Tribal unit

[Third Roche]

As expected, to optimize the harmony and union in the forum by the creation of new ideas which can motivate even more for good the newcomers, as well as by consequence those who are long in the road, should be always within our goals. In this spirit was started this topic from the heart for sharing some unsettling perceptions which, as I have read, is common to some other forum’s members. The humble assessment in this page or other that I can do should be understood as done in good faith and meant to promote the conception of solutions and thus bringing more light to the C’s community.

When we have a forum like this with years of refinement and members owners of impressive background, how would be possible to me be original? Well I just don't expect to be, hereby in such case regard this topic as an emphasis inspired from some other threads. Yet, by experience I uphold that many times is easier to realize things unbiasedly when you come from afar. For the record, I am a novice here and a little more about me is available in the related topic initiated at Newbies Forum page, which was very freshly started.

As meant by the C’s, we must be alert all the time for averting evil's attacks. “Expect the unexpected”. Hence there is necessity of caution with everything. Nevertheless, as main illustration for this topic, we should not take as preface that newcomers are mean. Even making use of technical analyses of TCP data one could not presume some wickedness since those data don’t tell in any way either who or how many souls are typing a remote machine, or what is happening in the other side of the line. The truth is, we don’t know if an individual is most of good character or is a psychopath until we have deep interactions with him or her; and this typically occurs after days, or months, or years. As I see is very bad to judge from the beginning along with some paranoiac attitude. Such situation can easy and quickly make beginners to feel unwelcome. Thus, my modest proposal is, "study under lightness who has recently arrived and at the same time perform you, via palpable acts, good faith to these who decide to step in this space; be in essence tolerant." Keep in mind that they are fighting STS forces as you, as well as taking a risk too when they (we) decide to step in and sharing a part of their (our) lives here.

Moreover at first let me say three evident particulars; first, really it is indispensable some supervision on what is written in any site; second, with admirable ease we see here very polite, wise, and generous members; and third, it is naturally harder to apply intimacy to who just arrived. Now despite these previous comments still is necessary to consider that fortunately not many but sadly there are cases in some threads which I see misted by a negative ambiance. For instance I read a thread where I saw a member asking things like, “I did something wrong? Am I being punished by the forum?” This candid example makes me sense as the forum’s members had to watch out every word they type. Like a tension pervading every post, it seems as someone cannot make any mistake or will be banned. I suppose these kind of cases are not so usual, however the point is, whatever the juncture the site's atmosphere should not influence members carrying on a STO motive to feel intimidated by it or by its hierarchies; instead they should feel stimulated, feel that they can express themselves free of any kind of fear. This is a vital thing to work on.

A further circumstance, which I only noticed when I started as forum’s member, is the tags put on all members. Truly per my lack of attention initially I had figured out that those tags were put by chance; this was because before I used to pay attention mostly to the topics’ contents. And here is the point: How a new member can feel welcomed and at easy in the forum when he or she is from the beginning already tagged as a “Disturbance”? You know, the full tag is “a disturbance in the force”. And if you watched the film series “Star Wars” you will immediately recall that such phrase was used in that plot for labeling the evil, that is, the STS agents (the dictatorial empire) acting against the STO energy (fair and democratic rebels) in the galaxy. Therefore with a tag like that, “a disturbance in the force”, we have to understand that the new member from the start is evil until he proves otherwise. As a suggestion, would be of more kindness and positivism to use a tag with, maybe, an encouraging humor like “rookie at action,” or else something literary and even more stimulant; you say.

My thanks to who had the noble inspiration for creating this fitting board in which I could post this message that urged in my being a couple of days ago.

 

[mkrnhr]

Hi Third Roche,
I understand your concerns but with time you'll see that some things have reasons that are not apparent from the beginning. Just to mention that the disturbance in the force has always been seen as funny, and if it has to be taken seriously, the most memorable instance where the expression was used was in the Empire Strikes Back when the Emperors talks about Luke Skywalker, not yet a Jedi (the progression of the tag follows that progression from a Luke Skywalker being a disturbance in the force, to young Padawan, Jedi, etc.)
As to being banned for making mistakes, if that was the case nobody would stay in the forum beyond a couple of weeks because we all make mistakes, that's one feature of networking and exchanging information. It is natural for some new members to want to appear knowledgeable, perfect, etc. to be accepted into a tribe, it's human and until one feels comfortable to face its imperfection, that may be the tension you seem to sense. However, making mistakes is not a reason for being banned. Other destructive behaviours on the other hand are (spamming, foul language, rudeness, etc.). The forum guidelines are there to ensure that people who are sincere can network in a safe and sane environment. Those who are not sincere are not welcomed not because of who they are, but fore the sake of those who are sincere.
Hope it helps :)

 

[Renaissance]

I understand your concerns but with time you'll see that some things have reasons that are not apparent from the beginning.

I agree. I think it can take a little time to sort things out whenever entering into something new. Also, the nature of the work being done here can bring up different reactions. I think the point is to see and understand these reactions and to try and understand what others are saying. There's this recent thread that describes how our imagination goes in the opposite direction from processing reality, and it can take some work (or a lot of it!) to overcome the dependence we put on our imagination to interpret what is going on around us. Like you mention, it is good to give others the benefit of the doubt because we often do misread things. It can be a process for sure, and I think a useful step is sharing impressions like you're doing. I think another thing is continual knowledge input. As I'm sure you know, there's a good amount of material explored here and as you dig into it a bit more, the way things are done on the forum will probably make more sense. It's a part of that 'giving others the benefit of the doubt' while working through such things that will probably help get through a lot of it.

 

[Third Roche]

Greetings, good people.

mkrnhr,
Thank you for your correction on the use of the word “Force”. I can add that in that series's plot the benevolent master “Yoda” used to teach the control of the “force” to the “Jedi”. Therefore I hadn’t recalled these details properly, sorry for my mistake. In spite of this inaccuracy, the rest of what was I mentioned I perceive still as issues needing attention (including the word “disturbance”- which not sounds as a good label for a human being).

Renaissance,
Your considerations also were much appreciated. About the remark about “giving time to time”, this is one of the reasons that I took as intended when made my subscription here. Perhaps I’m misinterpreting, yet for now, as I commented before, that mentioned discomfort which I realized in some affiliates is an aspect enough to me for showing that exist something unbalanced in the ambiance.

 

[Laura]

Our goal here is not to optimize harmony or make things easy for people. As the Cs have said: the students are not expected to be architects of the school and if you can't stand the heat of the kitchen, then you miss out on the meal.

Things are as they are for reasons and we make adjustments as we see the need. There have been dozens of individuals who have made comments/complaints similar to yours in the history of this forum and the syndrome is well studied.

 

[Third Roche]

Our goal here is not to optimize harmony or make things easy for people. As the Cs have said: the students are not expected to be architects of the school and if you can't stand the heat of the kitchen, then you miss out on the meal.

Things are as they are for reasons and we make adjustments as we see the need. There have been dozens of individuals who have made comments/complaints similar to yours in the history of this forum and the syndrome is well studied.

This above quote is really elucidative; its golden door is “we make adjustments as we see the need”. It can be added that according to the evidences if a species is pressed by a hard environment it has to adapt to it and eventually evolving as species, or else it will extinguish. Then yes, there is agreement on that point; no pain, no (expressive) gain. Yet there is neither aspiration nor desire about being in any formal role related to the school such as an architect.

As previously implied this topic intends to increase the tribe union. Nonetheless it is admissible that the message communicated in this topic may be, without conscious thought, missing aspects which make it just negligible. On the other hand, if understanding it as relevant, in one metaphorical sentence the whole message conveyed here to you guys is “be careful with some possible excessive heat in kitchen or the tribe can lose key souls” (as dozens of individuals have pointed out).

Be the pure light on us all.

 

[Richs]

Our goal here is not to optimize harmony or make things easy for people. As the Cs have said: the students are not expected to be architects of the school and if you can't stand the heat of the kitchen, then you miss out on the meal.

Things are as they are for reasons and we make adjustments as we see the need. There have been dozens of individuals who have made comments/complaints similar to yours in the history of this forum and the syndrome is well studied.

Yet there is neither aspiration nor desire about being in any formal role related to the school such as an architect.

As previously implied this topic intends to increase the tribe union.

Since it was you who began this topic, it seems that you are the one who "intends to increase the tribe union". If, as you say you have no aspiration or desire about being in any formal role related to the school such as an architect, you apparently still feel the need to influence the Forum according to your personal view as to how this Forum should accommodate it's members, 'informally'.

Nonetheless it is admissible that the message communicated in this topic may be, without conscious thought, missing aspects which make it just negligible.

Why are you throwing out the assumption that we here are " without conscious thought" and are missing aspects of what you said?

On the other hand, if understanding it as relevant, in one metaphorical sentence the whole message conveyed here to you guys is “be careful with some possible excessive heat in kitchen or the tribe can lose key souls” (as dozens of individuals have pointed out).

Oh! The 'carrot and the stick' approach! How original!
You have apparently not gotten the message nor have any idea of what we do here or why. If you are willing to stick around a while you will find that the members here are all to willing to assist those who have a sincere desire to learn and grow and extend every courtesy possible while assisting newer members. But, every member has to accept and function according to the Forum Guidelines, and if you have not read them, now is a good time to do so.

 

[ggen]

Our goal here is not to optimize harmony or make things easy for people. As the Cs have said: the students are not expected to be architects of the school and if you can't stand the heat of the kitchen, then you miss out on the meal.

Things are as they are for reasons and we make adjustments as we see the need. There have been dozens of individuals who have made comments/complaints similar to yours in the history of this forum and the syndrome is well studied.

This above quote is really elucidative; its golden door is “we make adjustments as we see the need”. It can be added that according to the evidences if a species is pressed by a hard environment it has to adapt to it and eventually evolving as species, or else it will extinguish. Then yes, there is agreement on that point; no pain, no (expressive) gain. Yet there is neither aspiration nor desire about being in any formal role related to the school such as an architect.

As previously implied this topic intends to increase the tribe union. Nonetheless it is admissible that the message communicated in this topic may be, without conscious thought, missing aspects which make it just negligible. On the other hand, if understanding it as relevant, in one metaphorical sentence the whole message conveyed here to you guys is “be careful with some possible excessive heat in kitchen or the tribe can lose key souls (as dozens of individuals have pointed out).

Be the pure light on us all.

No one "has to" adapt. One chooses to have a little faith in the process here and to work hard.

 

[Chad]

As previously implied this topic intends to increase the tribe union. Nonetheless it is admissible that the message communicated in this topic may be, without conscious thought, missing aspects which make it just negligible. On the other hand, if understanding it as relevant, in one metaphorical sentence the whole message conveyed here to you guys is “be careful with some possible excessive heat in kitchen or the tribe can lose key souls” (as dozens of individuals have pointed out).

Be the pure light on us all.

I would question who these 'dozens' are and if they have succeeded in contributing in a productive and constructive way to the forum? And if not, then why are these opinions more valid? Considering how many people visit the forum and participate without requesting special status.

More than anything though, i recognise that intellectualizing of self importance/Fear of not being good enough - ie. please change the rules for me, even if everybody prior hasn't had it so easy. Long time members have obviously spent a lot of time creating a groundwork of solid information for us all which actually enticed us in the first place!

What should be noted, similar to Laura's comment about the heat - it would probably be irresponsible to permit participation to those who are not yet able to begin to face themselves and reality objectively, as it could lead to all kinds of maladies to the unprepared. No different to any process ie. a job or a role with responsibilities.

That said though, i found myself thinking things like 'excessive heat' before i got involved, once i had, i realised how lucky i was and how unfounded those beliefs were.

One point Richard S brings up is interesting: the forum guidelines, and i would extend that to the suggested reading - should one propose such changes before one thoroughly understands the material it is formed from?

I hope i have understood you correctly and that my comments help with clarifying my understandings as a participant.

 

[Third Roche]

Nonetheless it is admissible that the message communicated in this topic may be, without conscious thought, missing aspects which make it just negligible.

Richard S,
No. Your interpretation was not what was meant in the above quote. Sorry, I should be clearer. The above quote makes reference to the first contents written at the beginning of this page by myself.

Why are you throwing out the assumption that we here are "without conscious thought" and are missing aspects of what you said? .

No, as said, this is not what was meant, and as well there is no “carrot”. On the contrary: actually it was meant that my assessment (to the page's topic) may be incorrect per an unintentional flaw on my own analysis. It is a possibility. If that occurred then I made an unintentional ("without conscious thought") error of perception.

Since it was you who began this topic, it seems that you are the one who "intends to increase the tribe union". If, as you say you have no aspiration or desire about being in any formal role related to the school such as an architect, you apparently still feel the need to influence the Forum according to your personal view as to how this Forum should accommodate it's members, 'informally'.

No. Clarifying: “I believe the tribe by itself increases its bonds.” About your sentence: “influencing the forum informally”; Verily everyone has a bias, including me and you. However though my feelings about the theme here had been fully exposed at the beggining of this page, still it is up to each individual to agree or not with them; they either may be simply ignored, or estimated by anyone.

itellsya,
your reply was interesting but my assesment, or viewpoint if you prefer, does not imply that i am asking to change the rules for me. In fact this was not the case at all. As a whole reply on your observations, for now the best I could say is what I already said earlier, which mirrors what others have recommended to me here: “giving time to time to understand our ways”.

Furthermore what I commented in this page was meant to be positive, and thought as significant. But it’s natural that each participant sees those comments under his own interpretation. Hence as universal reply to who has the patience for reading all this: "Sorry for my lack of eloquence, and keep in mind that all written by me here was done under good faith meant as a service to others. All the best to all the community."

 

[Richs]

Many other people have gotten of to a pretty rocky start here at the Forum Third Roche, but it does not mean they were sent away or treated unjustly by the members even though they were 'called out' on one issue or another. I suggest you spend some time here learning how and why we do things and reading from the suggested reading list as much as possible.

In time you may come to see our operation of the Forum in a different light. You may also come to see and understand yourself in a way that right now might seem incredible and impossible. This takes considerable effort and persistence, is not at all easy, but is do-able for most people and well worth all the effort.

 

[SummerLite]

Hi! The title of this thread seems the most appropriate for what I'd like to share even though it doesn't have much to do with what Third Roche is speaking of. I will make a few comments around what TR says first though.

I am very new here also, obviously. I've spent a lot of time reading through topics in my search for particular information here. I'm following my personal flow as to what needs to be applied first and organic growth for me. Sometimes I see people being banned and I don't understand really. But it makes me think, I am new here and I don't have the bigger picture yet. I've also read conversations here where its been discussed to take it more easy on the newbies. And maybe that consideration is being shown to me. I come here with some baggage left over from previous perspectives. Its one of the things I'm working through. With some trepidation I will say this is new age related although I wasn't aware this is what I was involved in. There was some "cloaking" going on I believe, to the true nature of things with that. So I consider these "new age" perspectives may show up here in my posts and ask for some patience. However I am most anxious to learn how my thinking has gone along erroneous lines and having that pointed out is welcome. All topics exposing new age thought and practice are helpful to me now and that has been "one" area of study for me here. Its been very valuable, enlightening . However I know this is not the main focus here. Its old news, old stuff. I recently read Soul Hackers twice just for the information on this and also have devoured the New Age COINTELPRO topics. I think there is value in sharing this about myself with you all.

I have always been a very introspective, self reflective person. Ready to learn and change for progress on my path. The views here are very harmonious with me and now I will speak about the tribal unit.

Last night I awoke at 3:00 am. My good nights sleep has been interrupted by waking like this for maybe a week and a half. Mental chatter takes over. Last night I changed the focus of my thoughts to connecting to the tribal unit here. This will be hard to explain as I don't have the direct quote here that the C's have said about this. Feeling into a "higher" frequency on a planetary level, as in the wave being here. Aligning to this and the group mind here as in what the people at Stonehenge used to do. Aligning chakras, enabling information and knowledge to be passed to the members in this way. Well, I seem to have had some progress with this. Its a new concept for me. At any rate, my mind moved out of the chatter and a "lower" state and I was able to go back to sleep for my needed rest. Interesting stuff. I am on the path of the fool right now it seems. Old concepts are reevaluated, tossed out and the new is being formed at the core value level. I'm in a bit of a void space having stepped off the cliff.

A good day to all!