TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT: VISION OF A POSITIVE WORLD

[janosabel]

Also, differing views indicate unexplored information.

Or explored and then determined that the shortest route from A to B is a straight line.
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If necessary, you might review the forum guidelines to refresh your memory of what we do here, how we work on ourselves and how we help each other if you plan on being a helpful, active member of the community.

Thank you for this objective assessment in addition to a rather dismissive comment by another post.
I will certainly read more of the guidelines as I do intend to be a constructive member (here as well as several other virtual communities).
In fact, the closing sentence of the relevant post was consciously meant a "peace offering" to Laura, but that, too, was returned with a dismissal. Yet a very little word ("if" instead of "as") would have made all difference to the meaning.

PS I note the phrase "...how we work on ourselves..."

 

[seek10]

I have also made a serious study of Alice Bailey's work (remember the "New Group of World Servers"?). So I am reasonably versed in esoteric ideas, principles, practices.

I would suggest that Alice Bailey et al were a bunch of misguided wannabes.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

Alice Ann Bailey (June 16, 1880 – December 15, 1949) was a writer and theosophist in what she termed "Ageless Wisdom".

Her works, written between 1919 and 1949, describe a wide-ranging system of esoteric thought covering such topics as how spirituality relates to the solar system, meditation, healing, spiritual psychology, the destiny of nations, and prescriptions for society in general. She described the majority of her work as having been telepathically dictated to her by a Master of Wisdom, initially referred to only as "the Tibetan" or by the initials "D.K.", later identified as Djwhal Khul.

Her writings were of the same nature as those of Madame Blavatsky and are known as the Ageless Wisdom Teachings. Though Bailey's writings differ from the orthodox Theosophy of Madame Blavatsky, they have much in common with it.

jasonabel,
you may want want to read the section under theosophy in the book "30 years among the dead "
_http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnew-birth.net%2Fbooklet%2F30_years_among_the_dead.PDF&ei=JWWwUo2dLIXRkQet8YDIBA&usg=AFQjCNHHVZUV5p5vvHGuZTY3jS3nqhomCw&bvm=bv.57967247,d.eW0

 

[janosabel]

I have also made a serious study of Alice Bailey's work (remember the "New Group of World Servers"?). So I am reasonably versed in esoteric ideas, principles, practices.

I would suggest that Alice Bailey et al were a bunch of misguided wannabes.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

Alice Ann Bailey (June 16, 1880 – December 15, 1949) was a writer and theosophist in what she termed "Ageless Wisdom".

Her works, written between 1919 and 1949, describe a wide-ranging system of esoteric thought covering such topics as how spirituality relates to the solar system, meditation, healing, spiritual psychology, the destiny of nations, and prescriptions for society in general. She described the majority of her work as having been telepathically dictated to her by a Master of Wisdom, initially referred to only as "the Tibetan" or by the initials "D.K.", later identified as Djwhal Khul.

Her writings were of the same nature as those of Madame Blavatsky and are known as the Ageless Wisdom Teachings. Though Bailey's writings differ from the orthodox Theosophy of Madame Blavatsky, they have much in common with it.

jasonabel,
you may want want to read the section under theosophy in the book "30 years among the dead "
_http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnew-birth.net%2Fbooklet%2F30_years_among_the_dead.PDF&ei=JWWwUo2dLIXRkQet8YDIBA&usg=AFQjCNHHVZUV5p5vvHGuZTY3jS3nqhomCw&bvm=bv.57967247,d.eW0

Thank, seeker, for this post.
Is it not strange that a prominent contributor of this forum harbors such harsh judgement about a fellow investigator of esoteric lore?

 

[obyvatel]

Is it not strange that a prominent contributor of this forum harbors such harsh judgement about a fellow investigator of esoteric lore?

Hi Janosabel,
The judgement or evaluation is based on quite extensive research. It can seem "harsh", but the goal of the forum is to move towards higher degrees of objectivity. Calling out things as they appear based on analysis of available data is the norm here. So, no, it is not strange.

Please have a look at the forum guidelines to see if you agree to the basic philosophy and methods followed here.

 

[seek10]

Is it not strange that a prominent contributor of this forum harbors such harsh judgement about a fellow investigator of esoteric lore?

Don't we have any thing else except to harbor harshness ?. Yes, you came to this website trying to tell things many of the members experimented to burn themselves and pointed the things that you may want to read before making a conclusions. Does that become harshness?. You may want to read the suggested books to make a informed decision. You seems to have been rejected by it or you expected this website to be another "Huggy Huggy" new age website(which it is not) to validate your ideas. You can see this world what the mess this "new age" created.

It all depends on aim of your presence here. This forum has a purpose that has been pointed to you. You may want to explore all the topics of your interest in glossary link given below and in this forum.

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=22

In 4th Way discourse, this refers to emotions taking over the functions of thinking. The intellectual center may be taken over by emotions and can be used to construct arguments for defending some decision purely based on emotions. An example would be the fantastic rationalizations true believers have recourse to when defending clearly deceitful, even psychopathic actions of their leaders.

Such 'thinking' is not affected by arguments appealing to reason. The intellectual center is isolated from these by a sort of wall formed by the emotional investment in one's belief. In the event of a long standing practice this can form buffers. Emotional thinking is an example of the wrong work of centers.

 

[Laura]

Is it not strange that a prominent contributor of this forum harbors such harsh judgement about a fellow investigator of esoteric lore?

I apologize for being cranky. We get lots of people coming and launching their pet theories without having bothered to read our material where we patiently and persistently dig and test. We then spend a lot of time "dancing" back and forth, wasting each other's time, because the arrival is not interested in seeking or research, but rather has arrived at a signpost and taken it for the destination and has invested belief in the concept/idea/path/whatever. You can't discuss anything with a "believer".

 

[janosabel]

Laura, I understand what you said and thanks for explaining.
If anything, I err on the other side---I do change my "teachers" (not in a dippety sense, though). The Alice Baily phase was a long time ago when I took what I needed from it but still value what I learned there about discipleship.
I am reading here to familiarize myself as widely as my time allows. Also, I have just received The Secret History of the World and am looking forward to a long read :).

The fact is that there any number of "cosmologies" and a path of personal development to go with it; and each one has valuable influence on the seeker.

A next step here is to go back to the recommend books list an note the ones I have read (may need a refresher) and consider winch one I have not read I should pick as guide to a new adventure.

PS I will be away from here over the Christmas break.

 

[Old McDonald]

Strawman, An apology can only be accepted where something is done accidentally. When done purposely, it is done purposely and cannopt be retracted. Laura suggested taking time to think before posting. Unless you type at the speed of thought, then you do take time to think before posting. Bear that in mind next time.

I agree that economics is only one little piece of the jigsaw, but at times it is necessary to focus on that one little piece - and similarly with all the other little pieces at appropriate times, otherwise the jigasaw cannot be completed.

Zadius Sky, I believe I did not grow up in a pathological society. Rural Northumberland in the far North East of England was a very pleasant place to grow up at the time I did. I was indeed influenced by the society in which I grew up, and I am pleased to have very fond memories of that time. Lovely "countrified" people that I have tried to emulate as I have wandered the world producing food for other humans.

 

[Laura]

Strawman, An apology can only be accepted where something is done accidentally. When done purposely, it is done purposely and cannopt be retracted. Laura suggested taking time to think before posting. Unless you type at the speed of thought, then you do take time to think before posting. Bear that in mind next time.

Whoah there Nellie! There is no need to apologize when something is done accidentally though it is considered gracious to do so. It is even more gracious when an individual thinks they are right in one minute, and then cooler reason prevails and they acknowledge that they were not so right and have the cojones to admit it and apologize.

I don't know where you went to kindergarten, but you must have had a doozie of a teacher.

Zadius Sky, I believe I did not grow up in a pathological society. Rural Northumberland in the far North East of England was a very pleasant place to grow up at the time I did. I was indeed influenced by the society in which I grew up, and I am pleased to have very fond memories of that time. Lovely "countrified" people that I have tried to emulate as I have wandered the world producing food for other humans.

If you grew up on planet earth any time since the last Ice Age, you can bet that your society was, to one extent or another, ponerized.

I grew up in Florida, which was paradise, surrounded by lovely "countrified" people, too. They were sincere and believed in their principles and lived them. Only, as an adult did I realize that all of those ideals and principles were inculcated into the good and decent people around me - and myself - to make us better cannon fodder and slaves for the wealthy elite. We believed the lies they made up to keep us docile and doing the middle class thing and we didn't ask questions. If that's not ponerization, I don't know what is.

 

[Old McDonald]

Laura, I disagree about apologies. I never went to "kindergarten".

I also disagree about being ponerized.

That is my position and I am too old to be persuaded otherwise.

 

[Bobo08]

That is my position and I am too old to be persuaded otherwise.

With the position "I am too old to be persuaded", I wonder why you even bothered to join this forum in the first place?

 

[Chu]

That is my position and I am too old to be persuaded otherwise.

With the position "I am too old to be persuaded", I wonder why you even bothered to join this forum in the first place?

Well, I don't want to put words into OldMcDonald's mouth (or keyboard), but in his introduction he wrote:

I use the name Old McDonald in the very limited number of forums I frequent - and before moving to Portugal 10 years ago I created Hazza Farm out of a bare land site. It appealed to my sense of humour to call it that. I have very few interests and visit forums only from time to time, but always endeavour to respond to comments requiring a response.

I should be retired, coming up to my allotted three score years and ten, but I am sure I would atrophy very quickly if I did. I have farmed, sometimes full-time and sometimes part-time (when I needed extra income) all my life. I like to grow as much of my own food as possible. My main crop, I am still developing the place, is olives and I keep a small herd of goats too.

I found the forum whilst researching more information on comfrey and wished to add a comment on a comfrey thread, so joined. Comfrey is one of my passions in life - farming and gardening in general I suppose, as well as good food and drinkable wine.

So, perhaps he didn't really read the forum guidelines, or isn't very interested in this forum as a whole? Or doesn't really understand what we are talking about when "ponerization" is referred to (if he hasn't read Political Ponerology)? If any of this is true, OldMcDonald, you could perhaps try and read the guidelines now, familiarize yourself a bit more with the forum, and see if this is something for you or not. As you know, there are many forums out there. Some we like, some we don't. This one has a specific focus and some specific rules, that may or may not be in accordance to what you need or expect.

Yes, comfrey is discussed here, but that's just a tiny drop in all our discussions. If that's all you agree with us about, that's fine! But I'm afraid you might find the rest of the discussions not in line with your inclinations.