Time and Wave Collapse

[Sarrestia]

I had been thinking about some of the sessions from the Wave series and the references to how the Lizzies could easily traverse through time, back and forth, to affect people and events. I had this thought:

Since the Cassiopaeans have repeatedly stated that there is no Time, save for what 3D entities feel, than it would not be the case that the Lizzies are moving back and forth through time. With the idea of wave function collapse in quantum theory, since every thought, step, etc that we, as individual observers, make, a wave function collapses. Until we look, step, etc, the wave function allows for an infinite number of possible choices. Can we also look at the past in a similar function? Once we take that step, and the wave function collapses for that instant, could it be possible that when we take a step away from that particular choice (putting it into our past), that the wave function opens back up, in a sense. That by moving forward into the next wave collapse, the 'past' becomes an infinite number of possible occurrences. The wave would only re-collapse when we tried to remember a particular moment in the 'past'. This could also account for changing memories to the past, since (if I remember partly correctly) that the brain does operate at a quantum level, especially within the mind (when the mind's owner is not using perception of the exterior world- a the method for wave function collapse).


With this idea that even the past is a wave function, collapsible by an observer of that wave function, it could be very possible that a 4D entity, STS, would have the technology, awareness and knowledge to insert themselves as an observer of the wave function, and collapse the wave based on their own perceptions and ideas, meaning choices. Thus, changing the 'past'.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I had been thinking about some of the sessions from the Wave series and the references to how the Lizzies could easily traverse through time, back and forth, to affect people and events. I had this thought:

Since the Cassiopaeans have repeatedly stated that there is no Time, save for what 3D entities feel, than it would not be the case that the Lizzies are moving back and forth through time.

Well, the C's haven't really said there is 'no time' per se, only that our linear perception of it is illusory. The 'concept of time', according to them, exists in all densities but is rather cyclical, mostly in a way we can't comprehend considering our awarness restrictions.

They have also said that not only the future is open, but the present and past as well!

December 26, 1998

Q: (A) But, still I want to understand what was all this talk about tetrahedrons. So, I thought about tetrahedrons that I have worked with and met in my research. There were several occasions. First, there are tetrahedrons which we need if you build a continuous theory of completely discrete elements. Then we do the triangulation of the surface, or we need tetrahedrons to triangulate space, so let me call it Place One. Place Two: tetrahedrons I understood as symbols because tetrahedrons have three edges from each vertex, so I thought this three should represent third order differential equations. Place Three: I use tetrahedrons for describing magnetic monopoles, but they were not necessary, and I have no other way to put tetrahedrons into the idea to bend geometry. If things are fluffy, what are tetrahedrons doing there? I have no clue at all! So, I want to ask about a possibility of describing different densities. It came to my mind that perhaps Einstein, when you spoke about variable physicality, that Einstein was afraid when he understood that in his work. I thought about this and I think that Einstein determined that the future must be determined from the past and present, and when he found that he had a theory where the future was open, he dismissed it and was afraid. Is this a good guess that variable physicality, mathematically, means a theory where there is a freedom of choosing the future when past and present are given?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Is it related to the fact that we should use higher order differential equations, not second order?

A: Yes. Einstein found that not only is the future open, but also the present and the past. Talk about scary!!

Now about the 'lizzies', the C's have also said that they can very well move through time, in the past for instance, create an alternative universe and merge it with current one we experience. So that would affect our whole time line actually and according to them, has been done many times.

January 4/5 1997

Q: (L) And, can infinite numbers of "dimensions" exist within each level of density, even if temporary?

A: Yes. If you want to go back and change "history," either for individuals or for universal perception, you must first create an alternate universe to do it. Your 4th density STS "friends" have been doing this a lot.

Q: (L) If you, being a general term, create an alternate universe, does the former one continue to exist, or does the former one merge into the new one?

A: Both.

Q: (L) If the former one continues to exist, does it exist and evolve on its own, disassociated with the second one, or this offshoot?

A: Clarify.

Q: (T) The universe you are in: you are going along and say, "I think I will create a new Universe." You do it, and move to it, and you bring your universe with you. That is the merging of realities. But, when you move to the new universe, you are no longer in the original one which continues along on its own. The pattern of the old universe, you bring into the new one, and when you become part of the new universe you have just created, you are no longer part of the old one you just left. It just goes along with everybody else there. (L) Is this correct?

A: Sort of... remember, one can create all ranges of types of alternate possibilities.

Q: (L) So you could create a new universe with a new "past," even?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in that way, both actually occur and you can change the whole thing?

A: When merged, the former never existed.

Q: (T) Not for the person creating the new universe, but the former will continue for everybody else.

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, for the person creating a new universe, the former never existed, but the other beings who are satisfied with that old universe, and "go" with it, are still continuing along as though...

A: Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area.

With the idea of wave function collapse in quantum theory, since every thought, step, etc that we, as individual observers, make, a wave function collapses. Until we look, step, etc, the wave function allows for an infinite number of possible choices. Can we also look at the past in a similar function?

Very probable from what I know so far.

Hope it helps!

Peace.

EDIT: Grammar etc.

 

[threecaster]

From the way I understand things, Maybe we could say there is "Alltime", but that maybe would sound as if speaking of absolutes, instead of concepts...

Sarrestia: I agree with your Point Of View, in regards to changing the past; plus maybe you have found a way to entertain thoughts as to the mechanics of how shifts arrive at our Now.

(and JayMark, thanks for the Excellent Extractions)

In order for physical manifestation (say manufacturing a washing machine) to take place, an entire system must grow into that universe to support the conversion of stuffs into an appliance. Now, given that linearity in that universe, it may be possible to align the vibrations of a conscious existence to those of a universe that has never had washing machines, ("It's just a jump to the left") then all those factories would likely be making Soccer Equipment or something....

Just like if someone were to attract themselves into a reality where you could acquire a fully functional Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator, then you very well could eat lunch with someone from Illudium Heavy Industries.

I have been picking up odd events from members of other forums occasionally how they speak of remembered facts, that they cannot find in particular books anymore. Places they remembered that they cannot find when going back decades later...

So it may very well be that this is actually occurring. The real question I suppose is, Do our memories stay with us longer than the events (after the event has wandered off into another past)? Does our existence as Humans grant us some independent resonance of our own, even if subtly different from the universe we just subtly shifted into?

And conversely, can we remember things that have not happened yet?

 

[anart]

Just like if someone were to attract themselves into a reality

What do you mean by "attract themselves"?

I have been picking up odd events from members of other forums occasionally how they speak of remembered facts, that they cannot find in particular books anymore. Places they remembered that they cannot find when going back decades later...

So it may very well be that this is actually occurring.

Or they are using their imagination or their cognition is deteriorating, both of which are actually more likely.

The real question I suppose is, Do our memories stay with us longer than the events (after the event has wandered off into another past)?

An event, by definition, exists within a certain time/space frame of reference. A memory is a recording of such an event, thus exists outside of the limits of said time/space frame of reference.

Does our existence as Humans grant us some independent resonance of our own, even if subtly different from the universe we just subtly shifted into?

And conversely, can we remember things that have not happened yet?

Are you familiar with the term "wiseacring" as used by G.I. Gurdjieff?

 

[threecaster]

[quote author=anart]
What do you mean by "attract themselves"?
[/quote]

Hmmm....yes.... this is one of the extensions of the Law of Attraction (or "you tend to become what you think about the most"), combined with a reversal of the traditional perspective of the world as viewed external to ourselves. So rather than moving yourself through the world, you are bringing a world to yourself, via changing your vibrational state to match (thusly drawing unto yourself such a state) the vibrational state of the desired destination. (We do it all the time subconsciously, within the limits of the Background Continuity most of the time, but we are not expressly limited to such)

Do you agree with modern physicists when they speak of the theory of moving through the "multi-verses" by using your choices?

And do you agree with the OP?

An event, by definition, exists within a certain time/space frame of reference. A memory is a recording of such an event, thus exists outside of the limits of said time/space frame of reference.

Splendid! Thusly this partly explains distortions of memory, as the information from the event is a translation from one frame to another. Nice.

Are you familiar with the term "wiseacring" as used by G.I. Gurdjieff?

No, but I am processing LOTS of new info here; I'll add it to my list.

Thanks!

 

[anart]

[quote author=anart]
What do you mean by "attract themselves"?

Hmmm....yes.... this is one of the extensions of the Law of Attraction (or "you tend to become what you think about the most"), combined with a reversal of the traditional perspective of the world as viewed external to ourselves. So rather than moving yourself through the world, you are bringing a world to yourself, via changing your vibrational state to match (thusly drawing unto yourself such a state) the vibrational state of the desired destination. (We do it all the time subconsciously, within the limits of the Background Continuity most of the time, but we are not expressly limited to such)

Do you agree with modern physicists when they speak of the theory of moving through the "multi-verses" by using your choices?[/quote]

You may want to search the forum for "The Secret" since the whole "Law of Attraction" idea, especially at this level of reality, is pretty much wishful thinking mixed with illusion. Have you read any G.I. Gurdjieff?

No, but I am processing LOTS of new info here; I'll add it to my list.

Thanks!

If you want to hang around and participate on this forum, it will benefit you greatly to read the material on which this forum is based. That would be the works of Laura Knight-Jadczyk (starting with the Wave Series that is available for free online) and the works of Ouspensky and Gurdjieff. That way, you'll get up to speed on what it is we do here and can more clearly decide whether or not this forum is a good fit.

 

[threecaster]

I'm still soaking up a lot of new stuff.

Well, I think you're generalizing when you run to "the secret". That movie is simply one POV of a greater structure.

I'm personally experiencing the law of attraction working with great consistency for me right now, so much so my guides have started repeating. "Now it's up to you." I'm preparing some projects to study it's relationship with Intent-vs-Need.

I do agree speaking the same language will help a lot. Give me time. I'll have plenty of time here to figure it out.

:)

 

[Foxx]

I'm still soaking up a lot of new stuff.

Well, I think you're generalizing when you run to "the secret". That movie is simply one POV of a greater structure.

I'm personally experiencing the law of attraction working with great consistency for me right now, so much so my guides have started repeating. "Now it's up to you." I'm preparing some projects to study it's relationship with Intent-vs-Need.

I do agree speaking the same language will help a lot. Give me time. I'll have plenty of time here to figure it out.

:)

Hi threecaster,

You appear to be well intentioned, but you also don't seem to know anything about the 4D STS control structure, disinformation/COINTELPRO, spirit attachments, STS vs STO, hypnosis, synchronicities designed to lead people astray, and a whole host of other aspects of our reality that serve to keep people asleep. I'd suggest reading The Wave as soon as possible because it really will conclusively dispel a number of myths you currently believe in. This would be more beneficial to you than any "projects" you have regarding the disinfo "law of attraction", especially if they came to you via your "guides" (this is just one way 4D STS controls people to make them do their bidding). I'm also not exactly certain that we have plenty of time to do anything, so perhaps a bit of expediency would be to your benefit with regards to reading The Wave.

 

[webglider]

Quote from Sarrestia:

Since the Cassiopaeans have repeatedly stated that there is no Time, save for what 3D entities feel, than it would not be the case that the Lizzies are moving back and forth through time. With the idea of wave function collapse in quantum theory, since every thought, step, etc that we, as individual observers, make, a wave function collapses. Until we look, step, etc, the wave function allows for an infinite number of possible choices. Can we also look at the past in a similar function? Once we take that step, and the wave function collapses for that instant, could it be possible that when we take a step away from that particular choice (putting it into our past), that the wave function opens back up, in a sense. That by moving forward into the next wave collapse, the 'past' becomes an infinite number of possible occurrences.

The wave would only re-collapse when we tried to remember a particular moment in the 'past'. This could also account for changing memories to the past, since (if I remember partly correctly) that the brain does operate at a quantum level, especially within the mind (when the mind's owner is not using perception of the exterior world- a the method for wave function collapse).

Strange that I should encounter this today when I have been thinking so much about the past. There are a few decisions I've made and actions I've taken that I deeply regret. Upon recollecting one, I become very sad and feel much regret while when recollecting the other, I become overcome by rage. I wish that I could travel back in time and make amends for the first and side step the second. The emotions more than the actual memories take me back to those periods in my life. But when I can extricate myself from the emotions, I can make decisions and resolutions that may affect the future. For example, I become aware that I am about to make the same mistake I've made
before and with that information, I then can choose a different response. I can plan it in advance. So it's sort of like the past informs the present and that present which is informed b will become the future informs that future which will inform the futures of that future.

I think this is what Sarrestia is saying, and please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[anart]

I'm still soaking up a lot of new stuff.

Well, I think you're generalizing when you run to "the secret". That movie is simply one POV of a greater structure.

I'm personally experiencing the law of attraction working with great consistency for me right now, so much so my guides have started repeating. "Now it's up to you." I'm preparing some projects to study it's relationship with Intent-vs-Need.

I do agree speaking the same language will help a lot. Give me time. I'll have plenty of time here to figure it out.

:)

Please read the Wave Series in its entirety.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Hmmm....yes.... this is one of the extensions of the Law of Attraction (or "you tend to become what you think about the most"), combined with a reversal of the traditional perspective of the world as viewed external to ourselves. So rather than moving yourself through the world, you are bringing a world to yourself, via changing your vibrational state to match (thusly drawing unto yourself such a state) the vibrational state of the desired destination.

What about others and their own free will? Are you implying that just 'wishing' for something can change the thought patterns of others so you get what you want?

What about all the misery in the world? Are you implying that all this suffering happens because people 'attract it' to their lives? All the billions of people who have no access to potable water and/or food? All the innocents that are killed during wars/conflicts?

How can each of us individually 'bring a world to ourselves'? Would you imply we all live in a diffrent world? What about collective consciousness?

I strongly suggest, like anart, that you get into the Wave series. You should begin by getting up-to-date with the concept of hyperdimensional reality, consciousness, densities, STS vs STO, STS manipulation/deception, the powers that be (PTB), psychopathy, the Fall of Mankind, even the concept of "you create your won reality" (YCYOR) etc etc etc.

You could also check the cassiopaea glossary as well.

Do you agree with modern physicists when they speak of the theory of moving through the "multi-verses" by using your choices?

If it's a theory, then it means it is based on solid data. What is the science behind that you refer to? The multiverse theory is also discussed in the Wave series as well but not really in the manner you bring up.

And do you agree with the OP?

The OP raises more questionning than anything else. And it dosen't seem to go in the same way you do.

Peace.

And read up!

 

[threecaster]

In the spirit of keeping on topic, I will make only this comment on "The Law of Attraction"; which pardon my faux pas at invoking as such: That is just the label on the tool I found. You would blame me for calling a hammer a hammer, and for daring to use it to use it in a way it was designed?

Now in regards to current science concerning multiverse theory:

A common tenant of Quantum Physics is that particles do not exist as such, but exist as a conglomeration or convergence of energies, the behavior and location of which can be estimated with probabilities. The act of observing this arena is also a player, as the act of observing Collapses The Probabilities, often to meet the expectations of the observer.

This observation has has been the derivation of The Double Slit Experiment, and continues to be supported by String Theory, and Quantum Electro-Dynamics.

Now, to expand this pattern of behavior further up on the physical scale (Ah! Quantum Physics does not apply to the Real World...see below) and physicist are now finding that there may be in fact an infinite number of dimentions, and we are swimming through billions of them every second.

Just as when a photon leaves an emitter, passes through a splitter, and can then travel to Detector A or Detector B. There is a lab assistant in BOTH adjacent realities, and one sees A light up, and the other observes B.

Now, it is this type of behavior that is occurring all the time, and IMO the underlying mechanics of what the OP was referring to. Just as we have persistence of vision when we watch a movie, and do not notice the individual frames, we also posses Persistence of Reality, where see the reality, and not the frames that construct it.

Just as a movie needs a projector and a source of illumination, our reality requires the same. Only in this case the Illumination is the Creator, and the lens is our Point Of View.

"We cannot see past the choices we do not understand." Sage advice, considering it's from a movie...("wait a second, if we view movies as fiction...and the analogy keeps going....")

So as we see and understand ("It's All Lessons") then we can modulate the illumination to affect our movie. This occurs through the endless process of unfolding into the now, via our Awareness and Intent. (And is it not the goal of discerning and removing Programs in order to bring ourselves into a state of Awareness, in which Intent is Clear?)

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It becomes a logical assumption that some entities possess technology that allows them to spread open this mosaic and move themselves through the infinite array of 3D spaces, it then seems reasonable that they are performing some kinds of actions as to influence the otherwise natural state of reality space.

Perhaps this is not considered "time travel" to such a point of view, more like "orchestrating realities" so that many of the realities that inbue fear, isolation, degradation and so become part of our paradigm.

Despite their efforts, as humans, we are imbued with the faculties to modulate this "Dream Soup", thusly able to not only subvert their STS intentions, but deny them any access altogther. ("That was a nasty little thing." " Yea ignore it, I try not to feed strays....")

(From above: the first quantum object on a macro scale:) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18669-first-quantum-effects-seen-in-visible-object.html

 

[anart]

In the spirit of keeping on topic, I will make only this comment on "The Law of Attraction"; which pardon my faux pas at invoking as such: That is just the label on the tool I found. You would blame me for calling a hammer a hammer, and for daring to use it to use it in a way it was designed?

No one is blaming you for anything. You have merely been asked to please read the material this forum is based on if you intend to participate here. That is not an unusual nor extreme request, so are you interested in sincerely participating here?

 

[Deleted member 8431]

In the spirit of keeping on topic, I will make only this comment on "The Law of Attraction"; which pardon my faux pas at invoking as such: That is just the label on the tool I found. You would blame me for calling a hammer a hammer, and for daring to use it to use it in a way it was designed?

Nobody is blaming/judging. Perhaps you feel that way because we simply do not agree with your own personal definition of the law of attraction.

See, we are not against the concept of "you create your own reality". We simply have determined that the law of attraction, as promulgated by "The Secret" (and other variants) is simply disinformation and more so, a vicious and dangerous lie. Anybody who is able to be critical and objective can easily see/understand the flaws of such a concept without even invoking science.

You Create Your Own Reality - This is a common New Age belief that states that the things on which one concentrates one's attention increase. By thinking about the positive one is expected to experience same.

The QFS sees the matter very differently, although the QFS also acknowledges that reality and consciousness interact, however not in the way generally promulgated by the New Age movement.

According to the Cassiopaeans, this is a fundamental property of the service to self orientation. The core idea of wishful thinking is that one prefers one's personal subjective preference over knowledge of the objective state of matters. This is a statement to the universe to the effect that the being does not wish to exist in said universe because the being's fantasies are preferred. This then ties with the idea of the thought center of non-being and separation of self from all which is.

In the third density wishful thinking does not physically bend reality, it only hampers perception.

Please, threecaster, read the material presented here. Laura et al. have dedicated decades of their lives (and a lot of energy) so far so sum it up so just coming here to post your own personal subjectivity without considering the data on which we base our Work on is not very considerate for those who are really and seriously invested into it.

As Laura have already said; "So many people want a free lunch. Those are the people that usually ARE lunch!"

Peace.

 

[threecaster]

I am pleased to see the Amplitude and Direction of your responses are shifting. And counter point taken with Loving Intent. There is an insidious taint to that "documentary", the aftertaste something lice saccharin...

Laura and her friends work seems to be a parallel track to that which I have arrived on my own. Thusly you can understand my excitement when discovering such a place as this, with other persons discussing the same concepts, even if I am speaking it from another place of origin.

Even though I may come from the land of Nod, I can hope that our Expressionist Barriers may merge into Complete Communication.

And I do apologize if I appear like I am being jostled by everyone's comments that are addressed directly to me. Sociality is not my strength, and one of my current challenges is to "network". I posses, or choose to hold, a POV that seems rather obtuse to most persons in general, thusly this makes for challenging syntax when communicating via "magic words and phrases". (aka interplay of Meaning and Reason, as emergent from Context).

So my challenge to myself is to meet everyone in the middle. But so many POV's....so little time......

So, Miles of Smiles to you Jay!

:) ;) :D :P :D :) ;D

(but we're getting off topic if there is more discussion merited....)