Tree Of Life?

[Roland J. Prather]

There's a problem with that RolandJP - its not right. The only shell that's limited to two electrons is the first one (the K shell). For instance, the second shell (the L shell) can hold up to eight electons, and the farther out the orbits go the number of electrons each shell can hold increases.

Wow this is very interesting indeed! I can see this I think. The further out from the core of the Atom in increase of electrons separated by orbital fields. There I go again with thinking I know something actually I just repeated what you said. lol

I'm very interested in the motivation behind your work on this. Its not unusual for people to have flashes of inspiration that lead to a new scientific theory but normlly they're folk who work in the area. Are you a physicist? Or are you hoping that your flash of inspiration will just come to you with no prior work in the field? Does it work like that if you're fourth way practitioner?

Its not unusual for people to have flashes of inspiration that lead to a new scientific theory but normally they're folk who work in the area.

Well I like Einstein and Nicola Tesla and others and how their minds work. I'm always in admiration of geniuses but not necessarily restricted to geniuses I like intelligent people so I guess I try to relate to them by looking up to people who no more than me. Its take humbling though in many ways.

Are you a physicist?

Oh No. I just get sparks of interest in things I know I don't understand and then I think I start to see and experience them in the environment. Sometimes when I'm reading something answers to other questions will come to me while I'm reading. Like when I was reading the Dwellings Of The Philosophers. Its a safe thing my illusions are unfolding on FB instead of actually life otherwise I would not have made it this far although they do seep into my actual life slightly but I'm going off topic. Or more to the point and being precise about it; that I'm able to see my lies and illusion unfold on FB and I make corrections and reconcile my illusions by deleting them. So in a sense I can view them from more objective stand point and then delete them off of FB and keep the right information or the truth. I make changes in my life in the process. I'ts eactly what B. said:

B. G.
"Social networks like FB are a good way to spread awareness beyond just using it as a way to inflate the self or just talk about oneself or wasting time. Any Social Network can be used to serve others (STO) or serving self (STS). Many Narcissists on here pre-occupied with themselves but also Truth Seekers and people who help make this world a better place by speaking out and spreading Knowledge (you know who you are!). FB can be used as an escape and avoidance or used to go beyond the self and the distractions and superficiality. It's simply a tool and it all depends on the user how it is being used. Change and a shift in consciousness starts with awareness, gaining knowledge/understanding and then applying the knowledge we gain. It's not just about posting stuff, but acting on it, walking the talk so it becomes a reflection of one's life."

But I need to work on socializing more. I'm not a very talkative person in conversations.

Or are you hoping that your flash of inspiration will just come to you with no prior work in the field?

I don't sincerely hope or have an intention or a goal. I'll just see what happens. Kinda of like having scattered ingredients and then I think what I can do with it or if they will work together.
That question make me think that I can't just jump into something and believe that they will come together without work.

Does it work like that if you're fourth way practitioner?

I don't consider myself a 4 way practitioner. I started out in curiosity, and I'm working on becoming something of this sort a practitioner.


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[Roland J. Prather]

After 3000 plus posts, I'm still learning this, so I'd be interested in your overall aim.

I guess it's about time I have one. It seems that many of my lies and illusions has been a subjective cycling of self referencing. Waste of mental energies to say the least.

 

[Roland J. Prather]

My Aim is to gather information/knowledge. To focus more on beginning esoteric development one step at a time.

 

[Alana]

My Aim is to gather information/knowledge. To focus more on beginning esoteric development one step at a time.

And esoteric development means knowing ourselves. We are very fortunate to live in a time that modern cognitive/personality/psychological research offers us more tools to work in understanding ourselves, how our minds operate, how we react instead of acting, how our minds convince us how great and knowledgeable we are when the truth can't be further away. It's spine chilling realization, but how can we change something unless we know where the problem lies?

Roland, have you started reading these links I posted here? If you can find the books and read them too, you will come to a greater understanding of your - and human in general - behavior. In fact reading all the posts under the Psychology & Cognitive Science section.

 

[Roland J. Prather]

I started reading them

 

[Alana]

I started reading them

Thank you for your reply, I am very glad to hear. It's very interesting reading, you'll see :)

 

[Roland J. Prather]

Yes it is interesting! :) I find myself on the edge of a beach looking out to the vastness of an Ocean before I was starring down contemplating why my toes wiggle.

 

[Buddy]

Speaking of Aim and books, you might find these excerpts on Aim from "In Search of the Miraculous" interesting, just to reinforce the importance of Aim, if nothing else.

Apologies if you've already seen this. Maybe someone else will find them useful.

G. often returned afterwards to this example of "prison" and "escape from prison" in his talks. Sometimes he began with it, and then his favorite statement was that, if a man in prison was at any time to have a chance of escape, then he must first of all realize that he is in prison. So long as he fails to realize this, so long as he thinks he is free, he has no chance whatever. No one can help or liberate him by force, against his will, in opposition to his wishes. If liberation is possible, it is possible only as a result of great labor and great efforts, and, above all, of conscious efforts, towards a definite aim.
ISOTM p. 37

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If a man gives way to all his desires, or panders to them, there will be no inner struggle in him, no 'friction,' no fire. But if, for the sake of attaining a definite aim, he struggles with desires that hinder him, he will then create a fire which will gradually transform his inner world into a single whole.
ISOTM p. 50

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ONE of the next lectures began with a question asked by one of those present: What
was the aim of his teaching?
"I certainly have an aim of my own,"' said G. "But you must permit me to keep silent
about it. At the present moment my aim cannot have any meaning for you, because it
is important that you should define your own aim. The teaching by itself cannot
pursue any definite aim. It can only show the best way for men to attain whatever
aims they may have. The question of aim is a very important question. Until a man
has defined his own aim for himself he will not be able even to begin 'to do' anything.
How is it possible 'to do' anything without having an aim? Before anything else
'doing' presupposes an aim."

"But the question of the aim of existence is one of the most difficult of
philosophical questions," said one of those present. "You want us to begin by solving
this question. But perhaps we have come here because we are seeking an answer to
this question. You expect us to have known it beforehand. If a man knows this, he
really knows everything."
"You misunderstood me," said G. "I was not speaking of the philosophical
significance of the aim of existence. Man does not know it and he cannot know it so
long as he remains what he is, first of all, because there is not one but many aims of
existence. On the contrary, attempts to answer this question using ordinary methods
are utterly hopeless and useless. I was asking about an entirely different thing. I was
asking about your personal aim, about what you want to attain, and not about the
reason for your existence. Everyone must have his own aim: one man wants riches,
another health, a third wants the kingdom of heaven, the fourth wants to be a general,
and so on. It is about aims of this sort that I am asking. If you tell me what your aim
is, I shall be able to tell you whether we are going along the same road or not.
ISOTM p. 106

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"Think of how you formulated your own aim to yourselves before you came here."
"I formulated my own aim quite clearly several years ago," I said. "I said to myself
then that I want to know the future. Through a theoretical study of the question I came
to the conclusion that the future can be known...

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"Very well," said G., "to know the future is the first aim. Who else can formulate his aim?"
"I should like to be convinced that I shall go on existing after the death of the physical body, or, if this depends upon me, I should like to work in order to exist after death," said one of the company.
"I don't care whether I know the future or not, or whether I am certain or not certain of life after death," said another, "if I remain what I am now. What I feel most strongly is that I am not master of myself, and if I were to formulate my aim, I should say that I want to be master of myself."
"I should like to understand the teaching of Christ, and to be a Christian in the true sense of the term," said the next.
"I should like to be able to help people," said another.
"I should like to know how to stop wars," said another.
"Well, that's enough,' said G., "we have now sufficient material to go on with. The best formulation of those that have been put forward is the wish to be one's own master. Without this nothing else is possible and without this nothing else will have any value. But let us begin with the first question, or the first aim.
Continued in ISOTM on p. 107

 

[Voyageur]

[quote author=Buddy]
Speaking of Aim and books, you might find these excerpts on Aim from "In Search of the Miraculous" interesting, just to reinforce the importance of Aim, if nothing else.

Apologies if you've already seen this. Maybe someone else will find them useful.

If a man gives way to all his desires, or panders to them, there will be no inner struggle in him, no 'friction,' no fire. But if, for the sake of attaining a definite aim, he struggles with desires that hinder him, he will then create a fire which will gradually transform his inner world into a single whole.
ISOTM p. 50

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Yes, one of many useful quotes to keep of mind.

 

[combsbt]

That was my mistake: not Atoms but two electrons can occupy two shells of an Atom. But its in the video in the link I provided pt3 at 8:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGPX3v4du_c&feature=related

There's a problem with that RolandJP - its not right. The only shell that's limited to two electrons is the first one (the K shell). For instance, the second shell (the L shell) can hold up to eight electons, and the farther out the orbits go the number of electrons each shell can hold increases.

For clarification here it seems that RolandJP's confusion came from the difference between orbitals and shells. No more than two electrons can occupy a single orbital, and they must have opposite spins to do so. Shells are composed of orbitals.

It goes like this:

(Shell) - Principal Quantum Number (n): n = 1, 2, 3, …, ∞
(Subshell) - Angular Momentum (Secondary, Azimunthal) Quantum Number (l): l = 0, ..., n-1
(Orbital) - Magnetic Quantum Number (ml): ml = -l, ..., 0, ..., +l
(Spin Orientation) - Spin Quantum Number (ms): ms = +½ or -½

No two electrons in an atom may have all four quantum numbers the same.

I watched the portion of the video you quoted getting the information from and, again, the info in the video is wrong. It states that "the only components making up the dynamical state in the atom, is the shell it occupies, and another property that electrons have, called spin." As you can see from above, they left out two of the four quantum numbers. More "inadequate or incorrect descriptions of quantum phenomena" goes to show you that youtube videos will not suffice to learn this subject.

 

[Roland J. Prather]

Hey thanks guys!
I came up with this:

What is the Big Picture of why Government corporations like Monsanto, FDA, Policies on failed Health Care, the destruction of Agriculture, Genetically modified foods GMO’s crops, pesticides, the propaganda of being vegetarian, Vaccines, Fluoride in our food and water, chemical toxins in our clothes and household products that continues to destroy people’s health along with our environment such as our atmosphere, plants, animals, our oceans with purposefully massive oil spills and poisons like corexit along with wars, genocides, fear, violence promoted in media, billions of dollars going into mass mind control, the continue deliberate failed war on drugs, our failed education system dumbing down our kids , celebrity gossip, technology over spirituality, information suppression, ect. ect. ect….?
My thoughts on the dire circumstances of our plant is that the PTB (psychopaths in power) know that the cosmic energies or elements in our part of the Universe is increasing every day and are planet along with Her life forms or life on the planet are transmitters for the purpose of receiving finer and finer elements or energies from the Cosmos to point of Grand Evolution of not only our planet but also everything else on Mother Earth. Thus the combination of the cosmic elements and the reception of those prepared would create a wave of transformation.
So therefore the PTB’s greatest conspiracy (plan, plot) is to clog up as much of the life on this planet (transmitters) along with Earth(transmitter station) with poisons, genetic alteration of food crops, ect, fear, anger, confusion, destruction, wars with and in people, giving off a low frequency vibration of primordial elements and as a result not able to make the leap of evolution. The PTB are also in the process of speeding up an ice age to stunt the growth of organic life from receiving these necessary finer Cosmic Energies or finer Cosmic Elements which would raise up the frequency of This Planet.

 

[Bobo08]

Hi Roland JP,

I'm wondering if you understood what was said to you on the first page of this thread?

 

[anart]

Hey thanks guys!
I came up with this:

Roland, is a posting ban the only thing that will stop you from using this forum as your personal journal for wise-acring? You seem to not have understood one word that has been said to you, which is very disappointing. Since you appear to not be able to control yourself, we can remove your posting privileges to make it easier for you, if necessary.

 

[Buddy]

Roland, just as an experiment, why not practice shifting your attention back and forth between something in your environment and your computer screen? You may discover an ability that you can exercise to improve and it may help you to 'catch yourself' prior to becoming fully absorbed in your favored internal narrative(s).

Just an idea, FWIW.

 

[Eongar]

Ok I’ll work on being more critical of myself. Appreciate the information and help guys! I think I need to focus more on the recommended reading more and less of the sott articles maybe.

This behavior is curious, Roland. You say yes to all the recommendations and make you say you will be tambiémn more critical, but continuous Based on the ideas that go through your mind without contrasting them or check their veracity. This forum is research, and that means that if something is said or theorized about a subject, is because there is a consistency or a combination of ideas that could lead to something concrete, something that does not happen with the ideas you've expressed to far. It may seem hard what I say, but what I see. I would recommend you to spend time reading the forum, SOTT and recommended books to get an idea of the lines and patterns that are still here.