cannot fathom, or won't accept a mode of being that is not physical. that doesn't involve feeding..

maybe they are so entrenched in the 'feeding pyramid' thing, that they simply do not understand not being part of a food chain.
also, as 4D STS they enjoy the fact that they are on the so-called 'top' of the feeding pyramid. a big component of the STS mode is self-importance and aggrandizement.
they don't see why they should advance, or they feel comfortable where they are and would do anything to stay there..

we can see the same behavior mirrored in 3D hierarchical systems everywhere.