Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

2 Comments if you will , yeh Catherine A.F. has in the past made some questionable assertions , had me doubting her judgement when she supported Camacho Trumps first run into the big house (fwiiw), also , and it might be stating the obvious , but law ain't justice , not by a long shot , though more than likely, long term this can be used against whatever Trump does for now , but that would be the case regardless (imo), as an aside , some of the recent(ish) sources in the predictions and prophecies thread do seem to indicate that Musk is indeed some sort of compromise by the powers that don't want to be to steer Trump (administration) into what they want to do , ie. some sort of overt ai technocratic pathocracy,
 
iamthatis said:
Maybe Catherine Austin-Fitts is right, maybe not. She has an informed opinion, but IIRC she hasn't been close to the actual levers of power in years. Things may have changed drastically. So while her warning is good, her claims are a bit over the top in my eyes. Is Trump really 'shredding the Constitution?'

The question for me is this - should the law be upheld, even if it protects entrenched pathocrats? That's the central existential question asked during all revolutionary periods. Even Thomas Hobbes, known as the original theorist of modern authoritarianism allowed for popular revolt of the masses in cases of entrenched elite corruption.

Bypassing the law in the interests of normality does seem like a contradiction. It could definitely lead to a slippery slope. But life is full of contradictions. There is right, and wrong, and the specific situation. If Trump and team followed the law to the letter, as CAF suggests, their political blitzkrieg may have been rendered ineffective. That's my sense at least.

What did Paul say about the law? It is a child-minder. There are those without the law, who live a purely Flesh-based existence. There are those with the law, whose baser instincts are kept at bay by adherence to it. Then there are those who have Seen, and are above the law - even while abiding by it - and live a life of the Spirit. I don't think Trump and team are acting according to the Pauline ideal, but there is evidence of higher inspiration in many of his actions against the pathocrats, who wield the law itself as a lever of their power.
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Indeed. People treat the law as some kind of religion, and while it is useful and even necessary to keep order, at the end of the day people can interpret it, distort it, weaponize it etc. almost any way they want. So the real question always was: sure, Trump and gang will try the legal route first, but what if it turns out it can't be done? Will they submit and say, ok then, we had a nice try? Or will Trump go Cesar/Napoleon and say screw it, we'll do it anyway? There is obviously a middle ground too, which we already see: stretching or even breaking "established practices" (i.e. deep state rules), strong-arming their opponents and the like. Any full-Cesar mode will be problematic in the US however, since its entire identity is based on law, i.e. the constitution, as opposed to an ethnic and cultural group stretching far back in time (although some of Vance's rhetoric suggests a bit of a shift away from pure constitutionalism to a more blood and soil conception of the nation). Sure will be interesting to observe how all of this will play out.
 
luc said:
Indeed. People treat the law as some kind of religion, and while it is useful and even necessary to keep order, at the end of the day people can interpret it, distort it, weaponize it etc. almost any way they want. So the real question always was: sure, Trump and gang will try the legal route first, but what if it turns out it can't be done? Will they submit and say, ok then, we had a nice try? Or will Trump go Cesar/Napoleon and say screw it, we'll do it anyway? There is obviously a middle ground too, which we already see: stretching or even breaking "established practices" (i.e. deep state rules), strong-arming their opponents and the like. Any full-Cesar mode will be problematic in the US however, since its entire identity is based on law, i.e. the constitution, as opposed to an ethnic and cultural group stretching far back in time (although some of Vance's rhetoric suggests a bit of a shift away from pure constitutionalism to a more blood and soil conception of the nation). Sure will be interesting to observe how all of this will play out.
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UNJUSTIFIED pardons are NOT VALID PARDONS...
 
One thing to note is Trump physically can't be the one to see through the transformation of America into something positive (if this is possible). Time is not on his side - first of all, he's only restricted to 4 more years, and second, his age will catch up soon enough (he's 78 years old, turning 79 in June). Putin for example needed many many years to see Russia transformed from the mess it was in the 90s.

America will need another great and younger leader other than Trump if it were ever to transform itself.
 
Cosmos said:
Her plan seems to be to stop those departments/agencies from doing illegal things and thereby eliminating the urge of whistleblowers to come forward in the first place, because well, if those agencies don’t engage in those kind of illegal behaviors, whistleblowers can’t whistleblow on anything!
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The problem currently as seen with the Vindman brothers, is that there is a well curated playbook that uses so-called whistleblower legal exemptions to fast track a narrative into the media or to add fabricated BS to a faltering narrative, which basically destroyed the credibility of all whistle blowers to the majority of "the people". But perhaps that extra scrutiny is needed even more.

I think if we look back on the Snowden whistleblowing period/playbook you see how today's target list of organizations, agencies, NGO's was developed back then, and 'leaked' to Wikileaks. The depravity that currently the world is coming to see more objectively by the exposure of these agencies & NGO's, probably would have hit have hit more headwinds otherwise.
 
SOTTREADER said:
I'm from the UK indeed. The other assertions are incorrect "blink" impressions based on what I wrote. What I wrote is what Trump basically said himself:

www.ndtv.com

Trump Calls For Canada To Become "51st State" Again

President Donald Trump on Sunday called again for Canada to become a US state, heightening tensions further with one of his country's closest allies after hitting it with heavy tariffs.
www.ndtv.com www.ndtv.com
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Yes it is true that Canada sells more to the USA than it buys. But what does it sell, many resources, among them supplying 60% of the oil for the USA. If you disregard that 60%, the trade balance is reversed and Canada imports more from the USA than it sells.
 
hlat said:
What is your source?
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The article I cited. Here the link again:
Trump firings cause chaos at agency responsible for America’s nuclear weapons : NPR
On Friday, an employee still at NNSA told NPR that the firings are now "paused," in part because of the chaotic way in which they unfolded. Another employee had been contacted and told that their termination had been "rescinded." But some worried the damage had already been done. Nuclear security is highly specialized, high-pressure work, but it's not particularly well paid, one employee told NPR. Given what's unfolded over the past 24 hours, "why would anybody want to take these jobs?" they asked.
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You can just ask a search engine, there's a lot of other MSM sources of course:
“Congress is freaking out because it appears DOE didn’t really realize NNSA oversees the nuclear stockpile,” one source said. “The nuclear deterrent is the backbone of American security and stability – period. For there to be any even very small holes poked even in the maintenance of that deterrent should be extremely frightening to people.”
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ABC News is reporting that hundreds of employees at the 1,800-person National Nuclear Security Administration were fired on Thursday. Many of them described the situation as a “national security crisis.”
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newrepublic.com

Trump’s Purge Hits Nuclear Weapons Agency—Setting Off National Crisis

The Trump administration fired hundreds of employees at perhaps the one agency where stability is needed most.
newrepublic.com newrepublic.com
 
Beau said:
Dunno why this is making people angst. This is how it's supposed to work. Do everything fast, break some things, fix the mistakes, keep going. This isn't going to cause a nuclear explosion.
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Perhaps but some leaks. Foreign powers taking the opportunity of the angst. I really don't see advantage of the method "break some things, fix the mistakes" in a such sensible domain. I think, for this particular field, breaking things recklessly can cost you infinitely more than the savings you can expect.
 
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