To form a group in Quebec, Canada

[Laura]

Aristar, at this point in time, without a clear path marked out, we do not advocate "forming groups" unless the individual who is doing so is a long time member of QFS and has had personal interactions with other QFS members. As you know, admission to QFS is partly based on the admission committee's evaluation of your readiness as demonstrated by your forum posts/interactions. We actually have a very active French membership as well as a translating group where the members provide service by translating material. Several of these members interact with other French members in a discussion group already. Your best bet is to work on yourself so as to be able to join an already existing network that interacts with us directly.

 

[Turgon]

You are evidencing, quite strongly, your complete lack of a firm grasp on what it is we do here and why we do it. This is almost certainly a direct result of reading and keeping your own counsel and NOT questioning yourself and your understanding. If you are attempting to teach others about this material with your current level of knowledge, then you are doing damage - and nothing more. You may even be assuring that they will never approach this material on their own and benefit from it because your introduction was so misguided and not objectively true that they will forever connect the material to you - thus you destroy whatever inherent chance they might have had on their own. You do not grasp the horror of that possibility, or the resultant responsibility, or you would not be doing what you are doing.
You are not even willing to consider the possibility that what I have said to you up to this point is the absolute truth - yet you consider yourself capable of teaching others?

Those are important words to heed. On a number of occasions in the past, I've tried to "teach" others and explain what the material is all about, but failed at it completely. As I look back from a different perspective, my own self-importance, and worst of all, arrogance and belief in my own understanding was so utterly subjective and flawed in objective reasoning, that I actually thought I was at a level where I can explain and teach others. The irony being, in my introduction post on this forum, I stated how I got over my arrogance, yet all the while, this aspect of my personality is just waiting to come through in moments where I lose myself.

I understand your desire to 'help' - however you must first help yourself to gain an objective understanding - if not , not only will you be leading yourself astray, but you'll be leading others astray.

I've noticed how just BEing in a situation, the few times I have actually accomplished this without any desire, or urge to want to "help" or "save" someone, but just being open to what's going on, what the other person is saying and doing, will usually cause an effect in another person, where, maybe just for an instant they seem aware to a degree of their situation (at least from my perspective). It's actually an amazing thing to watch, and how it involves so little effort on my part, YET, requires so much effort and discipline to BE in the situation. To watch and observe yourself, your thoughts, the other person, your environment, changes, everything involved in the process, yet have it kind of "merged" into this overall awareness, and most importantly, acting upon this awareness in the "appropriate" manner, fully realizing consideration for others. It's so different from urging and pushing to help someone, try to explain this and that theory, that you may or may not truly know.

Non-anticipation is so important, that it often becomes the easiest thing to forget in any given situation.

These are just some thoughts to add fwiw.

 

[aristar8]

Hello to all
I just want to thank you all and specially Anart to have taken the time to explain with such patience who I really was and how I was reacting to the posts. I realize that I was judgemental and partly arrogant without really noticing it. At this time, I now also realize that I was very rarely the real me in all my life except maybe during the time when I was with my two children. But I also realized during the last week that now that I try (without always succes) to observe myself thinking and speaking, there is a solid pattern within me. It is like I am afraid to be myself and not be enought interesting to be heard or trusted. I know that I am a good person but now I know that sincerity oblige you to be the real you and I am beginning, just beginning to think that the real me should not be scared to emerge instead of the one who is intellectual, cerebral but untrue. I also know that I have to be courageous to continue and I know that your help will be like a treasure to me. Thank you all.

 

[anart]

Hello to all
I just want to thank you all and specially Anart to have taken the time to explain with such patience who I really was and how I was reacting to the posts. I realize that I was judgemental and partly arrogant without really noticing it. At this time, I now also realize that I was very rarely the real me in all my life except maybe during the time when I was with my two children. But I also realized during the last week that now that I try (without always succes) to observe myself thinking and speaking, there is a solid pattern within me. It is like I am afraid to be myself and not be enought interesting to be heard or trusted. I know that I am a good person but now I know that sincerity oblige you to be the real you and I am beginning, just beginning to think that the real me should not be scared to emerge instead of the one who is intellectual, cerebral but untrue. I also know that I have to be courageous to continue and I know that your help will be like a treasure to me. Thank you all.

Hi aristar, I think it's also really important for you to appreciate how much strength and will it takes to read things about yourself that you might not want to read or you might not agree with - and then - not over-react - but listen, consider and apply it. This is something the vast majority of humanity cannot do. It is Work and the simple fact that you were able to consider what was said, without striking out or running way, is quite something indeed. Considering what was said does not mean 'believing it' or 'obeying it mindlessly' - it means to take it seriously enough, to contemplate it deeply enough, to allow it to benefit you IF it applies. :)

 

[Laura]

Aristar, just be patient. You need to do some work, and ultimately, you will need to come and spend some time with us here. The time will come when you will be able to lead a group in your area - and in the not-too-distant future - depend on it!

 

[aristar8]

Hi aristar, I think it's also really important for you to appreciate how much strength and will it takes to read things about yourself that you might not want to read or you might not agree with - and then - not over-react - but listen, consider and apply it. This is something the vast majority of humanity cannot do. It is Work and the simple fact that you were able to consider what was said, without striking out or running way, is quite something indeed. Considering what was said does not mean 'believing it' or 'obeying it mindlessly' - it means to take it seriously enough, to contemplate it deeply enough, to allow it to benefit you IF it applies.

Hello to all
I am still working very hard and steady with myself. I do not know if Anart knew how much truth there was in the precedent quote but I can certify that everything is right where I am concerned. I will not run away from the work but I can sincerely say that sometimes I have considered it. It is so hard when you have a skizophrenic son who reminds you every second that you are far away from who you really are. But even in his troubled state of mind, he told me a thing that surprised me because I stood up for myself at a time that I would not have been able to do before. He told me: You know Mom, to fall down is human but to get up and go on is divine. That helped me at least for that day. I still have a hard time dealing with him but I will go on.


Moderator's note: The text of Anart has been put in quotation for clarity. You can go here if you want more info to how to insert quotes

 

[FireShadow]

First, Aristar8, I want to thank you for posting this thread. I, too, really "want to help people". I get impatient as well. Reading this thread, I recognized much in myself. I have also maintained in my mind that "they just don't understand me" - Not nearly as much now as when I first arrived at this forum, though. I have had a few shocks to help me get past it. I have come to be very grateful for those shocks. (okay, maybe not in the moment, but later, when I can see the truth of the words offered to me).

It takes much courage to stick with it and hear the things we don't want to hear. Those shocks can be quite painful at times. Although I have recently discovered the pain is directly proportional to the amount of attachment I maintain to my "version of reality".

I agree totally with Anart here:

Hi aristar, I think it's also really important for you to appreciate how much strength and will it takes to read things about yourself that you might not want to read or you might not agree with - and then - not over-react - but listen, consider and apply it. This is something the vast majority of humanity cannot do. It is Work and the simple fact that you were able to consider what was said, without striking out or running way, is quite something indeed. Considering what was said does not mean 'believing it' or 'obeying it mindlessly' - it means to take it seriously enough, to contemplate it deeply enough, to allow it to benefit you IF it applies. :)

 

[Joe]

Aristar8, are you aware of the site

http://www.futurquantique.org/

?

 

[aristar8]

Hello to all
You are right FireShadow, the pain is directly proportional to the amount of attachment we maintain to our "version of reality". The reality and the real me are very different from what I used to think I was. And thank you Perceval for the site you mentionned, I will read it and it is also in french.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Hello to all
I was wondering if, based on the work of The C's and the Wave, we could reunite a group here in Quebec, Canada where we could maybe try to do the awsome work you have been doing. You know, not much people know about the other dimensions, densities and also what is going to happen in a near future. I already know a lot of people with the capacity of understanding these concepts, and who are willing to learn. These persons are ps ychologists, psychiatrics, doctors, osteopaths, lawyers and even the president of Hydro Quebec and his wife. I am willing to be responsable for that but it would be under your conditions.
I think it is urgent that people know the reality of what is going on in the world in general. The speaken language would be french.
Thank you.

Just got aware of that post.

I live in the Québec province. In the Beauce.

I have no vehicle for now but meeting up with people who are open to the material presented here would be an honor for me.

I also think that it could be a very positive experience.

I'll wait for your comeback on this.

Peace.

 

[anart]

Hello to all
I was wondering if, based on the work of The C's and the Wave, we could reunite a group here in Quebec, Canada where we could maybe try to do the awsome work you have been doing. You know, not much people know about the other dimensions, densities and also what is going to happen in a near future. I already know a lot of people with the capacity of understanding these concepts, and who are willing to learn. These persons are ps ychologists, psychiatrics, doctors, osteopaths, lawyers and even the president of Hydro Quebec and his wife. I am willing to be responsable for that but it would be under your conditions.
I think it is urgent that people know the reality of what is going on in the world in general. The speaken language would be french.
Thank you.

Just got aware of that post.

I live in the Québec province. In the Beauce.

I have no vehicle for now but meeting up with people who are open to the material presented here would be an honor for me.

I also think that it could be a very positive experience.

I'll wait for your comeback on this.

Peace.

Hi JayMark, did you read this entire thread? It's from three years ago and the suggested 'meet up' was strongly discouraged. Please also read this thread so you can get some background on why.

 

[Kaigen]

Looks like artistar8 did not understand the whole thing, what Anart was pointing to her. Did not participating in the forum for two years and then came with question which she think, only Laura can answer. She remained judgmental in her doing. Did not come to the forum since then. Very good lesson and reminder!

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Hello to all
I was wondering if, based on the work of The C's and the Wave, we could reunite a group here in Quebec, Canada where we could maybe try to do the awsome work you have been doing. You know, not much people know about the other dimensions, densities and also what is going to happen in a near future. I already know a lot of people with the capacity of understanding these concepts, and who are willing to learn. These persons are ps ychologists, psychiatrics, doctors, osteopaths, lawyers and even the president of Hydro Quebec and his wife. I am willing to be responsable for that but it would be under your conditions.
I think it is urgent that people know the reality of what is going on in the world in general. The speaken language would be french.
Thank you.

Just got aware of that post.

I live in the Québec province. In the Beauce.

I have no vehicle for now but meeting up with people who are open to the material presented here would be an honor for me.

I also think that it could be a very positive experience.

I'll wait for your comeback on this.

Peace.

Hi JayMark, did you read this entire thread? It's from three years ago and the suggested 'meet up' was strongly discouraged. Please also read this thread so you can get some background on why.

Allright.

I wasen't thinking necessarily about forming a group but rather going for a coffee and discuss with a single person. But anyways, won't be discussed here as you guys wish.

Sorry, I just have a very hard time finding people to discuss with (appart from the internet). I guess I'll have to let nature do it's thing and that it'll happen in due time if necessary for the purpose of my evolution.

Sorry again.

Peace.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Oh and btw, I have read the other thread about predators. For that very reason, I'll not discuss about meet-ups (single or group) within this forum anymore. I do not fear for my security but I do care for others.

Better be safe than sorry!

Peace guys.

End.