Tired of your job? Ways to make money.

[Seeker 1313]

Hi Anart,
I'm resposnding to your question about why real estate is a viable option considering the current market situation. If you look at the housing market most of the homes being lost are in the low income range, not the higher ends. When you are investing their is a concept called dollar cost averaging, this means that when your investment is down your dollar buys more and when it is up, your dollar is worth more. Buying a rental home in this market is the perfect opportunity to make money. You can negotiate a better deal on a home because there are so many available and then rent it out. Make sure there is a market for your rental ie.. speak with a company that manages rentals and pay them a fee to help you find a good renter including a back ground check. Then you manage the property every month. Evereyone needs a place a to live and in a few years you will build equity in this home, if the home also appreciates in value then you have made even more money.
The housing market has been bad before like back in the 1980's when many homes sat vacant, and many were forclosed upon, and you could not get a home loan under 10%. I'm simply suggesting that you buy low now and sel higher later. I have money sitting in CD's in the back drawing 5% interest and I have to pay taxes on the money I earn. However, if i invest in a second property in July when one the CD's matures I will be making an investment and be able to deduct my expeneses, taxes, and interest. The housing market is presenting great opportunities for the future---if you doubt that just look at how many foreign investors are buying in this country right now.

 

[Rich]

Also consider what G did as quoted by Beau in this thread:
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs … 444#p42444

what G did there is in itself remarkable. very few people are that entrepreneurial, most can only think in terms of CV and pension: such is the nature of the financial programming we have ingested. Essentially G's is sound advice, adapting to your environment and seeing what needs are (or what needs can be created) and offering the product/service Whatever it is. So many people fall into the trap of letting their emotions control their investments instead of seeing what is needed. eg wanting to open that science fiction book shop by the sea or an organic veggie restaurant in Texas when you could make a fortune cleaning toilets.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Just curious, what was the housing market situation like before the stock market crashed in 1929, before the great depression? Were there signs, indications that this will happen, if so what were they, and do they correlate to anything happening now? Because there is this quote here by the famous economist Irving Fisher a few days before the collapse, "Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."

Then another economist, Richard M Salsman, commented, "Anyone who bought stocks in mid-1929 and held on to them saw most of his adult life pass by before getting back to even." (emphasis, mine)

This is why I think it is wise to buy stocks, and not hang on to them - use the profits in ways that are not going to disappear if market collapses, don't wait indefinitely for "just a little more profit". Those who bought stocks before the collapse but used them up tangibly before the collapse were probably much better off.

I have a question though for someone that knows how this works. Does a market collapse by way of chain reaction? Like a bunch of people are spooked and they sell their shares, which causes share prices to fall, which causes more people to start selling theirs as well before prices fall too low, and the more people sell the lower the prices of the shares become, causing more and more to sell? Cuz that seems a little too easy, like a set of dominoes just waiting for someone to drop enough of them to cause an avalanche. I'm sure there is more to it though. Maybe the most dangerous time is when the market is very very high? Cuz then people may think that it cannot really go higher and start to sell, and boom avalanche. Maybe that's why the "permanently high plateau" was a bad thing? Just a thought.


Edit: Rich -- speaking of toilets, I forgot, I also know some plumbers pretty well-off as well. In fact, they all make way more than I do, and I'm a computer programmer. So if you don't mind the mess/smell, and physical work, that's definitely a thing to consider.

 

[Kesdjan]

Some investments my ecomomics teacher has made:

-Stock in retirement/ nursing home companies, e.g. Granny Nannies- this seems like a relatively sound investment to me as our life expectancy continues to rise, so does our number of elderly people

-Large-denominations of money,the 500 and 10,000 dollar bills, both of which are worth more than face value and continue to increase in value.

As someone who has no clue about stock market investing I have some questions- what do broker do you use (Ameritrade, E-trade, etc.). What are the differences between different stock exchanges (NY stock exchange, NASDAQ, etc.). Does anybody traded on the foreign exchange market?

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Some investments my ecomomics teacher has made:

-Stock in retirement/ nursing home companies, e.g. Granny Nannies- this seems like a relatively sound investment to me as our life expectancy continues to rise, so does our number of elderly people

Ooh that reminds me of a big one, the baby boomers are retiring very soon! This is supposed to bring a huge influx of senior (65+) population, very suddenly. And it's probably starting already, so that may be a pretty big deal if you invest in the right things whose stocks will grow from more senior citizens etc. There is potential to literally "strike gold" with this one, or so it seems to me.

Also, some are predicting bad things for the economy as a result. Since this is basically imminent, I just had a thought. If they want to bring down the economy and need a good/easy excuse, they might use the baby boomers - just bring it down about that time and blame the baby boomers. But even if they did that, if we invest and profit from it before it goes down, and then take the profits and do something with them, that seems like it could really be a good idea, unless someone knows a reason why it's not. Just google baby boomers retiring or etc, you get tons of sites with all sorts of data and suggestions.

 

[Beau]

I don't think Gurdjieff would ever consider cutting up some birds as a pleasurable activity. He did what was necessary, and while I don't think cutting up and selling birds is the best idea in today's world, I do think that within reason, we can get our hands a little "dirty" and put on a convincing "STS" act to make the money, and use that money to undermine the very system you got it from - by freeing the people under its control. But you need resources, you NEED energy to accomplish this, just like a parent has to sometimes do pretty ugly jobs for a while if that's what it takes to feed his/her children, osit.

Yes, this is known as "playing a role". One does not have to be sincere about anything they are doing in order to accomplish their aim. Gurdjieff's aim was to make enough money to do what he wanted to do - start a school. I'm with you Scio, no one likes to sell themselves or talk themselves up in an egotistic way, but if it will help you reach your aim, then it shouldn't be discarded because it doesn't feel right.

It's a very good lesson for people who think they are too spiritual or above "acting a role" in order to accomplish one's aim.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

It's a very good lesson for people who think they are too spiritual or above "acting a role" in order to accomplish one's aim.

Well if it helps, the C's did say that there are 4th density STO in the guise of 3rd density STS humans walking around, showing up at MUFON meetings and such. Imagine the discomfort of a high level STO being going not just to a lower 3rd density level (try being a wolf for a day!), but living an STS lifestyle, totally the opposite of all that they are. They do this to help us, they inject themselves into the Matrix in order to help those trapped in the Matrix (kinda like Neo and his gang did in the movie). To do that they have to put on a very a huge act, which makes our act so much less in comparison if we can overcome our own discomfort and aversion to it (which again, would be relatively nonexistant compared to what 4th density STO would have to go through and overcome, osit). RA channeling said that 4th density STO have trouble with even things like eating a small pill, because it implies consuming/eating something.

Also, Jesus said "Be in this world but not of it" (he's also known in the Bible to recommend investing and multiplying money), which I think refers to what Gurdjieff was doing. Had he not done this, he would not be able to afford his school, we may never know about Gurdjieff or his teachings, and the immense benefits that come from them - all because he could not overcome his own discomfort to do some STS and selfish acts. But they are not really selfish considering what the profits are used for.

I know I keep bringing up the C's, who are of course just inspiration and food for thought/research, but they do have a point. They even said that Laura doing her channeling would be STS had she not used the knowledge she gained for the benefit of others. So utilization and results is what counts. Also, again the C's mentioned (I think) that the stars and the sun are reflection of STO forces. But consider how much energy is in those things. But you can't give energy if you don't have energy, but just having that energy is not STS, unless you have it for its own sake, just to have it.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Here's another possible trend,

hXXp://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32239/135/

Similar to "Minority Report".

Also what someone in the comments of the above link posted, very impressive tech (video right on splash page):

hXXp://www.perceptivepixel.com/

 

[Beau]

Also, Jesus said "Be in this world but not of it" (he's also known in the Bible to recommend investing and multiplying money), which I think refers to what Gurdjieff was doing.

This reminds of a quote by Huxley which is used in Unholy Hungers in relation to regaining your sense of self:

The world is an illusion, but it is an illusion which we must take seriously, because it is real as far as it goes, and in those aspects of the reality which we are capable of apprehending. Our business is to wake up. . . . We must not live thoughtlessly, taking our illusion for the complete reality. . . . We must be continually on our watch for ways in which we may enlarge our consciousness. We must not live outside the world which is given us, but we must somehow learn to transform and transfigure it. . . . One must find a way of being in this world while not being of it. A way of living in time without being completely swallowed up in time.

Not the same context but it occurred to me that maybe Huxley was quoting Jesus

 

[agni]

There is no white or black magic, it's how you use it :)

 

[Peto]

This is why I think it is wise to buy stocks, and not hang on to them - use the profits in ways that are not going to disappear if market collapses, don't wait indefinitely for "just a little more profit". Those who bought stocks before the collapse but used them up tangibly before the collapse were probably much better off.

I have a question though for someone that knows how this works. Does a market collapse by way of chain reaction? Like a bunch of people are spooked and they sell their shares, which causes share prices to fall, which causes more people to start selling theirs as well before prices fall too low, and the more people sell the lower the prices of the shares become, causing more and more to sell? Cuz that seems a little too easy, like a set of dominoes just waiting for someone to drop enough of them to cause an avalanche. I'm sure there is more to it though. Maybe the most dangerous time is when the market is very very high? Cuz then people may think that it cannot really go higher and start to sell, and boom avalanche. Maybe that's why the "permanently high plateau" was a bad thing? Just a thought.

Hi SAO. There is a cycle in everything including definitely the financial markets. So yes, it is wise to buy and sell stocks when the time is right, not to hang onto them forever. I especially like your post about using investment profit to do what you want to do.

For your question, an easy way to understand how the market moves (any financial market) is to view it as a spring with a weight attached to one end and the other end fixed. When you give the weight a push, it will moves under the momentum of the push up to a certain extent when the spring begins to pull it back. It's the same in the market. There are basically two forces: momentum and regression. When the market goes up, greed causes people to buy more, causing the price to go even higher. But at a certain price, enough people will get uncomfortable and want to take profit, causing the price to regress back. In the other direction, when the market goes down, fear causes people to sell more, causing the price to go even lower. But at a certain price, enough people will jump in to look for a bargain, causing the price to regress back.

So a market is vulnerable to a big fall when it is extremely stretched to the upside and the upside momentum has been spent (such as now). A collapse will happen if there is a trigger (such as war with Iran).

As someone who has no clue about stock market investing I have some questions- what do broker do you use (Ameritrade, E-trade, etc.). What are the differences between different stock exchanges (NY stock exchange, NASDAQ, etc.). Does anybody traded on the foreign exchange market?

If you plan to take on trading, I recommend a direct access broker like Interactive Brokers. You will get a better price from them. Of course, do some serious research first before jumping in or you will get hurt real bad.

The various US stock exchanges differ in the types of companies they list. NYSE has big and more traditional companies. NASDAQ is mainly about growth companies (tech, oil, etc.) AMEX lists smaller companies. The smallest ones go to OTCBB (over-the counter exchange).

 

[Azur]

I don't think Gurdjieff would ever consider cutting up some birds as a pleasurable activity. He did what was necessary, and while I don't think cutting up and selling birds is the best idea in today's world, I do think that within reason, we can get our hands a little "dirty" and put on a convincing "STS" act to make the money, and use that money to undermine the very system you got it from - by freeing the people under its control. But you need resources, you NEED energy to accomplish this, just like a parent has to sometimes do pretty ugly jobs for a while if that's what it takes to feed his/her children, osit.

Yes, this is known as "playing a role". One does not have to be sincere about anything they are doing in order to accomplish their aim. Gurdjieff's aim was to make enough money to do what he wanted to do - start a school. I'm with you Scio, no one likes to sell themselves or talk themselves up in an egotistic way, but if it will help you reach your aim, then it shouldn't be discarded because it doesn't feel right.

It's a very good lesson for people who think they are too spiritual or above "acting a role" in order to accomplish one's aim.

This speaks directly to another thing Gurdjieff shared: "Sincerity is a weakness".

By sincerity being a weakness, he wasn't saying that being insincere is a welcomed quality to be groomed, but the necessity of recognizing that as much as you want or feel that you should live your inner world on the outside (i.e. sincerely expressing everything that you are, thoughts, ideas, personally held precepts, etc), it may and verily WILL be an impediment because of the way things are here.

The thing to note here, is not that carrying out subterfuge is acceptable, but in your understanding of its necessity AND more importantly, it's impact, should the situation require it. Necessity should NOT be confused with a program driven rationalization.


This VERY process of understanding this grey area is what is shunned by New Agers, and (the shunning) exploited by New Age pseudo-masters.

It should also be noted that those who want to be STO have not understood or delved deep enough into the grey zone to understand it's lessons.

 

[Miss Isness]

Well it seems to me that there is a very fine line between what you all are calling playing a role, and the Machivellian the end justifies the means, if there is a line at all. Not having read much Gurdjieff, I certainly don't consider myself an expert, and yet it occurs to me that Gurdjieff was not beyond making mistakes. How can you know for sure if the episode with the birds actually contributed to his success or to failure? The problem I have with what he did is that he defrauded innocent people, just like our government defrauds us.

I thought the whole point of being here was to gain access to thought centers that could work through us to beat the system without having to stoop to the same level as conscienceless psychopaths at the top of it. My experience tells me that if I am able to keep things in perspective, meaning that I remember that both 4D STS and 4D STO can work through us, so we actually do have a choice as to whether we want to be governed by spiritual laws or physical ones, then I can open myself up to an awareness that creates alternatives which allow me to grow without hurting anyone else.

When I think about Kennedy, I also get the same impression. The problem with playing the game to beat the system is that it compromises one's integrity and makes one vulnerable to attack osit. I think the expression 'it's not arriving at your destination, but how you get there that's important ' applies here. A building with a faulty foundation is destined to fall irregardless of how good the rest of the structure is.

One of the things I learned in Hawaii is that the people who are in the biggest hurry often arrive last. I think it's a good idea to consider ways of beating the system in terms of avoiding what amounts to slave labor, but I think we are bound to avoid profiting from what hurts others if we are truly aspiring towards STO.

 

[Craig]

How can you know for sure if the episode with the birds actually contributed to his success or to failure? The problem I have with what he did is that he defrauded innocent people, just like our government defrauds us. (...) I thought the whole point of being here was to gain access to thought centers that could work through us to beat the system without having to stoop to the same level as conscienceless psychopaths at the top of it.

It's the end goal that is different; a goal that would ultimately stop the defrauding of everybody, everywhere and at every time on this godforsaken planet. If he did nothing, the people would continue to be defrauded anyway with absolutely no hope of any change. That's how it seems to me.

 

[mada85]

How can you know for sure if the episode with the birds actually contributed to his success or to failure? The problem I have with what he did is that he defrauded innocent people, just like our government defrauds us. (...) I thought the whole point of being here was to gain access to thought centers that could work through us to beat the system without having to stoop to the same level as conscienceless psychopaths at the top of it.

Were the people who bought G's 'American canaries' so innocent? At the time, to people in the East, America was an almost mythical land, and I can imagine that the citizens of Samarkand who bought the birds wanted to have something their neighbours couldn't have, something from far away, to show off their wealth, something exclusive, just as today wealthy people buy, for example, obscenely expensive cars of which only twelve will be made. 'Keeping up with the Joneses,' as is said in England. So perhaps those who bought the 'American canaries' were not innocent of greed, envy, self-importance, and so on. Did their greed blind them to signs that the birds had been 'modified', signs that would have been clear with impartial observation?

Governments defraud their citizens – I'm thinking of taxes as an example. If you refuse to pay taxes, you will be treated as a criminal and prosecuted. Yet taxes are used by governments for many immoral and criminal purposes. The citizens of Samarkand always had the choice whether or not to buy the birds. We do not have a choice whether to be defrauded by the government, unless we want to waste time and energy fighting a system that will happily crush its opponents.

G was seeking knowledge that would liberate large numbers of people, while governments want our money to pay for their wars of death. So perhaps we could see the bird episode as a kind of tax for higher purposes.

Interesting that 'Gurdjieff' and 'government' both begin with G. Like two ends of the same stick, as G would have said – one end good, the other bad.