Tired of trying to wake up anyone

[Al Today]

I call this cornville. 36,000 people in the whole county. I like the quiet, a dream come true for me coming from an 8 lane freeway commute to work every day. Now I commute looking out for farmers, school buses and critters crossing the road on two lane freeways. People at work tolerate my comments, maybe even are entertained by my views. The only outreach i use is facebook. And so many do not comment on my posts' I hopefully attribute the silence to a mirror activity but what do I know. OR the generation I grew up with are brain dead, or are so regretful I give them thoughts that create bad dreams.

 

[Al Today]

May I speak my mind please? Y'all never been able to see my eyes when in conversation. We've never met. At work, I hate email, I hate voice mail, just sometimes I need to "feel" face to face what is needed to satisfy the programming request. This is gotta be tough for you beyond a level I cannot comprehend. Dealing with faceless dialogue must be tough to get a reading. I "think" I do, but I ain't that sensitive.

I post on the facebook garbage and get null responses. Oh, a good song I could get a like or 2 or 5 likes, but when I post what is life going on here on this big blue marble I get nothing back. Makes me wonder if anyone even reads anything i post? Am I giving to much credit to the people I grew up with? Am I trying to communicate to this newer generation that don't give a rats ass or what? Or should I continue to accept a story I heard: 'Tis good to be two(2) days walk from a major city because most people give up after two(2) days walk.?.?.? And have guns...

 

[curious_richard]

Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

The title of your post suggests to me that you are trying to get people to change. That's not considerate. How would you feel if someone wanted you to adopt their religion, and kept nagging you about this or that "religious truth"? You might try to be very polite and just ignore their attempts to change you, while inside you might wish they would just stop bothering you.

It sounds like you are frustrated. That implies that you expect your efforts to make a change in other people. That should be a warning sign. If you share and help when asked, and you have no expectation of changing others, there should be no frustration.

 

[Turgon]

That's a tough one, AL. I can tell you from experience of posting on Facebook, that most folks that 'like' any world-related posts are connected to the forum in some way or another. Although I do get non-forum related people 'liking' and commenting on my posts from time-to-time. I did talk to one fellow who almost never 'likes' any of my postings tell me that he actually reads quite a lot of them and encouraged me to continue posting because he doesn't get that kind of perspective from anyone else on his facebook page. So you never know. It was an off-chance encounter and I didn't really expect to hear that. Which I think what some of what we do on Facebook has to include in it - not expecting or anticipating anyone reading, 'liking', or sharing our postings. But posting it because it's the truth and it needs to be heard and seen. It's up to you to set that example. Whether other people you know pick up on it or not is up to them.

 

[Phill4]

Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

Doens't happen only to you my generation is also brain dead by your terms.


However, don't expect it for people to conect and learn inmediately, people are not braindead, they are living their lives they learned to live , you or we, were offered a "perspective". This perspective let us see that we have the choise and the power to ourselves. Keep that in mind.

They are all living their lives many in complete ignorance, but we here also live in our level of ignorance to a higher being.

Simple conversations let it out, and people are many times open to listen unless extremely narcisistic,

A subject i find it difficult with others to discuss without looking like a crazy person is the subject of ghosts and ufo's. But in leting the person talk first made it easier to bring up things like, dead people hang around, and stuff falling, they feel lonley, they experience no time, they need to find the light and so on, can't bring such out of the blue.

People read the title of my articles at the very least and remain "informed" of what i want to share, and found many young people are drawn to rebelion and such ideas, mothers are more drawn to subjects such as vaccination, health, and good diets, more newage people are drawn to subjects such as castaneda, (newage doesn't mean they can find more sence in the teachings of G. Or castaneda or the transcripts. So in every small social interaction is good to listen to be listened.
People will willingly or unwillingly open up themselves when they share any interanction with you.


As the title suggests you seem tired of others not having your stress in common, i don't think it is something to worry. No need to take the silence to heart.

Take a break and listen to people to learn their "needs".

 

[KJN]

I hear your frustration. It is hard to want folks to jump on information that might unlock something for them and not have it happen. It is hard to sit back and just let it permeate on its own and in its own good time. But that may be the only option - certainly from a distance. And, yeah, it is even harder when we are removed from all those face-to-face clues that signal us that someone is listening...or yawning. It takes time to learn new concepts and it only works when someone is willing to invest in the building blocks of comprehension. Not everyone is a candidate for it either. Even in marketing, the old adage is that it takes 7 times hearing about or seeing a product to get it to register and move that person to buy it. We aren't salesmen, and shouldn't be. All we can do is present information. It is always the responsibility and the willingness of the recipient to accept or reject or ignore it. Obviously there are those who respond. They are us.

 

[Ruth]

Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

I kind of laughed when I read your title.... you mean you haven't already given up?, Lol, whats taking you so long? But seriously, we've all tried to do this. Wake people up about our reality and often, not with the results we would have liked and I speak from experience here. At least most of us have probably tried, because we care, only to find it's more problematic and not as straight forward as it sounds. You think people would be 'grateful', right? Um, n,o they generally don't want to hear stuff that they don't like.

I can think of two main reasons why this might be the case.

Firstly there is what Gudgieff called the 'general law'. That which benefits the organism as a whole and probably is needed for society (or at least those in control of society) to keep us upstart individuals under control. Here's a better explanation.
https://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=General_Law

Then there is the second very important concept, that of free will. People have the right to chose... regardless of how "braindead" or wrong they are about what they want to believe.

I'll give you an example of the types of things that causes me to have a 'bee in my bonnet'. There are two main ones: Vaccinations and mainstream media manipulation (i.e. lying). Wouldn't you know it, but I work in the health care industry and my family is connected or has a background in areas like health care, the media or government. Talk about trying to push a very large boulder up a very steep hill, particularly in these 'sacred' areas! And I just have to challenge them and sometimes my work environment, so I guess I haven't given up about trying to wake people up. Just given up on thinking there may be a positive outcome, or even that it has any impact at all.

 

[whitecoast]

I think Turgon and KJN have good perspectives. We all must learn to live with the fact that only a select few want the truth, or want to truly wake up.

I noticed you began a similar thread in a non-member's section of the forum as well, AL Today:

I call this cornville. 36,000 people in the whole county. I like the quiet, a dream come true for me coming from an 8 lane freeway commute to work every day. Now I commute looking out for farmers, school buses and critters crossing the road on two lane freeways. People at work tolerate my comments, maybe even are entertained by my views. The only outreach i use is facebook. And so many do not comment on my posts' I hopefully attribute the silence to a mirror activity but what do I know. OR the generation I grew up with are brain dead, or are so regretful I give them thoughts that create bad dreams.

The bold statements come across as mind-reading. You may wish to read the thread Are people really looking at you? I think the best we can do in such a situation is not anticipate anything, lest we allow our assumptions about others to control our behavior.

There's an earlier thread you had about your struggles with prosthetics and the phamacophiliac medical establishment. Like you said in this thread, you have a lot of anger, which comes strongly in the above quote. Is there a chance you've unconsciously bought into this belief that you should be emotionally invested in waking others around you up purely for the sake of being disappointed and so finding another subject to vent your anger on? Just food for thought.

 

[Nienna]

I think that remembering that we are not here to save the world, or anybody that doesn't sincerely ask for that matter. We're here to learn our lessons, or as the Cs said:

Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the
wave going to do to expand this awareness?
Because, if the wave is what "gets you
there," what makes this so?
A: No. It is like this: After you have
completed all your lessons in "third grade,"
where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of...
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in
4th grade in order to be allowed to go there?
Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd
density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have
learned all of the lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking
about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these
understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.

So you see, we're not here to wake anyone up. But we can help to put someone who is also understanding that there are lessons to learn on the next step behind us.

For me, I put up articles from SOTT and such as a message to the Universe to let it know where I stand on certain issues; along with having faith that if someone is looking for it, they will find it. Remember, there are certain lessons that each person needs to learn in order to go to the next lesson? And, until they learn those lessons and are ready for the next, they will not want to hear about any new lessons; and, may even dig in their heels to stay where they are at.

Also, the words "anticipate not" come to mind. ;)

fwiw

 

[axj]

Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

People need to get to the point where they want to wake up and they need to get there themselves.

When you talk to someone and see that they already started to wake up, then you can bring in some bits of knowledge to share with them.

 

[SevenFeathers]

Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

My most recent experience of trying to "wake" someone up was with a man who calls himself a Christian. He gets all his news from the MSM and when I suggested he look at sott for some additional information, he did take a look. But then he told me that it has all the same stuff that he saw on TV. :O He says he watches the TV news, and reads the Bible to relate to all that is happening, and that is all he needs.

 

[loreta]

We can become fanatics if we want to change everybody, a preacher, like some you can see on the streets yelling to people Listen listen!!!!! This is a caricature but it can be real. I think we are here to learn, to have pleasure learning, to be a good student. When we are in a class, we don't see or look if others students are studying like us, we don't pursue them to make them study as hard or with the same energy then us. I was a fanatic at the beginning specially with the subject of Aspartame and vaccines. I wanted, forced everyone to be aware of these two venom. The only thing I had is anger from myself.

Accepting that people prefer kittens and talk about kittens than talk about nuclear weapons is ok. You don't want to learn about this reality? It is ok. One day you will learn. That's for me the only way to be in peace. No more anger against people that don't want to see. Anger is still there, always, against psychopaths. ;)

 

[lilyalic]

Remember, there are certain lessons that each person needs to learn in order to go to the next lesson? And, until they learn those lessons and are ready for the next, they will not want to hear about any new lessons; and, may even dig in their heels to stay where they are at.

Yes, I remember the C's saying that if you push an idea or any new lessons onto anybody it can have the adverse effect and steer them away further from ever having a chance to get onto the Work or see any kind of reality.

It's hard, living around other people that live in bubbles. I've said this somewhere else, but before we came into the Work (yes we may have thought "why" a little more than usual people or had some event that changed everything) we were all very similar to those people we see everyday, living in their bubbles and believing what they want to, not letting anyone challenge their beliefs.

At the end of the day, everyone has free will and I think it's our duty to respect that. "cherish the sacred humanity in others" etc...

FWIW I hardly get any likes on Facebook for the things I post, only from Forum members here.

 

[Mr. Premise]

That's a tough one, AL. I can tell you from experience of posting on Facebook, that most folks that 'like' any world-related posts are connected to the forum in some way or another. Although I do get non-forum related people 'liking' and commenting on my posts from time-to-time. I did talk to one fellow who almost never 'likes' any of my postings tell me that he actually reads quite a lot of them and encouraged me to continue posting because he doesn't get that kind of perspective from anyone else on his facebook page. So you never know. It was an off-chance encounter and I didn't really expect to hear that. Which I think what some of what we do on Facebook has to include in it - not expecting or anticipating anyone reading, 'liking', or sharing our postings. But posting it because it's the truth and it needs to be heard and seen. It's up to you to set that example. Whether other people you know pick up on it or not is up to them.

I've also had someone (a friend of my sons') come up to me and rave about my Facebook posts ("especially those about Israel). This surprised me because until then he never had "liked" any of them. Some people aren't in the habit of liking things on Facebook.

Al, you might want to try an attitude of non-anticipation about this.

 

[3DStudent]

+1 on Facebook. I think you'd be surprised about the little wave ripples that are made when you post. I see that sometimes two more aware friends from high school will like some of my SOTT posts. But I was surprised at a family birthday party that a relative said that she reads and enjoys what I post. And I had no idea because she doesn't like or comment on them. I think some people are too afraid to even put it out there that they are curious about some things.