Tired of trying to wake up anyone

Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

AL Today said:
I call this cornville. 36,000 people in the whole county. I like the quiet, a dream come true for me coming from an 8 lane freeway commute to work every day. Now I commute looking out for farmers, school buses and critters crossing the road on two lane freeways. People at work tolerate my comments, maybe even are entertained by my views. The only outreach i use is facebook. And so many do not comment on my posts' I hopefully attribute the silence to a mirror activity but what do I know. OR the generation I grew up with are brain dead, or are so regretful I give them thoughts that create bad dreams.
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It is tough to see people sleep walking through all of this. The thing is, we really don't have the power to wake someone up. That comes from within them and in the big picture, other peoples' ignorance is their lessons. What we can do is keep the lighthouse lit for those who are asking questions and waking up. Social media like Facebook (and Twitter) is a good way to put information out there, so keep it up. You never know who is clicking on the links. I am sometimes surprised to see who of my friends like a particular article and I make an effort to put more of those 'types' of articles up on social media. Anti-Killary stuff is pretty popular... :evil:
Onward and upward, Al! :)
 
Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

Menrva said:
AL Today said:
I call this cornville. 36,000 people in the whole county. I like the quiet, a dream come true for me coming from an 8 lane freeway commute to work every day. Now I commute looking out for farmers, school buses and critters crossing the road on two lane freeways. People at work tolerate my comments, maybe even are entertained by my views. The only outreach i use is facebook. And so many do not comment on my posts' I hopefully attribute the silence to a mirror activity but what do I know. OR the generation I grew up with are brain dead, or are so regretful I give them thoughts that create bad dreams.
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It is tough to see people sleep walking through all of this. The thing is, we really don't have the power to wake someone up. That comes from within them and in the big picture, other peoples' ignorance is their lessons. What we can do is keep the lighthouse lit for those who are asking questions and waking up. Social media like Facebook (and Twitter) is a good way to put information out there, so keep it up. You never know who is clicking on the links. I am sometimes surprised to see who of my friends like a particular article and I make an effort to put more of those 'types' of articles up on social media. Anti-Killary stuff is pretty popular... :evil:
Onward and upward, Al! :)
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I agree with Menrva. You can't change or wake up people. We all have our free will and the only way that you can help somebody is when he asks. Everybody have his own choices in his life , and it is not important to if we agree with their choices or not. We can only change our perspective. And our perspective can be changed only if we learn something new, and to be able to learn we must make a choice to do that and have a strong will to pass all the obstacles on that way. Finding and sharing the objective truth with a people on the same path is the only thing we can do, without violating anyone's free will.
Their choices bring them their lessons. We can use what is available to us to share the knowledge. Social media can be used to spread valuable information. People who are on the similar path will receive and will see the important information. Comparison with a lighthouse that Menrva mentioned is an excellent example
 
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Thank you All for your comments. I understand what has been said. Kinda hurts, but I understand. It's just being out here in the "wilderness". Walking down hallways at work, I "feel" surrounded by almost another species of human. "Feels" as if I am passing people trapped within hardened shells. I don't think myself above anyone nor am I any smarter but perhaps I may be just more informed with a wide open mind. Just went out for a smoke and the word "internalization" popped into mind. Oh-Oh. Methinks this not good. I gotta open up, reach out and stop imploding.

Thanks for allowing me to "get this off my chest". Y'all are helping screw my head back on.
 
Good grief, I gotta gather my wits. I have had so many things going on in my life right now. Numerous vectors of attack? I dunno but when it rains it pours. All at once. Sheets of Rain.

I now realize I started two similar threads. This brain imbalance needs to be controlled. I need a smoke, watch some clouds and quiet this monkey mind.

And thanks for this lead: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26062.msg310742.html#msg310742
I needed that...
 
Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

Yes, people have to wake up on their own. I saw a documentary (?) about cognitive dissonance recently. It helped me a lot to see someone trying to awaken people via rational conversation and looking at some photos/videos with them. Gosh, how people cling to their beliefs! Seeing this from some distance helped me to get over trying to 'help' people.
The film is called Water Time. Here is a snippet from the production showing what ought to be a rational conversation with a rational, well informed individual.:


I found the whole thing to be very depressing, but helpful.
 
With regards to getting responses from people on Facebook when posting something political or from SOTT or something, don't be so sure that there aren't people out there who like what you post, but out of fear or ridicule or backlash or whatever, they don't respond or react to it.

I've had two people who pretty much never respond to anything like that that I post on facebook. The first one was I went to see a friends band in a bar, and there were other of my friends there, and at the end of the night, one of them who had by this time had a few beers came over to say goodbye to me and he said something like, "I love what you post on facebook. I agree with all of it. That picture you posted the other day, that was bang on the money. I could never post stuff like that. Keep it up. Don't stop."

When he said all that, it made me wonder how many other people felt the same way.

Then, on my birthday, people were posting on my wall to wish me happy birthday and one of them said something like, "Happy birthday, T.C. Keep on fighting the power!" And again, this guy had never reacted to any articles I'd posted or comments I'd written.

I think our philosophy with regards to spreading out information via social media is something like this: You never know how even one single article or comment might affect someone, wake them up, be their entry point into the real world and spur them on to start looking into things themselves. You just never know what effect you're going to have, putting out B influences into the realm of A influences.
 
One more thing. If you get despondent with this facebook situation, perhaps you're doing it with the wrong motivations.

Anticipation will inevitably get involved when we're doing something with a certain aim in mind. Try not to post stuff 'in the hope' that it might wake someone up. Post stuff ultimately for yourself. What I mean is, it can be way of expressing an aspect of what makes you who you are. You value truth and understanding and you're going to act by that.

If you can achieve that open and non-anticipatory, self-expressing attitude, then it should matter less whether people respond or not.
 
I agree with many viewpoints here and also think that you cannot anticipate any results, which is of course difficult and a hard lesson to learn. As Turgon wrote there are always exceptions and maybe someone reads and follows just one single post and it is of help to the person for a specific situation. With that it is important to keep on posting as does Sott keeping on publishing articles and you never know if it is of help for someone. Kind of feeding the information field with true information and counterbalancing many more or less senseless posts.
 
T.C. said:
One more thing. If you get despondent with this facebook situation, perhaps you're doing it with the wrong motivations.

Anticipation will inevitably get involved when we're doing something with a certain aim in mind. Try not to post stuff 'in the hope' that it might wake someone up. Post stuff ultimately for yourself. What I mean is, it can be way of expressing an aspect of what makes you who you are. You value truth and understanding and you're going to act by that.

If you can achieve that open and non-anticipatory, self-expressing attitude, then it should matter less whether people respond or not.
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Yes, I agree. For me, my FB wall is in a sense my voice, saying things that I want to express in a given day and in general among friends and acquaintances (the things that I want and choose to share on an online platform, of course). I don't put stuff up to see reactions, but I just say them because I have to, want to, need to say them. If friends like those things or comment on them, I do feel a delight as in, "That's awesome, we share the same values!" Most of the times the people liking and sharing and commenting on our stuff tend to be people from the forum, but that is cool too, because we all end up feeling supported in our values, that sense of belonging, but we are also creating social proof in this way.

Like others mentioned here, I too have examples from relatives or friends who told me in real life that they like and read stuff I am sharing, but I would not know it from their lack of any reaction on FB. So, one never knows.

PS: Al, would you like us to merge the two threads you started, since they are on the same topic? This way all the answers are on the same place, and it is less confusing for you (and us as well :D )
 
Alana said:
T.C. said:
One more thing. If you get despondent with this facebook situation, perhaps you're doing it with the wrong motivations.

Anticipation will inevitably get involved when we're doing something with a certain aim in mind. Try not to post stuff 'in the hope' that it might wake someone up. Post stuff ultimately for yourself. What I mean is, it can be way of expressing an aspect of what makes you who you are. You value truth and understanding and you're going to act by that.

If you can achieve that open and non-anticipatory, self-expressing attitude, then it should matter less whether people respond or not.
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Yes, I agree. For me, my FB wall is in a sense my voice, saying things that I want to express in a given day and in general among friends and acquaintances (the things that I want and choose to share on an online platform, of course). I don't put stuff up to see reactions, but I just say them because I have to, want to, need to say them. If friends like those things or comment on them, I do feel a delight as in, "That's awesome, we share the same values!" Most of the times the people liking and sharing and commenting on our stuff tend to be people from the forum, but that is cool too, because we all end up feeling supported in our values, that sense of belonging, but we are also creating social proof in this way.

Like others mentioned here, I too have examples from relatives or friends who told me in real life that they like and read stuff I am sharing, but I would not know it from their lack of any reaction on FB. So, one never knows.

PS: Al, would you like us to merge the two threads you started, since they are on the same topic? This way all the answers are on the same place, and it is less confusing for you (and us as well :D )
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I have had similar experiences. It's nice to feel supported by other forum members liking and commenting on the facebook posts. I feel it gives them more weight and people are more likely to have a closer look at the content.
I too have had more than one person come to me in person and say that they like my posts and always get a good read from what I share so keep flapping those butterfly wings AL Today, I believe it all makes a difference.
 
I agree with T.C. and Alana regarding facebook - I still struggle with it, finding my voice so to say, but sometimes I just need to say something because I can't take the BS anymore, and it's a great way to do that. Other times, I just share something someone else posted (mostly from forum people) because I think they made a great point. The other forum people on facebook are a great inspiration and help keeping me sane, and what they do is something I admire and aspire to. I want to be such an example as well - and the best way to achieve this is by posting on a regular basis IMO.

Oftentimes, I don't get any reactions, but I also got both very negative and positive reactions in the past. I got messages out of the blue from people I barely know, telling me how they enjoy my posts. People told me similar things face to face. A friend of mine who never comments called me when Russia entered the conflict in Syria to ask my opinion about it. An acquaintance of mine called me because he disagreed with stuff and wanted to talk about it - it was a good conversation!

So you never know. I have the feeling that there must be at least a dozen people or so (not forum people) who look very closely at what I say on fb. If true, that's something!

Or look at it this way: we don't do it to get likes, to get fame, or to provoke feedback. We do it because it's the right thing to do. It's the warrior's way: doing it even if we often think it's a waste, and despite our fears.

BTW, I don't really like that "waking up" concept. I mean what does it mean, really? If someone says this or that, has he/she "woken up"? It 's not that simple IMO. There so many different people out there with so many backgrounds. If someone starts thinking even a little bit about something we share, great! Every little bit of truth we can convey matters. "Waking up" can take a long time, and it can be totally different for everyone. I think we shouldn't make assumptions, but just do what is right. The rest is up to the universe - OSIT.
 
Alana said:
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PS: Al, would you like us to merge the two threads you started, since they are on the same topic? This way all the answers are on the same place, and it is less confusing for you (and us as well :D )
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Yes, by all means, please do...
Thanks
 
Re: I'm about to give up trying to wake anyone up

Thanks for starting this topic Al. Yep, some people suffer from cognitive dissonance, some from outright denial, and some could care less. Just consider this whole topic as an important acquisition of knowledge of the truth of our reality.
fwiw
 
Posting with anticipation?
No, I don't think so. I post on faceb00k thinking if it helps anyone, okay. If nobody cares? So be it. What wears me down is the closed mindedness of most people around me. The shells of humanity that surround me. Oh, there are some that catch my drift from the multitude of one-liners that flow out of my mouth. A raised eye brow, a smile usually indicates a free thinker. But many seem scared to say anything outright. It's just tough trying to Be out here in the wilderness. Wears me down. Gotta blow it out.

Thank You All for bending ears and all your kind words.
I have been helped greatly. Refreshed somewhat.
 
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I agree Redrock12. Seems the "could care less" selfishness attitude prevails around here...

We all have lessons to learn. I gotta quite worrying about others and work more on myself. And get off this White Horse. I ain't no Knight is Shining Armor...

Someone said something about preaching. I had to smile because seems a lifetime ago I would get up on the pulpit, speaking gawd stuff, many numerous times.
Memories... :lol:
 
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