THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS

[Dis]

If you haven't seen this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374
I highly recommend it
Also the website
http://www.thunderbolts.info/

I was quite struck by this theory as I have said for years that I thought the Sun was a "Black Hole" and that's why Sunspots were dark, the corona is hotter than the surface etc etc. The Universe is electro-magnetic and gravity is a by-product.
I did a search on the forums to see if this has been covered but couldn't find any reference to it, but apologies if this has been discussed already.
What do forum members think/feel/know about this ? Am I way off base here, ascribing a level of truth to this theory ?

edit: Just found a single reference to it by alchemy in the Books section

 

[OCKHAM]

I found this from the C’s who commented on plasma which is quite curious. This comes from Laura and is only partial. To read entire article go here.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/earth2.htm

Q: Well, there is another thing that the 'Millennium Group' has brought up, and that is the possibility that there is some object that has entered our solar system and the increased sun-spot activity and so forth is a reaction of the sun to this object or objects. Can you comment on this?
A: The sun needs no such prompting to react thusly. It is a reactor, after all. It tends to react to less than others react to it.
Q: (A) But what is the 'it?' (L) And, the sunspot prediction was around a hundred the other day, but the actual sun spot activity was 240, I believe. Now, supposedly, when this Comet Lee swings around the sun during this period of high sun-spot activity, the Millennium Group are saying that it is going to discharge the solar capacitor and that there is a possibility that great bolts of electricity will pass between planets and the comet or between planets and other planets, or between the sun and the comet, or something. Is this, in fact, likely to occur?
A: Bolts charge between positive and negative ions. What is the sun's atomic structure vis a vis its "children?" Research this for definitive answers to your question. What about the positive/negative ratio between earth's ionosphere and possible passing "objects?"
Q: (L) Well, that's what I was asking. These fellows claim that there will be discharges either between the sun and the comet, or the comet and the planets, or the planets and the planets, or the sun and the planets... all the bases are covered!
A: No they have not. What about the "vacuum" of space? We are posing a question in order to stimulate intellectual debate and inquiry. Learning is fun, after all!
Q: (A) I want to ask about the 'plasma theory of comets' which the Millennium Group are promoting.
A: The plasma theory is correct, when certain factors are present. Could it have something to do with the composition of the object in question?
Q: (A) This is exactly the question. The object in question is the comet, and the question is: what is its composition, is it a dirty snowball, or is it a charged object that collects particles on its way like the 'vacuum cleaner' model?
A: Nickel? We are almost desparately trying to "jump start" your intellectual capacities. Remember, this is a group effort here. Not a series of questions from the meek and helpless to the Lord High Commander!!
Q: (L) What do we know about nickel? (A) There are all kinds of things about nickel. It is a metal. The question is whether nickel has anything to do with this particular comet.
A: If it does, it could be vital. Most comets are indeed "dirty snowballs," composed largely of water ice and particulate matter. But, some are more like fast moving asteroids caught up in an orbital plane. Your "Millennium Group" is maybe just a bit too one-side-or-the-otherish at this point. Thus, a spectral analysis of this object is in order before one assumes it to be a cosmic vacuum cleaner.
Q: (A) I guess from this that, even if these guys can be in some cases correct, this comet, after analyzing, will prove to be just an ordinary dirty snowball. That is my guess.
A: No guessing allowed! Have we not already indicated? Knowledge is power. If we give it to you like Halloween candy, it is diffused. What does molten nickel look like against the backdrop of space? Does it conduct electricity? Is it magnetic? What about the "tail" of such an object coming into contact with the ionosphere?

 

[sulphur369]

Hey there!

I am just reposting this from where I had just incorrectly posted. I am tickled that just when I finally write up my interests in these theories it finally appears on Cassiopaea!

Enjoy
Benjamin

HI Forum,

I have followed Cassiopaea for years and am well acquainted with the material, however, recently have come across and studied in some depth the saturn model of our solar system's recent history (maybe the last 12, 000 yrs.) and the plasma cosmos concept that goes along with it.

Go to www.thunderbolts.info, www.maverickscience.com, www.holoscience.com and www.kronia.com and www.haltonarp.com for the basics on this, that (in my mind so far) beautifully synthesizes and embraces disciplines as broadranging as plasma cosmology, petroglyphic evidence, mythology the world round, archeology and linguistics. In particular check out the past versions of their Thoth newsletter here: http://www.kronia.com/thoth.html Now, no doubt these individuals, due to their focus, miss some of the more esoteric aspects of life and recent history. They are perhaps a little close minded to Lemuria and Atlantis and aliens from what I can gather from their few passing references to them. But they can perhaps be forgiven as they have given all their research energy to this particularly important phase of our human social memory. It is often that I see amazing truths being discovered or uncovered and the links are not made to other things due to the broad reach of knowledge and wisdom available today!

I feel compelled to finally write to this forum after so long....so that intelligence here smile can be brought to bear on these radical concepts and that IMHO simply CANNOT be ignored. In any theories attempting to explain recent history, ice ages, the folly that passes for cosmology today (look up halton arp!) or what our ancient ancestors preserved for us in myth, the Saturn thesis, I think, musn't be ignored. The Saturn theory elegantly explained the powerful mythos of the world tree, the ladder btw. heaven and earth, the abode of the "gods".

The plasma environment that bathed the earth in this model can explain the terrible problems with dating methods, the way in which our earth was radically "terraformed" recently and the totally ignored problem of how dinosaurs could have never survived in our gravity. And Laura, this gives credence to the mist atmosphere you write of, having been very possibly caused by the heating of a massive arc-like pillar (world tree or atlas holding up the heavens) descending into the arctic ocean from Saturn. Think of the symbolism of the old man with his staff...hmmmm. Also the way Venus and Mars look today bespeak of recent, violent change, not the ridiculous concepts of billions of years of exact same orbits and uniformitarian erosion, etc...

The highly electrified environment that was part and parcel of this reality beautifully grounds!! the science of the megaliths everywhere. Check out this link for an outstanding synthesis of petroglyphs and plasma discharge formations: http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/downl … quityZ.pdf

The electrical model of the operation of the cosmos that goes hand in hand with the Saturn theory is also very compelling. It seems to neatly tie up so many of the loose ends of what passes for cosmology today. I am pretty well convinced that black holes, neutron stars, dark energy and dark matter and the nuclear bomb theory of our sun are all illusions based on ungrounded mathematics and outdated concepts that have parted ways (drastically) from common sense observations of the last decades showing how plasma and electricity much more logically explain and predict what is going on out there in the great yonder, at the more material levels of creation, naturally.

What disturbs me, though, is how NO channelled source or other esoteric "authority" has ever, to my knowledge, referred to the concepts I have mentioned above. I am quite convinced of the mythic and petroglyphic evidence, of the plasma science, etc. I ask you, after perusing the evidence, to consider this odd and disturbing dichotomy very deeply.

Most amazing is how the plasmic arcing of this whole process links with so many aspects of esoterica and ancient science. Truly it is as above, so below....I see this all as a beautiful elucidation of the fractal nature of our reality where natural cosmic principles operate at many levels in different domains...

I truly hope that a lively discussion can ensue from this post as I am excited to see what other people make of these fascinating theories and their effects on all the sciences.

PS - just as a side note totally unrelated to this post please check out www.markpurdey.com for the real beef on BSE or madcow disease.

PSS - There is a lot of beautiful buttressing evidence at www.divinecosmos.com where there are 3 free ebooks on esoteric science that are totally worth reading, his blogs are pretty cool too. You can decide for yourself whether David Wilcock is a reincarnation of Edgar Cayce or not!!


galvanised!
Benjamin

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

Hi Forum,

have you read a some of David Talbott's convergence of myth and symbol with the proposed Saturn configuration?

here he is clarifying how one can approach the whole concept, I find he is a down to earth and measured writer....

what do you think, perhaps take some time to peruse some of their forum threads...

When is evidence “definitive”?

“There are subtleties within subtleties in Egyptian mythology so one must be careful about making definitive statements about any part of it.”


Here’s another way of looking at the question. It all depends on the field of evidence and the tools you are working with. Is the evidence itself susceptible to principles of reasoning that can lead to reliable conclusions?

Much of the issue here relates to the difference between an “explanation“ and a prediction. When a principle or observation is offered to explain a phenomenon, it may indeed stand as a possible “explanation,” so long as it is not categorically disproved by some known fact. But if it lacks predictive power, there is no reason to believe it. A Mesoamerican scholar suggests that the cultural image of Venus as a serpent was due to the shimmering reflection of Venus off the waters of the Pacific. Yes, that is a theoretically possible “explanation” for a local symbol, however remote, at least until an alternative explanation is confirmed. But why would anyone actually believe that the overwhelming power of the "feathered serpent" and related motifs in Mesoamerica could be due to such a frivolous consideration?

Another scholar will tell you that the reason why early astronomers called Saturn the “motionless” god is that the planet moves slowly. Well, Saturn’s slow movement in relationship to the background stars is not as slow as that of the background stars themselves(!) :), but who can say that the “explanation” is wrong? Popular discussion of mythology has never advanced beyond explanations lacking all predictive power. Essentially, everyone can claim whatever occurs to them.

But what happens if it can be shown that cultures around the world attached every hieroglyph of a comet to Venus? Or that the most common of these symbols was the serpent? Is the local explanation of the serpent image still worth clinging to in the face of the global pattern? Don't believe in accidents. A global pattern raises the possibility, even the likelihood, that a definitive, archetypal explanation is available for the local image. In the end you’ll see why a hypothesized comet Venus is an incomparably better explanation than the reflection of Venus off a regional body of water: It is better because the hypothesis--Venus was a comet--predicts the global serpent image of Venus in all of its key relationships to the global language of comets--long flowing hair or beard, effusive filaments or feathers, fiery countenance, and much, much more. Standing on the seashore watching Venus set in the west would not provoke any meaningful prediction about ancient images of Venus.

The same point can be made with respect to the archaic language of Saturn as the stationary or motionless power of the sky. Observing its slow movement today will inspire no predictions about the first images of Saturn as primeval god. So, by way of contrast, ask yourself what you might expect to find if Saturn once towered over the world, hanging stationary at the celestial pole, in a spectacular and “utterly implausible’ alignment of planets.

Any assessment of a theory’s strength requires one to think in terms of predictive power. If perchance someone caused you to simply wonder whether Saturn anciently appeared in the planetary arrangement we've claimed, then a failure to find the global human memories predicted by such a hypothesis would be reason to discount it. A few things you might look for as the first hints of an integral but essentially “lost” memory: An ancient insistence that the sky changed radically. An earlier time of heaven-spanning formations in the sky. An age of gods and wonders. A catastrophic shift in the celestial order. A central (stationary) luminary presiding over a lost epoch. An “impossible” alignment of planets in that lost epoch. Enigmatic astronomical links of today’s remote planet Saturn to the remembered great luminary.

Of course, if you began to encounter precisely-stated echoes of such a memory, all in apparent contradictions of nature--these echoes would, by their underlying integrity and their repetition from one culture to another, only fuel enthusiasm for the investigation.

But how would you resolve the apparent contradictions surrounding the hypothesis? For example, you would immediately run into the modern conviction that the great luminary was the Sun. Such contradictions must have a resolution, so you would dig deeper, and lo and behold you would discover exactly what the radical hypothesis would anticipate--a bizarre ancient astronomical claim that Saturn was the primeval sun, the exemplary ruler of the “first time”; and also, a similarly bizarre ancient claim that Saturn’s former station was a spot never visited by the planet we know--the celestial pole.

Did the ancient world remember something the modern world has forgotten? By asking that question again and again, and overlooking nothing, the path will continue to open in front of you. This promise is why I’ve leapfrogged over volumes of available evidence to illustrate the way the research path invariably takes a serious investigator into details and associated predictions that do in fact lead to definitive conclusions.

A visitor simply passing by this forum section might gain at least a sense of what I’m talking about by considering Part 3 of the thread “The Crowns of Sages and Warrior Kings”. But keep in mind that many details will not immediately fall into place for you without wider reading of available material. In the cited thread, I apply the concrete hypothesis to what is known about the Egyptian White Crown. My point, oft repeated, is that definitive conclusions are possible only if the hypothesis can offer uncompromising predictions, and the predictions match up with undisputed patterns, detail by detail, in ways that would not be possible for a fundamentally false hypothesis.

On the other hand, by following this simple ground-rule, anyone who doubts the hypothesis will only need to show that its predictions are contradicted by documented patterns, or that the more essential predictions are simply not fulfilled.

David Talbott

 

[ark]

Saturn Theory

here he is clarifying how one can approach the whole concept

Where is the concept?

Can you write THE CONCEPT in three clear sentences?

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

Hi Arc,

The concept is that within the last 12, 000 years or so a configuration of saturn, mars and venus, in close conjunction, were much closer to the earth (itself exposed to highly active plasma processes) than now, and that the conjunction of these three planets was recorded as occupying a relatively stable position where the pole star is located. This was recorded as petroglyphs, and remembered as creation "myths". The memory of this conjunction, its various formations and the fear of its "falling apart" were a vital aspect of the formation of society as seen in sumeria, egypt, south america, china, and tribes everywhere really...

Here is a brief synopsis (from the site) of what is explored and elaborated upon at kronia.com

Saturn—the ancient god and planet, the central luminary of the sky

* Why did the first astronomers celebrate the planet Saturn as the first supreme god?
* Why did ancient people sacrifice their children to Saturn?
* Why was the original Sabbath, the most sacred day of the week, named after Saturn?
* Why did ancient nations invoke Saturn as the primeval "sun?"
* Why did early astronomies declare that Saturn ruled from the celestial pole?
* Why do so many modern religions carry remnants of Saturn worship?

Working from a uniquely holistic viewpoint, David Talbott uncovered an amazing story of beauty and terror in ancient times, when the planet Saturn dominated the sky. The psychological wake of this remarkable epoch deeply influenced humanity across several millennia, and countless symbols of this experience surround us even today.

First you must realize the great problem in modern humanity’s failure to cope with the following puzzles:

* The Golden Age followed by Doomsday is a universal memory. Was a time of paradise, known by various names around the world, such as the Garden of Eden or the Isle of Avalon, a historical fact? Did the Golden Age come to a violent end? Could a collective memory of a once literal paradise account for our deep yearning for a better life—a life our ancient ancestors once lived?
* Saturn as the once great primordial sun and universal monarch—a huge but stationary body in the sky.
* The Celestial Dragon, or Serpent, who attacks the world. What was this biologically impossible monster that was remembered by virtually every culture? Was this dragon moving in the sky a fantasy or a mass hallucination?
* The Mother Goddess who appeared in the sky in both a beautiful and frightening form. Why was she associated with the planet Venus by people in all parts of the globe?
* The Warrior-Hero who slays the dragon and carries off the beautiful princess. Why did so many ancient cultures identify the warrior-hero with the planet Mars?

When scholars confront ancient writings that don’t make sense in the world that we experience today, they reserve comment and move on to other "more fruitful" areas of study. That is why the meaning of the ancient Egyptian pyramid texts and other early writings remain a mystery.


There are further elaborations at thunderbolts.info

 

[ark]

Saturn Theory

OK. Suppose at least part of the above is true. Just suppose. Suppose Velikovsky was, at least partly, right. Then what follows from all this theory for our lifes today?

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

HI Arc,

"The psychological wake of this remarkable epoch deeply influenced humanity across several millennia, and countless symbols of this experience surround us even today."

It is the psychological traumatic aspect that concerns me most. Also, if hypothetically, Saturn Theory can be shown to be true, beyond a reasonable doubt, then naturally, hearing the truth about our recent traumatic past is a big step forward in stepping out of denial, psychologically speaking.

I think part of the modern man's averseness in accepting the idea of a traumatic, cataclysmic past can be well grounded in the unconscious denial of these recent highly traumatic events as posited by Saturn Theory.

Read Ignatius Donelly's book Ragnarok where he records the the memory of tribes where they say that there was generations of darkness and no food or water. I think it is hard for us to fathom how much of an impact that trauma would have had on our ancestors...

Below is an excerpt from a developing thread on the thunderbolts forum. James DeMeo has done excellent research using the psychological work of Wilhelm Reich as his base. I think his work can be used to show how the drying effect (besides the actual shock of the cataclysms themselves) of the whole cataclysmic process (can be strongly connected to the rise of psychologically aberrant behaviour.

In response to these ideas I had also posted about a connection to homeopathic theory:

"In regard to the work of James DeMeo, I match his Saharasia hypothesis with the engenderment of the primal disease miasm (an inherited predisposition, generational) called Psora in homeopathy. In homeopathy it is maintained that most chronic diseases and conditions spring from this primal state of mind (it leads to the formation of further miasms as well). This state of mind is fundamentally characterized by the feeling of lack, the itch diathesis, it is poverty consciousness, it has a contracted dryness, it is chilly, and unable to think in expansive terms. The founder also traced it back thousands of years into the mists of time."

Excerpt: New Study of retired professor James DeMeo, Ph.D., on the Origins of Violence Proves: Ancient Humans Were Peaceful, Modern Violence is Avoidable

Saharasia: The 4000 BCE Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-Repression, Warfare and Social Violence
-http://matriarchy.info/index.php?option ... view&id=21.

His study is unusual in that it presents the first world maps of human behavior, as developed from large anthropological, historical and archaeological data bases. "A massive climate change shook the ancient world, when approximately 6000 years ago vast areas of lush grassland and forest in the Old World began to quickly dry out and convert into harsh desert.

DeMeo's maps show spreading centers for the origins of patriarchal authoritarian cultures within this same Saharasian global region - male-dominated, child-abusive, sex-repressive cultures with a great emphasis upon war-making and empire-building. DeMeo points to the work of the controversial natural scientist Wilhelm Reich to explain the patterns.

A new geographical study on the ancient historical origins of human violence and warfare, drawing upon global archaeological and anthropological evidence, has just been published presenting substantial proof that our ancient ancestors were non-violent, and far more social and loving than are most humans today - moreover, the study points to a dramatic climate change in the Old World, the drying up of the vast Sahara and Asian Deserts, with attending famine, starvation and forced migrations which pushed the earliest humans into violent social patterns, a trauma from which we have not yet recovered in over 6000 years.

(What extraterestial body caused this climate change?) [somebody's input]

"There is no clear or unambiguous evidence for warfare or social violence anywhere on planet Earth prior to around 4,000 BC and the earliest evidence appears in specific locations, from which it firstly arose, and diffused outward over time to infect nearly every corner of the globe." says DeMeo, who today directs his own private institute in rural Oregon. "A massive climate change shook the ancient world, when approximately 6000 years ago vast areas of lush grassland and forest in the Old World began to quickly dry out and convert into harsh desert. The vast Sahara Desert, Arabian Desert, and the giant deserts of the Middle East and Central Asia simply did not exist prior to c.4000 BC" DeMeo asserts, pointing to numerous studies in paleoclimatology - the study of ancient climates. "Something happened around 4000 BC which forced the drying-out of this vast desert region, which I call Saharasia, and the drier conditions created social and emotional havoc among developing human agricultural societies in these same regions."

DeMeo's maps show spreading centers for the origins of patriarchal authoritarian cultures within this same Saharasian global region - male-dominated, child-abusive, sex-repressive cultures with a great emphasis upon war-making and empire-building. DeMeo points to the work of the controversial natural scientist Wilhelm Reich to explain the patterns.

The Trauma of starvation

"Famine and starvation is a severe trauma from which survivors rarely escape unscathed. A lot of people die, families are split apart, and babies and children are often abandoned, and suffer enormously. Starvation affects surviving children in an emotionally severe manner. They shrink from the exhausting heat and thirst, emotionally withdraw from the painful world, and simultaneously suffer a severe stunting of the entire brain and nervous system due to protein-calorie malnutrition. Even if such starved children later get all the food and water they want, they are deeply scarred in an emotional-neurological manner which forever changes their behavior - specifically, there is an implanted inhibition of any impulse of a pleasure-seeking, outward-reaching nature, and a discomfort with deeper forms of body-pleasure, in both maternal-infant or male-female expressions. Additionally, the child's view of the mother, who could not protect or feed the child during the famine period, is thereafter colored with suspicion and anger. These attitudes and behaviors are deeply protoplasmic in nature, and are passed on to ensuing generations no matter what the climate, by social institutions which reflect the character structure of the average individual at any given period of time."

end excerpt

 

[ark]

Saturn Theory

HI Arc,

"The psychological wake of this remarkable epoch deeply influenced humanity across several millennia, and countless symbols of this experience surround us even today."

It is the psychological traumatic aspect that concerns me most. Also, if hypothetically, Saturn Theory can be shown to be true, beyond a reasonable doubt, then naturally, hearing the truth about our recent traumatic past is a big step forward in stepping out of denial, psychologically speaking.

Hearing the truth may help. But investigating whether it is the truth or not may help even more. Don't you think so?

I think part of the modern man's averseness in accepting the idea of a traumatic, cataclysmic past can be well grounded in the unconscious denial of these recent highly traumatic events as posited by Saturn Theory.

Cataclysmic past is well documented without Saturn theory. Don't you know it?

Read Ignatius Donelly's book Ragnarok where he records the the memory of tribes where they say that there was generations of darkness and no food or water. I think it is hard for us to fathom how much of an impact that trauma would have had on our ancestors...

Lot on this subject of "cataclysmic past" is documented in many of the monographs that Laura has quoted. Somehow you seem to be unaware and you think there is only your Saturn theory? If so, you may have fun learning something new on the subject that is of interest to you.

Below is an excerpt from a developing thread on the thunderbolts forum. James DeMeo has done excellent research using the psychological work of Wilhelm Reich as his base. I think his work can be used to show how the drying effect (besides the actual shock of the cataclysms themselves) of the whole cataclysmic process (can be strongly connected to the rise of psychologically aberrant behaviour.

Our past had not one but many cataclysmic periods. It is good to know about it, but it should not prevent us from working hard in order to prevent, as much as possible, another cataclysm that may be coming right now. What about that? What are you doing in this direction? I gusess you must be doing something, otherwise what would be the purpose of learning, right? So what is it that you are doing. Please tell us....

 

[henry]

Saturn Theory

What if the Saturn that dominated the sky was a completely differnt body entirely?

In their book Cosmic Winter, Clube and Napier suggest that the original bodies that had the names Saturn, Jupiter, etc were comets that had a very direct influence upon the earth because their passing led to bombardment of the planet.

After these comets broke up and disappeared from the sky, the names were transferred to the planets and horoscope astrology arose seeking to create cosmic influences that were very different from the influences of the comets.

They make a very powerful and plausible argument.

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

Hey All,

You seem to imply, Arc, from your dissection of my post, that you think that I am posting these Saturn theory ideas here with no real research into their validity. In fact, I am finally bringing them up here because I feel compelled to share with you what I consider to be some of the most comprehensive and cross disciplinary research happening right now.

I have been a reader of Sott and co. for a number of years now and have read many of the monographs and have benefited immensely from your work. I am especially grateful for your clear and concisive recording of the psychopathic symptomology of our modern world; you are like my casetakers of the world disease process.

I am familiar with your research aims and your various foci. I am bringing the saturn work to your attention because I feel it holds the KEY to understanding a whole series of fundamental connections that need to be made in terms of how we can actually constructively engage our present reality and truly help, being based on more knowledge/wisdom.

Have any of you gone and read any of their easily understandable treatments of the synthesis of the venus, comet, bearded star, hair star symbolism?? If you actually enter into the relationship wal thornhill and david talbott have been drawing btw. myth, symbol, archetype, petroglyph, and more; an amazing elegant whole emerges. Of how humanity has, in part, derived their main kingship/queenship concepts, how the afterlife works, the basic relationships of man and woman, etc., from the dynamic planetary, plasma formations as witnessed in the skies in recent history.

Here are a series of articles on the thunderbolt. I hope you will leave the links live, that way readers can quickly jump btw. articles, pics and links to get a more holographic immersement in the data. I am posting all these links here because it seems your forum has little interest in actually trying to absorb their concepts by going to their websites. By keeping the links live you will facilitate a much easier and enhanced learning experience. Cutting and pasting each link into the url bar will discourage many of you to simply not peruse the info due to un-necessary irritation.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040928cosmic-thunderbolt-1.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041004cosmic-thunderbolt-2.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041007cosmic-thunderbolt-3.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041012cosmic-thunderbolt-4.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041014cosmic-thunderbolt-5.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041021cosmic-thunderbolt-6.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041104cosmic-thunderbolt.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050111lightning-wheel.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/070709squatterman.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050509plasma-mythology.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051025totem.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041214pedestal-sun.htm


You have consistently, in my view, mitigated the role of plasma and plasma processes in your research of the recent and ancient past. If you begin to grasp the essential connection their research has shown btw. plasma processes in recent times (last 12, 000 yrs or so) and all majors aspects of planetary geology, you cannot fail but to see that plasma has been THE primary influence in the past thousands of years of human experience.


Naturally you are right in pointing out that there may have been many cataclysms.

But what I want to trace out is the real possibility of saturn theory's "qualitatively" more important resonance with world myth, GPS oriented petroglyphic etchings (by the millions!!), etc., than other earlier cataclysms. Careful lest you be turning your noses up at some pearls of synthesized research knowledge mated with concrete and logical associations.

The elegant functional identity (reich) that their model nicely supports is this: the shift from a prior atavistic golden age union-consciousness (STO - unconsciously expansive), mediated by the plasmatic Tree of Life and its various morphologies (the planet enjoying a worldwide tropical atmosphere, witness limes in the arctic, for example), the polar column on top of which rested the primeval sun (saturn). (the great sunflower or stalk of corn)

And then the qualitative "fall" into polarity based ego (eating of the "polar" tree of good and evil), intellect driven, individuality enhancing environment of alternating hot and cold conditions (sun and moon mirroring movements, for example); where a consistently contractive (STS) mode is at work (having to learn how to live in pulsation of contraction and expansion, generating and dying self applied effort).

The "gods" flew away into the stars: planets on their far orbits. Note that the highest productivity, and creativity arises out of the temperate zones of the world where there is a distinct difference of seasons. For a truly enlightening elaboration on this topic I would recommend the book Turning the Solomon Key by Robert Lomas. He verifies the truth of how the rising of major (the original 7) planets right around the the birth statistically gives rise to more highly creative, leader, move-forward human personalities, especially in these temperate zones.


And I do not only reduce the whole process to material actions, by the way, I feel this whole saturn process itself was possibly a vehicle of yet higher beings who used it to further certain creative possibilities for man. And I do not deny the very possible interweaving of this process by the visits of various beings, physical or otherwise (like platos creative daimons). Yet it was possibly also the only vehicle for the birth of modern sovereignty consciousness: traumatized into individuality and then learning how to reconnect without the benefits, or securities of old consciousness "kenning". We had to do it out of a self controlled thinking method, the "metanoia" (changing your state of mind) of Jesus Christ, we had to do it inwardly conscious of unity without perhaps viscerally ever knowing it.



Another thing that Henry brought up was the idea of Clube and Napier that the planetary names were just shifted from comets onto the distantly moving planets. The problem with this hypothesis is that completely ignores what our ancestors actually said in the primary themes of myth in regards to the specific relationships of mars, venus and saturn:

Saturn—the ancient god and planet, the central luminary of the sky

* Why did the first astronomers celebrate the planet Saturn as the first supreme god?
* Why did ancient people sacrifice their children to Saturn?
* Why was the original Sabbath, the most sacred day of the week, named after Saturn?
* Why did ancient nations invoke Saturn as the primeval "sun?"
* Why did early astronomies declare that Saturn ruled from the celestial pole?
* Why do so many modern religions carry remnants of Saturn worship?


Go look for yourself about these things, I am telling you that myth cannot be very far removed from the primal relationships of these early planetary configurations and the polar column without just then losing all its contextual meaning and mooring in physical reality. They are not just metaphorical or imaginary or only artistic exaggerations, not just psychological inner renditions or just references to "inner planes".

Read Mircea Eliade and just see the major dominance of the polar column, the world tree, the cosmic thunderbolt, the stairway to heaven, and begin to allow yourself to map these stories onto a hypothesized material manifestation of plasma and...then....all these pieces start falling into place about dragons and their habits, rapunzel letting down her hair for the prince to climb up and down (reference to the dynamic of venus and mars to-ing and fro-ing from each other, a plasma discharge spanning their distance, the totem poles of the indians, the maoris, the polynesians, the adventures of Maui "roping" the "sun" (saturn), etc.

If you look deeply into the freemasons, among others, they were obsessed with venus and especially its conjunction before dawn with mercury to be the "morning star" . The utter connection of venus to the heart of many esoteric traditions is absolutely astonishing and that too has very little reference on your site. Venus can be shown to be the fundamental basis of all measurements systems. (see the book CivilsationOne) I see this obsession with the planets as a holdover and memory from a time when the planets were much closer and had a much higher impact on humanity. But also there seems to be a real science in regard to exposing babies to the effects of the rising planets over the horizon as described by Alan Butler and Robert Lomas so ably in their books. This was also possibly done in Celtic England. Rosslyn chapel can be shown to have actually had a highly ingenious way of very exactly magnifying the light of venus and mercury, in its morning star configuration, and sending it through red and blue crystal, alone and combined, into the interior of the chapel, so much so that the nave would actually glow with the astral starlight....



And what does it mean for now and today? I see that the primal archetypes of this whole saturn evolution hypothesis are alive and powerful in modern consciousness today. Note the complete electrical analogies the matrix series emphasizes, note the the lord of the ring series with it's ring (of saturn) of power and the great burning eye on the column that creates death and destruction. Notice how Moloch (saturn) is "worshipped" in Bohemian Grove. Suddenly you begin to consider that there is a hidden theme here that runs deep, the desire for the return of the "gods" with all their "plasma" powers. The insane elite are dialed into this, I think, look at all their fascination with EM manipulation. Consider that plasma formations are in fact growing around us every day:

http://rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm

Now I know its from rense but look at the series of the man's videos and judge for yourself. Mighty curious how these gigantic "objects" in near space can be captured with a regular video camera but nary a word is to be heard in the MSM about visible objects the size, at least, of the space station! Look into also the videos of the shuttle space tether debacle where their wire tether attracts all these huge plasma formations, "ufo's" for a lot of people who have looked at these vids without the requisite grounding in plasma processes. The whole solar system is moving into an area of space that is energetically increasing its "bow shock" by 10 times thus leading to the conclusion that 10 times more plasma energy is flooding the solar system as a whole. Witness the radically changing conditions on all planets, not just on planet earth due to "global warming", what a joke, I guess we are affecting the whole solar system with our greenhouse gas emissions!!!!

http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004/Interplanetary_1.htm

In terms of what I would like to do to help this situation I will paste a couple of posts from another forum where I lay out ideas of how I would consider going about helping what I see to be a suffering humanity laboring under severe traumatic disease impacts:

Here I state how I would try to begin on a course of cure for the world wesen (essence, genius, entity) due to the recent traumatic past:

I would maintain that the whole shift from group consciousness to individuality was not just a random chance direction in human evolution but the goal and purpose of it. Rudolf Steiner was the best advocate of this concept. He described it as a polarity: the dominance of the pregnant, intangible "wisdom" forces unconsciously guiding humanity in the past balanced by the modern shift into precipitated forms of all kinds of different "knowledge" systems of subject/object perspective so as to facilitate the beginnings of self-reflection and self evolution. Steiner maintained that the "gods" (forces, powers, energies; grounded physically in the actions of plasma) slowly receded and withdrew from intimate relationship with man so as to allow man the efflorescence of intellect that could construct concepts and ideas that were not intrinsically bound to the "sacred numerical canon" (Plato). Thus we have today the ability to think feel and do anything under the sun, generative OR destructive. Looking at the amazingly long lived civilizations of the past (thousands of years even!) you will see at their basis a type of synarchy (the reverse of anarchy).

Every aspect of their societies was completely bound by the "sacred canon". John Michell with his book The Dimensions of Paradise (it is truly a fount of wisdom) has elegantly shown how all the major civilizations of the past used one unified system of numbers: 1-12, powers of 12 and multiples of 72, pi, phi, 7!, 11!, 12! (the exclamation mark after the number means that every number from 1 to that number is multiplied together) essentially. These numbers derive directly out of the movements of the cosmos and earth as it exists today. [A]ll the dimensions of the sun, moon, earth, and their relationships can elegantly derive out of them and it can be shown that premier goal of the ancients was to create/engineer temples that numerically, materially, electrically, "orgonically", etc. exactly as possible resonated with all the divine constants by uniting terrestrial, telluric energies with cosmic, solar (plasma!!) fields. This was symbolised by them in the union of 1080 (radius of the moon) ("negative" lunar dominated wisdom of the past) with 666 ("positive" solar, rational knowledge more associated with the present) to create the number of fusion: 1746. Interestingly the ratio of the two numbers is a close approx. of the golden section relationship, namely 1:1.62.


Compare that to today where you have absolutely no sense of unity among various branches of knowledge, witness the completely insane mess cosmology is in. Modern medicine is in no better condition, being the leading cause of death in America. That was why I felt compelled to take up homeopathy as an answer to this splintering of wisdom from knowledge. Natural, dynamic philosophy is almost dead to modern consciousness as a way to synthesize the various branches of far flung, over-intellectualized knowledge we are stuck with today.

I choose to see that everything being explicated on this site is the materially revelatory description of a past AND present dynamic meaningfully alive. Pulsating electro-magnetic (color) interactions ensconced in a polarity of levity (licht, spiritus, logos) and gravity (finsterness, dynamis, sound, mythos) all mediated through the Law of Resonance. I am truly amazed at how the blow by blow elaboration of the saturn sequences lead directly into the qualitative steps of consciousness evolution as described by esotericists.

From a certain objective perspective one could say that it was quite a harsh way to develop man's individuality: by literally shattering his world and causing him to stand outside himself and struggle for survival, yet would we take any of it back now?? Do we not revel in our freedom? The freedom to either engage in Loving acts or Fearful acts, to choose nobility in the absence of the "gods" guidance. Wilhelm Reich was a pioneer in showing how the grounded basis of psychology (with all its neurosis and psychosis) could be shown to be fundamentally the armored blockage of bio-ELECTRIC, sexual energy. He traced this blockage back to about 5-6,000 years ago, right into the window of time of the saturn configuration destruction...He found that when man was freed from his "armor" (somatic or psychic) he reverted to a genitally potent individual that naturally ruled himself through his inner ethos. This to me was the gift of the "Fall". It allowed us to evolve to the state where we could healthily rule our inner and outer circumstance based on our "measured" (grounded!) understanding of earth and cosmos.

I would say that the most grounded rendition of psychology I have come across is Reich's medical orgonomy and IT IS directly related to electricity in it bio-electric form, fused to orgone/torsion field energy. He found that the full orgasmic response (genital primacy) of a healthy un-armored person could be physically measured as an electric field on the skin to give a clue to the health of the individual. Read the interview of Reich where he speaks about Freud, very enlightening - Reich Speaks on Freud



Further...



I wrote,"I am truly amazed at how the blow by blow elaboration of the saturn sequences lead directly into the qualitative steps of consciousness evolution as described by esotericists."

moses wrote:

"If Earth was born from Saturn, or any other such body, and then spent it's
early years in close proximity with Saturn, until breaking away from Saturn,
then one cannot but be amazed at the parallels with human conception,
pregnancy and birth. And just as our births are a trauma that affect us
deeply, so too did the birth of the Earth from mother Saturn have dramatic
effects on humanity."




In response I say, "yeah, my question is, how do we cure it?? In Heilkunst (the art of making whole or the art of curing and healing), (heilkunst.com/homeopathy.com) the system out of which homeopathy sprang, we treat for the birth trauma. It is a very important step. It may seem like a far leap but I believe the laws of scalability (like in plasma processes) can apply to the concept of curing an individual and spanning up to "curing a planet" (and perhaps even further). I think that the "temples" of old (a resonance based technology engaging the law of similars and opposites) must renew themselves in modern form and facilitate a re-tuning of the world organism back to "golden mean/rule/age" state of mind, but now with the the gift of conscious self-consciousness.

I find it fascinating that it is engineers that are championing the EU. Logical to me because they are functionally oriented. They are pragmatic, thus look to practical, simple solutions, that WORK. This theme of engineering runs all through the saturn philosophy (as in all the great work/worship projects thrown up over the ages to, in my mind, harness the plasma reality of their times for alchemical renewal, earth stabilization and psychic evolution).

http://twm.co.nz/torscons.htm

Scan to the bottom half of the link for the stuff directly relating to pyramidal structures...

Is there a deeper possibility of the planets and their configurations having been purposefully used as functions or "nodal points" for a planned ejection/projection/introjection of primal atavistic union consciousness into modern individuality? I ask you, how is it explainable by plasma processes and gravity alone to end up having venus settle into the cosmic motions it now inhabits, with all its natural resonances to the golden-section, and its unique relationship to earth:

http://lunarplanner.com/HCpages/Venus.html

http://lunarplanner.com/HolyCross.html

Along the way the disease aspect of this process shows up as homo schizo but there are always primal seeds of higher consciousness moving along in fits and spurts throughout the ages. Witness the various jumps in consciousness all the way up to the Enlightenment when all the "mystery traditions" went into overtime to make a play for the birth of sovereignty symbolised by the state of mind of America (sovereignty in potentia so far it seems!).

However, the disease of repressed traumas is coming back to haunt man now, time to face our shadow, and overcome the blocks. In regard to the work of James DeMeo, I match his Saharasia hypothesis (that the drying out of the environment lead to dominator contractive consciousness) with the engenderment of the primal disease miasm (an inherited predisposition, generational) called Psora in homeopathy. In homeopathy it is understood that all chronic diseases and conditions spring from this primal state of mind (it leads to the formation of further miasms as well). This state of mind is fundamentally characterized by the feeling of lack, the itch diathesis, it is poverty consciousness, it has a contracted dryness, it is chilly, and unable to think in expansive terms. The founder also traced it back thousands of years into the mists of time. Very appropriate to the disasters of the time, no??"




It is time to treat the miasms of the planetary org. engendered through the saturnian, contractive, fear-based, STS oriented, evolutionary process....




Further...


"I find that there is a profound and grounded connection of the ancient "spiritual " technologies to plasma processes. I keep seeing that some people here are a little averse to the idea that there could be any spiritually uplifting properties to the harnessing of plasma in certain harmonic, resonant processes but I would say that evidence that the ancients left behind is almost irrefutable in this regard. Honestly, if you read The Dimensions of Paradise by John Michell, you will be pleasantly surprised and shocked by the numerical harmony of the earth, sun and moon and cosmos. All the "sacred" structures are exactly keyed to these natural dimensions of reality. And I think that the plasma reality cannot be divorced from these natural harmonies and in fact only strengthens and grounds their natural elegance and power.

I think it is possible to amplify natural living processes so as to empower the generative capacities of humans, all according to natural law (proper use of the law of similars and opposites in their appropriate jurisdiction of action). Meaning we do not need to partake of the "sacrificial" reality that is dominant (watch Esoteric Agenda on google video for a viewpoint on this reality of the sacrificial paradigm ruling us) today: sacrifice your organs to the surgeon, our health to the pharma poisoners, our children to the war machine, etc. The return to the golden age is the return to the application of principled grace (the application of Reason (head) in tandem with Wisdom (gut) to produce Beauty (heart)....

I think the answer to the insane disease processes of our times is to re-engage the resonant systems of the past in a modern context."



Here I am describing how I go about researching and what I see as some qualitative and quantitative functional identities (reich) going on in saturn theory and alchemy:


hello forum

I would like to point out some connections between "wisdom" and knowledge that may not be familiar to some but are well grounded in many languages. They are a polarity that is retained in the old english forms of "witting" and "kenning" (like in old scot - i ken ye) or in german wissen and kennen. The wissen or wit-ting is related to (brain-mind) head knowledge, quantitative, linear, logical, while kennen is connected to the body mind (verified in modern physiology by the fact that the intestinal region has neuronal structures at least equal to the brain), visceral understanding, qualitative, lateral, associative "thinking".

In german, science is actually called, very appropriately, wissenschaft, thus specifically distinguishing it from the kennen understanding. You notice this in science today with its materialist, quantitative bias. It is believed that science cannot deal with qualitative phenomena. Look to Steiner, Goethe, Reich and Hahnemann for a true qualitative science merged WITH quantitative science. Tesla is in here too, consider how he would only read Goethe at one stage, which I guarantee led to his ability to phenomenologically "see" his scientific insights in a "living" manner. That was the essence of Goethe's contribution to science.

Consider that the greeks had many different words for mind and they were NOT synonomous. Just to get a sense of their qualities think of these "minds" as roughly relating to the chakra sequence from sacral to crown. When greek is translated into modern english all the distinctions are lost. Consider how we sometimes say "we are of two minds", or i am at odds with myself, or more crassly, he's thinking with his little head instead of his big head....

We do not in our private lives use witting to pick our mates, but the kennen function is what works most in telling us if the relationship is right for us. Also if someone asked you to tell them what a person is like, you will generally share about their qualities as opposed to their quantities (height, weight, eye color, etc.)

i know initially this will seem arbitrary to some but if you allow yourself to sink into this polarity of knowing things (more profoundly, understanding the relationship BTW. things) it can lead to a much richer understanding of phenomena.

Bringing these ideas to bear on the topic at hand, what has fascinated me about the saturn configuration is its three-fold nature - saturn, venus, mars and how it elegantly relates to the three-fold nature of man as described by esotericists everywhere, to wit: thinking, feeling, and willing or the tri-partite union of head, heart and hand. In alchemy these three processes are known as salt, mercury and sulphur. Is it not interesting how nicely these fit with the posited activities of saturn, venus and mars.

Saturn is associated with salt, thinking, formation. Thinking is a precipitative phenomenon, we must precipitate out linear, logical thought so as to communicate among each other. Thinking, esoterically, is considered a contractive, "death"-like process, perfectly appropriate to Saturn. This is the nature of salt, it is a precipitation, it is used to preserve things, it inhibits life, thus it is qualitatively associated with death. We need a cool head for thinking, as in don't be a hothead, use your brain. Thinking is best done in quietness and stillness and Saturn was the moveless mover. Elegant analogy for how thought operates, we don't need to move to think, yet thoughts can galvanize revolutions! Power indeed.

"Heaven (“when heaven was close to earth”)
Motionless sun, superior sun
Primeval unity, creator
Founder of the Golden Age
First in the line of kings
Dying or displaced god."

Mercurial, heart feeling is, of course, Venus. Consider her mercurial nature, always changing, isn't that the way of the heart, lashing out when it is hurt, nuturing when it is loved. The heart is always rhythmically pulsating, keeping the balance btw. still thinking and active willing. She is the midpoint btw. complete action and complete rest. That is actually how the heart can last so long, it embodies in its actions of systole and diastole this polarity, it is our sensing organ par excellance...The heart is known to radiate a large (12 foot?) torus of EM energy.

"Mother goddess as “Great Star”
Eye, heart, and soul of the primeval sun
Animating life, power, glory of the primeval sun
Hub and spokes of the cosmic wheel
Plant of life
Crown of the warrior-hero
Shield of the warrior-hero"

Willing is all mars, he was the executive power of saturn, his right hand. Think of his constant movement to and fro btw. earth and venus. The redness of mars can be associated with redness of sulphur, go look at any homeopathic descriptions of the state of mind and symptoms of sulphur and you will be amazed at the connections you can "qualitatively" make btw. sulphur and mars.

"Warrior-hero, warrior king
Innermost heart of the heart
Child in the goddess-womb
Child on the goddess’ lap
Pupil of the eye (or eye goddess)
Axle of the cosmic wheel
Active will of the creator"

I am bringing these qualitative distinctions up because I sense that Grey Cloud is attempting to bring this side of knowing into the equation, but it can be difficult without the appropriate verbal tools, so to speak. I hope I can become a bridge of sorts in this regard. When he is referring to wisdom, he is, I believe, trying to put his finger on the unific nature of the wisdom (as opposed to the endless splintering of todays scientistic knowledge where natural philosophy has no place anymore) of the past where all phenomena and processes were thought ("known") to go back to non-material, esoteric, qualitative distinctions that are somewhat linked to the ideal forms or archetypes of Plato but also to the idea of hierarchies of greater beings than ourselves that inform\influence our growth and evolution, materially and psychically. In that sense you could consider the planetary configurations to be a type of template through which these greater powers and principalities chose to direct mankind into individual consciousness.

This concept alone: of humanity rising out of atavistic union-consciousness and evolving into individual ego-consciousness is a profound qualitative process that, to me, is elegantly grounded in and partially explained by the shocking and traumatizing effects of the destruction of the grand planetary conjunction, the end of the golden age, the time to fend for ourselves and make our own way.

I have a great and profound respect for Donald, Wal and David in their attempts to unify and synthesize our understanding of the past and how it is informing the mind and culture of the present. It has truly illuminated my world and brought amazing clarity to many of the qualitative phenomena I study. However, in the sense, to them, the plasma processes are only physical phenomena that led to mimicry by awestruck people of the past. Or this is what I infer from their explication of the whole process. At one level I accept this, because their elaboration of how various culture glorified these cosmic processes naturally leads to these conclusions.

But can you not see how the very actions of these physical phenomena can be seen to be informed by greater qualitative processes. I have tried to, in a small way, show this concept in my associations of three-foldedness btw. quantitative and qualitative phenomena. Now one could argue that the physical processes were simply introverted, in a sense, into the psyche of mankind. Even accepting that idea I still see an amazing elegance to the concept that this three-folded planetary configuration with its life-like plasma movement could so profoundly generate the template for the rise of modern human consciousness with all its horrors AND wonders...(you and I here today discussing in this objective and co-creative manner) This associative thinking is more the earmark of wisdom and in fact that is what I see very much informing the study of this whole planetary/plasma phenomenon. I am very impressed with the work of the people of this site in that regard.


(Here I am making an association of the processes noted in Hans Jenny's cymatic experiments with sound frequency and the creation of stable yet dynamic 3-d shapes and the larger 2012 process we are engaged in right now:)

"I really like the reality (analogy, metaphor) of the stages of harmonic stability, chaos, then re-integration into a higher, more encompassiong harmonic pattern seen in Jenny's cymatics. Clearly we are in the chaos phase btw. two stable harmonic patterns. In fact, this is what may be inferred from the Mayan's idea that we are in the "no-time" btw. the 5th sun and 6th sun (may be btw. 4th and 5th, not sure), said to be from 1987 til 2012. So the concept is that a new crystallization will emerge around that "time" ........ - to me, it is better to see such phenomenological processes as not locked into linear, cause and effect paradigms but rather that we are more seeing an evolution of A (grand) STATE OF MIND through various configurations that flow two ways (past>now<future), rather like the models of two super-imposed vortexual systems a la plasma morphology or magnet dynamics. Metanoia on a grand scale is about to occur.... How can we Direct it into the most beneficial STO as possible outcome, is the great quest(ion)?????

Below is a very important thread link that goes into the true "fourfold" nature of magnetism and destroys the typical N/S bar magnet, iron filings polar field model you always got in school. This fourfoldedness can be applied to other phenomena as well, like in how I view the cosmic-superimposition (reich) of consciousness as a two way street of past and future converging on the now (the "magnetic" null point)

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=magnetic+fields+four+fold


In closing, dear forum, I hope I have answered your questions to some degree while presenting some of my thoughts on how we could help humanity based on a deeper understanding of our traumatic roots grounded in plasma oriented saturn theory...

Thank you for your reading patience

Best
PolarityParadox

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

Hey All,

This is an important thread with some compelling info on the plasma effects on mars and what Anthony Peratt has completely independantly found that very much strengthens the saturn hypothesis

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=269&p=4404#p4404

Peratt shows an amazing resonance in his work to the saturn hypothesis by his direct collation of 1000's of petroglyphs that map out into a compellingly similar plasma discharge image that looks just like a 3 planet configutory alignment as posited by talbott based on his mythological reconstructions. A nice convergence btw. two seperate avenues of research....

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

In regard to the possibility of "stopping, inhibiting or averting" a coming cataclysm. I think that a re-engagement of plasma mediated technology such as it represented by pyramids (egypt and south america, china) could be harnessed as a type of tool/weapon against incoming projectiles, or as a buffer for extreme plasma instabilities, witness once again the known qualities of pyramidal structures to mitigate earthquakes, and channel generative "torsion fields" into foods , make seeds grow better and so on.

Examine the work of Frank Joseph in regards to the fundamentally electric nature of ancient technologies, nan mandol, easter island, etc. His work shows that societies created projects powerful enough to engage the environment on a WORLD scale, for their safety and generative growth capacity. We need to do something similar...

I maintain that all this "technology" has its most logical context in a highly plasmatically active reality, being the plasmically unstable wind-down from the earlier grand Saturn alignment...

And the potential is building again, The wave is coming, how will we engage it, contractively or expansively???

PolarityParadox

 

[Laura]

Saturn Theory

You might want to read Victor Clube's books "The Cosmic Serpent" and "Cosmic Winter" for some additional insight regarding "planets" and "gods" and so forth. He has some very interesting ideas that are based on good science.

 

[polarityparadox]

Saturn Theory

Thank you Laura, I will go see if their books are available on google books...